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00:00:01 --> 00:00:02 Welcome, welcome, welcome to the
00:00:02 --> 00:00:04 birthing room. Welcome back everybody to
00:00:04 --> 00:00:07 the birthing room. This is episode
00:00:07 --> 00:00:10 number 20. For those that cannot see us,
00:00:10 --> 00:00:12 we thank you all for checking in and
00:00:12 --> 00:00:15 coming in today. I have a very special
00:00:15 --> 00:00:17 guest and a dear friend of mine. I like
00:00:17 --> 00:00:21 to call him my friend. Uh Dr. Morton. He
00:00:21 --> 00:00:22 is so awesome. We're going to get right
00:00:22 --> 00:00:24 into some good conversation today and we
00:00:24 --> 00:00:25 gonna have a lot of fun, y'all, cuz he's
00:00:25 --> 00:00:28 funny. So, I want you all to grab your
00:00:28 --> 00:00:31 cup of coffee, your cup of tea, grab the
00:00:31 --> 00:00:32 men in your house and just have them
00:00:32 --> 00:00:34 come sit down so we can gather around.
00:00:34 --> 00:00:35 This is going to be some good
00:00:35 --> 00:00:38 conversation for our men. Okay? I know
00:00:38 --> 00:00:39 you guys have been watching the last
00:00:39 --> 00:00:41 couple of podcast and I've been bringing
00:00:41 --> 00:00:42 some men on because men are birthing
00:00:42 --> 00:00:45 things also. So, I wanted to give a
00:00:45 --> 00:00:48 shout out to my network. So, thank you
00:00:48 --> 00:00:50 for tuning in today to the birthing
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00:01:01 --> 00:01:04 sure to subscribe and never miss an
00:01:04 --> 00:01:06 episode. And I want you all again to
00:01:06 --> 00:01:09 share. For those that might be watching
00:01:09 --> 00:01:11 on Facebook or watching on uh YouTube,
00:01:11 --> 00:01:13 go ahead and share. And while you are
00:01:13 --> 00:01:14 doing that, I'm going go ahead and put
00:01:14 --> 00:01:21 y'all in the water.
00:01:22 --> 00:01:24 Okay, we are back. You like the water? I
00:01:24 --> 00:01:27 do. Yeah. Yeah. You can't birth without
00:01:27 --> 00:01:28 water. You need the water. You got to
00:01:28 --> 00:01:31 birth through the water. Amen. My um my
00:01:31 --> 00:01:33 niece had she gave birth in like the
00:01:34 --> 00:01:37 little pool with the water. Okay. So, go
00:01:37 --> 00:01:38 ahead. Did you were you able to share
00:01:38 --> 00:01:39 it? I'm going to give you all some time
00:01:39 --> 00:01:43 to share on your Facebook pages.
00:01:43 --> 00:01:45 Um, go ahead and share with your
00:01:45 --> 00:01:47 friends, your family, your church
00:01:47 --> 00:01:49 members, your enemies. Share with
00:01:49 --> 00:01:50 everybody today because it's going to be
00:01:50 --> 00:01:53 a good time. All right. So, without
00:01:53 --> 00:01:55 delay, I want to go ahead and just
00:01:55 --> 00:01:57 introduce my friend. Let me tell y'all
00:01:57 --> 00:01:58 how we met. I can't remember how we
00:01:58 --> 00:02:01 really met, but I know that I have
00:02:01 --> 00:02:03 always admired you. You know, remember
00:02:03 --> 00:02:04 when you had a church over on
00:02:04 --> 00:02:07 Philadelphia Pike? Absolutely. I used to
00:02:07 --> 00:02:12 come there. You probably Yes. I was that
00:02:12 --> 00:02:14 that was my secret I was telling you. So
00:02:14 --> 00:02:16 before I met you, I would come to your
00:02:16 --> 00:02:18 services over there. You go in that
00:02:18 --> 00:02:20 building like kind of up the stairs like
00:02:20 --> 00:02:22 behind the um where you can rent the
00:02:22 --> 00:02:24 cars at like right in that little
00:02:24 --> 00:02:27 building. Yes. So and you were such a
00:02:27 --> 00:02:29 powerful teacher.
00:02:29 --> 00:02:31 Oh, thank you. like the way you just
00:02:31 --> 00:02:33 broke down the word of God and the way
00:02:33 --> 00:02:36 you just had a way of explaining it for
00:02:36 --> 00:02:39 everybody that now that I'm a preacher I
00:02:39 --> 00:02:41 hope to be that at that level of
00:02:41 --> 00:02:44 preaching that when I give the word it
00:02:44 --> 00:02:47 just gives revelation. Um another pastor
00:02:47 --> 00:02:50 apostle I heard say that if you make the
00:02:50 --> 00:02:53 word plain got to add the depth or
00:02:53 --> 00:02:54 something like that to it. Absolutely.
00:02:54 --> 00:02:56 Um but that's that's what I you it was
00:02:56 --> 00:02:58 always so and but you you know you were
00:02:58 --> 00:03:01 you a deep thinker too a deep diver so I
00:03:01 --> 00:03:04 used to come and um sit in service and I
00:03:04 --> 00:03:07 had about knew that yes so that was my
00:03:07 --> 00:03:09 surprise so as we jump into this
00:03:09 --> 00:03:11 conversation um so yes so I asked you to
00:03:12 --> 00:03:14 come on to the show today I know you
00:03:14 --> 00:03:15 have so much to offer so much to give
00:03:15 --> 00:03:18 this is the birthing room and I know you
00:03:18 --> 00:03:20 have birthed out a ministry a couple of
00:03:20 --> 00:03:24 years ago I remember the remman ministry
00:03:24 --> 00:03:27 Is that am I saying it right? The Reand
00:03:27 --> 00:03:29 Project. Reand Project. Okay. So, I'm
00:03:29 --> 00:03:30 going to go ahead and throw you the ball
00:03:30 --> 00:03:31 and you can introduce yourself and just
00:03:31 --> 00:03:34 tell us all about your uh your
00:03:34 --> 00:03:37 rebirththing. Yeah. So, um thank you for
00:03:37 --> 00:03:40 having me. Um thank you for coming. I'm
00:03:40 --> 00:03:43 really honored. Um you know, my mom
00:03:43 --> 00:03:46 taught me that nobody has to be kind to
00:03:46 --> 00:03:51 you. And um she drilled that in my
00:03:51 --> 00:03:55 sister and I. And so anytime anyone
00:03:55 --> 00:03:59 Yeah. Yeah. I have a sister. She lives
00:03:59 --> 00:04:01 she's older than me. She's seven years
00:04:01 --> 00:04:04 older than me. Uh so
00:04:04 --> 00:04:07 um my sister held my
00:04:07 --> 00:04:10 hand walking across the street till I
00:04:10 --> 00:04:14 was 12. She's very veryive
00:04:14 --> 00:04:16 of me. Shout out to her. Her name is
00:04:16 --> 00:04:18 Jackie. Um
00:04:18 --> 00:04:22 so so here's the deal.
00:04:22 --> 00:04:25 As you know, um, I retired from
00:04:26 --> 00:04:29 pastoring in 2019, right? From that
00:04:29 --> 00:04:32 version at least of pastoring in 2019.
00:04:32 --> 00:04:35 And from the pull pit in the church
00:04:35 --> 00:04:37 pastoring from the pull pit in the
00:04:37 --> 00:04:40 church pastoring, right? Okay.
00:04:40 --> 00:04:41 Um,
00:04:41 --> 00:04:44 and I did
00:04:44 --> 00:04:47 so because there was this Lena, there
00:04:47 --> 00:04:48 was
00:04:48 --> 00:04:53 this gnawing thing happening in my heart
00:04:53 --> 00:04:57 for guys. In fact, yeah, what the church
00:04:57 --> 00:05:00 that I uh stopped pastoring was
00:05:00 --> 00:05:01 Transform Church, a church that I
00:05:02 --> 00:05:03 planted.
00:05:03 --> 00:05:06 And when I stopped pastoring,
00:05:06 --> 00:05:11 51% of my church were men. Oh wow. So
00:05:11 --> 00:05:12 with you and I before we went live,
00:05:12 --> 00:05:14 we're talking about the numbers, right?
00:05:14 --> 00:05:17 The numbers are 85 to 90% of the black
00:05:18 --> 00:05:21 church are now women. Yes. Uh which
00:05:21 --> 00:05:25 means now only 10 to 15% are men in the
00:05:25 --> 00:05:30 church. Yes. So to have 51% the majority
00:05:30 --> 00:05:33 of my church were men and I was really
00:05:33 --> 00:05:35 intentional about
00:05:35 --> 00:05:38 uh serving men and holding space for
00:05:38 --> 00:05:41 brothers. In fact uh at transformed
00:05:41 --> 00:05:44 church I really didn't spend a whole lot
00:05:44 --> 00:05:46 of time. It's going to sound strange to
00:05:46 --> 00:05:47 your audience, right? But I didn't spend
00:05:48 --> 00:05:49 a whole lot of
00:05:49 --> 00:05:54 time preaching to and pastoring women.
00:05:54 --> 00:05:56 I pastored
00:05:56 --> 00:05:59 men with the trust that they would
00:05:59 --> 00:06:03 pastor their own homes. That's good. I
00:06:03 --> 00:06:05 wasn't responsible for pastoring their
00:06:05 --> 00:06:07 homes. And there are a lot of
00:06:07 --> 00:06:10 men that aren't in church, and I'm sure
00:06:10 --> 00:06:11 we'll get into this a bit. There are a
00:06:12 --> 00:06:14 lot of men that aren't in church, Lena,
00:06:14 --> 00:06:17 because the pastor is pastoring their
00:06:17 --> 00:06:19 home, so they feel unnecessary.
00:06:19 --> 00:06:24 Yeah. Right. So, so I stopped pastoring,
00:06:24 --> 00:06:28 retired at 50 years old. Uh, remand is
00:06:28 --> 00:06:31 now coming up on its sixth year.
00:06:32 --> 00:06:35 Um, and I am absolutely sold out to
00:06:35 --> 00:06:37 making sure brothers are straight, that
00:06:37 --> 00:06:40 brothers can
00:06:40 --> 00:06:42 uh dominate business,
00:06:42 --> 00:06:45 that brothers can thrive in marriage,
00:06:46 --> 00:06:47 and that brothers can do all of that
00:06:47 --> 00:06:49 without losing themselves in the
00:06:49 --> 00:06:52 process. Because what we are discovering
00:06:52 --> 00:06:54 is that there are so many
00:06:54 --> 00:06:57 men who will lay down their lives for
00:06:57 --> 00:06:59 their families. Make sure that their
00:06:59 --> 00:07:01 families are good. Make sure wife is
00:07:01 --> 00:07:04 good. Make sure the kids are good. And
00:07:04 --> 00:07:07 they're doing it at the detriment of
00:07:07 --> 00:07:10 their own lives. Yes. Right. So, what I
00:07:10 --> 00:07:13 wanted to do is develop a space. Let's
00:07:13 --> 00:07:16 think about what history has taught us
00:07:16 --> 00:07:17 because I get questions all the time
00:07:17 --> 00:07:20 from women. Even my wife said, uh, when
00:07:20 --> 00:07:22 I first met her, uh, can can you let me
00:07:22 --> 00:07:26 in the community? No, babe, you can't.
00:07:26 --> 00:07:29 She's like, why? I said, because what
00:07:29 --> 00:07:32 normally happens is when we develop
00:07:32 --> 00:07:34 spaces that are uniquely designed for
00:07:34 --> 00:07:37 men, women that space if you let her.
00:07:37 --> 00:07:39 Yeah. You guys are so brilliant, so
00:07:39 --> 00:07:42 powerful that when you're led in a space
00:07:42 --> 00:07:44 like that, after a while, you'll run the
00:07:44 --> 00:07:47 space, right? Take over the takeover
00:07:47 --> 00:07:50 spirit. You take over spirit, right? So,
00:07:50 --> 00:07:53 think about think about this that many
00:07:53 --> 00:07:54 people don't think
00:07:54 --> 00:07:57 about. Think about the Boy Scouts of
00:07:57 --> 00:08:00 America. The Boy Scouts of America was
00:08:00 --> 00:08:03 designed specifically to serve young
00:08:03 --> 00:08:06 boys.
00:08:06 --> 00:08:08 Now, the Boy Scouts of America are open
00:08:08 --> 00:08:10 to everybody. You can be a girl, you can
00:08:10 --> 00:08:13 be a boy, it doesn't matter, right? Uh
00:08:13 --> 00:08:15 you can you can join the Boy Scouts of
00:08:15 --> 00:08:18 America. Even though there's the Girl
00:08:18 --> 00:08:21 Scouts, they created laws that made it
00:08:21 --> 00:08:25 illegal for a Boy Scouts of America to
00:08:25 --> 00:08:27 to keep girls out even though girls have
00:08:27 --> 00:08:30 their own space. Oh wow.
