In this episode, Marty Davis, following up on her accurate prediction concerning the re-election of Donald Trump, gives her assessment on why she was right and what we can look forward to in his upcoming administration. Then, I express my opinion concerning the battle over bathrooms on Capitol Hill.
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00:02:00 --> 00:02:05 Hello, and welcome to another moment with Eric Fleming. I am your host, Eric Fleming.
00:02:06 --> 00:02:12 So today is going to be kind of a, well, I say chill episode.
00:02:14 --> 00:02:19 I got another one of my friends coming on, a young lady named Marty Davis.
00:02:19 --> 00:02:26 And Marty made a prediction, and she had said that Donald Trump was going to
00:02:26 --> 00:02:28 win when I interviewed her in April.
00:02:28 --> 00:02:32 Of course, Biden was still running at the time and all that, but she predicted it.
00:02:32 --> 00:02:38 So, of course, since she was right and had time to reach out to her,
00:02:39 --> 00:02:44 just wanted to come have a comeback on and just kind of talk about why that
00:02:44 --> 00:02:52 happened in her perspective and what we think is going to happen during the
00:02:52 --> 00:02:57 first few days that Donald Trump is going to be back in office.
00:02:58 --> 00:03:03 So I hope y'all enjoy that. I guess we can call that another episode of Marty's
00:03:03 --> 00:03:08 Crystal Ball and go from there.
00:03:09 --> 00:03:12 So yeah, and then there's some stuff I want to talk about.
00:03:12 --> 00:03:21 So it's going to be a typical show as far as time, but I just really wanted
00:03:21 --> 00:03:24 to get her back on since she made that assessment,
00:03:24 --> 00:03:29 that prediction that Trump was going to win and just kind of flesh that out a little bit.
00:03:30 --> 00:03:37 All right. So I hope you all enjoy this. Like I said, I've got some on my mind.
00:03:37 --> 00:03:41 I wanted maybe a couple of things, but it's definitely one thing on my mind I want to address.
00:03:43 --> 00:03:47 And I don't know how long that'll take, but I do want to get that off my chest.
00:03:47 --> 00:03:50 So let's go ahead and get this show started.
00:03:50 --> 00:03:54 And as always, we started with a moment of news with Grace G.
00:03:56 --> 00:04:04 Music.
00:04:04 --> 00:04:10 Donald Trump nominated Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to lead the Department of Health and Human Services.
00:04:11 --> 00:04:16 Matt Gaetz withdrew his nomination for attorney general as allegations of sexual
00:04:16 --> 00:04:19 misconduct raise concern from Republican senators.
00:04:19 --> 00:04:24 The U.S. Justice Department reported that the Fulton County Jail in Atlanta
00:04:24 --> 00:04:31 systematically violates inmates' constitutional rights, citing severe neglect and inadequate care.
00:04:31 --> 00:04:37 The Biden administration has allowed Ukraine to use U.S.-made weapons for long-range
00:04:37 --> 00:04:42 attacks in Russia as Ukraine prepares to target Russian military installations.
00:04:42 --> 00:04:49 The Palm Springs City Council approved a $5.9 million reparation settlement
00:04:49 --> 00:04:54 for former residents of a black neighborhood destroyed in the 1960s.
00:04:54 --> 00:05:00 The family of Malcolm X filed a $100 million federal lawsuit against the FBI,
00:05:00 --> 00:05:06 CIA, and NYPD, alleging they allowed his assassination to occur and concealed
00:05:06 --> 00:05:08 evidence about the plot.
00:05:08 --> 00:05:14 U.S. Envoy Rahm Emanuel and former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley are considering
00:05:14 --> 00:05:17 viz for chair of the Democratic National Committee.
00:05:17 --> 00:05:22 The Texas Supreme Court cleared the way for the execution of Robert Roberson,
00:05:23 --> 00:05:27 who was convicted of murdering his toddler based on shaken baby syndrome.
00:05:27 --> 00:05:32 A Wyoming judge ruled that two anti-abortion laws are unconstitutional,
00:05:33 --> 00:05:37 citing a state constitutional right to individual health care decisions.
00:05:37 --> 00:05:43 A federal judge in Texas permanently blocked a rule intended to expand overtime
00:05:43 --> 00:05:46 pay to millions of salaried workers.
00:05:46 --> 00:05:52 Florida's attorney general has filed a lawsuit against FEMA for allegedly discriminating
00:05:52 --> 00:05:54 against hurricane victims who supported Trump.
00:05:55 --> 00:06:00 The Los Angeles City Council approved an ordinance to safeguard immigrants,
00:06:00 --> 00:06:04 which restricts the use of city resources for federal immigration enforcement.
00:06:05 --> 00:06:11 And a losing bidder linked to Alex Jones is contesting the Onion's purchase
00:06:11 --> 00:06:15 of his InfoWars website, alleging the auction was rigged.
00:06:16 --> 00:06:20 I am Grace Gee, and this has been a Moment of News.
00:06:21 --> 00:06:28 Music.
00:06:26 --> 00:06:29 All right. Thank you, Grace, for that moment of news.
00:06:30 --> 00:06:37 And there was one correction. Last week in the news segment,
00:06:37 --> 00:06:41 we had said that a FEMA employee was denying people in North Carolina support.
00:06:42 --> 00:06:42 It was actually Florida.
00:06:44 --> 00:06:49 So if you call in the news thing that Florida's the government is now going
00:06:49 --> 00:06:54 after FEMA because of that individual So want to get that clear because we had
00:06:54 --> 00:06:57 said North Carolina and that's not Grace's fault.
00:06:57 --> 00:07:03 That's mine and You know But I wanted to make sure we we had that correction
00:07:03 --> 00:07:08 going and then there was some Other stuff that had happened mind.
00:07:10 --> 00:07:15 Jesse Smoulet, I think his name is. The young man that played on Empire that
00:07:15 --> 00:07:18 probably messed his name up.
00:07:20 --> 00:07:25 But, you know, the young brother who had said that the Trump supporters had
00:07:25 --> 00:07:29 jumped him in Chicago and, you know, did some things to him.
00:07:30 --> 00:07:35 And initially he had worked out a deal with the state's attorney.
00:07:35 --> 00:07:39 And then next thing you know, they were, he got convicted.
00:07:40 --> 00:07:43 Well, the Illinois State Supreme Court overturned the conviction.
00:07:44 --> 00:07:52 Basically, you know, in so many terms, it's like, yeah, they had already worked out a deal.
00:07:52 --> 00:07:57 It's not exactly double jeopardy, but, you know, this had already been worked
00:07:57 --> 00:08:03 out. And then you wanted to push for, I guess, whatever political reasons you
00:08:03 --> 00:08:05 wanted to make an example of him.
00:08:06 --> 00:08:09 And, yeah, the state Supreme Court wasn't wasn't down with that.
00:08:10 --> 00:08:14 So that conviction has been overturned. So now he can, I guess,
00:08:14 --> 00:08:17 go forward in his life, whatever he wants to do with that.
00:08:18 --> 00:08:24 The tie in, though, is that Rahm Emanuel, as you've heard, wants to be the chair
00:08:24 --> 00:08:25 of the Democratic Party.
00:08:25 --> 00:08:29 And he was the mayor at the time when Smolet was arrested and he was the one
00:08:29 --> 00:08:34 pushing for somebody, the young man to be convicted.
00:08:36 --> 00:08:40 So, you know, everything ties in. But anyway, enough of that.
00:08:41 --> 00:08:44 I just I just wanted to throw that in because we didn't really have time to cover that.
00:08:46 --> 00:08:51 Now it's time for my friend Marty Davis. Marty has been involved in politics
00:08:51 --> 00:08:55 and media for a long time. She's retired now, but she she does a newsletter.
00:08:57 --> 00:09:01 We call it Marty's crystal ball, and she she kind of gives her assessment of
00:09:01 --> 00:09:07 what's going on in the political world just now as an outside observer more
00:09:07 --> 00:09:11 than somebody that's on the inside. But she's done news radio.
00:09:11 --> 00:09:16 She's you know, she was married to a congressman and all that stuff.
00:09:16 --> 00:09:23 And and she still keeps tabs on everything. So, you know, we connected and I
00:09:23 --> 00:09:26 enjoy listening to her give her opinions about things.
00:09:27 --> 00:09:32 And, you know, some of the conversations we have offline are a lot better than
00:09:32 --> 00:09:35 what you hear in the interview because there's no time constraints on that.
00:09:35 --> 00:09:40 But I value her opinion and I value her spirit.
00:09:40 --> 00:09:47 And I'm honored that her and Will and Coach Killings are people and the Pearsons,
00:09:47 --> 00:09:53 my good lawyer friends, are regular contributors to the show.
00:09:54 --> 00:10:00 And because I value their input and I greatly appreciate not only their input,
00:10:01 --> 00:10:02 but their spirit and their energy.
00:10:03 --> 00:10:08 So another friend of the program, ladies and gentlemen, is my distinct honor
00:10:08 --> 00:10:12 and privilege to have as a guest on this podcast, Marty Davis.
00:10:15 --> 00:10:25 Music.
00:10:23 --> 00:10:29 All right. Ladies and gentlemen, I have Marty Davis.
00:10:30 --> 00:10:32 Marty, how are you doing, ma'am? You doing good?
00:10:32 --> 00:10:38 Oh, I'm just doing ducky, my dear Eric. Yes, just great.
