Ep 380: Building Trust in the Black Community

[00:00:00] Liquor Talk, ladies and gentlemen, another episode coming at you right now. I'm your man Vic. Pour it up for another episode of the Liquor Talk podcast where we just don't sip liquor. We stir the culture. We have the conversations that you don't want to have while sipping on some good drink. I'm your man Victor holding it down in Florida. My guest today, I got a doctor in the house, ladies and gentlemen. Dr. Brian Arnold is here from the Journey to Freedom podcast.

[00:00:27] By way of Podmatch, shout out to our friends at Podmatch for providing this guest once. Join us from Denver, Colorado. I'm like man, I know it's probably cold as hell there. We still in June. But Dr. Arnold, how are you doing today brother? You know, I am doing so fantastic. It is a beautiful day here. We don't ever hardly get over 100 degrees so that makes it nice. But we also get pretty cold too. But this year we had the worst winter ever.

[00:00:52] You know, as far as not having a winter. I didn't shovel the driveway one time during this winter. Just like you in Tampa, you did have to shovel. I didn't have to shovel. But it didn't get too cold. But now we in a drought. So we got to conserve water and all that kind of stuff because it didn't rain. Snowed up in the mountains, but California, Arizona gets most of our water. It comes off the backside mountain. And you know, how many people in Phoenix?

[00:01:20] How many people in LA? So they get a lot of our water. So that's all. Yeah. Oh, I understand. Not to mention it just rained here today. I don't know if make it feel any worse, but hey, it was raining hard today here in Florida. So we got the rain that y'all probably should've got. Yeah. But you also got that humidity this time of year, right after it rained, right? You go out there and you take it a bit. Yes. Oh! Yes. That humidity. I had people from California asking me, how do you deal with the humidity?

[00:01:48] I'm like, hey, I'm a Florida man. So I just find a way to deal with it. It is what you know, right? It's what you know. And it's funny that Denver is even drier than California. So we don't know nothing. All you do, if you come to here, just bring some lotion. That's all I'm going to tell you. You come to Colorado and visit, just bring you some lotion. You said bring some lotion. Bring some lotion. I will definitely keep that in mind. Yeah. Talk to me about the Journey to Freedom podcast. Tell what your podcast it's all about.

[00:02:14] Yeah. No, this is a fun one to talk about because I'm enjoying it, doing it so much. And so what I did is I think 2023, I went to this event. It was called the trust leadership event by a guy named David Horsager, who does this stuff on trusting and why we trust and how to begin with trust and with trust and how trust is everything. And it was some really good stuff. 500 people in the room. Of course, I count. There's 30 of the folks that look like us in the room.

[00:02:43] And I'm going, why are we not getting this information? And we think about it, you know, our culture, we don't trust each other. We don't trust ourselves. We don't trust our women. We don't we don't just trust. And so how do we develop trust? And I'm like, this is such good stuff. Let me come back and start doing something. So I came back and started doing some focus groups and started doing some little bit of coaching. And I decided I needed to do a podcast because I said I need to get some folks of color to get to know this information and know what's going on.

[00:03:13] And I said, I want you to do a black man. I'm like, I don't want to do black men. Black men sometimes are hard to talk to because they are hard headed. I'm sure everybody else is, too. But we just tend to be hard headed. Right. And so I started the podcast. You know, I'm going to do 100 this year. I didn't know what it meant to do 100 podcasts. I have no idea what that meant. So I just started doing them and ended up doing 105 of black men that are all over the country that are doing something. They're making a difference. They're making an impact.

[00:03:38] And I started having fun doing it. We're about 290 episodes now that we have done all black men all doing stuff. I mean, different walks of life. I have attorneys who went to jail for robbing banks. And I have a gentleman who was in Chicago. It's so sad because he was he got exonerated after 19 years for a murder charge. And he was in jail the day the murder happened and still spent 19 years.

[00:04:06] Yeah, that brother is so I mean, he's just he's so humble. He's like, I just forgive him. I'm like, I don't I would just want to be taken out the world 19 years of my life, God, because and I knew I was in jail when it happened. And, you know, so I got folks I did. I talked about doing my own golden. He's on one of them. I did a running to vote from new edition, you know, some of the more famous people, a bunch of athletes and more importantly,

[00:04:32] just common folks that are making a difference in their communities that are out there, you know, saying, hey, wait a minute. I am a good dad. You know, I have a beautiful wife. And, you know, you know, how many of the folks you can imagine that grew up with single moms, you know, and what that meant. And then, you know, how how that structured their life and the relationships with their wives.

[00:04:55] And, you know, I had a guy who said, oh, my son's going to go to an Ivy League and I leave league school when he grows up and he's going to he's going to be a CEO of a company. And that was his drive. By the time that kid was three, that child knew three languages. He traveled all over the world. He made sure that his kid, kids, goes to Brown University, ends up getting played soccer in Brazil, comes back on the on the engineering company right now.

[00:05:22] And then I got to interview the son. What was it like to grow up with the dad who decided this is what you're going to do before you were even born? So those all those different conversations that we don't think about doctors and attorneys, you know, folks that we say, well, and the big thing for me. And I'll share this with you. You can ask some more questions. But when I went there, I said it doesn't matter to see people who look like me doing something.

[00:05:47] And I said, I can do anything I want to do. I can get my dog and do it doesn't matter because I have I can do anything in this world. That's my mom taught me. And then what I realized is every room I go into, I count. So you can't tell me you don't matter if I'm counting how many of us are in rooms, how many of us are getting exposure, how many of us are doing stuff. Of course, you know, I do that same thing. I do that same thing. I'm like, you know, I be in these different spaces.

[00:06:10] I'm like, how many black folks aren't here? You know, it's like and sometimes I find that one or two black people, that's the one I'm connected with, talk to the whole time. So I totally get that. And what you're saying about the dad is like, he sounds like a dictator, but I'm saying you won't want things for your son. But my pushback would be what if your son doesn't want that for himself? I feel like you just got to be happy for whatever your child wants to do in their life instead of living up to your expectations.

[00:06:37] You know, it was a really interesting conversation because when I did talk to the son, you know, because I thought the same thing. I'm like, what was that like? Because you had to do all these things. And he said, you know what? I got experiences. He said, I actually had more free time than I thought I would have. You know, like, you know, he said he went to public high school. You know, he went to you know, he had friends. He went to football games. He played sports. He did all the things that we had. But he still was just, I guess, the expat station on his life was he would learn.