00:08:30 --> 00:08:31 Even if we don't think about the Boy
00:08:31 --> 00:08:34 Scouts of America, think about the YMCA.
00:08:34 --> 00:08:36 The YMCA was designed for the Young
00:08:36 --> 00:08:39 Men's Christian
00:08:39 --> 00:08:41 Association. What happened? Is that what
00:08:41 --> 00:08:45 that says? Yes. My it was today's date
00:08:45 --> 00:08:48 that I knew that. Yes. Young Men's
00:08:48 --> 00:08:51 Christian Association. So what happens?
00:08:51 --> 00:08:53 Women say, "I want to be a part of
00:08:53 --> 00:08:55 that." And now the
00:08:55 --> 00:08:59 YMCA is now for women too. Even though
00:08:59 --> 00:09:02 there is a YWCA that is specifically for
00:09:02 --> 00:09:06 women. I knew you. So whenever you let
00:09:06 --> 00:09:09 women into a space, they will take over
00:09:09 --> 00:09:14 that space. We have a uniquely masculine
00:09:14 --> 00:09:17 space that is designed for men to be
00:09:17 --> 00:09:21 men. No women allowed. and I will shut
00:09:21 --> 00:09:24 it down before anybody makes me make it
00:09:24 --> 00:09:27 available to anybody else because
00:09:27 --> 00:09:29 brothers don't have space. We don't have
00:09:29 --> 00:09:31 there are things out there for you as
00:09:31 --> 00:09:32 women. There are things out there for
00:09:32 --> 00:09:36 children, but there's no space for men.
00:09:36 --> 00:09:40 And I'm called by God to make sure that
00:09:40 --> 00:09:43 men have a space that we can hold for
00:09:43 --> 00:09:45 them where they can grow, they can
00:09:45 --> 00:09:46 develop, they can be the best possible
00:09:46 --> 00:09:49 husbands and fathers and business owners
00:09:49 --> 00:09:51 uh that this world allows because here's
00:09:51 --> 00:09:54 the truth and many people might not like
00:09:54 --> 00:09:56 to hear it but here's the truth. The
00:09:56 --> 00:09:59 foundation of civilization is built on
00:09:59 --> 00:10:01 the backs of men.
00:10:01 --> 00:10:04 If there was not a significant
00:10:04 --> 00:10:07 contribution from brothers, we wouldn't
00:10:07 --> 00:10:09 have all that we have. That's the
00:10:09 --> 00:10:13 history. So, so now we have equality and
00:10:13 --> 00:10:16 we should, right? We have equality with
00:10:16 --> 00:10:19 sisters in the pullpit and we should. We
00:10:19 --> 00:10:21 have equality with sisters in the
00:10:21 --> 00:10:23 seauite and we should we have equality
00:10:23 --> 00:10:25 with sisters in education. And here's
00:10:25 --> 00:10:28 what we know. The sisters are doing the
00:10:28 --> 00:10:30 dag on thing. Y'all in the seauite now.
00:10:30 --> 00:10:33 y'all preaching down walls. There's
00:10:33 --> 00:10:35 nothing y'all can't do. But here's what
00:10:35 --> 00:10:37 we've also learned. That even with the
00:10:37 --> 00:10:40 most brilliant sisters, if we don't find
00:10:40 --> 00:10:44 a way to really address the needs of
00:10:44 --> 00:10:48 men, the social needle does not
00:10:48 --> 00:10:50 move. Nothing changes. We still got
00:10:51 --> 00:10:54 crime. We still got right uh lower
00:10:54 --> 00:10:56 wages. We got all of that. Simply
00:10:56 --> 00:10:59 because men have not stepped up and into
00:10:59 --> 00:11:02 the space that God has created for them.
00:11:02 --> 00:11:03 That's just the way that God has
00:11:03 --> 00:11:06 designed it. Doesn't mean that women are
00:11:06 --> 00:11:09 less valuable. Men are not more
00:11:09 --> 00:11:11 superior. We just have a different
00:11:11 --> 00:11:14 assignment. And our assignment is a very
00:11:14 --> 00:11:16 necessary one.
00:11:16 --> 00:11:19 I agree actually with you know if I
00:11:19 --> 00:11:22 wasn't married I probably wouldn't
00:11:22 --> 00:11:23 understand what you're saying and I
00:11:23 --> 00:11:25 wouldn't agree but we were just talking
00:11:25 --> 00:11:27 about that marriage will mature you and
00:11:27 --> 00:11:29 I didn't understand how valuable a man
00:11:29 --> 00:11:31 was so I was able to actually be a
00:11:31 --> 00:11:35 woman. Wow. Yes. I listen to your
00:11:35 --> 00:11:37 podcast. But you got to say that again
00:11:37 --> 00:11:40 cuz that's I I was
00:11:40 --> 00:11:43 not aware of how important men were
00:11:43 --> 00:11:47 until I was able to be a woman because I
00:11:47 --> 00:11:49 had to be a man. I had to be hard. I had
00:11:49 --> 00:11:51 to be strong. You know, we are raised to
00:11:51 --> 00:11:54 be strong black women, you know. Um uh
00:11:54 --> 00:11:56 other other races are not. They're
00:11:56 --> 00:11:59 raised to be wives. Yes. You know, so
00:11:59 --> 00:12:01 their men may seem a little stronger,
00:12:01 --> 00:12:03 but we were raised to be strong black
00:12:03 --> 00:12:06 women. So, um, we dominate. Yes. But
00:12:06 --> 00:12:09 when I had a real man and I got married
00:12:09 --> 00:12:14 to a man, then I understood how
00:12:14 --> 00:12:17 important it was for me to be a woman
00:12:17 --> 00:12:20 cuz he needed a woman to make this work.
00:12:20 --> 00:12:21 You know, you know, because we do
00:12:21 --> 00:12:22 dominate the space. We were just talking
00:12:22 --> 00:12:24 about that. We dominate the space. But
00:12:24 --> 00:12:26 whatever he gives me, I can multiply it.
00:12:26 --> 00:12:29 Yes. But I need him to give it. Yes.
00:12:29 --> 00:12:30 Because if he don't give it, I can't
00:12:30 --> 00:12:34 multiply it. Yes. you know, and I didn't
00:12:34 --> 00:12:36 understand
00:12:36 --> 00:12:39 how much I could accomplish
00:12:39 --> 00:12:41 and how great I could be until I was
00:12:41 --> 00:12:43 able to actually be a woman. So, having
00:12:44 --> 00:12:47 a space to be a woman, to be soft,
00:12:47 --> 00:12:49 that's so, you know, having a space to
00:12:49 --> 00:12:51 be a woman and not have to worry about
00:12:51 --> 00:12:54 uh uh we call we call well, I do I call
00:12:54 --> 00:12:57 it blue and pink chores.
00:12:57 --> 00:12:59 I have to worry about the blue chores.
00:12:59 --> 00:13:00 Yes. have to worry about the blue
00:13:00 --> 00:13:03 chores. You know, the pink chores become
00:13:03 --> 00:13:07 fun and it may be more. I I may rise a
00:13:07 --> 00:13:08 little earlier, go to bed a little
00:13:08 --> 00:13:10 later, but them blue chores is what
00:13:10 --> 00:13:13 really drives this this this uh
00:13:13 --> 00:13:15 relationship, you know, between a man
00:13:15 --> 00:13:18 and a woman. So, um I can sit here
00:13:18 --> 00:13:20 humbly and say I get what you're saying.
00:13:20 --> 00:13:22 And it's important for the men to have a
00:13:22 --> 00:13:25 space and to have a a place that they
00:13:25 --> 00:13:27 can
00:13:27 --> 00:13:32 come together and be vulnerable.
00:13:32 --> 00:13:34 Yeah. Uh cuz you can't be I don't care
00:13:34 --> 00:13:36 what women say. We want our men to be
00:13:36 --> 00:13:38 vulnerable. They can't. You really can't
00:13:38 --> 00:13:40 be vulnerable here. Yeah. You can't. No.
00:13:40 --> 00:13:42 Because you gota go work. Let me push a
00:13:42 --> 00:13:44 bit though, Lena. So So this is what we
00:13:44 --> 00:13:50 teach guys, right? Here's the truth.
00:13:50 --> 00:13:52 I use it because it's known language,
00:13:52 --> 00:13:56 but I hate the term safe space. Safe
00:13:56 --> 00:13:59 space. Yes. I hate that term. I don't
00:13:59 --> 00:14:01 like it either
00:14:01 --> 00:14:05 because my safety then relies on you.
00:14:05 --> 00:14:07 Yes. And what you will do with the
00:14:07 --> 00:14:08 information that I share once you
00:14:08 --> 00:14:13 release it, right? So I can't
00:14:13 --> 00:14:18 control whether my wife will weaponize
00:14:18 --> 00:14:20 what I share. I can't control what
00:14:20 --> 00:14:22 another brother's going to say about
00:14:22 --> 00:14:23 what I share, what a sister is going to
00:14:23 --> 00:14:25 say about what I share. I can't control
00:14:25 --> 00:14:28 it. What I can control is being man
00:14:28 --> 00:14:32 enough and courageous enough to be
00:14:32 --> 00:14:34 transparent knowing that you may
00:14:34 --> 00:14:37 weaponize what I share. That's good.
00:14:37 --> 00:14:40 Right. So, so, so it's important for a
00:14:40 --> 00:14:43 brother, you telling me that a
00:14:43 --> 00:14:46 brother who your husband would not allow
00:14:46 --> 00:14:48 anyone to break in your home without him
00:14:48 --> 00:14:51 doing some some harm. Like somebody you
00:14:51 --> 00:14:53 you could break in, but you gonna be
00:14:53 --> 00:14:55 carried out, right? Your your husband
00:14:55 --> 00:14:57 will handle that, right? I'm married I'm
00:14:57 --> 00:14:59 married to a cop. Oh, you married to a
00:14:59 --> 00:15:02 cop? Yes. So, they gonna
00:15:02 --> 00:15:05 die. Whoever Whoever Whoever breaks in
00:15:05 --> 00:15:09 gonna die. So what's amazing is we've
00:15:10 --> 00:15:11 trained
00:15:11 --> 00:15:16 men to be courageous in everything other
00:15:16 --> 00:15:19 than communication.
00:15:19 --> 00:15:23 Other than communication. So
00:15:23 --> 00:15:27 because because we've conditioned men to
00:15:27 --> 00:15:31 think that there's something wrong if
00:15:32 --> 00:15:34 somebody says something about what I
00:15:34 --> 00:15:37 just said. Like I when you're free, I'm
00:15:37 --> 00:15:39 free. Yeah. Don't matter to me what
00:15:39 --> 00:15:41 anybody says about me anymore. I haven't
00:15:41 --> 00:15:44 always been at that space. But having
00:15:44 --> 00:15:46 done the work, it doesn't matter to me
00:15:46 --> 00:15:49 what anybody says about what I say about
00:15:49 --> 00:15:51 how I move. Like none of that matters to
00:15:52 --> 00:15:54 me. I
00:15:54 --> 00:15:58 perform an audience of one. As long as
00:15:58 --> 00:16:01 God is good with me, I'm good. Right?
00:16:01 --> 00:16:05 So, so when men have been trained, when
00:16:05 --> 00:16:06 we've been told over and over again,
00:16:06 --> 00:16:09 we're the strong, silent type. Men don't
00:16:09 --> 00:16:11 talk, men don't communicate. When you
00:16:11 --> 00:16:13 hear that narrative over and over again,
00:16:13 --> 00:16:16 we settle into that. We believe that.
00:16:16 --> 00:16:19 And men do talk. You ever seen a group
00:16:19 --> 00:16:23 of men at a game? Yes. We talk. Yes. We
00:16:23 --> 00:16:25 just don't talk to all. I'm even pushing
00:16:25 --> 00:16:27 a little deeper because you're right.
00:16:27 --> 00:16:29 Y'all don't talk to us. Men men raised
00:16:29 --> 00:16:33 by men are different. Yes, my son was
00:16:33 --> 00:16:35 raised with a man, you know, he had a
00:16:35 --> 00:16:38 strong father. So, his communication is
00:16:38 --> 00:16:40 different. Yes. His vulnerability is
00:16:40 --> 00:16:42 different. We we can use that word, you
00:16:42 --> 00:16:44 know, when it comes to women, when it
00:16:44 --> 00:16:47 comes to uh uh communicating with a with
00:16:47 --> 00:16:50 a with a with a woman or with a man, you
00:16:50 --> 00:16:52 know, he's very sure of himself. Yes.