00:10:39 --> 00:10:43 Well, look, I'm doing good. I'm about to play something.
00:10:44 --> 00:10:48 Normally, like I said, I start off with a quote, but instead I'm going to do
00:10:48 --> 00:10:52 something because last time you was on, it was April of this year.
00:10:53 --> 00:10:59 And I asked you a question and the whole segment was Marty's crystal ball, right?
00:10:59 --> 00:11:03 And you were kind of making predictions and kind of assessments about different issues.
00:11:04 --> 00:11:07 So I asked you who was going to win the election.
00:11:07 --> 00:11:12 And this is only part of the answer, but you'll get the gist of it. So here we go.
00:11:13 --> 00:11:16 I don't know. You know, it's really a crash, obviously.
00:11:16 --> 00:11:23 But if I if I I would say Trump's going to pull this out and I don't know why.
00:11:23 --> 00:11:28 But, you know, my psychic instinct is that he'll pull it out.
00:11:29 --> 00:11:33 Well, your psychic instinct was right, Marty Davis, that crystal ball was working.
00:11:39 --> 00:11:44 And Donald Trump is now going to be the 47th president of the United States,
00:11:44 --> 00:11:47 as opposed to being the 45th.
00:11:49 --> 00:11:54 So even though you said at that time that you really didn't have an idea,
00:11:54 --> 00:11:56 and at that time, Biden was still running.
00:11:58 --> 00:12:02 During that period, when Biden dropped out and Harris got in,
00:12:02 --> 00:12:04 did you think anything was going to change?
00:12:05 --> 00:12:10 Or were you pretty solid on your instinct that Trump was going to win?
00:12:11 --> 00:12:16 I knew that nothing was going to change just from my feelings.
00:12:16 --> 00:12:28 You know that back in 2020, Eric, I saw that Trump's loss had to happen. It had to happen.
00:12:29 --> 00:12:37 And the country had to go through the time with Biden and then get to the point
00:12:37 --> 00:12:41 where Trump would eventually get reelected.
00:12:41 --> 00:12:45 I know that sounds very strange. however as
00:12:45 --> 00:12:49 you know and as some of your viewers or
00:12:49 --> 00:12:52 listeners know that if they know me
00:12:52 --> 00:12:55 they know that i have that uncanny ability
00:12:55 --> 00:13:03 and i don't know where i divine it but to see things that other people are unable
00:13:03 --> 00:13:12 to see and in politics i've been around the block for so many years i know this stuff. I really do.
00:13:13 --> 00:13:21 And I saw, I don't know if you want me to take a deep dive in my analysis of
00:13:21 --> 00:13:24 the 2024 presidential election.
00:13:25 --> 00:13:29 Biden drops out after that disastrous debate,
00:13:29 --> 00:13:41 and then Kamala is anointed his successor he comes in and the message is vibes and joy and.
00:13:42 --> 00:13:48 What I saw, and other Americans and other political prognosticators,
00:13:48 --> 00:13:57 and you did too, what I saw was the Democrats just didn't get it.
00:13:57 --> 00:14:04 They didn't understand what the issues really were, or they didn't want to embrace
00:14:04 --> 00:14:06 those issues such as immigration,
00:14:07 --> 00:14:10 the economy and inflation and everything like that,
00:14:10 --> 00:14:18 this It's transgender movement and boys and girls sports and things like that
00:14:18 --> 00:14:23 that matter to the rank and file American voter.
00:14:24 --> 00:14:30 And I think that the voters had had enough. They just simply had enough.
00:14:31 --> 00:14:37 And they wanted some sense, I would think, of normalcy. I'm,
00:14:37 --> 00:14:43 you know, distancing myself from being politically partisan about this.
00:14:43 --> 00:14:47 I'm just looking at this in an analytical manner.
00:14:48 --> 00:14:55 And the Democrats just were stubbornly adamant about pushing these issues.
00:14:55 --> 00:15:05 And then Kamala Harris, as a candidate, in my humble opinion, made several mistakes.
00:15:05 --> 00:15:09 One of which not answering media questions
00:15:09 --> 00:15:18 it was so orchestrated not having spontaneous interactions with reporters and
00:15:18 --> 00:15:29 and an inability when she did communicate to be effective I thought and I,
00:15:29 --> 00:15:39 Hiring the celebrities for millions of dollars to pumper up and hopefully have
00:15:39 --> 00:15:40 that translate into votes.
00:15:40 --> 00:15:46 My experience, Eric, is that celebrity endorsements mean nothing.
00:15:47 --> 00:15:52 Zero. I remember when my second husband was running for Congress in Michigan
00:15:52 --> 00:15:57 and the Democrats brought in Teddy Kennedy. I'm telling you,
00:15:57 --> 00:15:59 this stuff doesn't work.
00:15:59 --> 00:16:04 It just doesn't. And this was way back, you know, historically,
00:16:04 --> 00:16:06 these endorsements don't work.
00:16:07 --> 00:16:11 And and here we are. It didn't happen in this instance either.
00:16:11 --> 00:16:20 Then then there was the polling, the polling, the polling was I read Nate Silver
00:16:20 --> 00:16:25 and the polling appeared to be weighted. But then again, all polling is weighted.
00:16:26 --> 00:16:36 And the one polling polling data that came in at the end was the Des Moines, Iowa poll.
00:16:36 --> 00:16:43 And Ruth, I don't remember the last name, but anyway, she ended up resigning.
00:16:43 --> 00:16:47 And she said that Kamal was going to win. It was 47 to something.
00:16:48 --> 00:16:50 Correct, Eric? Something like that.
00:16:51 --> 00:16:57 Well, yeah, you know, I just, the polling was flawed.
00:16:57 --> 00:17:02 And there are some that will say, no, it wasn't. It wasn't flawed,
00:17:02 --> 00:17:04 but it appeared to be flawed.
00:17:05 --> 00:17:11 I ask you this, how are you going to take a questionnaire, a polling questionnaire
00:17:11 --> 00:17:15 from 808 or eight? Yeah, 808 voters.
00:17:17 --> 00:17:22 How is that going to be representative of the country? Now, the pollsters will
00:17:22 --> 00:17:25 say, yeah, but you know what I'm saying?
00:17:26 --> 00:17:28 Yeah. So let me ask you this, Marty.
00:17:29 --> 00:17:36 When you talk about Kamala and the responses to the media, one of,
00:17:36 --> 00:17:39 I guess it was Charlemagne or somebody asked her that question directly.
00:17:39 --> 00:17:46 And she said it was discipline that she was staying on message, whatever she was,
00:17:46 --> 00:17:52 whatever talking point she was given, whatever talking point she felt comfortable saying that,
00:17:52 --> 00:17:59 that it was discipline and that she needed to stay on that discipline in order
00:17:59 --> 00:18:05 to make sure that the point she wanted to get out was out. You think that that was a bad idea.
00:18:05 --> 00:18:11 Why? It was definitely a mistake, Eric, because, and I don't even think Charlemagne,
00:18:11 --> 00:18:13 the God, bought it. How could he buy that?
00:18:14 --> 00:18:19 You know what defense mechanisms are? Well, you know, she was using a defense
00:18:19 --> 00:18:21 mechanism. She was rationalizing.
00:18:21 --> 00:18:28 She was justifying her unwillingness to answer questions posed by the media,
00:18:28 --> 00:18:32 unless it was in a friendly environment and it was controlled.
00:18:32 --> 00:18:38 And it was obvious to, I would think it was obvious to voters,
00:18:38 --> 00:18:44 anyone who watched any of these encounters she had with the media.
00:18:44 --> 00:18:53 She didn't come off as being real or credible, real as a person, I thought.
00:18:53 --> 00:19:02 And I believe that her handlers made a fatal error in not allowing her.
00:19:03 --> 00:19:07 Taking her off the leash and letting her answer some questions.
00:19:07 --> 00:19:12 However, I am wondering if she was simply incapable.
00:19:13 --> 00:19:17 If you look at some of her other appearances in the media,
00:19:18 --> 00:19:22 like that space thing she did with the kiddie actors or something,
00:19:23 --> 00:19:28 where she was, I just don't think she's capable.
00:19:28 --> 00:19:35 I think she has anxiety issues. I think some of this is pathological and,
00:19:35 --> 00:19:39 you know, hey, I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV.
00:19:40 --> 00:19:46 However, I know human behavior and I understand communications and body language
00:19:46 --> 00:19:53 and those sorts of things that define one's ability to communicate.
00:19:54 --> 00:19:58 And I wasn't seeing it. I wasn't seeing it.
00:19:58 --> 00:20:01 I wasn't seeing a genuineness. I was
00:20:01 --> 00:20:04 seeing stock answers I was seeing
00:20:04 --> 00:20:08 unintelligible answers and
00:20:08 --> 00:20:11 she had the friendly media on her
00:20:11 --> 00:20:15 side obviously she did do some friendly
00:20:15 --> 00:20:18 media interviews and she was being talked up
00:20:18 --> 00:20:21 by most of the mainstream media or
00:20:21 --> 00:20:25 all of it for all I know and you know
00:20:25 --> 00:20:28 it it looked it it looked
00:20:28 --> 00:20:31 good for her as far as what she was getting from
00:20:31 --> 00:20:34 from the media however her own
00:20:34 --> 00:20:38 appearances were just not convincing
00:20:38 --> 00:20:46 eric to me well let me i'll i'll push back a little bit on that because i think
00:20:46 --> 00:20:53 i think one because i've been in it not not to that extent right i mean I've
00:20:53 --> 00:20:56 run a statewide campaign before and I've had to,
00:20:56 --> 00:21:00 but I'm a, I'm a different type of person and I kind of get where you're going with that.