[00:07:05] I don't know if dad had decided that he what what job he was going to have, but he decided he was going to have the opportunity to do it. And so it's kind of just an interesting, you know. So it sounds like, you know, I picture somebody from some of the movies that's whipping you all the time because you ain't getting your homework done. And he said it wasn't he said it wasn't like that. He said, yeah, he didn't know any better. He didn't know he didn't know that he wasn't supposed to come home and spend an hour and hour and have a homework and get it done and then go play and that kind of stuff.

[00:07:35] Just what I thought it was. And it's like like you were talking about, you know, all I knew was Florida. You know, how else would I know what other humidity is like or what's the living if I haven't done it? So it's just part of who I am. So I was I was presently surprised after talking to the son because I thought the son was going to be like, oh, I had to do this. He said, no, I got to go. I got to go live in Brazil and play professional soccer when everybody else was in college because I'd already finished it.

[00:08:00] So I'm 27 years old, you know, all he did with college and going to go play, you know, a game of sport that so many people in the world would die to be able to play. And he got to go do it at a young age. So, yeah. So, yeah, that's wonderful. And I know the side and I feel bad for the world having to come to the United States because don't feel like the United States is all being all welcoming to people in certain countries, you know,

[00:08:27] because, you know, we got the World Cup coming, but it's like some cities, some places don't feel like they're welcoming and really rolling out the red carpet. Oh, no, it's going to be. Oh, my gosh. When you think about that and all the people coming and you think about the Olympics coming back to L.A., you know, 2028 and you're going, have you seen L.A. lately? You know, but I bet it's going to be clean and clean buildings, no graffiti, no trash. Oh, everywhere they're going to be, it's going to be clean. They're going to make sure they're going to roll it out.

[00:08:56] And I'm like, they ain't going to take them to Compton. They ain't going to take them to Watts. Nope, nope. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So, so, so fun. And just, you know, being able to do that podcast and, you know, over the time I started another one called Living Boldly with Purpose. And so that was pretty much if you weren't a black man, then you wasn't coming on Journey to Freedom.

[00:09:17] So I've been keeping that as pure as I possibly can. But the Journey to Living Boldly with Purpose is so fun because now I get to interview a whole bunch of other people. Now, what I did do as a part of a spinoff of the Journey to Freedom is I did one called Why Love Waits. I got a panel of black men and black, by black women. And we were talking about why is the, what is the issue with why black women don't like black men or don't want to be around black men or don't, you know,

[00:09:46] or black men don't want to be around, you know, black women. And what is those issues that go on? And it was so interesting to me because I had never even thought about that young black women are taught not to trust black men. They are taught from a young age that, no, you need to have your own separate bank account. These are the things that you need to watch out for. These are the things that you have to, you'll hide yourself and protect yourself and do all these.

[00:10:13] When you think about how great a marriage can be, if both people together, but if you started off learning that you can't trust the person that you're going to spend the rest of your life with, then you're working your whole life to figure out, should I trust them or should I not? And so it's really interesting hearing some of the, you know, and the black women's, you know, beliefs of, you know, hey, how come all of my guys are hanging out with white women? Do they really treat you that much better? And the guys are going like, you know, so, you know,

[00:10:43] Yeah, because a lot of them women, a lot of them other races of women, I hate to say this, but a lot of those other races of women, they don't want to lose that income. They don't want to lose that hustle, you know? So of course they're going to do whatever it takes. And then, because I've had some of those same conversations with black women as well on this podcast. And I really got to learn what they went through and stuff. And you learn a lot about, because a lot of parents be teaching their kids what they went through and say what they don't have to go through.

[00:11:10] So, but what I've learned as an adult is there's some things you just got to unlearn. There are some habits you have to unlearn. You know, there's a whole lot of habits that you must unlearn. Yeah. So out of the podcast, we also decided to do a trip. And so last year we took 18 black men and 10 white men, and we went down to Alabama to do a civil rights tour, as well as a transformational, you know, time together where we could learn, you know, hey, what is going on with relationships?

[00:11:39] What's going on with race and that kind of stuff? And we had a great guy came in, Jeff Campbell, that came in and kind of led it. And so for the first three days, because it's a four-day trip, the first three days, we're just getting to know each other. We're getting to know our cultures. We're getting to know, you know, for us as black men, we've lived in white culture for so long that we know how to switch, coach, switch, do all the things we got to do to get along. But for those white men that came in and had no clue what the culture was like.

[00:12:07] So we started out, we started out in Birmingham and we went on this tour. And this is this really cool white dude named Clay who takes us around that. He's just learned everything that he can learn and taking us to different spots. And, you know, yeah, you go to the 16th Street Church and more stuff happened. But when we went to some back places and some houses and shuttle wars house that got bombed and all that kind of stuff. But the sad part about it is, is he said at the end of the tour, he says, I wish I could tell you I have hope.

[00:12:35] But I don't have hope because, you know, because of the way it still feels like you're in 1970 when you're in Birmingham. And we said, well, why don't you leave, Clay? He said, because if good people don't stay here, there won't be nobody left. You know, and you just go, oh my gosh. Then you go to the restaurant and you go, well, you know, I see a waiter, a waitress that I'm asking him, how much do you make an hour? And they're telling me because, you know, because they're supposed to get tips, but there's not enough people to get tips, but they make $2.20 an hour.

[00:13:04] I said, wait a minute, it's $2.20. I said, $2.25 right now. What do you mean you're making $2.20 an hour? He says, yeah, I make about $400 a month. I said, does a loaf of bread cost $0.25? You look at all the milk, it costs a quarter every time. Well, how do you do that? How do you make that? And so you learn about that. And then we went down to the Selma to go over the Pettis Bridge. You know, still trying to figure out why it's called the Pettis Bridge, still not the

[00:13:31] John Lewis Bridge, but that's for another story. And so we walk over that and we spend some more time with each other and just kind of going through what happened back then. And then the next day we go down to Montgomery. And I don't know if you've ever been to the Legacy Museum that Bryan Stevenson put together. But I've been to the one in Washington, D.C., which is the Black History Museum. And that one's kind of sad.

[00:13:57] You got Beyonce playing music and you're celebrating African-American culture when you leave the one in Washington, D.C. When you leave the one in Montgomery, you just mad. Man, listen. There was a museum in Maryland called the American After American History Museum. They host the Afros and Audios podcast conference that I spoke at a couple times. I went through that exhibit. Man, I felt all the damn emotions.

[00:14:27] Part of it was happy. You feeling good. Part of it's sad. You're breaking down in tears. Then at the end of it, you ready to slap shit out of somebody, man. You ready to just, I wish you would. Try it. I'm going to slap you for slavery, man. Because you just get so mad because you see what our people went through and what we had that overcome just to get to where we at now. Oh, my. There's a 30-foot wall, you know, 20 feet high that when you first walk into the museum, it's a video screen.

