In this episode of "Talk To Me, Michele," dive deep into the complexities of friendship dilemmas intertwined with personal ethics as Michele offers straightforward advice to a listener grappling with a friend's questionable actions. Explore the intricate overlap of historical pain and modern-day intimacy, as Michele unpacks the psychology and emotions intertwined with racially charged language used in private settings. With an eye on consent and the weight of historical context, Michele invites listeners to join her in a thoughtful exploration of human desires while maintaining the candid, humorous tone listeners love. Tune in for honesty, empathy, and a touch of sass!
00:00:00 --> 00:00:25 Music.
00:00:24 --> 00:00:27 Welcome to another episode of Talk To Me, Michelle. I'm your host,
00:00:27 --> 00:00:32 Michelle, with that one L. What's good, everybody? I hope everybody's doing well.
00:00:32 --> 00:00:36 We all grown up in this piece. I'm black and unbothered unless I have to be.
00:00:36 --> 00:00:39 That's just my attitude. So I appreciate you guys tuning in.
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00:00:54 --> 00:00:57 Let me know why you like the show, the topics, the tone, and all that other
00:00:57 --> 00:00:59 good stuff, all right? Let me know.
00:00:59 --> 00:01:03 But, you know, I've also opened the doors up to my listeners to send me some
00:01:03 --> 00:01:05 letters and also topic suggestions.
00:01:05 --> 00:01:09 And I got another letter this week. This one is very, very juicy.
00:01:09 --> 00:01:15 And I've actually been in this woman's shoes before, okay? So let's get into it.
00:01:14 --> 00:01:21 Music.
00:01:21 --> 00:01:24 Dear michelle i need straight up advice because
00:01:24 --> 00:01:29 i'm done sugarcoating how i feel i had a friend who would constantly cry about
00:01:29 --> 00:01:34 being single saying she prayed for god to send her a good man she made it sound
00:01:34 --> 00:01:38 like she was waiting patiently and doing everything the right way meanwhile
00:01:38 --> 00:01:43 behind the scenes she was messing around with a married man and she didn't even feel bad about it.
00:01:43 --> 00:01:47 She's out here asking God for a blessing while disrespecting someone else's
00:01:47 --> 00:01:52 whole marriage and somehow she still believes she deserves a husband of her own.
00:01:52 --> 00:01:57 Like what she's doing doesn't matter. The level of denial and hypocrisy is unbelievable.
00:01:58 --> 00:02:02 At this point I've completely lost respect for her. I don't even feel like I
00:02:02 --> 00:02:03 know who she really is anymore.
00:02:04 --> 00:02:07 Keeping her around feels like enabling behavior I don't agree with
00:02:07 --> 00:02:10 and honestly it makes me question her character in every
00:02:10 --> 00:02:13 other area too would it be worth confronting her
00:02:13 --> 00:02:16 or should i just cut her off without saying another word and leave
00:02:16 --> 00:02:19 her to whatever her consequences brings her i'm tired
00:02:19 --> 00:02:22 of pretending everything's okay when it's not i just need
00:02:22 --> 00:02:25 a little honest advice on how i should move on without wasting my
00:02:25 --> 00:02:28 time or energy sincerely done with drama
00:02:28 --> 00:02:31 all right i'm gonna grab my reading glasses
00:02:31 --> 00:02:34 and something that rhymes with fine because
00:02:34 --> 00:02:38 this letter right here is a whole soap opera it really
00:02:38 --> 00:02:41 is uh done with drama i'm gonna
00:02:41 --> 00:02:44 first of all say bless your heart because you stumbled
00:02:44 --> 00:02:47 upon a classic case of someone wanting a
00:02:47 --> 00:02:50 cake eating someone else's cake and then
00:02:50 --> 00:02:54 wondering why the bakery isn't delivering them free cake the audacity out here
00:02:54 --> 00:02:58 is it's real and it's something to behold and i'm gonna let you know something
00:02:58 --> 00:03:03 you're not wrong this isn't just a little white lie it's a full-blown backstage
00:03:03 --> 00:03:07 tangle with someone who's already promised their dance card to somebody else.