00:16:52 --> 00:16:54 He's so sure of himself that he don't
00:16:54 --> 00:16:56 care what he says because he knows who
00:16:56 --> 00:16:58 he is. It's okay to hug another man
00:16:58 --> 00:17:00 because he's sure for himself because
00:17:00 --> 00:17:01 he's been hugged and handled by another
00:17:01 --> 00:17:04 man. My husband, we're a blended family
00:17:04 --> 00:17:07 and he's, you know, he's raised his boys
00:17:07 --> 00:17:08 and I can see the difference because
00:17:08 --> 00:17:11 these boys was raised by a man. Yes. You
00:17:11 --> 00:17:14 know, they're they're very confident.
00:17:14 --> 00:17:16 Yes. They're good with their finances.
00:17:16 --> 00:17:18 They don't mind hugging and kissing, you
00:17:18 --> 00:17:20 know. They don't mind giving hugs and
00:17:20 --> 00:17:22 kissing. They don't mind coming in and
00:17:22 --> 00:17:24 having a conversation with their dad. My
00:17:24 --> 00:17:26 computer cut off. um with their father
00:17:26 --> 00:17:28 and you know that might make my husband
00:17:28 --> 00:17:32 uncomfortable sometimes but it's uh it's
00:17:32 --> 00:17:33 because they were raised by a man and
00:17:34 --> 00:17:36 they've been touched by a man not just
00:17:37 --> 00:17:40 physically but emotionally. Yes. And I
00:17:40 --> 00:17:42 think that that also plays a part. So
00:17:42 --> 00:17:43 how do you feel about that? Were you
00:17:43 --> 00:17:45 raised by your father? I was not. I was
00:17:45 --> 00:17:48 raised by my mom. So let me let me just
00:17:48 --> 00:17:50 kind of tell this quick story. Lena, but
00:17:50 --> 00:17:52 people have heard it before, but perhaps
00:17:52 --> 00:17:55 you're not not your audience.
00:17:56 --> 00:17:59 My father left me three times.
00:17:59 --> 00:18:03 Okay. Right. My father and my mom were
00:18:03 --> 00:18:06 married for the first
00:18:06 --> 00:18:09 uh eight, nine years of my life. But my
00:18:09 --> 00:18:12 father was very, very quiet.
00:18:12 --> 00:18:15 Uh, I could always find him in front of
00:18:15 --> 00:18:16 the
00:18:16 --> 00:18:19 television, right, watching
00:18:19 --> 00:18:20 football.
00:18:20 --> 00:18:23 Um, but he wasn't connected to me
00:18:23 --> 00:18:26 emotionally. He didn't know how. Good
00:18:26 --> 00:18:29 dude. Just didn't know how. So, he left
00:18:29 --> 00:18:30 me
00:18:30 --> 00:18:34 emotionally. My mom and dad used to
00:18:34 --> 00:18:35 fight every
00:18:35 --> 00:18:37 weekend. Not not some weekends. Every
00:18:38 --> 00:18:39 weekend. Your mom was a strong woman. I
00:18:39 --> 00:18:42 know. was my mom was a strong woman and
00:18:42 --> 00:18:46 at that time my mom drank a lot. My dad
00:18:46 --> 00:18:48 drank a lot as well. So they would get
00:18:48 --> 00:18:53 drunk, they fight, right? And my mom my
00:18:53 --> 00:18:56 dad wouldn't hit her. So my mom beat she
00:18:56 --> 00:18:59 beat my dad. Knock him knock him around.
00:18:59 --> 00:19:02 Um so he decided they decided they were
00:19:02 --> 00:19:04 going to break up. He moved to a place
00:19:04 --> 00:19:07 called Long Beach, California. Oh. And
00:19:07 --> 00:19:11 when he moved to Long Beach, he left me
00:19:11 --> 00:19:12 geographically.
00:19:12 --> 00:19:15 Okay. Right. You can't think about it,
00:19:15 --> 00:19:17 Lena. You can't get any further from
00:19:17 --> 00:19:19 Delaware to California. East coast to
00:19:20 --> 00:19:21 west coast. East coast to west coast.
00:19:21 --> 00:19:24 You can't opposite. Right. So you So
00:19:24 --> 00:19:26 that's the second time that he left me.
00:19:26 --> 00:19:27 He left me emotionally and then he left
00:19:27 --> 00:19:29 me
00:19:29 --> 00:19:31 geographically. And then my mom says to
00:19:31 --> 00:19:34 me one day, "The dad and I getting back
00:19:34 --> 00:19:37 together. I'm a little boy, so I'm I'm
00:19:37 --> 00:19:40 so freaking
00:19:40 --> 00:19:43 happy. And I come home from school one
00:19:43 --> 00:19:47 day and my mom had this somber look and
00:19:47 --> 00:19:50 she said, "Son, I need to talk to you."
00:19:50 --> 00:19:52 I said, "Yes, ma'am." I said, "We were
00:19:52 --> 00:19:53 supposed to go to the movies." I
00:19:53 --> 00:19:55 remember like it was yesterday. We were
00:19:55 --> 00:19:56 supposed to go to the movies. My mom
00:19:56 --> 00:19:58 always kept her word. She never didn't
00:19:58 --> 00:20:00 keep her word, right? So, I said, "What?
00:20:00 --> 00:20:03 We not going to the movies?"
00:20:03 --> 00:20:04 And she said, "No, we're not going to
00:20:04 --> 00:20:07 the movies." I said, "Why? What?" And
00:20:07 --> 00:20:13 she said, "Your dad died."
00:20:13 --> 00:20:16 So Lorena, literally a week before he's
00:20:16 --> 00:20:19 to come home back home.
00:20:19 --> 00:20:20 He
00:20:20 --> 00:20:24 dies. He left me eternally.
00:20:24 --> 00:20:25 Yeah. Right.
00:20:25 --> 00:20:28 So when he's in the casket, he was
00:20:28 --> 00:20:29 buried. He was funeralized at
00:20:29 --> 00:20:32 tabernacle. Yeah.
00:20:32 --> 00:20:34 And when he's in front of the, you know,
00:20:34 --> 00:20:37 he's laid out, my uncles are saying,
00:20:37 --> 00:20:39 "Hey, buddy." That's my nickname, right?
00:20:39 --> 00:20:40 Hey, buddy, it's okay to cry. My
00:20:40 --> 00:20:41 grandmom said, "Buddy, it's okay to
00:20:42 --> 00:20:43 cry." My mom said, "Baby, you
00:20:43 --> 00:20:46 okay?" I'm like, "Cry for
00:20:46 --> 00:20:50 what?" I'm pissed. Yeah. Like that. Like
00:20:50 --> 00:20:52 like
00:20:52 --> 00:20:55 literally there are so many unanswered
00:20:55 --> 00:20:58 questions, Lena, in that box,
00:20:58 --> 00:21:03 right? like it it it represented for me
00:21:03 --> 00:21:04 all the things I would never get a
00:21:04 --> 00:21:07 chance to ask him. Hey mom. Hey dad. How
00:21:07 --> 00:21:10 how do I deal with this girl? Yeah. Hey
00:21:10 --> 00:21:13 dad, talk to me about sex, man. Hey dad,
00:21:13 --> 00:21:16 how do I carry myself as a man? Yeah.
00:21:16 --> 00:21:18 Right. All of those things that he was
00:21:18 --> 00:21:21 supposed to teach me, he didn't get a
00:21:21 --> 00:21:24 chance to teach me. Yeah.
00:21:24 --> 00:21:27 So and and the reason why I started
00:21:27 --> 00:21:31 remand Lena is that story is not unique.
00:21:31 --> 00:21:35 There are so many men that I that I hold
00:21:35 --> 00:21:39 in my arms and let them cry. Yeah. When
00:21:39 --> 00:21:42 they ask the question, they got mentors,
00:21:42 --> 00:21:44 they got uncles, they got boys on the
00:21:44 --> 00:21:45 block, and they still ask me this
00:21:45 --> 00:21:49 question. Why my dad don't want me?
00:21:49 --> 00:21:52 Right? So most women are dealing with
00:21:52 --> 00:21:55 guys who have been traumatized by the
00:21:55 --> 00:21:58 absence of their dads.
00:21:58 --> 00:22:02 Yeah. Right. And at the same
00:22:02 --> 00:22:05 time, dads, this is hard for many people
00:22:05 --> 00:22:08 to believe, but I serve men every day.
00:22:08 --> 00:22:10 Dads want to be involved with their
00:22:10 --> 00:22:13 kids. They want to. They don't know how.
00:22:14 --> 00:22:15 Most of them have been absent for so
00:22:15 --> 00:22:17 long that they've said to me, "Hey,
00:22:17 --> 00:22:19 Donald, what do I say, man? I've been
00:22:19 --> 00:22:22 gone for 10 years. Like, what do I say?
00:22:22 --> 00:22:24 I said, you got to you got to man up.
00:22:24 --> 00:22:25 You got to look your child in the face.
00:22:26 --> 00:22:27 You got to deal with mom. You got to be
00:22:27 --> 00:22:29 able to deal with all of that if you're
00:22:29 --> 00:22:31 going to ever get to the relationship
00:22:31 --> 00:22:32 that you want to have with your child.
00:22:32 --> 00:22:34 If you ever want to get there, right?
00:22:34 --> 00:22:36 Yes. My
00:22:36 --> 00:22:39 dad wrote a letter obviously before he
00:22:39 --> 00:22:41 died. My grandmother had it. I still
00:22:41 --> 00:22:45 have it today where he
00:22:45 --> 00:22:49 says, "Hey, mom." He called me boot.
00:22:49 --> 00:22:53 Tell tell Boot I loved him. I ain't know
00:22:53 --> 00:22:56 how to be a dad.
00:22:56 --> 00:22:59 Right. So, so that helped settle my
00:22:59 --> 00:23:00 heart. Wasn't that my dad didn't love
00:23:00 --> 00:23:02 me. It wasn't that he didn't want to be
00:23:02 --> 00:23:04 with me. He just know what to do. You
00:23:04 --> 00:23:06 don't know what to do. And many of these
00:23:06 --> 00:23:10 guys, Lorena, either don't know what to
00:23:10 --> 00:23:14 do or are not celebrated for their
00:23:14 --> 00:23:16 unique contribution to the
00:23:16 --> 00:23:20 family. Right? So if if if I don't do it
00:23:20 --> 00:23:22 like mom, if I don't correct like mom,
00:23:22 --> 00:23:25 if I don't speak like mom, then my
00:23:25 --> 00:23:28 unique value, particularly in a society
00:23:28 --> 00:23:32 that does not value men, yes, feel
00:23:32 --> 00:23:35 unnecessary.
00:23:35 --> 00:23:36 And I I
00:23:36 --> 00:23:39 I so agree with that. Yeah. I think
00:23:39 --> 00:23:43 sometimes women make it hard. Yeah. They
00:23:43 --> 00:23:45 make it hard. I I always talk to my
00:23:45 --> 00:23:47 husband about my son and his father's
00:23:47 --> 00:23:50 relationship. Okay. And he ain't have no
00:23:50 --> 00:23:54 money. So I went to work. Mhm. He was at
00:23:54 --> 00:23:56 every game, every football practice, and
00:23:56 --> 00:23:59 my son traveled. So I paid for it. Yes.
00:23:59 --> 00:24:01 Yes. When Christmas came and got my son
00:24:02 --> 00:24:03 gave him his Christmas list and he
00:24:03 --> 00:24:04 couldn't afford it. I went and bought
00:24:04 --> 00:24:08 the gifts. Put daddy's name on it cuz he
00:24:08 --> 00:24:11 was she was present. Yes. But money is
00:24:11 --> 00:24:13 what's going to keep you money not going
00:24:13 --> 00:24:14 to keep you from being my baby dad. My
00:24:14 --> 00:24:16 baby need a daddy. Yeah. You know, but
00:24:16 --> 00:24:19 he was good dad. Yeah. And he loved his
00:24:19 --> 00:24:21 son. So no matter what it was between me
00:24:21 --> 00:24:24 and him, I was going to make sure at all
00:24:24 --> 00:24:27 cost my son had a dad cuz I had a
00:24:27 --> 00:24:29 father, a stepfather. Yeah. who raised
00:24:29 --> 00:24:30 me. I don't call him stepdad because he
00:24:30 --> 00:24:32 my daddy. Yeah. You know, I met my
00:24:32 --> 00:24:35 biological father at 30 years old. And
00:24:35 --> 00:24:37 when he met me, he called me up, asking
00:24:37 --> 00:24:39 for some money. Our first conversation
00:24:39 --> 00:24:42 to help him get his truck fixed. Wow.
00:24:42 --> 00:24:45 Our first conversation. Yeah. So, so, so
00:24:45 --> 00:24:46 I I knew how important it was to have a
00:24:46 --> 00:24:49 dad, but I could not imagine how
00:24:49 --> 00:24:52 important it is for a man Yes. to have a
00:24:52 --> 00:24:54 father. So, yeah. So, so no, I I get
00:24:54 --> 00:24:55 what you're saying, but what you didn't
00:24:55 --> 00:24:58 say is women sometimes make it hard for
00:24:58 --> 00:25:02 men to stand because they may lack Yes.