[00:14:57] And all it's playing is the ocean. All you hear is waves. And then you walk through the first door and all you see is all the different shackles and devices and the things for slavery. And then you get into the voting room. You get into the mass incarceration room. You get into the segregation room. And I tell you, so we go through that. And we have the whole group that's there. Now, we're going to do a debrief. And Brian's going, okay, or Dr. B, or wherever you call me, I'm like, okay, so how are we going to do this debrief?

[00:15:23] Well, my African-American men who went through that, they need some time. They're telling the folks that they now develop relationships for, I don't like you right now. I don't want to talk to you right now. I need to process the last three hours and four hours of my life because this is so heavy. This is so incredibly, I don't know if there's a part, you're glad you go through it, but I don't know if there's a part of it you go, this is some good, there was something good that happened in that museum,

[00:15:53] other than the fact that they created it for us to be able to understand what actually happened there. I mean, there's a room in there that has all the, you know, all the, I guess, famous folk, pictures of most of the famous folks that have been African-Americans and black throughout history. But you still, you still feeling bad for all of them, for all those things they still had to go through, even as famous as they were. And you just, you just walk out of the room totally quiet. We finally get to do some stuff together.

[00:16:23] They, you know, folks are back to saying, okay, let's, let's go to race. And now we get to come back home. And now how are we going to make an impact once we come back home? So that all came from this Journey to Freedom podcast, from just saying, hey, what are we going to do to figure out what it is that can move us forward? And I don't think you can understand the future until you know and have experienced or tried to experience what some folks have done in the past or what they had to go through.

[00:16:47] And so I'm so glad you went to the museum in Maryland because it's just, it's, it's necessary to kind of understand. Cause I don't, I, you can't watch Roots on TV and get a glimpse and truly understand. You can't. You just can't. And plus I was one of the kids in school had to watch it in school, you know? So of course you can't, you know, it's just, you really can't. And also a lot of the slave movies, they have the pic pic, they show into your Hollywood. I'm like, you can't watch that and really experience it, you know?

[00:17:17] You got to go to the museums and really understand what we went through, you know? You see some of the places that they had to live and the, you know, the, the, the sales that they were part of. And oh man, just even the whole trade. I mean, there's a, there's a screen in there that just shows like from 1490 something all the way, you know, until 1800 and something. Where it just shows dots of how many men were taken from, you know, Africa and where the different parts of the world that they went to.

[00:17:46] And then how fast it went and how many ships there were. And, you know, and then even the trade once, once that was abolished where you could do the slave trade, just like coming from North Carolina, you know, making them walk all the way down to Jacksonville and, you know, all the way down to Alabama and all the, you know, and oh gosh, yeah. You just, you, you can't until you go through there and you sit through it. And then they had a whole bunch of films and things that you could watch, you know, like Edgar, Edgar.

[00:18:14] I can't think of his name, but the, where his head was, you know, the kid that got killed and they did the funeral all on. And so they show all of some of those things, just go, oh my gosh. And then the lynching, you know, where the, where the gentleman didn't want to sell his beans, you know, for the, he wanted to sell those beans for the same price that the white men were selling their beans for. And then they had a lynching funeral. Well, they, 10,000 people showed up to watch him get shot 2000 times. And he told his family, you got to get out of here. I also, there's a guy that you got to interview doctor.

[00:18:44] Where's doctor? Oh, here it is. This dude right here. Dr. Mack. He's, he's out of New Jersey and he puts these calendars together, Black Heritage Day. And he literally goes through all of the, like for 365 days, he has three of these books and he found something that happened on that day. So if we were to go look up, you know, June 20th or whatever, June 11th, I guess is the day it is now.

[00:19:11] We would find something, not that that person was born on that day, but they did something in history that day. And he goes through. And so he's, when we were going from, where are we going from, from Selma to Montgomery, I had him call in and he talked about what we were going to experience at the museum and to look for some of these people that he had done stuff with. And he talked about George Washington. He said, oh yeah, remember? We all talked about Mr. George Washington who had his wooden teeth. He said, George Washington's teeth weren't wood.

[00:19:40] George Washington's teeth were a slave. Taken from slaves. Taken from a slave. They were dentures. Yeah. He said they were from his slaves that he had. And he kind of walks us through. So now our folks have an expectation of what they're going to, what they're going to see when they go to the museum and they have some specific things that he wants them to do. Oh, this dude is so, oh man, the amount of time that he spent putting. And he's got one of all black women too that he just did together through history, 365 days.

[00:20:07] He said this book was the hardest thing he ever had to do in his life because every person has a story who's in there. And every person has a story that makes him want to cry. You know? So even the triumphs of folks. Yeah. So get him on your podcast for sure, Dr. Mac. Oh, we'll definitely, definitely, Linda. We'll definitely. If he's on Podmatch or any other wherever, if he wants to, hey, we'll definitely bring him on. We would definitely love to talk to him. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Liquor Talk. Ladies and gentlemen, my journey.

[00:20:36] This is the podcast where the more you drink, the better we sound, ladies and gentlemen. Shout out to everybody that's tuned in on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube. Watch us on TikTok or you watch us through the whatever, the Podmatch Network, wherever you get your podcasts at. Thank you for taking time to pour up a drink and have a while to listen to this chat with me and Dr. B, holding it down. What was your inspiration behind writing There Is No Tiger and The Decision Formula?

[00:21:02] And what do you hope readers take away from writing these books that you've written? Yeah, no. So my whole world is based around helping people become the very best that God put them on this earth to be. You know, and so one of the things that I find with a lot of folks is we get into these spaces where we try to control a whole bunch of things that we can't control.

[00:21:23] And so when I wrote There Is No Tiger, it really was based on back in the caveman days or however far along back it was when we were trying to protect our families. And we would be in the caves and we would have to have somebody watch guard all night so a tiger wouldn't come in and eat your whole family or devour you or anything like that. Well, we fast forward into today and we say, what are the tigers that we face today that probably don't exist, but we make them exist? We have anxiety around them.

[00:21:52] We have overthinking around them. And so when I think about folks that, you know, that go, OK, what if, what if, what if? And so they say, well, I can't go start a business because what if I don't succeed? I can't go start a business because what if I go to do my business and then I'm sitting at the cash register and then when I'm sitting at the cash register, somebody comes in and robs me. And when somebody comes in and robs me, then I'm going to pull out my gun and then his friend's going to come back and he's going to shoot me. And then my kids aren't going to have a dad.