00:03:07 --> 00:03:12 And that prayer bit, the irony is thicker than Texas humidity in August.
00:03:13 --> 00:03:17 It's like robbing a bank and then asking the teller to pray for your financial success.
00:03:17 --> 00:03:23 It don't match, okay? So you're standing at the crossroads right about now and
00:03:23 --> 00:03:24 asking yourself, should you stay or should you go?
00:03:25 --> 00:03:28 Honestly, my gut is saying what your gut is saying, okay?
00:03:30 --> 00:03:34 Louder than a toddler who's been denied a cookie, you've already lost respect
00:03:34 --> 00:03:37 for the friendship. It's gone. You don't recognize her.
00:03:38 --> 00:03:40 Hypocrisy is giving you a headache,
00:03:40 --> 00:03:44 and these are all flashing neon signs pointing toward the exit door.
00:03:44 --> 00:03:47 Why bother confronting her? Because that's going to be a losing battle.
00:03:47 --> 00:03:52 You know, people who are that deep in denial have built Fort Knox around their delusions.
00:03:52 --> 00:03:56 You might get a temporary crack in the foundation, right? Patch it up,
00:03:56 --> 00:03:58 but trust me, you're going to need a whole construction crew to re-put that
00:03:58 --> 00:04:00 together because you're going to be out of breath,
00:04:01 --> 00:04:04 drained emotionally, because when you confront them,
00:04:04 --> 00:04:08 it's going to be some tears, it's going to be some deflection, maybe even
00:04:08 --> 00:04:11 her trying to flip the script on you trying to make
00:04:11 --> 00:04:14 you the bad guy for not being supportive so is it
00:04:14 --> 00:04:16 worth it absolutely not your time and your
00:04:16 --> 00:04:19 energy are precious commodities that you
00:04:19 --> 00:04:22 know our time and energy for women is like
00:04:22 --> 00:04:25 a good pair of spanks on a bloated day you know
00:04:25 --> 00:04:29 what i mean so don't waste them on somebody who's already operating
00:04:29 --> 00:04:32 in a different moral universe so my advice
00:04:32 --> 00:04:35 or at least what i would do i would take a page out
00:04:35 --> 00:04:38 of beyonce's playbook and say boy bye a clean
00:04:38 --> 00:04:41 swift cut no lengthy explanation needed
00:04:41 --> 00:04:44 you've already done the emotional labor of processing her behavior
00:04:44 --> 00:04:49 and she's showing you who she is and i always say when people show you who they
00:04:49 --> 00:04:55 are believe them so if you need to unfriend unfollow maybe even save your space
00:04:55 --> 00:05:00 to get rid of anything lingering of that single and desperate with secretly
00:05:00 --> 00:05:02 scandal vibes out of your space.
00:05:02 --> 00:05:05 So let her navigate the consequences of her choices.
00:05:05 --> 00:05:10 Karma has a way of showing up uninvited to even the most exclusive pity parties.
00:05:11 --> 00:05:17 So surround yourself with people who have similar morals, who operate with honesty and integrity.
00:05:17 --> 00:05:21 So those are the kind of friends who prayers align with their actions.
00:05:21 --> 00:05:22 Those are the people you need to be around.
00:05:22 --> 00:05:25 Just embrace the peace that comes with letting go of toxic relationships.
00:05:25 --> 00:05:27 And I promise you, it is so worth it.
00:05:28 --> 00:05:31 You got better things to do to be a spectator than somebody else's drama.
00:05:32 --> 00:05:36 Trust your instincts. Just walk away. You'll thank yourself later. You got it.
00:05:39 --> 00:05:42 All right i'm gonna shift gears and get into the topic of
00:05:42 --> 00:05:45 the episode because i'm about to go deep i mean deep
00:05:45 --> 00:05:48 sea diver deep okay the kind of deep that might
00:05:48 --> 00:05:52 make some of y'all squirm in your seats clutch your imaginary church fans but
00:05:52 --> 00:05:57 stay with me because i want to unpack a real grown folks topic on why some black
00:05:57 --> 00:06:04 men might bring words like a big black just the racially motivated words okay
00:06:04 --> 00:06:06 into the bedroom. Y'all know what I'm talking about.