00:21:01 --> 00:21:06 I'm, I'm, I can be spontaneous. I can handle certain things and all that.
00:21:06 --> 00:21:10 But, you know, when I was, when we got to a certain level, it's like,
00:21:10 --> 00:21:15 okay, you know, just in case you get in a debate or whatever case,
00:21:15 --> 00:21:18 we need you to make sure that we've got these points covered.
00:21:18 --> 00:21:22 And, you know, at the national level, They send you all these talking points
00:21:22 --> 00:21:25 and they want you to do this. I've had to be surrogate for a candidate.
00:21:26 --> 00:21:32 And so I get the talking points. And I was even explaining to one of my my co-workers,
00:21:32 --> 00:21:34 you know, is like, well, she doesn't really answer questions.
00:21:34 --> 00:21:38 And I said, have you ever heard of this term called artful dodging?
00:21:39 --> 00:21:42 I said, that's a skill set that a lot of politicians have to have.
00:21:43 --> 00:21:46 If you if you if you don't want to lie about something or you don't want to
00:21:46 --> 00:21:51 really give the whole truth, but you want to give a semblance of answering the
00:21:51 --> 00:21:55 question or if you really don't know and you're not comfortable with saying, I don't know.
00:21:56 --> 00:22:02 Then that's a skill set you develop to say, OK, well, this is this is this is
00:22:02 --> 00:22:04 the answer I'm going to give you.
00:22:04 --> 00:22:10 Now, some reporters are like they're going to stay on you until they get the
00:22:10 --> 00:22:14 answer that they know that you're not BSing them, right, that you're not pulling their leg.
00:22:15 --> 00:22:19 And then, you know, but in this news cycle, in the times we're in,
00:22:19 --> 00:22:23 if you got a soundbite, run it and let's keep it moving, right?
00:22:24 --> 00:22:28 So I think that's where if you're saying the media was friendly,
00:22:28 --> 00:22:30 I think the media is impatient.
00:22:30 --> 00:22:35 And I think that as long as they got a answer that they can run at five,
00:22:35 --> 00:22:39 at six, you know, on their a block shows, if it's cable news,
00:22:40 --> 00:22:43 then they're going to run with that and keep it moving. Right.
00:22:44 --> 00:22:50 I think for somebody that was saying, OK, you're running for president and you've
00:22:50 --> 00:22:52 got one hundred and seven days to win.
00:22:53 --> 00:22:57 I think she did a phenomenal job. I don't know if I could have pulled that off.
00:22:57 --> 00:23:01 And I know you think I'm you hold me in high esteem and I appreciate it,
00:23:01 --> 00:23:05 but I don't think I could have I could have been as smooth as she looked.
00:23:06 --> 00:23:10 You know, 107 days. And I think she accomplished what she wanted to accomplish
00:23:10 --> 00:23:13 as far as energizing a particular base.
00:23:14 --> 00:23:18 Now, I don't, I don't, I don't disagree with you that she didn't do what needed
00:23:18 --> 00:23:22 to be done to win the election because it's obvious she didn't win.
00:23:22 --> 00:23:28 But, and then with the endorsement piece, yeah, now we're finding out,
00:23:28 --> 00:23:34 but see, a lot of that money is not necessarily money that goes into these celebrities pockets.
00:23:34 --> 00:23:38 It's like, if it's anything, if I'm, if I'm bringing Bruce Springsteen in and
00:23:38 --> 00:23:43 he's talking about performing, that means I got to pay for the acoustics people.
00:23:43 --> 00:23:45 I got to pay for the guy that handles his guitar.
00:23:46 --> 00:23:49 I got to pay for all this stuff. I got to pay for the bus to get them to the
00:23:49 --> 00:23:51 rally or the plane or whatever.
00:23:51 --> 00:23:54 It's not like his money is getting a pocket. It's just like,
00:23:54 --> 00:23:57 you know, it's just like if they were performing in a concert,
00:23:57 --> 00:24:00 you're, you're the producer and you're trying to get this act to participate
00:24:00 --> 00:24:03 at this venue that that's basically
00:24:03 --> 00:24:06 how that money went but nonetheless i get what you're
00:24:06 --> 00:24:09 saying about spending money on celebrity endorsements because i'm
00:24:09 --> 00:24:15 not a big fan of endorsements either i you can ask people you know it was like
00:24:15 --> 00:24:19 you know i've had people as like believe that endorsements are religion i live
00:24:19 --> 00:24:24 in georgia it's like they believe in having a push card with yearbook pictures
00:24:24 --> 00:24:28 of all these elected officials saying that i support this person and all that.
00:24:28 --> 00:24:31 And people don't really care about that because a lot of those folks,
00:24:32 --> 00:24:36 people have questions about whether they're going to vote for those people or not. Right.
00:24:37 --> 00:24:42 So, you know, a lot of times those endorsement things don't really mean a whole
00:24:42 --> 00:24:49 lot, but it serves a purpose, especially in a presidential level to generate excitement.
00:24:49 --> 00:24:54 And I think when you're trying to run a campaign that normally takes two years
00:24:54 --> 00:24:59 in this cycle and you're trying to do it in two months, I think,
00:24:59 --> 00:25:02 you know, you got to roll the dice,
00:25:03 --> 00:25:06 and say, okay, we got to generate excitement everywhere we go.
00:25:06 --> 00:25:08 So if we're in Houston, we get Beyonce. If we're in New Jersey,
00:25:09 --> 00:25:13 we get Bruce Springsteen. You understand what I'm saying? So I don't necessarily falter for that.
00:25:14 --> 00:25:18 But I do agree that message was an issue.
00:25:19 --> 00:25:23 And even though she was laying out, this is what I want to do.
00:25:23 --> 00:25:26 This is what I want to do with this. And this is what I want to do with that.
00:25:27 --> 00:25:30 It was just kind of like what you were sensing.
00:25:30 --> 00:25:35 I think, you know, a lot of people. And then another thing, another dynamic
00:25:35 --> 00:25:40 with this election to me was that people voted early.
00:25:41 --> 00:25:47 80% of the American electric voted before election day, which has never happened before.
00:25:47 --> 00:25:53 So people had their minds made up and they were just really waiting for the opportunity to go do it.
00:25:54 --> 00:26:03 And so whatever she said within the last 30 days of the campaign was in and out. It didn't matter.
00:26:03 --> 00:26:07 Whatever Trump did in the last 30 days was in and out because people had made
00:26:07 --> 00:26:13 up their minds at that particular point. And that's when the early voting started, like 30 days out.
00:26:13 --> 00:26:21 So I don't I don't know if there was anything that she could have done to change
00:26:21 --> 00:26:25 that outcome. I was okay. Let me, let me ask you this.
00:26:26 --> 00:26:35 So I I've, I've been an advocate for people who have served their time, right.
00:26:36 --> 00:26:40 In jail or whatever, to be able to get a fresh start, whether it's to be allowed
00:26:40 --> 00:26:43 to vote, get a job, all this kind of stuff.
00:26:44 --> 00:26:49 And a good number of Americans don't really like that, right?
00:26:49 --> 00:26:55 They, you know, it's a stigma that's on people. And it's a stigma that people
00:26:55 --> 00:26:59 have put on themselves because they committed the crime. But if they are trying
00:26:59 --> 00:27:02 to do something better in life, I think they should get another chance.
00:27:03 --> 00:27:05 That's just, that's my political position.
00:27:06 --> 00:27:11 But I never conceived of anybody being president out of that.
00:27:11 --> 00:27:18 Right. Why do you think the American people made a decision that despite all
00:27:18 --> 00:27:24 of this stuff that Trump was dealing with from the legal side, that they said, well,
00:27:24 --> 00:27:27 we're going to give him a second chance.
00:27:28 --> 00:27:32 But if they had a business and somebody came in and said, well,
00:27:32 --> 00:27:36 I, you know, I worked, you know, I had to do time and all that stuff.
00:27:37 --> 00:27:41 They might not even get an interview if they check that box on that application.
00:27:41 --> 00:27:42 You see where I'm going with that?
00:27:42 --> 00:27:48 Why do you feel that American people were forgiving of Donald Trump when it's
00:27:48 --> 00:27:52 not natural for them to be forgiving of anybody else in a similar situation?
00:27:52 --> 00:27:59 Well, I will say this, Eric, I agree with you that somebody who does time and
00:27:59 --> 00:28:02 gets out deserves a second chance.
00:28:03 --> 00:28:07 Why not? That's pretty much a no brainer to me.
00:28:07 --> 00:28:19 I think the deal with Trump was that people saw that the government or whatever
00:28:19 --> 00:28:24 was piling on him regarding all these lawfare,
00:28:24 --> 00:28:27 it's a new term, lawfare cases.
00:28:27 --> 00:28:30 And it was just one after
00:28:30 --> 00:28:34 the other and it seemed clear to
00:28:34 --> 00:28:38 people that he was being railroaded
00:28:38 --> 00:28:47 and that's that's what i perceived that he was being railroaded and so ergo
00:28:47 --> 00:28:54 they were able to to look past that he was somebody took a shot at him.