[00:22:21] And when my kids don't have a dad, then how are they going to grow? And they've gone through this whole rumination of all these things that might possibly probably will never happen. And then it stops them from succeeding and being a productive member because they spend so much time ruminating on what could happen. And then we create this anxiety around it and it just stops us and freezes us. And so when I wrote the book, it was all about how do I get past that? How do I get past that?

[00:22:47] I wake up every day and think of the worst case scenario as I get up instead of thinking about what is the best case scenario? What could happen that would work really well? So now I go start my business and I'm sitting at the cash register and I make so much money that I don't have to sit at the cash register anymore because the cash register has got so much money in it. I got to take all my money to the bank and I take all my money to the bank that I get to have a party with all my friends. And in your case, we get to go drink and have some fun time. And you know why? We're sitting out by the pool.

[00:23:15] Then I get to take my family to the Bahamas and then we get to go spend some time on a cruise and then we get to spend some time helping other people survive. And now we get to serve each other in a way that makes me different. We don't think that. Yeah, we don't think that, but we need to, you know, because it's like we'll let like one or two negative things that happen to us will change. It feels like one or two things that happen negatively, it will stay with us instead of us just saying shit happens and keep it going.

[00:23:42] And then while for us, what a lot of people is that they don't have a backup plan. They don't have at least one or two backup plans in case some shit don't go right with the main plan. So I talk a lot about those contributing factors and determining factors. And the contributing factors are the things that we can't control. We can't control where we were born. We can't control the parents that we have. We can't control probably most of our childhood and things that happened in our childhood. But that's not the reason we don't succeed.

[00:24:12] The reason we don't succeed is because we are too scared to go do the things that we know that we could possibly do. But the determining factors are the things that are internal. Those will determine how your life goes. And we have to have way more determining factors than contributing factors. Yes, the United States of America has not been a good place for black men and women to be able to do what they want to do over the history of time. But we're now in 2026.

[00:24:38] And it still might not be the best place, but that's a contributing factor. The determining factor is, hey, I can go do anything. We had a black president, right? We might even have a black president woman at some time. They're coming up here pretty quick. There's nothing that we can't do if we figure out how to go do it and we find the people that will follow us. But if we sit at home waiting for the TV, one of the hardest things for me sometimes is you go to the barbershop or you go to where there's a gathering.

[00:25:06] And all we talk about is our favorite folks in life. Let's say it's Patrick Mahomes, right? And I love sports. I was an athlete. I got paid to be an athlete. Don't tell me I don't like sports. But when I see a group of men that will sit around for hours and hours and hours talking about another man's success or lack of success or what they get to do. And then I go, well, what's happening with your kids? Oh, he's just doing whatever you want to do.

[00:25:34] You don't know nothing about your kids, but you know more about Patrick Mahomes stats than you do about your own family. Come on now. Let's start thinking about that. What about you? What are your goals? What are your dreams? What are your aspirations? What is it you want to achieve? Oh, I'm just all right. Really? That's what you thought when you were a kid? I didn't think it was going to be this way, but I guess this is what life handed me. I'm like, oh, no. Life didn't hand you. That is not what life handed you. I'm sorry.

[00:26:02] Let's go figure out how to make it better. Oh, my God. You got to. You definitely got to. And you're right about those people. There are some people that know more about the gossip, know more about sports, know more about entertainment than what's going on in their own life. You know, and it's like at one point in time, I was guilty of that myself. I ain't going to lie. I was guilty. But you know what? Once I found a vision and a purpose, hey, now I can go to any place to talk about what's going on. And also, people don't realize if you talk about yourself, someone else might actually have a connection that can help you.

[00:26:32] And that's how we make connections to help each other. I tell everybody, you are God's greatest gift. He loves you, right? You were born for greatness. The greatness needs to jump out of you and onto somebody else. But most importantly, you are an answer to somebody else's prayer. Somebody else is praying for your greatness and your genius to be there so that it might be able to help them move forward. And serving others is such a big deal. Like if you figure out how to serve, you get to be happy.

[00:26:59] And there's so many folks that are just trying, you know, you know, the life is this is going to give me anything. This is going to have to be. No, serve somebody else in a way that can make you people love on you, make you learn things, be around people, be around folks that contribute to your life. And there's so many people who want to do it. There's so many mentors out there that would love to sit down and talk. When's the last time you went to, if you don't have any mentors, that you just went and sat in a facility of men that could tell you stories,

[00:27:27] that would be happy to tell you stories all day and probably even tell you how to move forward. But you don't do that, right? You go watch, you know, television shows and, you know, movies. And I'm not saying don't go to concerts. And I'm not saying don't enjoy the folks who are doing well and entertaining us. But I'm saying there's got to be more to what you do every single day. What's your routine when you get up every day? You know, are you just waiting for life to happen? Are you like commanding your day?

[00:27:54] Are you saying this is what my day needs to look like? This is what I have a series that I do every morning. It's called The Routine.Live. I do it at 630 every morning and I go through breathing exercises and I do these things that say affirmations. You know, I make meaningful connections every day is one of my affirmations. If you're doing that, you can't have a good life. You're doing it. You've got a podcast. You're talking to people. You're creating relationships, which is everything. You're not sitting in a home waiting.

[00:28:22] You know, I guess you could be like in Friday where they just sit in the porch and talk about everybody goes by. There you go. You hit the nail on the head when you said the podcast. Why do you think we're pushing towards 400 episodes? Because it's like once you realize how to do it and start connecting with people in different places, man, I love this now. So, shoot, now if I say if I'm ever in Colorado, I might need to holler at Dr. Villar. If he comes to Florida, hey, that's the whole goal of it, you know.

[00:28:52] But I will say there's some connections that are good, but then there's some connections that are bad, but you live and you learn. Absolutely. There's going to be people. Oh, and here's the problem is we hang around the folks that don't serve us in so many ways. Sometimes it's your family and you got to go visit your family. I'm not going to say don't go to your family because you need to go to your family. It's your family, right? But you don't need to spend every day with your family, especially if they're bringing you down. If your family's telling you, oh, don't do that. You ain't never going to succeed.

[00:29:20] Oh, man, you're just wasting your time over there selling those stuff on the corner. Or, oh, man, why are you even going to school? School ain't going to do nothing for you. If you got a family member who's telling you those things, you need to just visit them a little bit on Thanksgiving. Maybe stop by at Christmas and Mother's Day or something like that. Then get out. Run. Of course. Run. You know, you're better than me because I will tell them, excuse my French, but hey, not tell them to go fuck yourself.