00:06:07 --> 00:06:11 Now, don't hit pause just yet. It's not a judgment zone. I'm not here to shame
00:06:11 --> 00:06:14 anybody for their kinks, you know, or call people out.
00:06:14 --> 00:06:20 I'm here just to unpack the reason behind it, the layers, the psychology, the history of it all.
00:06:20 --> 00:06:25 Now, you know the internet be interneted? And recently, a person in the spotlight
00:06:25 --> 00:06:31 has been sued by a woman that they had a little thing going with each other, right?
00:06:31 --> 00:06:35 But the language during their conversations because
00:06:35 --> 00:06:38 audio has been exposed online text messages and
00:06:38 --> 00:06:41 there's language in there that I was just cringing to because
00:06:41 --> 00:06:44 the lady is Caucasian the the person
00:06:44 --> 00:06:47 in question is black and you know there are
00:06:47 --> 00:06:50 terms like put a big black baby in me or big
00:06:50 --> 00:06:53 black guy chokes out small white woman is you know terms like
00:06:53 --> 00:06:56 that and I'm like okay why are you endorsing it's like
00:06:56 --> 00:07:00 a racial situation going on in that you know that's
00:07:00 --> 00:07:02 they kink if that's they kink that's they kink but when it comes out
00:07:02 --> 00:07:05 in public like ew so i want
00:07:05 --> 00:07:08 to be clear this episode isn't about pointing fingers at anybody labeling
00:07:08 --> 00:07:11 anybody it's about asking real questions like how
00:07:11 --> 00:07:14 do generational trauma identity and desire mix
00:07:14 --> 00:07:17 up behind closed doors what's the fantasy what's
00:07:17 --> 00:07:23 the pain where do we draw the line we're talking nuisance not nonsense all right
00:07:23 --> 00:07:27 so let's get into the history and the hurt now you heard that right i did say
00:07:27 --> 00:07:31 history and hurt and let's not tiptoe around it like we're avoiding a patch
00:07:31 --> 00:07:36 of wet floor with our good stockings on we're talking about slavery and racism.
00:07:37 --> 00:07:40 I'm going to be crystal clear right from the jump. We can't even begin to unpack
00:07:40 --> 00:07:45 this topic without naming the sheer, unadulterated horror of it all.
00:07:45 --> 00:07:50 Because slavery wasn't some little quaint historical footnote. It was brutality.
00:07:51 --> 00:07:55 It was systematic dehumanization of human beings. It was about absolute control,
00:07:56 --> 00:07:59 the violations of bodies, the tearing apart of families.
00:07:59 --> 00:08:03 And yes, let's not flinch away from the ugliness of it. It was about rape.
00:08:03 --> 00:08:08 That, my friends, is the stark and brutal historical backdrop against what we
00:08:08 --> 00:08:10 are having this conversation on.
00:08:10 --> 00:08:13 There's no sugar coating. There's no matrix pill for you.
00:08:13 --> 00:08:18 And that's precisely why the whole idea of even hearing terms like big black
00:08:18 --> 00:08:22 baby tossed around in sexual context can be like a punch to the gut for so many.
00:08:22 --> 00:08:24 It's not just a term. It's a trigger.
00:08:25 --> 00:08:30 It's a stark reminder of the past that continues to cast a long, dark shadow.
00:08:30 --> 00:08:35 It can dredge up the trauma, you know what I mean? Feelings of vulnerability
00:08:35 --> 00:08:37 and a deep sense of offense.
00:08:37 --> 00:08:43 It's like someone casually using the name of a disease that ravaged your family, and that cuts deep.
00:08:43 --> 00:08:47 So I'm going to set the ground rules right here and now, because this is not
00:08:47 --> 00:08:51 some Jerry Springer episode where we're going to gawk and point fingers. We're all grown.
00:08:51 --> 00:08:56 This conversation is about thoughtful exploration. It's about trying to understand
00:08:56 --> 00:08:59 the complex and frankly disturbing phenomenon. on.
00:08:59 --> 00:09:05 Disrespect, immaturity, we're leaving it all at the door with our muddy shoes.