00:28:55 --> 00:29:02 And he used that to max benefit. And then somebody had a gun and was apprehended,
00:29:02 --> 00:29:05 attempting to do the same thing.
00:29:05 --> 00:29:08 He goes to McDonald's and serves up fries.
00:29:08 --> 00:29:16 You know, he's like just, you know, going around and doing all that and getting a lot of buzz.
00:29:17 --> 00:29:20 However, I do, you know, let's get back to what you were saying.
00:29:21 --> 00:29:23 Trump is a flawed guy.
00:29:23 --> 00:29:29 He's a narcissist. He's a sociopath who is emotional.
00:29:30 --> 00:29:37 Sociopaths are emotional. And he's a ready, fire, aim type guy.
00:29:37 --> 00:29:38 He is incredibly flawed.
00:29:39 --> 00:29:47 And these sexual cases, harassment or rape or whatever, you know,
00:29:47 --> 00:29:52 although I must say, I've been in Bergdorf Goodman's fitting rooms.
00:29:52 --> 00:29:58 And I don't understand how anyone could get raped in a Bergdorf Goodman fitting room.
00:29:59 --> 00:30:02 I don't get it. Now, if somebody pulled that on me, if Trump,
00:30:02 --> 00:30:06 you know, hey, he'd have his head between his legs.
00:30:07 --> 00:30:12 You know, I told you when Jack Kev tried to do that to me in his office. Did I know?
00:30:13 --> 00:30:18 Yes, ma'am, you did. Yeah. Because you talked to me about the Bergdorf thing, too.
00:30:18 --> 00:30:21 And that was the interesting part. that you're the only person i've
00:30:21 --> 00:30:27 ever heard describe that dressing room at that shopping uh at that store there's
00:30:27 --> 00:30:33 no way there's no freaking way you know i kicked the guy in the balls i mean
00:30:33 --> 00:30:38 he would not i mean to me it's it's it's the victim that's.
00:30:39 --> 00:30:43 Acceding to the perpetrator because
00:30:43 --> 00:30:47 of that person's power that happens
00:30:47 --> 00:30:50 you know that happens and eugene
00:30:50 --> 00:30:54 doesn't seem to me from what i got to
00:30:54 --> 00:30:57 be somebody who would would
00:30:57 --> 00:31:01 would he she wouldn't fight like
00:31:01 --> 00:31:04 i would because i don't give a rat's ass who
00:31:04 --> 00:31:07 trump is or anybody else you know they can
00:31:07 --> 00:31:10 go screw themselves i'm not me but i'm
00:31:10 --> 00:31:13 out of there and i forgot
00:31:13 --> 00:31:17 that i told you about the jack kemp thing but no
00:31:17 --> 00:31:27 i just think that he appealed to a huge swath of voters whether he was a criminal
00:31:27 --> 00:31:36 or not whether he did this or not and because of all the issues out there people just thought that,
00:31:37 --> 00:31:41 That voting for Trump would give them a better life.
00:31:41 --> 00:31:45 They'd be able to afford what they did before.
00:31:45 --> 00:31:53 And it was a choice. And the Democrats' messaging wasn't exactly the greatest either.
00:31:54 --> 00:31:59 And I don't understand, Eric, for the life of me, why Trump.
00:32:00 --> 00:32:08 The Democrats kept and Biden kept perpetuating the fable that the economy was
00:32:08 --> 00:32:10 so great. It may have. It was.
00:32:10 --> 00:32:15 However, people weren't feeling that. It's the old Rolling Stone headline,
00:32:15 --> 00:32:17 Perception versus Reality.
00:32:18 --> 00:32:21 You know, that was one of their famous Rolling Stones.
00:32:21 --> 00:32:28 Guys, the Rolling Stone magazine, famous ad campaigns, Perception versus Reality.
00:32:28 --> 00:32:31 And people perceived what
00:32:31 --> 00:32:35 was going on in their lives with with all these
00:32:35 --> 00:32:37 these issues so yeah they were
00:32:37 --> 00:32:45 able to turn away from the democrats and and kamala and biden and of course
00:32:45 --> 00:32:50 we have to throw in the issue of biden's foibles let's put it that way i won't
00:32:50 --> 00:32:56 say anything else but And the media and the government,
00:32:56 --> 00:33:02 the White House, I believe that voters really thought that they were being gaslighted
00:33:02 --> 00:33:05 and they didn't like that either.
00:33:05 --> 00:33:14 So in the aggregate, I believe that all of those things contributed to Trump's re-election.
00:33:15 --> 00:33:21 Kamala made a mistake in picking Tim Walz as her vice president.
00:33:21 --> 00:33:24 She should have picked Josh Shapiro.
00:33:24 --> 00:33:30 However, she was obviously afraid of offending Arabs. And I'm from Dearborn, Michigan.
00:33:30 --> 00:33:35 So, you know, hey, I have a lot of friends there and I understand what the deal is.
00:33:36 --> 00:33:41 However, from a political reality, she would have been a hell of a lot better off picking Shapiro.
00:33:41 --> 00:33:44 She may have won had she picked Shapiro.
00:33:45 --> 00:33:50 I don't know what you think, but she may have won. She came out of the gate, right out of the gate.
00:33:50 --> 00:33:57 She was great at the convention. and she did get the energy there was a lot
00:33:57 --> 00:34:01 of energy and and excitement about her candidacy.
00:34:02 --> 00:34:07 Understandably the first woman potential
00:34:07 --> 00:34:15 president of the united states i just i just think that that she did run an
00:34:15 --> 00:34:22 excellent campaign she did and that's due to her her staffing Jen O'Malley and
00:34:22 --> 00:34:23 some of the other people.
00:34:23 --> 00:34:30 However, I just don't think that she was able, for a variety of reasons,
00:34:30 --> 00:34:35 to rise to the occasion and get across the finish line.
00:34:35 --> 00:34:39 Her communications, you know what I've already said about that.
00:34:40 --> 00:34:45 She, to me, was constitutionally incapable of communicating.
00:34:46 --> 00:34:51 That's just me. She did great in the debate against Trump. She did a great job.
00:34:52 --> 00:34:55 However, when it came to those unscripted.
00:34:57 --> 00:35:07 Encounters with the press or anyone else. He was incapable of doing it, in my opinion.
00:35:07 --> 00:35:13 Meanwhile, you got Trump off there, you know, doing his little dance and talking
00:35:13 --> 00:35:16 to everybody and, you know, connecting with everybody.
00:35:17 --> 00:35:22 And it was the antithesis of Kamala Harris.
00:35:22 --> 00:35:25 And i think that democrats
00:35:25 --> 00:35:28 now are really rethinking their messaging
00:35:28 --> 00:35:31 there's a good piece in the new republic which i
00:35:31 --> 00:35:35 read about trump 2.0 except in
00:35:35 --> 00:35:39 in this scenario it's all the horror things
00:35:39 --> 00:35:42 that will happen to america under trump
00:35:42 --> 00:35:45 everything it's it's it's a litany of
00:35:45 --> 00:35:49 of a shit show of trump
00:35:49 --> 00:35:52 47 so you know
00:35:52 --> 00:35:55 who knows what's going to happen i know
00:35:55 --> 00:36:01 that trump is vengeful i'm sure he's going to take out all sorts of revenge
00:36:01 --> 00:36:10 on his opponents because that's part of his his his personality his sociopathic
00:36:10 --> 00:36:14 personality and other things In the article in The New Republic,
00:36:14 --> 00:36:16 they talked about Schedule F.
00:36:17 --> 00:36:23 And I don't think that Trump is going to round up every illegal alien.
00:36:24 --> 00:36:33 Post-haste and send them out of the country at gunpoint, although I can understand
00:36:33 --> 00:36:38 why Democrats are concerned about Trump 2.0.
00:36:38 --> 00:36:42 It's a good article. Nina Burley writes it in The New Republic,
00:36:43 --> 00:36:44 and I read The New Republic.
00:36:45 --> 00:36:47 So it's worth taking a look at,
00:36:48 --> 00:36:52 although I think the scare tactics,
00:36:52 --> 00:36:55 i believe are unwarranted we're going to have to
00:36:55 --> 00:36:58 see how this whole thing shakes out his presidency
00:36:58 --> 00:37:06 i'm sure he'll make some he'll make some decent reforms however i don't know
00:37:06 --> 00:37:14 and some of his nominees at that uh matt gates my god i don't know if you want
00:37:14 --> 00:37:16 to go yeah i mean Yeah, because,
00:37:16 --> 00:37:24 see, my thing with a lot of the people that a lot of the concern that that people have, including me,
00:37:25 --> 00:37:30 because my joke when he was president the first time was whenever I went to
00:37:30 --> 00:37:36 D.C., I said, please take me by the department, the the the archive, National Archives.
00:37:36 --> 00:37:39 And they say, well, I just want to make sure the Constitution is still on display
00:37:39 --> 00:37:44 because he doesn't give a damn about the Constitution one way or the other.
00:37:45 --> 00:37:51 And I'm more concerned about it this time because, one, he's been in office
00:37:51 --> 00:37:57 before, so he he has a better grasp this time of what he can and can't get away with.
00:37:57 --> 00:38:03 And he's going to have people that are not going to tell him no as quick.