[00:29:48] I'm going to do what I got to go do and keep it moving. Because right now, there's people in my family that hate it on the podcast. But guess what? Like I said earlier, we're pushing towards 400 episodes. So if you think they're hating on stop me then, tough luck. My gosh. And we know, like, we will hang around the same people. I enjoy my friends that I went to college with. And I enjoy the experience that we had and all the things that we did and all the fun when we were playing around. I enjoyed my college.

[00:30:18] But the problem is, is I'm 61 years old now. And so when I meet with my college friends or they call me up, all they want to talk about is what happened in 1983. What happened in 1985? And I'm like, I enjoy that for a couple hours. But what are you doing now? You know, if you're living your life through the past, what are you doing? I want to know what you're doing now. What are your kids doing? What are your, you know, what are your grandkids doing? What are, you know, how are you getting along in life? Like, what did you stop after college?

[00:30:48] Like, that's been 40 years. Yeah, and I feel that. And that's why I haven't really gone to a homecomings or high school reunions. Because you got the same people that live in the city, not really doing much. But they can always tell you about what happened in high school. Like, come on, man. High school, college, some years ago. What are you doing now? What kind of business do you have now? I don't know. I still fit my high school letter jacket. Yo, high school letter jacket? Come on, man.

[00:31:18] I wish I could find my high school letter jacket. Yeah, man. I wish I could find mine, too. Oh, my gosh. But, yeah, so you start thinking about, okay, what are you doing now? I'm more excited today at 61 years old than I've been excited in most of my life. And I've had some really great experiences in my life. And I can't wait for the next 12 years. I can't wait for the people that I impact. I can't wait for it. I have a coaching program where I'm actually helping people succeed and make money and that kind of stuff.

[00:31:47] And I'm going, if I could do this every day long and I could meet with people and say, wait a minute, this is a hole in your business. Or this is a hole in your – I have a thing called a life assessment. Anybody, however you want to do it, I'll send you a life assessment. It will tell you where you're at in what we call the will of life type stuff, which is your health and your finances and your purpose and your identity. And let's take care of all that stuff first. Then we can move on to how you make money.

[00:32:13] But, man, how do you have this purposeful life where you say, I can't wait to get up every morning because I'm going to make a difference. I'm going to make an impact. And people's lives are going to change because I'm alive. And I try to feed that into my kids. And I have some achieving kids that do some phenomenal things. And it's just part of the culture of what we've created in our home that says you can't just be small. I don't want you to live a small life. I guess if you want to, I'm not going to stop you and that's your prerogative.

[00:32:43] But it just pains me that you, if you're trying to play on the small level and not trying to at least do whatever you love. I don't care what it is you love. Just be good at it. Yeah. And also, whatever you love, if you're good at it, somebody is going to pay you damn good money to continue to do that. You just got to find your thing and just do it, you know, and believe that your hard work is going to pay off. And somebody is going to come around and pay you to do it. Oh, my gosh. I have a son who's a rapper here in Denver.

[00:33:12] And, you know, he travels all over. Right now, he makes enough money to be a rapper full time. He's not living the dream life yet. But I'm so glad that he's 30. He just turned 31. And he's just doing. No, he's born 95. He just turned 31. And he's living his best life. And he loves what he's doing. And he's producing. I don't understand a word the man is saying. I love him to death. He's my son.

[00:33:36] You know, but at the same time, I get to watch him just enjoy life because he's doing what he loves. He says, son, if you keep doing what you love, you'll never work a day in your life. And somebody is paying him to do it. You know, like you said, it's, hey, go do whatever it is that you're good at and you love and you enjoy. Life is too short not to go out there and do some stuff. Yes.

[00:34:02] Life is way too short for you not to go do some stuff because it's like, because, you know, sometimes life will happen. You might get into a car accident or something might give you a wake up call. It shouldn't take that. But unfortunately, it does. But some people like they got something traumatic happen to them for them to wake up and all of a sudden realize you got life. But, you know, shouldn't take nothing traumatic. As long as you got life in your body, you got passion, you can go and do anything.

[00:34:25] So talk to me about a personal story that you overcame to work that got you to the place where you're at now, where you're positive, you're uplifting and you're motivating people to live their best life. What changed happened with you and what can we learn from that? Wow, what a great question. So I grew up where they decided I was a special ed kid. And so my dad was a part of an affirmative action program in the early 70s. And so he decided to move us out to the suburbs. So the school that I attend is all white.

[00:34:54] There's three of us there, me, my sister and Ernie Pitts. They go through elementary and they decided that I don't know how to read and write. And I had this wasn't called dyslexia then, but it's called dyslexia now that I was going to go to be able to grow and learn and that kind of stuff. I get to high school, realize there's 35 of us in high school. It has 3000 people in it. 20 of the 35 of us are all in special ed classes.

[00:35:18] So that tells you something about what they believe that we were capable of when I was going through high school and elementary school. And so I decided that right then I'm not going to college. I'm going to be a stuntman. I'm going to go to Hollywood. I'm going to go do whatever we do in Hollywood that can be do stunts. And the biggest thing that happened there is my mom said, I need you to go to college because I happen to be a pretty good athlete. And I was able to get a scholarship to go to college. And she's like, no, you need to get an education. So you can't go to school.

[00:35:46] So if you go to school, college, instead of going to stunt school, I'll buy you a Jeep when you graduate. Now, when I'm 18, that made sense. Today, it just seems pretty silly that that's what I was going to do. My mom's 82. I'm still waiting for that Jeep. But she got me to go to college. So I go to college. And college does well for me. I get to – I'm a communications major. I get to talk. I get to do what I love. And I end up going to college.

[00:36:14] And I get a degree, one in communications and the other in physical education. So I decide I'm going to be a PE teacher. So I come back to Colorado to be a PE teacher. When I come back to Colorado to be a PE teacher, they tell me I have to take a test in the state of Colorado. To be a PE teacher, go, okay, I'll take my teacher's exam. I said, you have to do a 150-word spelling test. I said, to be a PE teacher, to blow a whistle, to make sure people are healthy in their life? Yep. I couldn't pass the 150-word spelling test.

[00:36:42] Back to California, I went because California allowed me to be a teacher. I became a teacher. And then I got my master's. And here's where the turning point came. I got my master's in educational technology. So when I got my master's in educational technology, computers were starting to come up. Now, instead of me not knowing how to spell the BLS-Fast spelling test, I can now get on a computer and a word processor. It doesn't matter what I write. There's going to be a spell check. There's going to be a way that's going to even the playing field. There's going to be a grammar check. There's going to be something that's going to allow me now to feel like.