00:25:02 --> 00:25:03 what they think they should be doing.
00:25:03 --> 00:25:06 Yes. And and and here's the other thing,
00:25:06 --> 00:25:09 right? So, so men don't get an escape
00:25:09 --> 00:25:10 because the truth of the matter is there
00:25:10 --> 00:25:12 was some research done in a book called
00:25:12 --> 00:25:15 Doing the Best I Can.
00:25:15 --> 00:25:18 And in that book, they followed men, I
00:25:18 --> 00:25:21 think, from Trenton, New Jersey, Philly,
00:25:21 --> 00:25:25 um, men who had multiple children by
00:25:25 --> 00:25:28 multiple women. And they they what they
00:25:28 --> 00:25:32 found was that
00:25:32 --> 00:25:34 men loved the
00:25:34 --> 00:25:38 fact that their lady was having a
00:25:38 --> 00:25:41 child, but didn't know how to navigate
00:25:41 --> 00:25:44 the adversity when the child comes.
00:25:44 --> 00:25:46 That's good. Right. So, what ultimately
00:25:46 --> 00:25:49 then happens is a brother says if a
00:25:49 --> 00:25:51 brother gets into a a spat with his
00:25:51 --> 00:25:53 lady, he can't he ain't got the money.
00:25:53 --> 00:25:55 Whatever the case may
00:25:55 --> 00:25:57 be, he said, "You know what the heck
00:25:57 --> 00:25:59 with this? I'm leaving you." Now, what
00:25:59 --> 00:26:02 he doesn't what he doesn't know is that
00:26:02 --> 00:26:04 I'm not just leaving
00:26:04 --> 00:26:08 you. I'm leaving my child because 90% of
00:26:08 --> 00:26:11 the time ch children live with mom,
00:26:11 --> 00:26:13 right? That's a whole another thing we
00:26:13 --> 00:26:15 need to talk about at a future time,
00:26:15 --> 00:26:18 right? The the laws and how the laws are
00:26:18 --> 00:26:21 set against brothers actually being
00:26:21 --> 00:26:23 involved,
00:26:23 --> 00:26:25 right? So, what they found out was when
00:26:25 --> 00:26:29 they did the research that he leaves her
00:26:29 --> 00:26:31 and he he goes to be with another woman.
00:26:31 --> 00:26:33 He impregnates her and guess what
00:26:34 --> 00:26:35 happens? The same thing. They get into a
00:26:35 --> 00:26:38 spat. He says, "I'm out of here." And
00:26:38 --> 00:26:39 then he goes to find someone else. They
00:26:39 --> 00:26:41 get in the spat. I'm out of here. That's
00:26:41 --> 00:26:45 how he ends up with multiple children by
00:26:45 --> 00:26:48 multiple women. Not because he's a bad
00:26:48 --> 00:26:51 dude. No one taught him to handle
00:26:51 --> 00:26:54 adversity. Oh, that's good. Right. So,
00:26:54 --> 00:26:55 when we teach him and we give him the
00:26:55 --> 00:26:58 tools to handle conflict,
00:26:58 --> 00:27:00 he's a better father. He's a better
00:27:00 --> 00:27:02 mate. He's a better partner. He's a
00:27:02 --> 00:27:04 better employee. He's a better boss.
00:27:04 --> 00:27:08 He's a better all of that simply because
00:27:08 --> 00:27:12 he knows how to handle conflict. Dr.
00:27:12 --> 00:27:17 um uh Dr. Cloud, Henry Cloud
00:27:17 --> 00:27:20 uh says that character is the capacity
00:27:20 --> 00:27:24 to meet face and overcome advers adverse
00:27:24 --> 00:27:27 reality. Okay. So what remanded is
00:27:27 --> 00:27:31 about is helping black men navigate
00:27:31 --> 00:27:33 adversity. That's all we do every single
00:27:33 --> 00:27:35 day because I found out if I can help
00:27:35 --> 00:27:37 him navigate adversity in his house, in
00:27:37 --> 00:27:41 his business, in his personal life, life
00:27:41 --> 00:27:43 life doesn't get easier, but his
00:27:43 --> 00:27:46 capacity to handle life happening is
00:27:46 --> 00:27:49 greater, which makes it seem lighter
00:27:49 --> 00:27:50 even if it's not lighter. That make
00:27:50 --> 00:27:53 sense? That makes a lot of sense. So,
00:27:53 --> 00:27:56 let me ask, so when you are meeting with
00:27:56 --> 00:27:58 these men, is it a group session? Are
00:27:58 --> 00:28:00 these one-on-one sessions? Do you meet
00:28:00 --> 00:28:03 weekly or monthly? How is are we are we
00:28:03 --> 00:28:05 women allowed to know how to meet how to
00:28:05 --> 00:28:07 meet? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're able
00:28:07 --> 00:28:10 you're able to know. Um it depends,
00:28:10 --> 00:28:14 right? So I have I have several kinds of
00:28:14 --> 00:28:18 clients, right? I've got guys uh who
00:28:18 --> 00:28:20 meet in groups.
00:28:20 --> 00:28:23 Um I got guys who are celebrities, so
00:28:23 --> 00:28:25 they don't they don't meet in groups. Uh
00:28:26 --> 00:28:28 they meet with me oneon-one. Um, and
00:28:28 --> 00:28:30 then I've got
00:28:30 --> 00:28:33 guys who meet every single week. I got
00:28:33 --> 00:28:35 guys who meet with me one-on-one every
00:28:35 --> 00:28:37 week. Groups that meet with me oneon-one
00:28:37 --> 00:28:39 every week. Right. So, what we're in the
00:28:39 --> 00:28:44 process of doing now is scaling so that
00:28:44 --> 00:28:47 I am not the main
00:28:47 --> 00:28:50 um coach and consultant anymore in
00:28:50 --> 00:28:53 remand. Uh, I'm the business owner and
00:28:53 --> 00:28:56 we bring on brothers that are incredibly
00:28:56 --> 00:28:59 brilliant. Okay. um in order to uh do
00:28:59 --> 00:29:03 this work alongside me. Awesome. And you
00:29:04 --> 00:29:08 said something. So, is this conversation
00:29:08 --> 00:29:11 biblically based?
00:29:11 --> 00:29:12 Very good question. It's called
00:29:12 --> 00:29:15 ministry. So, is it biblically based?
00:29:15 --> 00:29:19 Is yes and no. Okay. Right. Uh several
00:29:20 --> 00:29:23 of our guys are Christians. I'm a
00:29:23 --> 00:29:26 carrying Christian. Um but we got You
00:29:26 --> 00:29:28 said a card carrying. I'm a car carrying
00:29:28 --> 00:29:31 Christian. Now what is that? A car
00:29:31 --> 00:29:33 carrying Christian is one who is
00:29:33 --> 00:29:37 verifiably Christian. Okay. Right. So I
00:29:38 --> 00:29:40 am verifiably a Christian. Now there are
00:29:40 --> 00:29:42 many people who would say a Donald
00:29:42 --> 00:29:45 Morton fell off because that dude that
00:29:45 --> 00:29:47 dude's language now he cussing out
00:29:47 --> 00:29:51 there. He Yeah. Yeah. What you be
00:29:51 --> 00:29:54 cussing for Donald? Because because
00:29:54 --> 00:29:56 here's what the data said. First of all,
00:29:56 --> 00:29:58 let me just say it this
00:29:58 --> 00:30:02 way. Most men do. Even the pastors that
00:30:02 --> 00:30:05 we hold dear,
00:30:05 --> 00:30:09 right? They just don't do it in public.
00:30:09 --> 00:30:11 So, we think uh I've been cussing since
00:30:11 --> 00:30:14 I was 12 years old,
00:30:14 --> 00:30:16 right? And obviously, I'm smart enough
00:30:16 --> 00:30:20 and wise enough not to cuss in church or
00:30:20 --> 00:30:22 something crazy like that. So people
00:30:22 --> 00:30:25 people often ask and I make a joke out
00:30:25 --> 00:30:27 of it. People say, "Hey Donald, they
00:30:27 --> 00:30:28 they gonna invite you to preach, but
00:30:28 --> 00:30:30 boy, they already know you gonna come
00:30:30 --> 00:30:33 out the mouth." I'm not gonna listen,
00:30:33 --> 00:30:36 you know. Game a minute, right? I know
00:30:36 --> 00:30:38 how to control myself and how to
00:30:38 --> 00:30:41 navigate my life, right?
00:30:41 --> 00:30:44 But I will tell you this, there's almost
00:30:44 --> 00:30:46 nothing I wouldn't
00:30:46 --> 00:30:51 do to reach a man. Yeah. Right.
00:30:51 --> 00:30:53 And
00:30:53 --> 00:30:55 men need to hear language that is raw
00:30:56 --> 00:30:58 and real. Look, the people that's I hear
00:30:58 --> 00:31:00 ding ding ding. They in here comment.
00:31:00 --> 00:31:02 Let me see what they over here saying.
00:31:02 --> 00:31:03 Go ahead. I'm listening to you. They
00:31:03 --> 00:31:07 They don't want They don't want to have
00:31:07 --> 00:31:09 polished conversations, conversations
00:31:09 --> 00:31:11 that are pretty all the time. I had a
00:31:11 --> 00:31:14 brother, I was in his chest about
00:31:14 --> 00:31:17 something and you know what that brother
00:31:17 --> 00:31:23 said, Lena? He said, "F you, Doc. F you.
00:31:23 --> 00:31:25 And in the middle of it, I kind of sat
00:31:25 --> 00:31:28 back. I said, "You feel better, bro?" He
00:31:28 --> 00:31:30 said, "Yes, sir." Because he ain't mad
00:31:30 --> 00:31:33 at me. He was just upset. He was just
00:31:33 --> 00:31:36 upset. Right. And if I can't handle,
00:31:36 --> 00:31:39 this is the way I feel about cuss words
00:31:39 --> 00:31:42 and and all that kind of stuff.
00:31:42 --> 00:31:45 If I can't
00:31:45 --> 00:31:48 handle somebody speaking what I call
00:31:48 --> 00:31:51 insulent language, tab taboo language.
00:31:51 --> 00:31:54 If I can't taboo language, if I can't
00:31:54 --> 00:31:56 handle that, man, I ain't got no
00:31:56 --> 00:31:57 business serving
00:31:57 --> 00:31:59 people. I ain't got no business serving
00:32:00 --> 00:32:03 anybody if I can't handle language that
00:32:03 --> 00:32:05 is raw, that is real. I can't I can't go
00:32:06 --> 00:32:08 into a prison and expect those guys to
00:32:08 --> 00:32:11 have clean language. I can't go into a
00:32:11 --> 00:32:13 guy that's hurting because his wife just
00:32:13 --> 00:32:16 cheated on him and expect he gonna have
00:32:16 --> 00:32:17 some he gonna have some choice language.
00:32:17 --> 00:32:20 Yes. They they gonna have And so I have
00:32:20 --> 00:32:23 choice language when I'm upset, but I
00:32:23 --> 00:32:24 also have choice language
00:32:25 --> 00:32:27 intentionally. I will cuss a guy out
00:32:27 --> 00:32:30 intentionally so that he understands I'm
00:32:30 --> 00:32:31 one of
00:32:31 --> 00:32:34 you, right? Like I'm no better than any
00:32:34 --> 00:32:36 brother that I serve. I just happen to
00:32:36 --> 00:32:39 have a grace to be able to support men
00:32:39 --> 00:32:41 while they do their work. But I ain't no
00:32:41 --> 00:32:43 better than any brother that is
00:32:43 --> 00:32:48 inside remand. And and that is the other
00:32:48 --> 00:32:53 other reason, Lena, I stopped pastoring
00:32:53 --> 00:32:56 because my time of pastoring in the
00:32:56 --> 00:32:57 local
00:32:57 --> 00:33:02 church was the
00:33:03 --> 00:33:07 most fake time of my life. Okay, let's
00:33:07 --> 00:33:10 go there. Right? Because you don't you
00:33:10 --> 00:33:12 can't live authentically.
00:33:12 --> 00:33:14 You have to be what the people need you
00:33:14 --> 00:33:15 to
00:33:15 --> 00:33:17 be. I got to teach what the people need
00:33:17 --> 00:33:20 me to teach. Benny Hinn said when he
00:33:20 --> 00:33:22 retired from pastoring and preaching,
00:33:22 --> 00:33:25 Benny Hinn said he could finally now
00:33:25 --> 00:33:27 enjoy a genuine relationship with
00:33:27 --> 00:33:29 God. Because before that, your
00:33:29 --> 00:33:31 relationship with God is based on what
00:33:31 --> 00:33:33 you got to give people. Cuz you're a
00:33:33 --> 00:33:36 servant. I'm a servant,
00:33:36 --> 00:33:38 right? I gota I got to study to make
00:33:38 --> 00:33:40 sure people are fed on Sunday. I ain't
00:33:40 --> 00:33:43 studying for me. I'm studying for them.