00:38:03 --> 00:38:10 Now, the Matt Gaetz thing is a sign that there may still be a pulse right in D.C.
00:38:10 --> 00:38:14 Because, you know, out of all the names that came out, Matt Gaetz was like,
00:38:15 --> 00:38:18 yeah, he's not acceptable because you had Republican senators saying,
00:38:19 --> 00:38:20 yeah, I'm not voting for this guy.
00:38:20 --> 00:38:26 You literally had a debate whether my guest, who's a representative from Mississippi
00:38:26 --> 00:38:31 on the Ethics Commission, was kind of like, yeah, we found some things,
00:38:31 --> 00:38:34 but I'm not at liberty to say it because now he's resigned.
00:38:34 --> 00:38:37 And I don't know what the speaker wants to do.
00:38:37 --> 00:38:44 But there was a lot of hesitancy with him. And then that John Thune was picked
00:38:44 --> 00:38:49 as the majority leader instead of Rick Scott, who Trump wanted,
00:38:50 --> 00:38:52 that looks like perception.
00:38:52 --> 00:39:03 That looks like that there is still some backbone within the Republican Party
00:39:03 --> 00:39:11 and that they're going to not let President Trump do everything that he wants to do.
00:39:13 --> 00:39:19 But, you know, I just, I don't, I'm with you on the, the nominee.
00:39:19 --> 00:39:22 I just, I mean, you know, the whole concept of that is supposed to be,
00:39:22 --> 00:39:26 you're supposed to be trying to get the best and the brightest in a position
00:39:26 --> 00:39:29 to push your policy. Right.
00:39:30 --> 00:39:34 And I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think he's doing that.
00:39:34 --> 00:39:37 I think he's just picking who looks good on television. Right.
00:39:38 --> 00:39:40 Because Tulsi Gabbard's been on TV.
00:39:41 --> 00:39:46 Gates is on TV all the time. The lady that he picked to replace Gates, she's been on TV.
00:39:47 --> 00:39:51 Huckabee had a TV show. You know what I'm saying? All these all these folks.
00:39:52 --> 00:39:55 I mean, even the guy for the secretary of defense. Yeah, he served his country,
00:39:55 --> 00:39:58 but he's I mean, he wasn't a general.
00:39:58 --> 00:40:02 You know what I'm saying? So it's like now you're going to elevate him over
00:40:02 --> 00:40:06 all these people to be over the Department of Defense. If you wanted to be secretary
00:40:06 --> 00:40:08 of the army, that makes sense.
00:40:08 --> 00:40:13 But the actual secretary of defense, you know, I.
00:40:14 --> 00:40:19 So, yeah, I have some. We haven't even got to any policy discussion yet.
00:40:19 --> 00:40:23 It's just like I just believe that if you're going if you're serious about the
00:40:23 --> 00:40:30 job and and you really are committed to doing something because 76 million people
00:40:30 --> 00:40:32 voted for you to do your job.
00:40:32 --> 00:40:35 Right it's like like you
00:40:35 --> 00:40:38 said people have hopes and they have dreams and
00:40:38 --> 00:40:43 they have concerns that they want you to address you
00:40:43 --> 00:40:45 know so it's like he didn't rise to the
00:40:45 --> 00:40:52 occasion last time and based on what i'm looking at with his appointments i
00:40:52 --> 00:40:58 don't think he's going to rise to the occasion again but so i mean what you
00:40:58 --> 00:41:03 you've been up there you you've lived that life you've you've been on that side of the Potomac River.
00:41:04 --> 00:41:11 Do you think that the natural instinct of people that are elected,
00:41:11 --> 00:41:15 people that are in Congress, are going to outweigh.
00:41:17 --> 00:41:24 His desire to get revenge, his desire to just do what he wants to do. No.
00:41:25 --> 00:41:28 And regarding Thune, I'll tell you about Thune.
00:41:28 --> 00:41:34 I think Thune was a compromise candidate between Scott and Cornyn.
00:41:34 --> 00:41:39 And Cornyn was entirely not suitable for this. Okay.
00:41:39 --> 00:41:46 I don't think so. Trump is the kind of guy, he's a freaking steamroller.
00:41:46 --> 00:41:49 And he's going to get his own way
00:41:49 --> 00:41:52 and if you don't if you don't play ball with
00:41:52 --> 00:41:58 him you know you're freaking dead and and this is how he this is how he operates
00:41:58 --> 00:42:06 and as far as gates here's my theory on gate i think trump deliberately appointed
00:42:06 --> 00:42:11 him to get him out of the house He resigns from the House,
00:42:12 --> 00:42:15 deliberately appoints him knowing he's going to go down.
00:42:15 --> 00:42:21 There's no way that the Senate's going to confirm this clown.
00:42:22 --> 00:42:30 So the guy gets out and now he has nowhere to go.
00:42:30 --> 00:42:37 And he thinks that he's going to get Rubio's Senate seat when Trump is going
00:42:37 --> 00:42:42 to appoint his daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, to that Senate seat.
00:42:43 --> 00:42:46 And then here's Gates twisting in the wind.
00:42:49 --> 00:42:56 There's talk today that, oh, he'll try to reclaim his seat.
00:42:56 --> 00:43:01 He resigned in the House. Well, he's unable to do it until next year to try
00:43:01 --> 00:43:06 to get his seat back, or he's thinking he'll run for governor of Florida.
00:43:06 --> 00:43:13 Well, you know, it'd be a cold day in hell when Gates would be elected the governor of Florida.
00:43:13 --> 00:43:18 So I think this was a rather strategic plan.
00:43:18 --> 00:43:21 To get gates the hell
00:43:21 --> 00:43:25 out of politics i know that sounds weird but
00:43:25 --> 00:43:28 that's where my strange head is going as far
00:43:28 --> 00:43:31 as gates now i i may i
00:43:31 --> 00:43:34 may be reading too much in to this and doing all
00:43:34 --> 00:43:37 this analyzation but who the hell wants gates
00:43:37 --> 00:43:40 anywhere yeah republican politics i
00:43:40 --> 00:43:44 i agree i think you know he's he's been you
00:43:44 --> 00:43:47 know a very entitled person you know
00:43:47 --> 00:43:50 to get to where he is now technically
00:43:50 --> 00:43:53 he got re-elected so if he shows up
00:43:53 --> 00:43:58 the first week of january and raises his hand he can be reinstated to congress
00:43:58 --> 00:44:05 but then that opens the investigation back up if he decides to do that so you
00:44:05 --> 00:44:09 know he's he's got till the first week in january to decide if he's going to
00:44:09 --> 00:44:12 stay out of Congress or how he's going to play that.
00:44:12 --> 00:44:15 Now, of course, his friend Marjorie Taylor Greene has said, I'm going to tell
00:44:15 --> 00:44:18 everybody's business if y'all keep going after Gates.
00:44:19 --> 00:44:27 They're going to be like, we don't care. You know, I tend to agree with you
00:44:27 --> 00:44:32 that I think they wanted him to take that fall, but Donald Trump doesn't like failure.
00:44:34 --> 00:44:38 So, you know, he doesn't want to say that he made a mistake or anything like that.
00:44:39 --> 00:44:42 So, you know, what kind of spin would he put on that?
00:44:43 --> 00:44:46 You know, I think the best thing to have. I don't know what kind of deal he made.
00:44:46 --> 00:44:51 You don't know what kind of deal he made. This thing, the machinations,
00:44:51 --> 00:44:57 the political machinations to get rid of this guy, Trump might be able to just eat that.
00:44:58 --> 00:45:03 And whatever, what favor did he get in return? You know, this is what the whole thing is.
00:45:04 --> 00:45:08 What did he get in return for annihilating Gates, for example?
00:45:09 --> 00:45:14 The quid pro quo and Marjorie Taylor Greene, please.
00:45:15 --> 00:45:20 My God, Congress is not what it used to be. The House isn't what it used to be.
00:45:21 --> 00:45:25 That whack job does not belong in the U.S. House of Representatives.
00:45:26 --> 00:45:30 Period. Full stop. It's an embarrassment.
00:45:30 --> 00:45:33 She's an she's an abject embarrassment
00:45:33 --> 00:45:37 to the reputation of of
00:45:37 --> 00:45:43 congress of the house of representatives and anyone who served before who's
00:45:43 --> 00:45:49 dead is rolling in their grave you know this is insane as far as his other appointees
00:45:49 --> 00:45:53 okay he stuck pan bondy in there yeah she's a tv talking head.
00:45:54 --> 00:45:58 He's put Pete Hagseth as deck def.
00:45:58 --> 00:46:01 Now, you know, I don't know how that thing's going to shake out.
00:46:02 --> 00:46:05 They're saying that one is pretty shaky, Hagseth.
00:46:05 --> 00:46:12 However, I don't see him tailed between his legs, trotting back to Fox and sitting,
00:46:13 --> 00:46:17 as a host on the Fox weekend or whatever it is.
00:46:18 --> 00:46:20 I don't know what the hell's going to happen with that.
00:46:20 --> 00:46:22 For some reason, I see him getting in, but.
00:46:23 --> 00:46:27 The skin of his ass you know who else
00:46:27 --> 00:46:30 do we have there we've got we've the
00:46:30 --> 00:46:34 linda mcmahon secretary of education wwe
00:46:34 --> 00:46:37 she's been on tv enough who else
00:46:37 --> 00:46:42 has been on tv i had mentioned uh tulsi gabbard the former congress yeah yeah
00:46:42 --> 00:46:47 she's been all over the place she's been all over the place the you knew that
00:46:47 --> 00:46:54 was going to happen and then as national security advisor i don't know how qualified she is for that.