00:09:05 --> 00:09:07 We're aiming for maturity, empathy,
00:09:07 --> 00:09:10 and a genuine attempt to unpack this without causing further hurt.
00:09:10 --> 00:09:15 Trust me, there's been enough hurt to go around already. So take a deep breath with me.
00:09:15 --> 00:09:19 We're going to navigate this with respect and seriousness.
00:09:20 --> 00:09:23 So let's get into the motivations of psychology a little bit.
00:09:23 --> 00:09:27 This is where things get a little less black and white, a whole lot more human.
00:09:28 --> 00:09:32 Now, part of the motivation and psychology behind it is power reversal.
00:09:32 --> 00:09:37 You know, some folks, bless their complex hearts, might see it as flipping the script in the bedroom.
00:09:38 --> 00:09:42 Like, you tried to control us at one point, right? So now I'm the one calling the shots.
00:09:43 --> 00:09:46 Even if it's just pretending, is it misguided?
00:09:46 --> 00:09:51 A GPS that sends you to Oklahoma when you were trying to get to Houston, that's misguided.
00:09:52 --> 00:09:56 But trying to understand where that urge comes from, it's worth a peek under the hood.
00:09:57 --> 00:10:01 Maybe it's about finding a sense of agency in one place that they feel they
00:10:01 --> 00:10:05 have it, even if it's tangled up in some thorny historical vines.
00:10:05 --> 00:10:09 Then we got taboo and transition. This is what get people's motors going.
00:10:10 --> 00:10:14 It's a certain thrill in doing what feels a little naughty, right?
00:10:14 --> 00:10:19 But when we're talking about race, the naughty meter goes off the charts and
00:10:19 --> 00:10:21 into dangerous territory.
00:10:21 --> 00:10:24 You know, because sometimes you could be harmless. Oh, you're so bad,
00:10:24 --> 00:10:26 baby. You know, you can stop doing that.
00:10:26 --> 00:10:31 In another context, it carries a whole damn history book of pain when race gets thrown in the mix.
00:10:31 --> 00:10:35 The stakes aren't just getting higher. They're in a whole different atmosphere.
00:10:36 --> 00:10:41 So let's bring up internalized racism. We need to really tread lightly here
00:10:41 --> 00:10:45 because we're walking through a room full of antique teacups.
00:10:45 --> 00:10:50 Sometimes we think we want ain't really ours. It's what we've been taught to
00:10:50 --> 00:10:53 want, often in ways we don't even realize.
00:10:53 --> 00:10:58 Sometimes through whispers of shame, the sting of pain, and constant drip of
00:10:58 --> 00:11:04 negativity in images and media, it has a way of planting itself into our desires
00:11:04 --> 00:11:06 in a sneaky, unconscious way.
00:11:06 --> 00:11:10 It's like growing up only seeing one kind of flower and thinking that's the
00:11:10 --> 00:11:12 only kind of beautiful flower there is.
00:11:12 --> 00:11:16 And there is a difference between sexual fantasy versus reality.
00:11:17 --> 00:11:22 Our brains are weird in wonderful places. And what goes in our heads during
00:11:22 --> 00:11:25 a moment of fantasy doesn't always reflect our actual beliefs out in the world.
00:11:26 --> 00:11:30 But, and this is a big but, when those fantasies are rooted in something that's
00:11:30 --> 00:11:35 loaded with racial trauma, they still carry weight. They still have a meaning.
00:11:36 --> 00:11:39 It's like dreaming that you're falling, even though you're safe in bed.
00:11:39 --> 00:11:41 Then there's the media and porn influence.
00:11:42 --> 00:11:46 You can't flip through a TV network, scroll online without seeing some kind
00:11:46 --> 00:11:51 of harmful stereotype being pushed in your face, something sexual being pushed
00:11:51 --> 00:11:53 in your face. And it's constant.
00:11:54 --> 00:11:56 I mean, it's a constant repetition.
00:11:56 --> 00:12:01 That's like a leaky faucet, slowly conditioning what folks think is normally even sexy.