00:33:43 --> 00:33:45 Yeah. If they don't like something that
00:33:45 --> 00:33:47 I say, then I got to go back and I got
00:33:47 --> 00:33:48 to apologize because I said it.
00:33:48 --> 00:33:50 Otherwise, they don't come to church.
00:33:50 --> 00:33:51 They don't
00:33:51 --> 00:33:53 give. I don't want to do that no more.
00:33:53 --> 00:33:55 So, was it the people? Because if God
00:33:56 --> 00:33:57 called you to preach, did God tell you,
00:33:57 --> 00:33:58 "This is what I want you to give to
00:33:58 --> 00:34:00 people or what the people have wanted
00:34:00 --> 00:34:03 you to give them?" It can be both. Both
00:34:03 --> 00:34:05 can be true at the same time. Church is
00:34:05 --> 00:34:08 very political. Yeah. Right. It's very
00:34:08 --> 00:34:11 political. So even if God gives me a
00:34:11 --> 00:34:13 word that I believe he has given me for
00:34:13 --> 00:34:15 the people and I give it to the people
00:34:15 --> 00:34:17 and they don't like it, if it's a word
00:34:17 --> 00:34:20 about sin and they don't like it, if
00:34:20 --> 00:34:22 it's a word about don't do this and they
00:34:22 --> 00:34:25 don't like it, they vote with their
00:34:25 --> 00:34:27 feet, they just leave. They go to
00:34:27 --> 00:34:30 another church that makes it easier for
00:34:30 --> 00:34:31 them to live the lives that they want to
00:34:31 --> 00:34:35 live. And what's crazy
00:34:35 --> 00:34:38 is the place that I'm in
00:34:38 --> 00:34:42 now, I got the most the dopest
00:34:42 --> 00:34:43 relationship with God I've ever had in
00:34:43 --> 00:34:46 my life because I ain't got to worry
00:34:46 --> 00:34:48 about nobody else. I just make sure I'm
00:34:48 --> 00:34:50 good. Make sure I'm a man of character.
00:34:50 --> 00:34:51 Make sure I'm a man of integrity. Make
00:34:51 --> 00:34:53 sure I'm doing things the right way.
00:34:53 --> 00:34:55 That's that's my life now. And out of
00:34:55 --> 00:34:58 the overflow of that life, I get a
00:34:58 --> 00:35:00 chance to serve brothers on their
00:35:00 --> 00:35:02 journey of making sure their lives are
00:35:02 --> 00:35:03 good as well. And only because you
00:35:03 --> 00:35:05 brought it up, I want to ask this
00:35:05 --> 00:35:07 question. Sure.
00:35:07 --> 00:35:11 Do you think it was hard for you because
00:35:11 --> 00:35:13 of what people expected from you because
00:35:13 --> 00:35:17 of who you are and whose you are because
00:35:17 --> 00:35:19 of the mantle of your of your of your
00:35:19 --> 00:35:21 mother? Because you were a legacy
00:35:21 --> 00:35:23 holder. Do you think that it was too it
00:35:23 --> 00:35:25 was a lot of pressure on you because of
00:35:25 --> 00:35:28 that? And and and rightfully so, for as
00:35:28 --> 00:35:30 long as I would stand in her shoes.
00:35:30 --> 00:35:32 Yeah. But a part of the challenge that
00:35:32 --> 00:35:34 people had with me is I didn't want to
00:35:34 --> 00:35:36 stand in my mom's shoes. Yeah. I wanted
00:35:36 --> 00:35:39 to be my own man. Still to this day, as
00:35:39 --> 00:35:41 many people, you know, approach me and
00:35:41 --> 00:35:43 say, "Your mom was great." She was.
00:35:43 --> 00:35:46 Absolutely. Undeniably great. But she
00:35:46 --> 00:35:50 was your mom. Yeah. Yeah. My mom was a
00:35:50 --> 00:35:53 trailblazer. Yeah. You don't you don't
00:35:53 --> 00:35:55 you don't get Artha Mortons every day.
00:35:55 --> 00:35:59 No. Right. But I got my own journey. Got
00:35:59 --> 00:36:03 your own journey. And and a part of what
00:36:03 --> 00:36:07 God said to me is a series of events
00:36:07 --> 00:36:08 took
00:36:08 --> 00:36:11 place and he said, "I had to kick you
00:36:11 --> 00:36:15 out." Yeah. Because if I didn't, you
00:36:15 --> 00:36:17 could never start what I've asked you to
00:36:17 --> 00:36:20 start. I was so busy trying to live up
00:36:20 --> 00:36:24 to the legacy of Bishop Artha Elva
00:36:24 --> 00:36:28 Nadine Adams Jackson Morton. That's my
00:36:28 --> 00:36:30 right. I was busy trying to live up to
00:36:30 --> 00:36:35 that that I wasn't me.
00:36:35 --> 00:36:38 And toward the end of my mom's life, I
00:36:38 --> 00:36:40 had the absolute
00:36:40 --> 00:36:42 privilege of taking care of my mom for
00:36:42 --> 00:36:44 the last several months of her life.
00:36:44 --> 00:36:47 Yeah. Uh the ability to feed her and to
00:36:47 --> 00:36:49 laugh with her, have conversations with
00:36:49 --> 00:36:52 her and to have her roll her eyes at me
00:36:52 --> 00:36:54 and you know
00:36:54 --> 00:36:58 um you know toward the end they would
00:36:58 --> 00:37:01 say, "Hey, can you come feed grandma?
00:37:01 --> 00:37:03 She won't she won't eat for me." I would
00:37:03 --> 00:37:05 say, "Hey, precious, feel my heart. You
00:37:05 --> 00:37:08 giving everybody a hard time." She just
00:37:08 --> 00:37:09 look at me, roll her eyes. I said, "Just
00:37:09 --> 00:37:12 just eat this little bit." And she bit
00:37:12 --> 00:37:13 and just leave me alone. She like,
00:37:13 --> 00:37:16 "Leave me alone." Yeah. Th those are the
00:37:16 --> 00:37:18 gems. Those are the moments you'll never
00:37:18 --> 00:37:20 forget. My husband, the moments I'll
00:37:20 --> 00:37:24 never forget. His mother. Yes. Yeah. So,
00:37:24 --> 00:37:29 so you know I had the opportunity to
00:37:29 --> 00:37:34 be Donald for her and
00:37:34 --> 00:37:37 not Dr. Donald Morton, whatever that
00:37:37 --> 00:37:40 meant and all that all of the stuff that
00:37:40 --> 00:37:44 people had me kind of having to do.
00:37:44 --> 00:37:46 Yeah. I I I just didn't want to do it
00:37:46 --> 00:37:48 anymore. I didn't want to do it. And so
00:37:48 --> 00:37:51 for me, I got this wonderful opportunity
00:37:51 --> 00:37:53 to be
00:37:53 --> 00:37:56 free from all of that. And now I live
00:37:56 --> 00:37:58 authentically in the way that God has
00:37:58 --> 00:38:02 asked me to be. Where was it birth from?
00:38:02 --> 00:38:03 Now you told us what it is. I know what
00:38:03 --> 00:38:06 it is. But yeah, because I saw you make
00:38:06 --> 00:38:08 the transition from church and then you
00:38:08 --> 00:38:11 came and I saw you post remanded. Yeah.
00:38:11 --> 00:38:13 Where did the title come from and where
00:38:13 --> 00:38:15 was it birthed from? rem remand comes
00:38:15 --> 00:38:18 from this idea
00:38:18 --> 00:38:21 uh that we need to go back to what God's
00:38:21 --> 00:38:26 original intent for men was right re
00:38:26 --> 00:38:29 transform or go back to what men are
00:38:29 --> 00:38:33 supposed to be and it was birthed out of
00:38:33 --> 00:38:35 a tremendous amount of pain over and
00:38:35 --> 00:38:37 over again in
00:38:37 --> 00:38:41 scripture God says gird up your loins
00:38:41 --> 00:38:43 like a man stand before me like a man so
00:38:43 --> 00:38:45 clearly
00:38:45 --> 00:38:48 There is an idea of what God thought men
00:38:48 --> 00:38:51 should be.
00:38:51 --> 00:38:55 And the further I got away from
00:38:55 --> 00:38:59 that because I was raised by a woman.
00:38:59 --> 00:39:01 And let me say this to our ladies.
00:39:02 --> 00:39:03 Just hear my heart when I say this. I
00:39:03 --> 00:39:05 had to say that to my mom. I'm saying it
00:39:05 --> 00:39:07 to the ladies. Hear my heart when I say
00:39:07 --> 00:39:09 this.
00:39:09 --> 00:39:13 Moms are the worst fathers ever.
00:39:13 --> 00:39:16 I have realized that. Yeah, we are.
00:39:16 --> 00:39:18 Yeah. Y you're the worst fathers ever,
00:39:18 --> 00:39:22 right? So, so my mom did a great job at
00:39:22 --> 00:39:24 raising a human. I knew right from
00:39:24 --> 00:39:26 wrong. I, you know, the morals and all
00:39:26 --> 00:39:29 of that. I was clear about that. But the
00:39:29 --> 00:39:32 idea of being a man, being a husband,
00:39:32 --> 00:39:35 I've been divorced several times, right?
00:39:35 --> 00:39:39 So, this is, you know, I clearly didn't
00:39:39 --> 00:39:42 know how to be a husband. Uh, I didn't I
00:39:42 --> 00:39:45 wasn't the best father, right? Nobody
00:39:45 --> 00:39:48 taught me till I got older. And I have a
00:39:48 --> 00:39:51 mentor, Dr. Michael Freeman at uh, Faith
00:39:51 --> 00:39:53 City Central in Maryland. So, he has
00:39:53 --> 00:39:57 become dad. Like, literally dad. He is
00:39:57 --> 00:40:00 quintessentially what a man is. I enjoy
00:40:00 --> 00:40:03 him and his wife. Yes. Phenomenal.
00:40:03 --> 00:40:07 Phenomenal people. So, I can't say that
00:40:07 --> 00:40:09 I don't know anymore. I
00:40:09 --> 00:40:12 do. But but remand came out of a whole
00:40:12 --> 00:40:15 lot of pain, Lena. Like I had prostate
00:40:15 --> 00:40:18 cancer, right? I remember that. Yes. I
00:40:18 --> 00:40:20 had prostate cancer. I've been through
00:40:20 --> 00:40:22 divorce. I've been through bankruptcy.
00:40:22 --> 00:40:27 My life was a mess. And it wasn't until
00:40:27 --> 00:40:30 I embraced what it is God has called me
00:40:30 --> 00:40:34 to be and who it was God called me to be
00:40:34 --> 00:40:36 that I was able to shed all of that.
00:40:36 --> 00:40:39 Right. So most people experience pain,
00:40:39 --> 00:40:41 particularly brothers, and they don't
00:40:41 --> 00:40:44 tell anybody about it. And a part of my
00:40:44 --> 00:40:46 goal with remand is to make sure I shout
00:40:46 --> 00:40:49 from the mountain tops that you can have
00:40:49 --> 00:40:51 a jacked up life and you can come out of
00:40:52 --> 00:40:54 that and God can still use you to
00:40:54 --> 00:40:56 restore to be a good husband, to be a
00:40:56 --> 00:40:58 good father, to be a good business
00:40:58 --> 00:40:59 owner. And if you don't want to do any
00:40:59 --> 00:41:01 of that, just to be a good dude, like
00:41:01 --> 00:41:05 God can God can restore. Isn't it
00:41:05 --> 00:41:06 amazing that one of
00:41:07 --> 00:41:09 the one of my favorite scriptures, Lena,
00:41:09 --> 00:41:12 that nobody talks about is Galatians
00:41:12 --> 00:41:17 6:1? If a man is overtaken in a fall,
00:41:17 --> 00:41:21 you who are spiritual, restore that man.
00:41:21 --> 00:41:23 Not talk about that man, not down that
00:41:23 --> 00:41:25 man, not stomp that man, restore that
00:41:25 --> 00:41:28 dude. Right? And it says it this way. It
00:41:28 --> 00:41:31 says, "Do it with meekness, lest you be
00:41:31 --> 00:41:33 the one next."