00:46:55 --> 00:47:03 But then again, you got to understand that these political appointments are payback.
00:47:03 --> 00:47:07 This is what happens. It's not necessarily the most qualified person.
00:47:08 --> 00:47:15 It's payback. I worked for the government for a while in one of my previous incarnations.
00:47:15 --> 00:47:19 I was a senior white house political appointee
00:47:19 --> 00:47:22 under george bush of
00:47:22 --> 00:47:25 41 so i get assigned to one
00:47:25 --> 00:47:28 agency and the guy who's the head of the agency
00:47:28 --> 00:47:33 it's a small business administration was is
00:47:33 --> 00:47:39 the owner of fleral bruce gelb so bruce gelb comes in there he's entirely clueless
00:47:39 --> 00:47:45 and every time i saw him he asked me did you do something different with your
00:47:45 --> 00:47:53 hair honest to god every time he he talked what did you do with your hair i mean the guy was just.
00:47:54 --> 00:47:57 Incompetent well he did work for marty he
00:47:57 --> 00:48:00 did work for clairell i mean you know that that would be
00:48:00 --> 00:48:02 that's kind of where he was making his money so he was going to
00:48:02 --> 00:48:05 notice the loan clairell but still
00:48:05 --> 00:48:12 you know what a dumbass comment to say to someone who's i was you know he was
00:48:12 --> 00:48:17 unable to have a normal conversation with someone you know and he had to say
00:48:17 --> 00:48:24 something dumbass like that you know I saw so much when I was a political appointee,
00:48:24 --> 00:48:26 so much incompetence.
00:48:26 --> 00:48:30 This was a Republican administration. I couldn't believe it.
00:48:31 --> 00:48:37 I saw more competence among the civil servants than I did the political appointees.
00:48:37 --> 00:48:41 It was just a, can you say the F word on this? No.
00:48:43 --> 00:48:47 You don't say the F word here. Okay. It was just an effing joke.
00:48:47 --> 00:48:52 I mean, honest to God, I worked for two different agencies and I've never seen
00:48:52 --> 00:48:54 anything like it so much.
00:48:55 --> 00:49:01 Oh, my God. You know, I actually got somebody fired who was a career civil servant
00:49:01 --> 00:49:07 because he was sitting in his office with a door closed, writing a book.
00:49:07 --> 00:49:09 He'd already written books before.
00:49:09 --> 00:49:13 So I had to get so much book on this guy to get his ass fired.
00:49:13 --> 00:49:17 But I actually got a career civil servant fired.
00:49:17 --> 00:49:23 And it's impossible. It's almost impossible to dislodge them once they're in.
00:49:23 --> 00:49:28 They're like cockroaches. The roaches check in and they never check out.
00:49:30 --> 00:49:38 And Gelb, the Clairol dude, ended up being the pointed ambassador to the Seychelles.
00:49:38 --> 00:49:39 Is that how you say it? Yeah.
00:49:40 --> 00:49:46 They shuffled him off somewhere else because he was a big donor. I'm so jaded, Eric.
00:49:47 --> 00:49:50 And honestly, I'm so bloody jaded. I understand.
00:49:51 --> 00:49:55 And, you know, these national politics will get that way.
00:49:55 --> 00:50:01 But let's see if we can wrap this up a little bit, because I want to pick your
00:50:01 --> 00:50:05 brain just like I did and asking you who you thought was going to win.
00:50:06 --> 00:50:10 You know, there's a lot of talk about what Trump's going to do when he first
00:50:10 --> 00:50:15 gets in. And one of the things he is talking about is getting rid of a lot of
00:50:15 --> 00:50:18 the getting rid of that civil service protection.
00:50:20 --> 00:50:26 And he's and he's talking about even though he said he only had a concept of
00:50:26 --> 00:50:30 a plan that he wants to deal with the Affordable Care Act.
00:50:30 --> 00:50:33 He wants to modify it, do something.
00:50:34 --> 00:50:38 He had one proposal back in the day to make it so that.
00:50:40 --> 00:50:46 States. Like if you lived in Georgia and you saw that Mississippi had a cheaper
00:50:46 --> 00:50:49 rate, that he would allow people to do that.
00:50:50 --> 00:50:52 That was one positive thing he wanted to do.
00:50:53 --> 00:50:56 But, you know, usually when you open it up to do, quote unquote,
00:50:57 --> 00:51:02 a positive thing, then all sorts of other stuff, you know, happens when you
00:51:02 --> 00:51:04 when you reopen legislation.
00:51:05 --> 00:51:09 I remember I wanted to change something in the state legislature,
00:51:09 --> 00:51:13 Mississippi, and, but I was going to open the landlord tenant act and nobody
00:51:13 --> 00:51:19 wanted that reopened because they didn't want the realtor association to get in there and mess it up.
00:51:19 --> 00:51:23 And, you know, they felt they had a pretty good compromise and they took 30
00:51:23 --> 00:51:26 years to get that passed. And they were like, Oh, Fleming, no,
00:51:26 --> 00:51:27 no, we're not going to do that. You know what I'm saying?
00:51:27 --> 00:51:30 So I get that there's some reluctance in that.
00:51:31 --> 00:51:35 What do you think that Trump is going to be able to do in his first hundred
00:51:35 --> 00:51:41 days that we as voters, as political observers, need to watch out for?
00:51:41 --> 00:51:48 I don't think he's going to touch the Affordable Care Act in the first 100 days.
00:51:49 --> 00:51:56 And I have no idea, Eric, what he wants to do with it. What's so bad about the Affordable Care Act?
00:51:57 --> 00:52:00 Doesn't it permit people to get insurance?
00:52:01 --> 00:52:04 What's he going to do to it to make it any different or any
00:52:04 --> 00:52:08 better that's the point i i
00:52:08 --> 00:52:12 honestly don't think he's going to touch that the first
00:52:12 --> 00:52:18 thing he's going to do is he's going to crack down on all these uh migrants
00:52:18 --> 00:52:23 in the country that's what i think he's going to do he already said it i'm not
00:52:23 --> 00:52:29 saying anything that anybody doesn't know So as far as taking away civil service protection,
00:52:30 --> 00:52:36 I think that he's hell-bent on reforming civil service.
00:52:36 --> 00:52:43 And he's hell-bent on firing thousands of federal employees.
00:52:43 --> 00:52:49 You know that. That's what he wants to do. He and Elon and that Doge, you know.
00:52:51 --> 00:52:55 Doge. I wrote a headline that said, who let the Doge out?
00:52:56 --> 00:53:02 But, you know, I mean, really, that's what they're going to do.
00:53:02 --> 00:53:10 They're going to go in there with a machete and they're going to slash, you know, everything.
00:53:10 --> 00:53:15 They're going to slash employees. They're going to slash government agencies.
00:53:15 --> 00:53:24 They're going to get rid of all the people they think, all the jobs they think are expendable.
00:53:24 --> 00:53:31 You can call them the expendables that's what they're going to do and I think between the.
00:53:32 --> 00:53:41 Getting rid of the migrants imported by the Biden administration and the federal
00:53:41 --> 00:53:43 agencies and civil service,
00:53:44 --> 00:53:51 I think those are a couple of things that they're going to do right away.
00:53:51 --> 00:53:55 And federal employees should be just cracking in their pants because they don't
00:53:55 --> 00:53:57 know what's going to happen.
00:53:58 --> 00:54:01 They don't know their future. you know throw them
00:54:01 --> 00:54:06 out on the street so they can collect government benefits i
00:54:06 --> 00:54:08 don't know i just don't know and i'm i'm trying
00:54:08 --> 00:54:12 to think of i mean do you have any ideas what
00:54:12 --> 00:54:15 he's going to do in his first hundred days
00:54:15 --> 00:54:19 do you think he'll implement that schedule f yeah
00:54:19 --> 00:54:22 and i think that's that's the main thing because if he
00:54:22 --> 00:54:27 if he does that and and i'm gonna i'm gonna say it to you And I've said it to
00:54:27 --> 00:54:32 my listeners and stuff that that actually is a black or African-American issue
00:54:32 --> 00:54:38 because the biggest employer of African-Americans in the United States is the
00:54:38 --> 00:54:40 government, whether it's federal, state, local.
00:54:41 --> 00:54:47 And so if you're going to get rid of that many government employees,
00:54:47 --> 00:54:53 well, that's going to have a major impact on the black community because a lot
00:54:53 --> 00:54:56 of black people work for the federal government.
00:54:57 --> 00:55:03 So I think, you know, that that's that was that was when that project 2025 first
00:55:03 --> 00:55:06 came out, that was the first thing that kind of got my attention.
00:55:06 --> 00:55:10 I think I'm with you. I think he's going to deal with that first.
00:55:11 --> 00:55:19 And I think he really does have a desire to try to address the immigration issue.
00:55:20 --> 00:55:23 But he's not going to be able to get rid of 11 million people.
00:55:24 --> 00:55:27 He's already some of his folks already dumbed that down and said,
00:55:27 --> 00:55:30 well, you know, he's probably going to get rid of a million,
00:55:30 --> 00:55:33 you know, a year or whatever the case may be.