00:12:02 --> 00:12:05 It's garbage in and garbage out, like my grandmother used to say.
00:12:06 --> 00:12:10 And lastly, this idea of conquering trauma by playing with it, right?
00:12:10 --> 00:12:14 And lastly, that idea of conquering trauma by playing it out.
00:12:14 --> 00:12:18 People think that they're wrestling their demons, trying to take ownership of
00:12:18 --> 00:12:20 the pain by acting it out, right?
00:12:20 --> 00:12:22 But that's like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.
00:12:23 --> 00:12:29 It can so easily backfire and re-traumatize you, and it just digs a deeper hole.
00:12:29 --> 00:12:32 Sometimes the best way to deal with pain is just to acknowledge it,
00:12:33 --> 00:12:37 heal from it, and then leave it behind you. Now listen up, because this is where
00:12:37 --> 00:12:41 I draw a big fat line in the sand with a big sparkly marker.
00:12:42 --> 00:12:46 Consent is everything. We say it again. Consent is everything.
00:12:46 --> 00:12:51 And I don't just mean a mumbled okay while someone's fumbling with a belt buckle.
00:12:51 --> 00:12:55 I'm talking about a full-bodied, enthusiastic yes that comes from a place of
00:12:55 --> 00:12:58 emotional, spiritual, and yes, sexual alignment.
00:12:59 --> 00:13:04 If both people aren't fully in it, I mean their hearts, their minds,
00:13:04 --> 00:13:06 their very souls, then it's not role play.
00:13:07 --> 00:13:11 It's a potential train wreck that's more than likely to re-up some trauma.
00:13:11 --> 00:13:13 It's just waiting to happen.
00:13:13 --> 00:13:17 You can't just slap consensual label on something that's dripping with historical
00:13:17 --> 00:13:19 pain and expected to be all good.
00:13:19 --> 00:13:24 Now, even if they give you a very enthusiastic yes, you have to acknowledge
00:13:24 --> 00:13:27 the potential triggers that's going to come with that territory.
00:13:27 --> 00:13:33 Some words, some concepts that carry weight that no amount of enthusiasm can fully erase.
00:13:33 --> 00:13:37 It's like agreeing to hold a hot potato. Even if you're okay with it,
00:13:37 --> 00:13:41 you are still going to get burned. Because language matters, right?
00:13:42 --> 00:13:47 Words aren't just little puffs of air that disappear. When they carry centuries
00:13:47 --> 00:13:48 of pain, they have an echo.
00:13:48 --> 00:13:53 Even whispered in the most intimate setting, they resonate outside the bedroom walls.
00:13:54 --> 00:13:57 They tap into a collective history, a shared wound, and it's like trying to
00:13:57 --> 00:14:02 have a quiet conversation in a room where historical reenactments of tragedy is playing out.
00:14:02 --> 00:14:04 The background is noisy.
00:14:05 --> 00:14:08 And this is why I'm going to give you some, you know, no-nonsense advice.
00:14:08 --> 00:14:14 Talk first, touch later. If your fantasies involve anything that could potentially
00:14:14 --> 00:14:20 be loaded with triggering traumatic experiences or just playing weird for your partner,
00:14:21 --> 00:14:24 you need to have a real honest conversation about it.
00:14:24 --> 00:14:27 Not in the heat of the moment. You know, I'm not talking about when somebody's
00:14:27 --> 00:14:29 already halfway undressed and they start feeling awkward.
00:14:30 --> 00:14:34 Talk about it over some coffee. Go for a walk. Have a grown folk conversation.
00:14:35 --> 00:14:39 And if you can't be comfortable with saying what you want over a little latte,
00:14:39 --> 00:14:41 then maybe you shouldn't even consider it.
00:14:42 --> 00:14:45 You know what I mean? If you can't express it, then don't do it.
00:14:46 --> 00:14:49 And finally, let's not fool ourselves into thinking that what happens behind
00:14:49 --> 00:14:52 closed doors is an isolated bubble.
00:14:52 --> 00:14:56 Just because it's private doesn't mean it's disconnected from culture.
00:14:56 --> 00:15:00 Our desires, our fantasies, they're all shaped by the world we live in.