00:41:33 --> 00:41:35 Because we got this judgmental thing
00:41:35 --> 00:41:37 where we act like our lives are perfect
00:41:37 --> 00:41:40 and if we were to kind of have a camera
00:41:40 --> 00:41:43 crew behind closed doors with people. Oh
00:41:43 --> 00:41:45 my goodness. Yeah. Their their lives
00:41:45 --> 00:41:48 raggedy. My life is in the best place
00:41:48 --> 00:41:52 it's ever been. Um I love my wife. I
00:41:52 --> 00:41:56 love my kids. Uh I honor God. I serve
00:41:56 --> 00:41:58 men. I'm in purpose. I wake up every day
00:41:58 --> 00:42:01 in purpose and on purpose. And I'm
00:42:01 --> 00:42:04 living a life all because God has
00:42:04 --> 00:42:06 restored my life. And that's good
00:42:06 --> 00:42:07 because you mentioned about being
00:42:08 --> 00:42:09 married a few times. Yes. And I know you
00:42:09 --> 00:42:11 started remand before you got married to
00:42:11 --> 00:42:13 this beautiful wife you're with now.
00:42:13 --> 00:42:16 Yes. Um what changed that helped you
00:42:16 --> 00:42:18 become the husband that you are today?
00:42:18 --> 00:42:21 That's a very good question. I ask good
00:42:21 --> 00:42:23 questions. You you really do.
00:42:23 --> 00:42:25 Um, what
00:42:25 --> 00:42:28 changed is I
00:42:28 --> 00:42:31 embraced all of Donald. That's good.
00:42:31 --> 00:42:33 Let's make it clear. I didn't change for
00:42:33 --> 00:42:36 my wife. I love my wife, but I didn't
00:42:36 --> 00:42:38 change for my wife. I changed for me.
00:42:38 --> 00:42:41 She is the beneficiary of my change.
00:42:41 --> 00:42:43 That's good. She's not the cause of it.
00:42:43 --> 00:42:45 So when sisters say all the time,
00:42:45 --> 00:42:48 sisters say, "Well, he changed for me or
00:42:48 --> 00:42:50 I hope he will change for me." No ma'am,
00:42:50 --> 00:42:53 you don't even want that.
00:42:53 --> 00:42:54 Right. You want a brother courageous
00:42:54 --> 00:42:57 enough to change for himself and you
00:42:57 --> 00:42:59 receive the benefits of that change.
00:43:00 --> 00:43:03 That's right. Right. So, I did it when I
00:43:03 --> 00:43:06 finally embraced all of Donald. And when
00:43:06 --> 00:43:08 I say embraced all of Donald, I mean the
00:43:08 --> 00:43:11 light sides of me and the dark sides of
00:43:11 --> 00:43:15 me. Yes. I had a horrible anger problem.
00:43:15 --> 00:43:19 I mean massive anger problem. You still
00:43:19 --> 00:43:21 rubbed me the wrong way. I still he's
00:43:21 --> 00:43:23 he's still in there. You just told me
00:43:23 --> 00:43:24 you cussing the men out now. Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:24 --> 00:43:26 But I cuss him out
00:43:26 --> 00:43:28 intentionally, right? It's it's
00:43:28 --> 00:43:31 strategic for me. But I've I've learned
00:43:31 --> 00:43:33 to embrace that that part of me is real.
00:43:33 --> 00:43:35 I don't try to hide him. I don't try to
00:43:35 --> 00:43:38 act like he doesn't exist. I try to
00:43:38 --> 00:43:42 manage him, but he's there. And I think
00:43:42 --> 00:43:44 one of Paul said it this way, Lorena. He
00:43:44 --> 00:43:46 said, "When I want to do good, evil's
00:43:46 --> 00:43:49 always present." Right? So, so for me,
00:43:50 --> 00:43:52 I've learned to embrace all of Donald. I
00:43:52 --> 00:43:54 don't try to hide any parts of him. I am
00:43:54 --> 00:43:57 who I am. And for the people that rock
00:43:57 --> 00:43:59 with that, cool. For those that don't,
00:43:59 --> 00:44:01 cool. It's like like we ain't falling
00:44:01 --> 00:44:03 out. It's okay. I'm not everybody's cup
00:44:03 --> 00:44:05 of tea. I'm not every brother's cup of
00:44:05 --> 00:44:07 tea. I'm just the cup of tea for the
00:44:07 --> 00:44:09 brother who wants me to live
00:44:09 --> 00:44:11 authentically before him and give him
00:44:11 --> 00:44:13 permission to do so at the same time.
00:44:13 --> 00:44:16 Yes. So, is Donald still evolving or has
00:44:16 --> 00:44:19 do you think that you are who you are
00:44:19 --> 00:44:21 going to be because you say that this is
00:44:21 --> 00:44:23 who you are. You embraced all of you.
00:44:23 --> 00:44:24 But this is the full this is a forever
00:44:24 --> 00:44:28 evolution, right? It is. It is for for
00:44:28 --> 00:44:32 everyone. Yes. All of us. So So there is
00:44:32 --> 00:44:35 not a there's an ever evolving Donald
00:44:35 --> 00:44:37 that finds out more and more about
00:44:37 --> 00:44:40 himself every single day that he's
00:44:40 --> 00:44:42 inquisitive. Yes. Like one of the
00:44:42 --> 00:44:45 challenges of Christianity is we stop
00:44:45 --> 00:44:47 being inquisitive. We stop being
00:44:47 --> 00:44:49 curious. We stop asking God questions
00:44:49 --> 00:44:51 about us. We're in everybody else's
00:44:51 --> 00:44:53 business, but we're not asking questions
00:44:53 --> 00:44:56 about us. God, why am I angry? Why do I
00:44:56 --> 00:44:58 feel that way when my wife says that?
00:44:58 --> 00:45:00 What's that about? Yeah. Right.
00:45:00 --> 00:45:03 Like reflective enough. Yeah. Being
00:45:03 --> 00:45:05 reflective enough to ask ourselves hard
00:45:05 --> 00:45:08 questions. Yes. Um is what I've learned
00:45:08 --> 00:45:11 to do. So, I know if my wife says
00:45:11 --> 00:45:14 something to me and it hits me, then I
00:45:14 --> 00:45:16 I'll tell her like, "Yo, I didn't I
00:45:16 --> 00:45:18 ain't really like that, that felt a
00:45:18 --> 00:45:19 certain way, but that ain't got nothing
00:45:19 --> 00:45:21 to do with you. Let me go find out what
00:45:21 --> 00:45:23 that's about." Because I can only ask
00:45:23 --> 00:45:25 God like, "What's that's about? What is
00:45:25 --> 00:45:27 that about?" So that I can I don't ask
00:45:28 --> 00:45:30 her to make adjustments in her behavior.
00:45:30 --> 00:45:33 I ask God, "How can I make adjustments
00:45:33 --> 00:45:35 in handling whatever she says or
00:45:35 --> 00:45:37 whatever she brings?" I can't ever
00:45:37 --> 00:45:39 control what my wife does. Yes, that's
00:45:39 --> 00:45:42 good. How I handle it. And that's grown
00:45:42 --> 00:45:44 up. Coming after a grown man, too. He's
00:45:44 --> 00:45:45 like, well, he's that way. He's like,
00:45:45 --> 00:45:47 you know, I prayed about this and then
00:45:47 --> 00:45:49 you came back different or I prayed
00:45:49 --> 00:45:52 about this and you know, and it just my
00:45:52 --> 00:45:54 my thought process changed, you know.
00:45:54 --> 00:45:56 So, um I appreciate this conversation.
00:45:56 --> 00:45:58 This was really good. This has been
00:45:58 --> 00:46:02 dope. Uh yes, it's really good. I I got
00:46:02 --> 00:46:03 so much more to talk about, but I know
00:46:03 --> 00:46:04 we don't have a whole bunch of time.
00:46:04 --> 00:46:06 Well, where you taking us at? We going
00:46:06 --> 00:46:08 for real? is my computer. Was Gary die?
00:46:08 --> 00:46:10 Oh.
00:46:11 --> 00:46:13 Oh. Show us give us a tour of the house.
00:46:13 --> 00:46:17 Oh. Oh. Um, so what's next for Remand? I
00:46:17 --> 00:46:19 know I know what you're doing now. Um, I
00:46:19 --> 00:46:21 know you said that you're behind the
00:46:21 --> 00:46:22 scenes. You told me about the podcast,
00:46:22 --> 00:46:24 but what else is next? What's next for
00:46:24 --> 00:46:26 Yeah, we got a new podcast coming out.
00:46:26 --> 00:46:29 Uh, this by the time this Well, this is
00:46:29 --> 00:46:33 airing now. Uh but also June the 27th
00:46:33 --> 00:46:35 through the 30th, we have something
00:46:35 --> 00:46:38 called Kings Council Weekend that's
00:46:38 --> 00:46:39 happening in
00:46:39 --> 00:46:41 partnership with a brother of mine that
00:46:41 --> 00:46:43 I have out here. His name is Larry
00:46:43 --> 00:46:46 Starks. He owns the Stark Naked Truth.
00:46:46 --> 00:46:50 Uh so we are doing a weekend together
00:46:50 --> 00:46:52 where we are bringing brothers from all
00:46:52 --> 00:46:55 across the country together to address
00:46:55 --> 00:46:57 the things that very things that you and
00:46:57 --> 00:46:59 I talked about here today. I have a new
00:46:59 --> 00:47:01 book out the remand book uh for every
00:47:01 --> 00:47:05 young yes the every brother who desires
00:47:06 --> 00:47:08 to really uh learn the framework of
00:47:08 --> 00:47:10 remand and how remand works and
00:47:10 --> 00:47:15 functions can get that book um and then
00:47:15 --> 00:47:17 uh we have a lot of we're get we're
00:47:17 --> 00:47:19 doing some work that I can't really talk
00:47:19 --> 00:47:22 about until the ink is signed
00:47:22 --> 00:47:25 um or the ink is dry uh but we're doing
00:47:25 --> 00:47:28 a lot of work in other parts of the
00:47:28 --> 00:47:31 country in the in the prison systems.
00:47:32 --> 00:47:35 Okay. Um to help guys master this
00:47:35 --> 00:47:38 signature science that remain has. So a
00:47:38 --> 00:47:40 really really a whole lot of dope stuff
00:47:40 --> 00:47:43 that's taking place. And I'mma say this
00:47:43 --> 00:47:47 without crying, Lena. I I always want to
00:47:47 --> 00:47:49 remember my mom and these
00:47:49 --> 00:47:53 conversations because the very first
00:47:53 --> 00:47:58 $100 given to me to start remain was
00:47:58 --> 00:48:00 given to me by my
00:48:00 --> 00:48:04 mom. She was always supportive. We
00:48:04 --> 00:48:08 didn't agree on some stuff, right? Um,
00:48:08 --> 00:48:11 but my mom helped me start remand. And
00:48:11 --> 00:48:14 she always said to me, "Baby, even when
00:48:14 --> 00:48:17 I was pastoring, it's amazing to me now.
00:48:17 --> 00:48:20 She'd always say to me, baby, if you
00:48:20 --> 00:48:22 could ever get men
00:48:22 --> 00:48:24 together." She said, "That's your real
00:48:24 --> 00:48:26 assignment." And at that time, I
00:48:26 --> 00:48:28 couldn't hear it. I was like, "No, I'm
00:48:28 --> 00:48:31 pastoring. I'm, you know, I'm
00:48:31 --> 00:48:34 him, right?" And she was like, you know,
00:48:34 --> 00:48:35 if you ever heard my mom say, "All
00:48:35 --> 00:48:37 right." because that's how she would do
00:48:37 --> 00:48:39 it. Like, all right, do your thing. But
00:48:39 --> 00:48:41 she would always every now and then say
00:48:41 --> 00:48:44 if you could ever get men together. And
00:48:44 --> 00:48:48 I finally embraced the call of getting
00:48:48 --> 00:48:51 men together because I was a man who
00:48:51 --> 00:48:55 needed to be gotten together, too. And
00:48:55 --> 00:48:57 my experience just wasn't unique. There
00:48:57 --> 00:48:59 are thousands upon thousands of black
00:49:00 --> 00:49:03 men in this world that need a space to
00:49:03 --> 00:49:07 grow and remain able to provide that.
00:49:07 --> 00:49:09 And I'm and I'm going end with this. I
00:49:09 --> 00:49:11 do. You said a lot about men in church
00:49:11 --> 00:49:12 and even with your mom what your mom
00:49:12 --> 00:49:15 said if you can get the men together. I
00:49:15 --> 00:49:17 went to a service this weekend. It was a
00:49:17 --> 00:49:19 bunch of men there. They were like, you
00:49:20 --> 00:49:21 know, and it was just beautiful to see
00:49:21 --> 00:49:23 men when the when when the apostle got
00:49:23 --> 00:49:26 up, the men surrounded him. He walked
00:49:26 --> 00:49:28 they walked and just and it was just so
00:49:28 --> 00:49:30 powerful to see um a group of men, you
00:49:30 --> 00:49:33 know, I'm married to an alpha man who
00:49:33 --> 00:49:35 I've been I've known for 10 years. I've
00:49:35 --> 00:49:36 never heard him use profanity, ladies.