00:55:33 --> 00:55:36 But that still has four million people you're talking about trying to do in four years.
00:55:37 --> 00:55:41 Yeah. So, you know, I think that's all going to be smoke and mirrors.
00:55:41 --> 00:55:46 I don't think that's going to be anywhere close to the numbers that he's talking about.
00:55:46 --> 00:55:52 I think I think what they want to do is like in the first four years,
00:55:53 --> 00:55:57 create something when he was separating the families and all that.
00:55:57 --> 00:56:03 Try to create a deterrence and try to keep people from coming to the United States.
00:56:04 --> 00:56:08 I don't think he realistically can get rid of 11 million folks.
00:56:08 --> 00:56:14 I don't think, you know, we we we can expend that kind of resource to do that.
00:56:15 --> 00:56:19 But you know but he's gonna build the wall well again
00:56:19 --> 00:56:22 i think it's all gonna be smoking mirrors i think he's gonna do like he did
00:56:22 --> 00:56:26 last time he's gonna he's gonna push through i mean biden ended up building
00:56:26 --> 00:56:32 more of his wall than he did you know because a lot of the deadlines fell under
00:56:32 --> 00:56:36 biden's administration the body was like look it's in the it's in the budget
00:56:36 --> 00:56:38 we got to put it up you You know,
00:56:39 --> 00:56:43 but yeah, I think he's just going to, you know, he'll he'll have some spaces.
00:56:44 --> 00:56:48 He's going to get somebody who's going to there's some federal land available
00:56:48 --> 00:56:51 in Texas. He's going to round up some people and put them out there.
00:56:52 --> 00:56:55 And I don't know if they're going to be intense or what the deal is,
00:56:55 --> 00:56:57 but it's going to be a show.
00:56:57 --> 00:57:03 All I think is just going to be a show to try to discourage people from immigrating
00:57:03 --> 00:57:07 into the United States and try to get the numbers down and all that.
00:57:07 --> 00:57:13 But as far as actually working on the problem and having a comprehensive solution
00:57:13 --> 00:57:15 to the problem, I don't see that happening.
00:57:17 --> 00:57:21 Well, you know, he wants the Venezuelan gang, Trende Aragua.
00:57:22 --> 00:57:29 I mean, that gang has spread countrywide. And I know that he's concerned about that gang and crime.
00:57:29 --> 00:57:35 Maybe he'll go after those people first, you know, to get them out of there.
00:57:35 --> 00:57:40 Because, you know, that's really worrisome.
00:57:40 --> 00:57:45 And as far as civil servants, let me tell you, the best employees I ever worked
00:57:45 --> 00:57:48 with or supervised are the black employees.
00:57:48 --> 00:57:52 I got along so well with them. They were so competent.
00:57:52 --> 00:57:58 And it would be a crying shame if they're the ones who get hit by this.
00:57:59 --> 00:58:04 If I were Trump, I'd get rid of all the political, the white dude and dudette
00:58:04 --> 00:58:07 political appointees who were morons.
00:58:07 --> 00:58:12 And then some of these other white guys who were in there who don't know shit from Shinola.
00:58:12 --> 00:58:15 You know, I saw it. You know, I'm not making this up.
00:58:16 --> 00:58:21 And keep the solid employees. I had the best.
00:58:21 --> 00:58:29 I was so impressed with the my employees in this one department and and agency wide.
00:58:31 --> 00:58:39 And I would think based on merit that the black federal employees to be sitting
00:58:39 --> 00:58:43 pretty, although you just don't know, you know, I, again,
00:58:44 --> 00:58:50 why, why, why get rid of, why jettison the excellent employees in favor of these
00:58:50 --> 00:58:53 doofuses who don't know. Because it's going to be a loyalty test.
00:58:53 --> 00:58:59 I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's the whole premise. It's like, and that's the concern.
00:58:59 --> 00:59:04 And it's like if you if you have fidelity to President Trump and his administration,
00:59:04 --> 00:59:10 that's a plus for you. If you are an independent person, that's like,
00:59:10 --> 00:59:13 I'm going to do what the procedures are.
00:59:13 --> 00:59:18 I'm going to do with what what's the guidelines of the agency.
00:59:18 --> 00:59:23 He doesn't necessarily want that. At least that's that's the perception he's given.
00:59:23 --> 00:59:29 So the more competent you are, the more likely you'll probably get released because he.
00:59:29 --> 00:59:34 He wants people who are loyal to him, and that's the concern.
00:59:35 --> 00:59:41 The thing is, that's why they have political appointees. They just flood these
00:59:41 --> 00:59:45 agencies with all these loyalists, you know, these political appointees.
00:59:46 --> 00:59:49 Each agency has a liaison office with the White House.
00:59:49 --> 00:59:53 I mean, it's just unbelievable. There's somebody stuck there,
00:59:53 --> 00:59:59 some political hack in this office of liaison between the White House.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:08 And all these, you know, I saw a woman, a young girl in my department who was
01:00:08 --> 01:00:12 put there because her father donated money and all this.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:19 I mean, it's just, it's just, it's reprehensible in my opinion. It really is.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:27 I just don't like it at all. You know, let's get jobs based on merit and don't
01:00:27 --> 01:00:30 put people in positions that don't.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:34 Which they are way over their skis and i
01:00:34 --> 01:00:41 saw it at the voice of america i saw it in other places too you know and and
01:00:41 --> 01:00:51 that if if if elon's and the vapes doge goes after people like that then yay
01:00:51 --> 01:00:53 hey, you know, get him out of there.
01:00:55 --> 01:00:59 I don't know. But if past is prologue,
01:00:59 --> 01:01:08 then Trump will continue the tradition of appointing the usual suspects who
01:01:08 --> 01:01:10 crawl right up his rear, you know,
01:01:11 --> 01:01:15 and who have given money and whatever their time and all that.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:23 And I just absolutely loathe that practice. But, you know, what do I know? Who am I? I'm nobody.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:26 I didn't work for Trump. I ain't getting a job.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:32 You know that. You were a member of representatives. You were a politician in Missouri.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:38 You know what the thrill is. Yeah. Eric? It's Mississippi.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:46 Or was it Mississippi? Yeah, it's Mississippi, but it's the same in Missouri or anywhere else.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:50 I mean, everybody knows about the grift and all that stuff.
01:01:50 --> 01:01:55 And i didn't play the game which is why i only served so many years i didn't
01:01:55 --> 01:02:01 i didn't stay up there for 20 or 30 like some other folks but that's why i love
01:02:01 --> 01:02:06 you because you're real and you have principles and i just you know i could
01:02:06 --> 01:02:09 feel it i just feel it you have principles,
01:02:09 --> 01:02:16 and i admire and respect you so much eric for everything you've done hey you
01:02:16 --> 01:02:17 rolled the dice you were in there.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:25 I can make the same argument for you, Marty, because you've been in it from a.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:31 Government side and you've been in it from a media side. And so, you know, the,
01:02:32 --> 01:02:38 that's why I'm glad that we've, we've met and, you know, try to get you on so
01:02:38 --> 01:02:42 people can hear that kind of perspective, you know, because I think,
01:02:42 --> 01:02:44 I think people need to hear,
01:02:44 --> 01:02:46 need to hear something real.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:50 And so I, I'm just glad. So look,
01:02:50 --> 01:02:53 I'm gonna have to let you go because we could, we could talk for hours.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:57 Hey you know you're in georgia are you
01:02:57 --> 01:03:00 and you know my daughter's in georgia maybe i
01:03:00 --> 01:03:04 can maybe i can connect with you when i
01:03:04 --> 01:03:08 go there she's in woodstock oh that's not that's not that far from where i am
01:03:08 --> 01:03:13 i'm i'm up around in sandy springs marietta that area over there well if my
01:03:13 --> 01:03:21 son-in-law works at yamaha motors u.s headquarters in marietta he got hey that's we're going to talk.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:27 We'll talk about all that off the air. We'll make those the right.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:30 Yeah, we're still recording.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:34 So, but look, no, no, we're good. We're good.
01:03:34 --> 01:03:39 We're good. So look, Marty, let's go ahead and end that so we can finish that conversation.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:42 Thank you for coming on the podcast. I greatly appreciate you.
01:03:43 --> 01:03:46 And all right, guys, and we're going to catch y'all on the other
01:03:46 --> 01:04:06 side all right and.
01:03:49 --> 01:04:08 Music.
01:04:06 --> 01:04:13 We are back so marty thank you again for uh taking the time out to come on the
01:04:13 --> 01:04:14 podcast. I greatly appreciate it.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:20 And yeah, yeah, I look forward to hanging out with you when you're in Georgia.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:26 That's for all of my friends in the program. Whenever we can get together, that'd be great.
01:04:26 --> 01:04:32 One day I'll be able to entertain and do that kind of stuff.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:37 But right now, I just value the time that we share on the podcast.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:42 And I hope that y'all got something out of that as far as you know,
01:04:42 --> 01:04:44 how people are feeling and all that kind of stuff.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:52 But real quick, I do want to address a couple of things real quick.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:59 And one, you know, I want to understand people.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:03 I make it a point to try to get people.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:09 Just to where people come from, if I understand the history,
01:05:09 --> 01:05:11 then I can understand the action.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:16 That's the way I've always been. When I go to another city, whether to live
01:05:16 --> 01:05:21 or visit, I would like to be there to understand the history of that place.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:26 So I can understand why things are the way they are. And I definitely want to
01:05:26 --> 01:05:29 understand that with people. If I know a little bit about you,
01:05:29 --> 01:05:34 then I can kind of understand why you do the things you do.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:40 Could be anything for why you support a particular sports team or why you wanted
01:05:40 --> 01:05:44 to go in a particular profession or in the case of politics,
01:05:44 --> 01:05:48 why you push for certain issues, why you vote for certain things.