[00:37:12] I think I always was, but I didn't feel like in some circles I always felt less than. I always felt like I wasn't enough. I always felt like I couldn't do because of whatever this disability that everybody told me that I had. All of a sudden now, I don't have a disability anymore because I can spell just as good as you on any written thing because I have something that's going to need or tool that's going to do it for me without me having to go ask somebody, can you please help me and read my stuff and do that kind of stuff.

[00:37:39] And so that was a huge pivotal turning point for me saying, and then as soon as I got my master's degree, I'm 27 years old. And within a month, the university asked me to come start teaching at the university. So now I'm big time, right? I get to go teach. I'm a college professor. Well, what do you think that did for my psyche?

[00:38:01] What do you think that did for my belief in myself and my ability to now go get my doctorate, to now go start a business that makes a lot of money, to go do all these things that I would have never been able to do had I not had this equalizer that was called technology that made that playing field. Now, don't get me wrong. I made some pretty big mistakes like financially. Like I'm big time now, right? I'm working at the high school and the university. So I go buy myself a BMW, right? I go to the dealership.

[00:38:31] I'm going to go get me a three series. I come out of there with a seven series because somebody convinced me that that's what I needed to do. So I go. Yeah, dude, I'm driving. I'm driving around the university, like waving at people like I'm in a parade or something like I done did something. I couldn't afford the car. I had not yet become the person that could have or do the things. And we do this have to be, which is backwards. And I wrote a book about it. But instead of becoming the person first, now I know how to become the person.

[00:39:01] Now I know how to then let me be able to do what then lets me be able to have. But yeah, don't think that I just get, you know, I was perfect and did all these things right because I made all kinds of mistakes. Eight children and 16 grandkids now. And I love them all to death. But that was a pivotal turning point in my life on what is possible for me. And I think everybody needs to have one of those.

[00:39:26] But you have to be around associations and people that can help you feed your dream, not folks that just tell you what you can't do. And that's why I keep talking about those people. So, yeah. That's some real shit right there. You can't be around people that tell you what you can't do. You need to be around people who encourage you to do it. You need to be in those kind of rooms. And trust me, once I go to a few of those rooms, you want to go to another one. You're looking for the next one.

[00:39:50] I'm like, because those rooms get addicting in a good way, you know, because you're full of people who can tell you what to do and they will even help you do it. Instead of not everybody is a gatekeeper. That's the biggest thing I've learned over the years is not everyone is a gatekeeper. You're so, so right. And so many people want to help other folks. We just don't find the folks that we sit there with our own folks. We have our own folks in our own associations and so many mentors.

[00:40:17] So the difference between a mentor and a coach is a mentor will do it for free and they will help you. A coach usually has you pay for it. I think you need both in your life. And I think you need some that will help you in different areas of your life as well. Because if you have one person that is telling you how to run your life in every way, whether it's from your marriage to your job to your relationship with your friends, if you got somebody who's guiding you through that, you're in a cult. Run. Get out of it. Because you need people.

[00:40:45] Hey, if I want to have a good marriage, I'm not going to go to the guy who can teach me how to make a million dollars unless he has a good marriage. You know, I'm going to go to the guy who's at this incredible marriage and he might not even make hardly enough money to just, you know, he's just making his being. He's loving life. But he's got this incredible relationship with his wife. That's the guy that I want to talk to. I don't want to talk to the guy who's buying his wife a whole bunch of stuff and she's out and she's messing around with other folks all the time. And, you know, they don't have these great relationships.

[00:41:14] And the same thing with business, right? I don't want to go learn from the guy who is standing on the corner selling popsicles to teach me how to go make $150,000 a year because he's making like $20,000 a year. So how am I going to let him tell me how to run my business or how to set up a business? That's a fact. And that's a fact. And for all you people in podcasting, don't go to a person with just seven episodes. You ain't going to learn much from them.

[00:41:41] You might want to talk to somebody who's been in the game for some time, who got 200 and 300 episodes or even 400 or 500 episodes. And then people think I've got a big number. I'm like, I've seen people with 1,000 podcast episodes. They're the people you want to learn from because they've been in the game for a while. So you can't go to people just based off their little bit of experience. You got to go to people who are being consistent with it as well. Oh, thank you for saying that because when I talk to people, I want to monetize my podcast. Okay.

[00:42:10] Well, let me help you figure out how to monetize your podcast. You know, I have a sheet that says there's 54 ways to monetize your podcast. Which one are you doing? I got to get subscribers. Really? So they do five podcasts. They don't have any subscribers and they go out quick. You're like nine out of 10 people that start a podcast never do more than 10 episodes. And you just go, what the heck is going on with you? Because you couldn't. What have you ever done good in your life that you did only did 10 times and became good at it? Well, you didn't even tie your shoe 10 times, right? Before you got good at it, right?

[00:42:40] So why do you think if I start a podcast? I think everybody should start a podcast. I think everybody has something to say. Not everybody should maybe continue, but everybody will get better as a person and communicator by doing one. But they can't do five episodes. They got to do 20. And then they got to learn, like you said, from somebody who's teaching it, somebody who's done it, somebody who has folks. Like I monetized my podcast right off the gate when I started doing it. And I didn't have hardly any subscribers because that wasn't my goal.

[00:43:08] My goal was to bring guests on that I could edify, that I could encourage. In a certain field, I was in real estate at the time. I interviewed real estate agents, and they got to tell me how great of a real estate agent they were. Now I was a loan officer at the time, so now they want to send me loans because I created this relationship with them. And so I did, in the first six months, 70 episodes of that podcast. I'm still getting referrals from those 75 people today.

[00:43:36] And I don't know if we ever broke a thousand consistent listeners that ever started coming to the podcast. Because it wasn't about that. There's so many other ways that people don't realize how this medium – just you and I talking right now, right? If you pick up your phone one time to be distracted like they do in the restaurants when you're sitting across the table from somebody, they act like everybody else is more important.

[00:43:59] What a podcast does, it gives us an hour of time where I have to get to make a great, incredible relationship with another man that's across the country from me. And there's no distractions during this time. There's no phone call ringing. There's no doorbell ringing. There's no me getting up. There's not me scrolling through TikTok. There's not me trying to watch TV in a game.

[00:44:22] When's the last time you had a one-hour conversation with somebody else when you're not sitting on something like a podcast where you just sit and talk? Nothing else. The only time I think about is when I'm driving. Sometimes, yeah. Yeah, because I ain't going to lie. I was talking to my little sister for maybe two hours or two weeks ago. I had to go down to Palm Beach for a movie shoot. And I was really almost phoning my sister for two hours. I'm like, damn, that could have been a podcast episode. But it was too busy.