00:15:01 --> 00:15:06 Ignoring the historical and social context of something as charges racial language,
00:15:06 --> 00:15:10 even in intimacy, that's like pretending the ocean doesn't exist because you
00:15:10 --> 00:15:14 live in a submarine, but it's still around you. It has a major impact in your life.
00:15:15 --> 00:15:20 So let's be ethical. Let's be emotionally intelligent. Let's remember that intimacy
00:15:20 --> 00:15:25 should be about connection and pleasure, not unknowingly stepping on landmines of historical pain.
00:15:26 --> 00:15:31 Talk it out, be respectful, and please make sure everyone involved is truly
00:15:31 --> 00:15:32 wholeheartedly on board.
00:15:33 --> 00:15:38 Anything less, that's not love. That's just a recipe of hurt waiting to happen.
00:15:38 --> 00:15:42 So through this journey, a very thorny journey of territory.
00:15:43 --> 00:15:46 We have to settle in for reflection and
00:15:46 --> 00:15:48 wrap up okay this is the part where we're going to try to make a little
00:15:48 --> 00:15:52 sense of the beautiful messy and sometimes downright perplexing
00:15:52 --> 00:15:56 landscape of human desire now if you were hoping for some easy black and white
00:15:56 --> 00:16:01 answer for this whole thing i hate to disappoint you because life especially
00:16:01 --> 00:16:05 when it comes to the human heart that's where it gets tricky so of course there
00:16:05 --> 00:16:09 are no easy answers and like i said it's not about pointing fingers and declaring
00:16:09 --> 00:16:11 who's right or who's wrong in the bedroom.
00:16:11 --> 00:16:14 But it's about something much more important about being cautious,
00:16:14 --> 00:16:18 being aware of the history, the potential hurt, and the weight of certain words
00:16:18 --> 00:16:20 and ideas that still carry on.
00:16:23 --> 00:16:27 So what did we unpack today? We dove headfirst into a complex and often uncomfortable
00:16:27 --> 00:16:33 topic of why some black men might engage in racist foreplay or wordplay during intimacy.
00:16:34 --> 00:16:37 I laid out the groundwork by acknowledging the brutal history of slavery and
00:16:37 --> 00:16:41 racism, and even when the words associated with it can be deeply painful and triggering.
00:16:42 --> 00:16:45 Remember, this isn't about language, it's about historical trauma.
00:16:46 --> 00:16:50 And we explored some of the potential and often complex and even misguided motivations
00:16:50 --> 00:16:56 behind this, including twisted ideas of power reversal, the lure of taboo,
00:16:56 --> 00:17:01 the impact of internalized racism, the difference between fantasy and reality,
00:17:01 --> 00:17:03 the influence of harmful media
00:17:03 --> 00:17:07 and the flawed notion of conquering trauma through roleplay. It's messy.
00:17:08 --> 00:17:11 And understanding why doesn't equal condoning it.
00:17:11 --> 00:17:18 And the absolute non-negotiable consent. It has to be enthusiastic and well-informed on all levels.
00:17:18 --> 00:17:23 We also stressed about the potential for triggering, the vital importance of
00:17:23 --> 00:17:28 talking it out before touching, and the fact that even private acts have public implications.
00:17:29 --> 00:17:35 Ultimately, there is no easy answers. This is about conscious awareness,
00:17:35 --> 00:17:39 fostering thoughtful conversations, not shouting matches, questioning without
00:17:39 --> 00:17:43 judgment, and really digging deep into where your desires come from.
00:17:43 --> 00:17:47 So your homework, should you choose to accept it, is to think about power of
00:17:47 --> 00:17:53 language, the weight of history, and the importance of ethical and emotional intelligent intimacy.
00:17:53 --> 00:17:59 Have those conversations, be thoughtful, and let's all strive for deeper understanding and respect.
00:18:00 --> 00:18:04 All right, that's going to do it for this episode. You know where to find your
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00:18:54 --> 00:18:57 Until next episode, my loves, take care of yourselves, be good to each other,
00:18:57 --> 00:19:00 and remember to keep it real. Peace, I'm out.
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