00:49:36 --> 00:49:38 That's what y'all know. Wow. Never like
00:49:38 --> 00:49:40 never like never. He's never a drink or
00:49:40 --> 00:49:42 smoke or nothing. He's just a good man.
00:49:42 --> 00:49:43 Like he just he's you know he just
00:49:43 --> 00:49:46 wholesome, you know.
00:49:46 --> 00:49:48 You know, he's wholesome. But with
00:49:48 --> 00:49:52 saying that um my son just like your mom
00:49:52 --> 00:49:55 gave you you know the her blessing and
00:49:55 --> 00:49:57 told you um I always told my son he was
00:49:57 --> 00:49:59 going to be great you know my mother
00:49:59 --> 00:50:01 pastored me and my sisters are all
00:50:01 --> 00:50:03 ministers you know he's watched us in
00:50:03 --> 00:50:05 church watch us preach but he came to me
00:50:05 --> 00:50:07 after Christmas said mom I think
00:50:07 --> 00:50:10 I'mma take my shahad I've been I've been
00:50:10 --> 00:50:12 studying and I say well you have well
00:50:12 --> 00:50:15 what you know about it babe because you
00:50:15 --> 00:50:16 know and I don't want to discourage them
00:50:16 --> 00:50:17 because I
00:50:18 --> 00:50:20 You got to find your own path. Yes. I
00:50:20 --> 00:50:22 know who God is. Yes. And I and I know I
00:50:22 --> 00:50:25 know enough to know that if I pray, God
00:50:25 --> 00:50:26 going to bless him. He going to comfort
00:50:26 --> 00:50:28 him. Yes. And he going to find the
00:50:28 --> 00:50:31 truth. Yes. However, he finds that,
00:50:31 --> 00:50:33 right? And it's his pathway. And he
00:50:33 --> 00:50:34 said, I said, well, I said, well, did
00:50:34 --> 00:50:37 you get did you have a touch? You know,
00:50:37 --> 00:50:38 was something that whispered to you in
00:50:38 --> 00:50:39 the midnight hour? Like what was because
00:50:39 --> 00:50:40 that's what happened to me, right? It
00:50:40 --> 00:50:43 was a touch. The Lord, you know, was a
00:50:43 --> 00:50:46 little shaken. And he said, "No, but the
00:50:46 --> 00:50:50 men are so strong. I love the unity of
00:50:50 --> 00:50:53 men." And I said to myself, so, so if he
00:50:53 --> 00:50:55 saw that in the
00:50:55 --> 00:50:58 church and my prayer is that we get back
00:50:58 --> 00:51:00 to that place and with the work that you
00:51:00 --> 00:51:01 are doing,
00:51:01 --> 00:51:04 um, my prayer is that as God continues
00:51:04 --> 00:51:07 to work on you and as you continue to
00:51:07 --> 00:51:10 evolve and heal and grow and as you're
00:51:10 --> 00:51:11 birthing because I know who you I
00:51:11 --> 00:51:13 listen, I I told you I sat and heard you
00:51:13 --> 00:51:15 preach. I know I know what's in you. And
00:51:15 --> 00:51:17 as you begin to go through this process
00:51:17 --> 00:51:20 in in helping other men heal, uh I
00:51:20 --> 00:51:21 believe that we can get back to a place
00:51:22 --> 00:51:24 where men will be the head again. Um and
00:51:24 --> 00:51:27 we'll see more men take their position
00:51:27 --> 00:51:29 back. So women, so we can learn how to
00:51:29 --> 00:51:33 be soft. Yes. I love it. Yes. I got all
00:51:33 --> 00:51:36 fat and fluffy. I
00:51:36 --> 00:51:39 got you fat. We just fluffy now. But um
00:51:39 --> 00:51:41 but yeah, so I thank you for coming on.
00:51:41 --> 00:51:43 Thank you for just being so open and
00:51:43 --> 00:51:45 candid and sharing this space with me.
00:51:45 --> 00:51:48 And I told you I I told uh Dr. Mort
00:51:48 --> 00:51:49 earlier. I said, "Listen, I cuz he's
00:51:49 --> 00:51:52 such a deep person." So today he ain't
00:51:52 --> 00:51:54 take us deep today, y'all. Not deep
00:51:54 --> 00:51:55 deep. He can go real deep. He's he's
00:51:55 --> 00:51:58 like a philosopher. Okay, that's why I
00:51:58 --> 00:52:00 wish, you know, I'm going to pray for
00:52:00 --> 00:52:02 him
00:52:02 --> 00:52:06 customs, but but you're such a deep
00:52:06 --> 00:52:08 person and you come with so much
00:52:08 --> 00:52:11 information and revelation. Yeah, you
00:52:11 --> 00:52:13 know that I'm excited to see where you
00:52:13 --> 00:52:16 go next. Thank you so much. I I really
00:52:16 --> 00:52:20 pray for men
00:52:20 --> 00:52:25 um not to heal. Yes. But to grow. To
00:52:25 --> 00:52:28 grow. Right. Healing
00:52:28 --> 00:52:30 suggests that they're going to go back
00:52:30 --> 00:52:33 to the place where they were wounded.
00:52:33 --> 00:52:36 And that's not really where men should
00:52:36 --> 00:52:38 be. Men should
00:52:38 --> 00:52:41 leverage the pain that they've been
00:52:41 --> 00:52:45 through and use it to grow. Romans five
00:52:45 --> 00:52:48 talks about how character is born from
00:52:48 --> 00:52:51 all of that. Yeah. Right. So there's
00:52:51 --> 00:52:53 never been a wasted test. There's never
00:52:53 --> 00:52:55 been a wasted tragedy. Never been a
00:52:55 --> 00:52:58 wasted trauma. God's in all of that.
00:52:58 --> 00:53:00 Yeah. And so he caused it, but he's in
00:53:00 --> 00:53:04 all of that so that character in men can
00:53:04 --> 00:53:07 be developed and forged. So, thank you
00:53:07 --> 00:53:10 for having me. I'm gonna cuss for the
00:53:10 --> 00:53:11 rest of my life. It doesn't matter.
00:53:12 --> 00:53:14 That's okay.
00:53:14 --> 00:53:15 Use your words the way you choose. Use
00:53:15 --> 00:53:20 your words.
00:53:20 --> 00:53:22 Your poor wife. I know you over there
00:53:22 --> 00:53:24 being a mess. You need to tell. I know
00:53:24 --> 00:53:26 you over I know she was having a ball
00:53:26 --> 00:53:29 over there. She has She's She's um I
00:53:29 --> 00:53:32 think I met my match. Like she she is
00:53:32 --> 00:53:35 very quickwitted. Uh so I can clown. She
00:53:36 --> 00:53:37 got something. We got a few more minutes
00:53:37 --> 00:53:39 and tell us how you met your beautiful
00:53:39 --> 00:53:41 wife and and how does she how she fits
00:53:41 --> 00:53:42 into this whole
00:53:42 --> 00:53:47 rem that I met wifey on Clubhouse. Did
00:53:47 --> 00:53:51 you? I did. I met her on Clubhouse.
00:53:51 --> 00:53:55 Um, and it wasn't Plenty of Fish.
00:53:55 --> 00:53:57 Well, Lisa wasn't Plenty of Fish. What's
00:53:57 --> 00:53:59 that? It's like another It's like a
00:53:59 --> 00:54:01 little dating app. So, Clubhouse
00:54:01 --> 00:54:03 Clubhouse. Yeah, I met her on I met her
00:54:03 --> 00:54:06 on Clubhouse. And uh what's what's
00:54:06 --> 00:54:07 really
00:54:07 --> 00:54:11 intriguing about Mara, I call her Lala.
00:54:11 --> 00:54:15 What's really intriguing about Lala
00:54:15 --> 00:54:19 is she's very smart,
00:54:19 --> 00:54:21 right? So she's she's not just pretty,
00:54:21 --> 00:54:26 she's very very smart. And
00:54:26 --> 00:54:30 much of the curriculum that remain uses,
00:54:30 --> 00:54:33 she created. Oh, that's awesome. Right.
00:54:33 --> 00:54:35 So, I give her the content. She creates
00:54:35 --> 00:54:39 the nuts and bolts. She is a uh she's
00:54:39 --> 00:54:42 got a degree in psychology. Okay. She is
00:54:42 --> 00:54:46 a search social worker at heart. Okay.
00:54:46 --> 00:54:50 Um and so, shout out to her who just
00:54:50 --> 00:54:53 does a lot of work. Her heart is for
00:54:53 --> 00:54:55 people.
00:54:55 --> 00:54:58 So, you let her help you create. Yes.
00:54:58 --> 00:55:00 She didn't take over. No, she can't take
00:55:00 --> 00:55:03 over. In fact, it's crazy. Well, she
00:55:03 --> 00:55:05 ain't coming and try to take over, but
00:55:05 --> 00:55:09 you did. She did. She tried. Uh when
00:55:09 --> 00:55:12 when we first got married,
00:55:12 --> 00:55:14 uh I invited her into our private
00:55:14 --> 00:55:17 Facebook community. Okay. And invited
00:55:17 --> 00:55:19 her and introduced her to
00:55:19 --> 00:55:22 everyone. And she was in there for about
00:55:22 --> 00:55:25 five minutes and I kicked her out. Okay.
00:55:25 --> 00:55:28 And she said, "Babe, what's up?" I said
00:55:28 --> 00:55:30 I said, "No, ma'am."
00:55:30 --> 00:55:33 That was just an introduction.
00:55:33 --> 00:55:37 Right. You You don't get you. Because I
00:55:37 --> 00:55:38 already know. I already know what that's
00:55:38 --> 00:55:39 like. I already know what's going to
00:55:39 --> 00:55:42 happen. Right. And so I've been asked
00:55:42 --> 00:55:44 over and over again, will you ever
00:55:44 --> 00:55:47 create a remand for women? No.
00:55:47 --> 00:55:50 Will there ever be a version of it that
00:55:50 --> 00:55:55 is for women? No. No. No. Uh this my
00:55:55 --> 00:55:57 call
00:55:57 --> 00:56:00 is to restore men. How does that work in
00:56:00 --> 00:56:02 your house? And I'm asking you that
00:56:02 --> 00:56:04 because I know with ministry and even
00:56:04 --> 00:56:07 with this, you know, I'm down here
00:56:07 --> 00:56:11 sometimes my husband may feel left out.
00:56:11 --> 00:56:13 Or I may feel like I have a piece of
00:56:14 --> 00:56:16 life that's he's not a part of. Yeah.
00:56:16 --> 00:56:18 You know, it doesn't always feel good
00:56:18 --> 00:56:19 and and I understand that. So I try to
00:56:19 --> 00:56:22 make sure that um there's always some
00:56:22 --> 00:56:24 inclusion or you know watch my show or
00:56:24 --> 00:56:25 you know I'm going to preach or
00:56:26 --> 00:56:27 something like that and I spend a lot of
00:56:27 --> 00:56:29 time preparing. Um I know that can feel
00:56:29 --> 00:56:33 absent. Yeah. Does your wife talk about
00:56:33 --> 00:56:35 how that may make her feel like she's
00:56:35 --> 00:56:36 not a part of something that you're
00:56:36 --> 00:56:42 doing? Um I don't think so. I think
00:56:42 --> 00:56:45 uh it it can it can be difficult. I'm I
00:56:45 --> 00:56:48 am now and this is what many ladies
00:56:48 --> 00:56:52 don't like to hear. Uh but wives are not
00:56:52 --> 00:56:55 first. You hear a lot of podcast say
00:56:55 --> 00:56:57 make your wife first. My wife is not
00:56:58 --> 00:57:01 first. Okay. I love my wife but my
00:57:01 --> 00:57:05 purpose is first. Okay. Before
00:57:05 --> 00:57:07 Yeah. Because think about the way that
00:57:07 --> 00:57:09 this thing is structured.
00:57:09 --> 00:57:12 Before there ever was an Eve, there was
00:57:12 --> 00:57:14 an Adam with purpose.
00:57:14 --> 00:57:18 The purpose for which Eve comes is to
00:57:18 --> 00:57:20 assist with the assignment God gave
00:57:20 --> 00:57:23 Adam. So she could never be first. Yes.
00:57:23 --> 00:57:27 And there are so many women who are
00:57:27 --> 00:57:31 battling for the the top spot. Yeah. And
00:57:31 --> 00:57:34 the top spot doesn't belong to you.