[00:44:52] It was raining and stuff. And I'm like, I said, next thing I guess I got to invest in a mobile Wi-Fi kit or something like that. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Oh, guys. But it's so cool that you can have these conversations. Like you said, you're close enough to 400 podcasts. I have about 600. So between the two, we got 1,000 podcasts. That means if my podcasts average an hour, then I've got 1,000 hours into learning how to have conversations with people. Oh, my gosh.

[00:45:22] Yeah. You think I'm not good at it by this time? That's the same thing I said. Shit. All these damn people I don't have had on this podcast, you don't think I'm good at it? You sleep. Compared to you who've done three, and you think you're good. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And it's hard to believe of how many of them people I had on the podcast who's not podcasting today. I'm like, wow. It's like sometimes I get a little disappointed, but then I'm like, you know what? That's their journey. That's their purpose.

[00:45:51] If they give it up at that time because they just determined it's time to walk away, that's on them, you know? Well, and some of it was if it's a stepping stone. Like this could be an incubator for me being really good at communicating or learning how to communicate, learning how to shut up and listen, and then be able to tell you if that's what it did. So now that I could go do something I really wanted to do, and now I don't have that fear and that anxiety, and there's no tiger.

[00:46:18] I realize there's no tiger jumping on me, and then I can go, wait a minute. Oh, that podcast episode was my education. That was my bachelor's degree. I did 300 episodes, and now I understand it. I know how to engineer it. I know how to get guests. All the things that you do to create the business of podcasting can help you in every business. And so for some folks, it doesn't need to be something you do for your life because if you just – some people just don't love talking to people, but they still do it.

[00:46:48] Maybe now it's – and they're at a restaurant, and they're meeting somebody. I have a meaningful connection at a restaurant, but now I'm 100% present and I'm listening, and this guy's telling me exactly what I need to do in my business. But instead of me being distracted and phoned, I'm right there with him because I did that podcast. And that podcast taught me, oh, wait a minute. I need to stop talking right now. Yeah, exactly. And I'm saying we have different networking events and stuff.

[00:47:13] I'm listening to what you're saying and stuff, and then I'll talk and stuff and see how we can collaborate because you never know what you'll find out just by listening to people because some people will tell themselves in a good way or in a bad way. Oh, my gosh. Every time I go out, I'm looking for my next podcast guest. I'm looking for the next person that I get to spend an hour with or 45 minutes with or whatever it is because there's so many interesting people in the world that want to talk about themselves. And having been given the opportunity.

[00:47:40] And so once you start doing that for folks, oh, my gosh, the relationships you have and the loyalty you have. And when you need something, you know, I can send something out to all my podcast folks now and just, hey, I need you for this. They show up. Why? Why? Because I showed up for them. That's why. Yeah, that's real. And you know one thing I've learned about podcasts as well? Somebody like 3,000 miles away will show up faster than somebody 10 minutes away. That's the sad thing. But, hey, you just got to embrace it, you know.

[00:48:08] But not to say I won't talk to people in Tampa. I mean, because there's plenty of studios I could just go to, but I'd much rather go to. But obviously. But we make things as a do. You know, you got to do it with the grind, you know. So, yeah. Like somebody in Japan yesterday, he wanted to be up at 2 in the morning to talk to me. During the day, hey, I'm going to spend some time with you. Listen, I saw somebody in Australia the other day. They would tell me it was like 10 to more where they're at. I'm like, wow. Yeah. They were a whole day ahead of us. And she up to talk to me.

[00:48:37] I said, okay, you know what? You're the real MVP. Yep. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. It is so fun. And then you just like if you think about it as this is just a way for me to create relationships because I don't know what I'm going to do in the future. I cannot tell you what I'm going to do doing in five years and with AI and everything. But what I do know is I have connections and I have relationships.

[00:49:00] And that is going to trump just about everything that's out there when things get difficult, when things get hard or when things get great. Who am I going to spend my time in the beaches of the world with? Who am I going to be able to communicate with and talk to? It's going to be the people that I spent time with today and then follow up. The hard part for me now is I have so many folks that I've had these great relationships with. I'm starting to forget some of them now.

[00:49:26] Like they'll call me and they'll say, hey, I was on your podcast like episode 38. And I'm like, yeah, thank you for being on the podcast. You know, I felt that, you know, I actually did feel that because I actually happened to me. I remember going to like a podcast conference and they're like, hey, Victor, I was on your podcast. I was like, what episode? And in my head, I'm like, I don't remember that. That episode is not coming to me, you know. They said, oh, you on my podcast. So I'm like, what episode was that? Because it's just not coming to me, you know.

[00:49:56] So I feel that. And so it's just, you know, figure out how do I make a way to continue to keep those connections, to keep coming back. I'm starting to show some of my old shows now. So I have, you know, my slots that I have during the week and some of them are live and some of them we're doing together. Now I'm just starting to replay. And I do it more for me than I'm doing it for me. I'll go back and listen to it. I'm on my walk. Sometimes I'll listen to some of my old episodes and go, oh, man. I got to call my brother back because I need, you know, I just need to know how he's doing. You know, I do care. I want to know.

[00:50:25] I want to, you know, feel it. It's just you get in this zone of just doing them and doing them and doing them. And you're making these great relationships and stuff. But it's also important to how do we do stuff where we can go back and say, hey, how are you doing? How can I help you? How can I serve you? Because I know it's going to come back to me. You know, I know five, six years, ten years, I may need somebody to help me do something. I get this Rodex where I connect people. Oh, man, you want to be able to build that? Boom. Let me show you this person. You need to learn how to do this way.

[00:50:54] You'll monetize your podcast this way. Oh, we got this dude who can help you. It is so cool. I can't wait to the things that we're going to do together. It's like, oh, my gosh. I'm going to end up in a conference with you. We're going to, hey, maybe we'll do a podcast down in Alabama for one of our, in front of the museum or something. I'm with it. I'm with it. You know, I'm with it. Whatever you suggest, at this point, I'm all go. You know what I'm saying? It's like, hey, whatever I did is, I'm like, let's just go ahead and get it done. And we got to make sure we hold up each other's end of the deal.

[00:51:24] Because unfortunately, I ran into some people where mine didn't deal. They didn't hold up their end of the deal. But, you know, you move on, you know. Oh, gosh. Yeah. I mean, as long as I'm putting forth the effort, God's going to reward that, as far as I'm concerned, maybe somewhere else in time. And if that guy, you know, I've learned that hurting people hurt people. And so, and if you can find out why they're hurting, you may be able to help them. But sometimes they're just going to be hurtful. They're just not going to do what they said they're going to do. And yeah, hey, I got to move on. You know, I still have to go help another.

[00:51:54] I'm not going to be discouraged. I'm not going to quit. I'm not going to say life is over because that one person that tried to control his life couldn't. And I got to be able to expect things that are going to happen. You know, like every day I say, you know, I put purpose in my day and I am intentional about how I spend my day. However, something every day is going to come up that I'm not expecting to happen. And then, of course, I'm going to have to deal with it. And the more of those things that come up, if I can have the right attitude that I have,

[00:52:22] knowing it's going to come up and say, hey, I got to be calm about it. I'm going to be doing it. I'm going to deal with it. The better off I'm going to be as an individual and the better off the person who's escalating to 100 is going to be because I'm the calm one is the one like, hey, man, life happens. Yes, you're right. Life happens. And one thing I've learned is sometimes you escalate and going up to 100, you're going up to 100 for nothing, you know, because give it 24 hours or 48 hours, you would have forgotten about it. And plus the person who did you wrong, guess what?

[00:52:52] They're going to forget about it too. So what are some key habits or routines that you believe are essential for peak performance and sustained success? Because you know what? To be successful, you got to build some healthy habits. Oh, my gosh. Here's what I would say. The habits that you build will determine what your life is going to be like. And so a routine that you have every single day is one of the best habits that you can possibly have. How you control your day.

[00:53:18] I wake up and as I say, and I get on there, I say, we got to have a purpose life. Well, you have to avoid life's distractions and start your own stuff first. The world's noise will take away from you so unbelievably fast. If you're worried about what's happening in Israel, what's happening in China, what's happening across the things you can't control. We spend so much time trying to control them.

[00:53:44] So that's probably the biggest habit is how do I control my day in a way that I am being proactive about what my day is going to look like instead of being reactive about the way it is. Now, there's obviously going to be reactive moments at many times, but your overall day. The habit of exercise, the habit of making sure that you stay healthy. You know, the things that you eat, things you put into your body. None of us are perfect and good at it every instance. But if you're making the attempt to make sure that, hey, I'm going to try to do something

[00:54:13] today that's going to allow me to have longevity. It's so hard sometimes when you are feeling sick or you're feeling tired to get up and have the energy to go do something. The other habit is, like I said, making meaningful connections every single day. Who today are you going to connect with? That it's going to be where you put your phone down, your eyes up, you're going to listen, you're going to be in the presence, you're going to be in the moment with at least one individual. It doesn't have to be a new individual. It could be your mom. It could be your sister like you did, right?

[00:54:41] How important and impactful was that two-hour conversation you got to have with your sister? You know, that you got to spend that time. And that's a meaningful connection. Those connections should happen every day and you need to make time in your life to be able to do it. I think you have to make time in your life to serve somebody in some way, somehow. And the service might not be that you go out and mow their lawn. Service might be that you go to the grocery store and you tell the clerk that she's doing a great job, that she's doing wonderful, that that person who just talked to you that way,

[00:55:11] you don't deserve that. That's serving somebody in a way that makes them feel better about who they are. And if you can get up every single day and say, I'm going to make you feel better about who you are, that's my goal in life. And then the other one is my intention of the day is not to try to control everything that goes in my life, that, you know, let God do some of the stuff. That's what he's there for. And I'm not going to try to get up every single day and control the things that I cannot control.

[00:55:39] And so I guess those would be, you know, I have this list of seven intentions. I'll be happy to say that I try to make sure that I do every single day. And those things are the things that make me go, man, I can't wake up to get up in the morning. When I put my head on the pillow, I'm going to sleep because it was a great day, a great day in every way, you know, because the God of many years knows me by my name and there's

[00:56:02] nothing that I can do that's going to put me in a position, you know, I think about even the guy that's in prison that was there for 19 years that, you know, I don't know if I told you that story, right? Yeah, you told me earlier. I guess I'd figure out how to make life great in prison if I ended up there, you know. Yeah, I'm saying that too. And I feel bad for the young man who basically tried to claim self-defense and now he's looking at 35 years in jail and he's just a child.

[00:56:32] I'm like, man, you know what? This justice system in America is just horrible. So I have prayers up to him and prayers to his family, you know, the justice system in America, they just do black people dirty. Yes, you would not be surprised at how many of the folks that I interviewed on my podcast have been incarcerated for an amount of time to six months or more.

[00:56:55] You know, they're doing fantastic now, but just how many and the percentage based on, I've only done 280 episodes, right? And the percentage is huge of those 280 that have spent some time, you know, he's going, oh gosh, what a mess. But yeah. Now I recently just had an episode with a lady who just came out of prison and then she went back and returned to the prison as working as a corrections officer. You know, I'm like, yo, how'd that happen? Y'all got to listen to that episode. But that was, that was crazy.

[00:57:25] But Dr. B, how, why should people tune in to the Journey to Freedom podcast? And also why should they tune in to the Living Boldly with Purpose podcast? Yeah, here's what I can say. I have guests that come on all the time. I'm going to have you on my podcast, right? So that's why they need to come on my podcast. We're going to do it. But yeah, because there's people's stories are what moves life. And the first thing that I ask on my podcast is tell me your story. Tell me who you are.

[00:57:53] People care way more who you are than what you do. We'll get to what you do. We'll get to what you sell. We'll get to your books. We'll get to all that. But I want to know who you are. And when you get to watch that, those podcasts, you get to feel like, oh, I know something. You can, you got some kind of connection with every single one of my guests if you listen to because that's how we do. And you can be better off in your life going, oh, wow, that's how we dealt with that. Or that's how we dealt with that. Or he dealt with that terrible. I'll never do that. So I even know I thought about doing it.

[00:58:22] And so there's just a lot of learning. There's a lot of joy. There's just a lot of information that you can take from the podcast and see this is what we do. And then I would encourage you after that to let's figure out how to get together and move forward. I have virtual conferences that I have every month that I have speakers that come in and speak. And I want you to learn how to speak. And yeah, there's all kinds of fun stuff that we get to do together. So come on. That is wonderful. That is really wonderful. Dr. Arnold, I look forward to it. I look forward to blessing your podcast like you blessed the Liquor Talk today.

[00:58:52] I appreciate you for joining me to have a drink with me. I definitely appreciate it. Looking forward to it. Whenever you want to step, just let me know because I might be in Florida, but I'm always a DM away. So I want to thank you for your time. And I want to thank everybody that listened to the Liquor Talk podcast, whether it's just on on Spotify, iHeartRadio, or watch this on YouTube and TikTok. And once again, thank you to our friends at PodMatch for bringing us this guest. I'm your man, Victor. This has been the Liquor Talk podcast. Until next time, peace. All right.