00:57:34 --> 00:57:37 Yeah. Purpose does. Purpose does. So So
00:57:37 --> 00:57:40 my wife understands
00:57:40 --> 00:57:44 my assignment is first. She is next, but
00:57:44 --> 00:57:48 she can never take the place of what God
00:57:48 --> 00:57:50 has asked me to do. And when you begin
00:57:50 --> 00:57:54 to ask men to step away from purpose to
00:57:54 --> 00:57:58 make sure that their wives are first, if
00:57:58 --> 00:58:00 he's willing to do that, run from that
00:58:00 --> 00:58:04 man. Run from him. Because if he's
00:58:04 --> 00:58:06 willing to change that, there's a whole
00:58:06 --> 00:58:08 lot of stuff he's will he's willing to
00:58:08 --> 00:58:10 compromise about himself. And he'll
00:58:10 --> 00:58:13 never be fulfilled in that way.
00:58:13 --> 00:58:15 That's deep. That's a whole other
00:58:15 --> 00:58:18 conversation now
00:58:18 --> 00:58:20 because I think I have friends who are
00:58:20 --> 00:58:21 first ladies and they, you know,
00:58:21 --> 00:58:23 struggle with that because, you know,
00:58:23 --> 00:58:25 the husband puts the ministry first and
00:58:25 --> 00:58:27 and the scripture that that's always
00:58:27 --> 00:58:29 used is that, you know, husband should
00:58:29 --> 00:58:31 love the wife like Christ loved the
00:58:31 --> 00:58:33 church, right? He loved us, but he died
00:58:33 --> 00:58:37 for it. So, you know, you should be uh
00:58:38 --> 00:58:40 everything, you know, his purpose
00:58:40 --> 00:58:42 actually. Yeah, you know, because he's
00:58:42 --> 00:58:44 going to die. He should want to die for
00:58:44 --> 00:58:46 you. A woman should respect her husband.
00:58:46 --> 00:58:48 So that's that's an interesting amazing
00:58:48 --> 00:58:50 though. Think about that scripture.
00:58:50 --> 00:58:52 Yeah. I just thought about this as you I
00:58:52 --> 00:58:54 knew I I already knew you were. So come
00:58:54 --> 00:58:56 on. Yeah. As you were speaking it out
00:58:56 --> 00:58:57 loud. Think about that scripture. That
00:58:57 --> 00:59:00 scripture is about Jesus's purpose. His
00:59:00 --> 00:59:02 purpose. Yeah. It's his about his
00:59:02 --> 00:59:04 purpose. Husband, love your wives in the
00:59:04 --> 00:59:06 same way Christ loved the church. Love
00:59:06 --> 00:59:09 the church purpose. It's it's all about
00:59:09 --> 00:59:11 Yeah. So should your wife now be your
00:59:11 --> 00:59:14 purpose? Would that with that particular
00:59:14 --> 00:59:15 So with that particular explanation in
00:59:16 --> 00:59:17 that scripture, would that then make the
00:59:17 --> 00:59:20 wife the purpose? My wife isn't my
00:59:20 --> 00:59:23 purpose. My wife is the assistant to my
00:59:23 --> 00:59:26 purpose. To your purpose. Okay. Right.
00:59:26 --> 00:59:30 So so when there is clarity around now
00:59:30 --> 00:59:35 here here's the reason why most men will
00:59:35 --> 00:59:37 never fight that issue. will never fight
00:59:37 --> 00:59:39 that issue because most men don't know
00:59:39 --> 00:59:41 their purpose.
00:59:41 --> 00:59:43 They don't know their assignment. Two
00:59:43 --> 00:59:45 fundamental questions that every man has
00:59:45 --> 00:59:47 to answer.
00:59:47 --> 00:59:51 One, who am I? That's a question of
00:59:51 --> 00:59:56 identity, right? Two, why am I? That's a
00:59:56 --> 00:59:59 question of purpose. Most men have lived
00:59:59 --> 01:00:03 their entire lives without having had
01:00:03 --> 01:00:07 answered those two questions. So, it's
01:00:07 --> 01:00:09 easy for me to make my wife my purpose
01:00:09 --> 01:00:12 when I don't understand my
01:00:12 --> 01:00:15 own, right? My wife is not my
01:00:15 --> 01:00:17 assignment. She's not my purpose. Now,
01:00:17 --> 01:00:19 do I have an assignment to her? Yes,
01:00:19 --> 01:00:21 absolutely. As her husband, the moment I
01:00:21 --> 01:00:23 said I do, I have an assignment to my
01:00:23 --> 01:00:26 wife. But my primary purpose that I was
01:00:26 --> 01:00:30 given breath by God to fulfill before
01:00:30 --> 01:00:33 the foundations of the world is to serve
01:00:33 --> 01:00:35 these men.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:38 And if there were ever a choice, this is
01:00:38 --> 01:00:40 hard to say and it's hard for anyone to
01:00:40 --> 01:00:42 hear, including my wife. If there were
01:00:42 --> 01:00:45 ever a choice that I had to make between
01:00:45 --> 01:00:48 LA and purpose, I'mma choose purpose all
01:00:48 --> 01:00:52 day.
01:00:52 --> 01:00:53 I'mma choose purpose, too. I'mma choose
01:00:53 --> 01:00:57 purpose all day. Yeah, that's deep.
01:00:57 --> 01:01:00 Because my purpose now covers my wife.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:02 As long as I'm in purpose, there's a
01:01:02 --> 01:01:05 degree of covering that I can give her.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:07 If I'm outside of purpose, there's no
01:01:08 --> 01:01:10 there's no covering that I can really
01:01:10 --> 01:01:14 give to wifey. So, so God says it's not
01:01:14 --> 01:01:17 good that man be alone. It's not good
01:01:17 --> 01:01:19 for that man to be alone. Why? I'mma
01:01:19 --> 01:01:22 make a helper for him. The the the
01:01:22 --> 01:01:25 monumental weight of purpose requires
01:01:25 --> 01:01:29 marriage. That's why that's why
01:01:29 --> 01:01:32 uh a great majority of millionaires and
01:01:32 --> 01:01:35 billionaires are
01:01:35 --> 01:01:37 married, right? You got to have someone
01:01:37 --> 01:01:40 to help you carry the assignment. So
01:01:40 --> 01:01:42 wives are not just for sex and beauty
01:01:42 --> 01:01:45 and and all of that. Marriage is for
01:01:45 --> 01:01:49 purpose. It is a kingdom mandate built
01:01:49 --> 01:01:50 for
01:01:50 --> 01:01:52 purpose. It's not built for
01:01:52 --> 01:01:54 companionship. It's not built for any of
01:01:54 --> 01:01:57 that. is built for purpose. And the
01:01:57 --> 01:02:00 moment two people come together without
01:02:00 --> 01:02:03 a specific assignment to accomplish,
01:02:03 --> 01:02:05 that is a marriage on its way to
01:02:05 --> 01:02:07 failure.
01:02:07 --> 01:02:10 That's That's a way to close the
01:02:10 --> 01:02:13 podcast. That's the way to close it. You
01:02:13 --> 01:02:14 hear my dogs going crazy. That's the way
01:02:14 --> 01:02:17 to close it. Yes. My husband's a cop. He
01:02:17 --> 01:02:19 got He's a K9. He got cop dogs. Three
01:02:19 --> 01:02:21 dogs. We got three dogs. We got We got
01:02:21 --> 01:02:23 three cops in the house. That's uh
01:02:23 --> 01:02:27 Malawas. Okay. Yeah. But that's y'all
01:02:27 --> 01:02:28 just excuse them cuz that was so good
01:02:28 --> 01:02:30 that I got to sit here and rest in it
01:02:30 --> 01:02:32 for a second. Yeah. I got But I told you
01:02:32 --> 01:02:35 the man is deep. I told you the man of
01:02:35 --> 01:02:37 revelation. That was that was good. I
01:02:37 --> 01:02:38 got to go back and watch the podcast
01:02:38 --> 01:02:40 myself. Yes. I'm about to go back and
01:02:40 --> 01:02:42 watch rewatch it when I get these little
01:02:42 --> 01:02:45 clips. I I I can't keep you know much
01:02:45 --> 01:02:48 much longer. Thank you for having me.
01:02:48 --> 01:02:51 I've just really enjoyed hanging out
01:02:51 --> 01:02:54 with you and thank your audience for
01:02:54 --> 01:02:56 listening to me. They are enjoying you,
01:02:56 --> 01:02:59 too. They all enjoying you. I'm glad you
01:02:59 --> 01:03:01 go back and read. So, what's the name of
01:03:01 --> 01:03:03 the book? So, all the women can go buy
01:03:03 --> 01:03:04 it so we can know what y'all doing over
01:03:04 --> 01:03:08 there. The remand book. If they go to
01:03:08 --> 01:03:12 uh
01:03:12 --> 01:03:14 www.wereand.com, all of our merch is
01:03:14 --> 01:03:19 there. uh hoodies and t-shirts and books
01:03:19 --> 01:03:21 and all the things are right there on
01:03:21 --> 01:03:24 the website. Perfect. Um so if they go
01:03:24 --> 01:03:26 to we are remain
01:03:26 --> 01:03:28 ran
01:03:28 --> 01:03:31 ne.com they can get all the merch there.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:33 Perfect. Perfect. So we I'm going to
01:03:33 --> 01:03:35 drop that down in the comments so we all
01:03:35 --> 01:03:37 can go and we're going to treat this
01:03:37 --> 01:03:40 book like um the book that um what's his
01:03:40 --> 01:03:43 name wrote? Act like a lady. Think like
01:03:43 --> 01:03:45 a lady, act like a man. We gonna treat
01:03:45 --> 01:03:46 this book the same way. We gonna read
01:03:46 --> 01:03:47 this. We got to see what they doing over
01:03:47 --> 01:03:49 there so we know how to act accordingly.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:52 Amen. Absolutely. Absolutely.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:54 Absolutely. I'm so churchy. Amen. Amen.
01:03:54 --> 01:03:58 Amen. Amen. I'll be at work. Amen. So, I
01:03:58 --> 01:04:01 always ask my guests to pray us out. Can
01:04:01 --> 01:04:03 you pray us out as we close out? Father,
01:04:03 --> 01:04:05 thank you for doing what you always do,
01:04:05 --> 01:04:08 and that is keep your word. the things
01:04:08 --> 01:04:10 that Lena prayed and the things that I
01:04:10 --> 01:04:13 prayed before I came on the podcast, you
01:04:14 --> 01:04:16 have fulfilled. We're not shocked by
01:04:16 --> 01:04:19 that because that's what you always do.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:22 You keep your word. So, Father, I ask
01:04:22 --> 01:04:25 that you breathe on the podcast uh that
01:04:25 --> 01:04:29 Lena has even more. Um I ask that you
01:04:29 --> 01:04:32 enter that you cause her to enter spaces
01:04:32 --> 01:04:35 and rooms that she's not even dreamed
01:04:35 --> 01:04:37 she would enter. introduce her to people
01:04:38 --> 01:04:41 that can take her further. Use favor uh
01:04:41 --> 01:04:43 your p their power, their ability, and
01:04:43 --> 01:04:46 their influence on her behalf. Thank you
01:04:46 --> 01:04:49 that whatever her heart's desire is, the
01:04:49 --> 01:04:51 only reason that she has the desire is
01:04:51 --> 01:04:53 because you gave it to her. Now, help
01:04:53 --> 01:04:55 her to fulfill that desire. And Father,
01:04:55 --> 01:04:57 out of all the things that we said
01:04:57 --> 01:05:00 tonight for today, let everything that
01:05:00 --> 01:05:02 we said be done decently in order, but
01:05:02 --> 01:05:05 most of all, allow it, filter it to your
01:05:05 --> 01:05:08 glory. We give your name praise. In the
01:05:08 --> 01:05:11 strong name of Jesus, we pray. Amen.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:14 Amen. Amen. Amen. I'mma get
01:05:14 --> 01:05:17 my mouse going while I say goodbye to
01:05:17 --> 01:05:19 all of you. For all of you that want to
01:05:19 --> 01:05:21 know Dr. uh more information, I will
01:05:21 --> 01:05:23 make sure that you have it in the
01:05:23 --> 01:05:25 comments so you can leave messages if
01:05:25 --> 01:05:27 you want to inquire about his services
01:05:27 --> 01:05:29 for your sons, your husbands, your
01:05:29 --> 01:05:31 uncles, and the men of your community.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:33 And like I always say, always pray.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:34 Don't forget your prayer time. Little
01:05:34 --> 01:05:36 prayer, a little power, a lot of prayer,
01:05:36 --> 01:05:37 a lot of power. We just thank you for
01:05:38 --> 01:05:40 coming on tonight. And go back, watch
01:05:40 --> 01:05:42 the replay so that you don't miss one
01:05:42 --> 01:05:43 thing. And as we leave, y'all already
01:05:44 --> 01:05:48 know I'mma put y'all in the water.