01:05:48 --> 01:05:52 The difference with politics is that, you know,
01:05:52 --> 01:05:59 actions that any of us take when we're elected has a greater impact on more
01:05:59 --> 01:06:03 than just us or more than just our immediate family surroundings.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:07 It has a greater impact. And Robert F. Kennedy Sr.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:11 Talked about the ripples in the pond, right?
01:06:12 --> 01:06:18 So there's this congresswoman named Nancy Mace. And when she first got in there,
01:06:18 --> 01:06:19 I kind of respected her as a Republican.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:27 She was not, I guess, or at least the perception was that she was not an extremist.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:28 She just was a conservative.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:36 And, you know, as the time gets in there, and like a lot of people,
01:06:36 --> 01:06:41 when they get in a position of power and exposure, you know,
01:06:41 --> 01:06:45 people kind of gravitate to that. And they want to stay in it for as long as they can.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:51 And I don't have a problem with that if you don't let that be your motivation.
01:06:51 --> 01:06:57 If you take advantage of that to utilize the position to do help and do no harm,
01:06:58 --> 01:07:02 you know, your ego gets stroked a little bit. I'm not mad at you about that.
01:07:04 --> 01:07:10 But I really think this last little thing that she did is all about ego.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:15 Now, I want to give her the benefit of the doubt. And if you're not aware of what I'm talking about,
01:07:17 --> 01:07:23 she wanted to, I guess it was a rule change she wanted to do or something,
01:07:23 --> 01:07:32 as she submitted to Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, to prohibit a new member
01:07:32 --> 01:07:38 of Congress from using the same bathroom that she would use.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:42 So Nancy Mace,
01:07:43 --> 01:07:50 white cisgendered female from North Carolina, just got reelected thanks to favorable
01:07:50 --> 01:07:53 gerrymandered redistricting, by the way.
01:07:55 --> 01:08:02 And a young lady, transgender lady from Delaware is now going to be the first
01:08:02 --> 01:08:06 transgender member of Congress. Her name is Sarah McBride.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:12 So Sarah, this is not like Sarah just popped out of nowhere.
01:08:13 --> 01:08:15 She was a state legislator in Delaware.
01:08:16 --> 01:08:22 And so she's filling, I believe, the slot that Lisa Rochester had in Congress.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:27 And now Lisa is going to be the junior senator from Delaware.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:32 And so Sarah got elected to Congress.
01:08:32 --> 01:08:40 And so, you know, it's like the freshman members come in like within a week
01:08:40 --> 01:08:43 of the election, they all show up to go through orientation,
01:08:43 --> 01:08:45 take their pictures and all that stuff.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:50 Well, it was during her orientation week that Nancy Mace decided that she wanted
01:08:50 --> 01:08:59 to take this stand and basically target Representative-elect McBride and basically
01:08:59 --> 01:09:02 send a shot across the bow saying,
01:09:02 --> 01:09:05 I don't want to see you in the same bathroom I have to go to, right?
01:09:06 --> 01:09:14 And I think that's kind of a messed up way to endear yourself or to introduce
01:09:14 --> 01:09:16 yourself to a new member of Congress.
01:09:16 --> 01:09:23 You know, as a black person, you know, it just kind of reminds me of what maybe
01:09:23 --> 01:09:26 Shirley Chisholm had to go through or John Conyers, you know,
01:09:27 --> 01:09:28 or an Oscar the priest or something like that.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:33 You know, people, Hiram Revelle's or Blanche K.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:36 Bruce, you know, when they first showed up in the building, you know,
01:09:37 --> 01:09:39 could they go to the cloakroom like everybody else?
01:09:39 --> 01:09:43 Could they go to the bathroom with other white members? You know what I'm saying?
01:09:45 --> 01:09:49 You know, during that era of segregation and all that kind of stuff.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:54 So as a black person understands history and understands human sensitivity,
01:09:54 --> 01:09:59 I just think that's a messed up way to kind of do it.
01:09:59 --> 01:10:03 And if you talk to Representative-elect McBride, she basically,
01:10:03 --> 01:10:05 it's, you know, she's not naive.
01:10:05 --> 01:10:11 She anticipated that there would be some kind of backlash, and she already had
01:10:11 --> 01:10:17 made arrangements or kind of put together a rule that she was just going to go,
01:10:17 --> 01:10:21 you know, or try to go to bathrooms that didn't have multi-stalls.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:31 So she wouldn't make people who haven't quite matured yet or haven't quite or wouldn't be accepting.
01:10:33 --> 01:10:36 Easy. And she made that decision on her own.
01:10:36 --> 01:10:41 She wasn't going to try to flout it or anything like that because her job,
01:10:41 --> 01:10:43 as she said, is to represent her constituents.
01:10:43 --> 01:10:47 She's not trying to make that point. She's already made it because she won the
01:10:47 --> 01:10:51 election and she's been in government for a number of years.
01:10:51 --> 01:10:55 So when it's time to deal with those issues, she'll deal with them,
01:10:55 --> 01:10:59 but she's not trying to make herself a martyr out of the issue.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:07 Role model, maybe, but martyr, no. And but now Nancy Mace, if you don't know
01:11:07 --> 01:11:11 her backstory, she was a victim of sexual assault.
01:11:12 --> 01:11:19 And so there are a number of people, I know black people, white people,
01:11:19 --> 01:11:29 Latino people, Asian people that have that opinion based on a previous traumatic
01:11:29 --> 01:11:30 event of sexual assault.
01:11:33 --> 01:11:41 And just the notion of somebody transgender being in the same bathroom, they go there with that.
01:11:41 --> 01:11:46 Whether you call it abnormal or whether you call it unhealthy or whatever the
01:11:46 --> 01:11:52 case may be, if we take people at the benefit of their word and give them the
01:11:52 --> 01:11:55 benefit of the doubt and try to be sensitive,
01:11:56 --> 01:11:58 that's an issue.
01:11:59 --> 01:12:06 But I would rather Nancy Mace had pulled Sarah McBride to the side,
01:12:06 --> 01:12:11 introduced herself and basically just kind of talk to her, you know,
01:12:11 --> 01:12:15 and all this kind of stuff instead of grandstanding and trying to make an issue
01:12:15 --> 01:12:18 and getting on every news media outlet or whatever,
01:12:19 --> 01:12:26 you know, and endear herself to the true social OAN Fox News crowd.
01:12:26 --> 01:12:29 Right you know it stir up something.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:35 It's funny when she says that she's a feminist, you know,
01:12:36 --> 01:12:46 and that she's not cool with all this because of her history of sexual assault,
01:12:46 --> 01:12:50 but yet you supported Donald Trump, friends with Matt Gaetz.
01:12:51 --> 01:12:56 It's like everybody that's been nominated that's got some kind of sexual assault
01:12:56 --> 01:12:58 history, there's a picture of you hugging that man.
01:12:59 --> 01:13:03 I guess because y'all are Republicans, so that's okay, right?
01:13:04 --> 01:13:09 See, it's kind of like when you're all about opportunity, that's where hypocrisy kicks in.
01:13:10 --> 01:13:14 If you're true to the game, because initially she wasn't down with Donald Trump,
01:13:15 --> 01:13:20 but she wanted to maintain, so she bowed down.
01:13:21 --> 01:13:25 But I wouldn't be trying to get a picture of him. I mean, he literally campaigned
01:13:25 --> 01:13:31 against her, and he just kind of surrendered to her because she beat his candidate,
01:13:31 --> 01:13:35 just like Brian Kemp beat Purdue in Georgia.
01:13:36 --> 01:13:41 You have to respect that guy. You have to respect that woman because I tried
01:13:41 --> 01:13:43 to take him out, and they won.
01:13:45 --> 01:13:49 She kind of had that going for her, so she doesn't really need to endear herself with him.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:55 As long as she can stay in Congress and do what needs to be done in a positive
01:13:55 --> 01:13:59 way, yeah, there's nothing really Donald Trump or anybody can do to her.
01:14:00 --> 01:14:04 Now, if they ever get those districts right in North Carolina,
01:14:04 --> 01:14:06 she may have a strong Democratic opponent.
01:14:07 --> 01:14:09 But other than that, not really.
01:14:10 --> 01:14:17 So I just think it was disingenuous the way that she went about doing it.
01:14:17 --> 01:14:25 I don't want to dismiss her history, and I don't want to dismiss that as an
01:14:25 --> 01:14:29 initial motivation or real concern.
01:14:29 --> 01:14:38 But I think in a divided nation, I think we've got to make that extra effort to understand.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:45 Because there's nothing she can do to Sarah McBride. Sarah McBride was duly
01:14:45 --> 01:14:46 elected, just like she was.
01:14:47 --> 01:14:53 Sarah McBride can't vote for or against her, and Nancy Mace can't vote or against Sarah.
01:14:54 --> 01:14:59 So they were both sent to the same place to work for the American people.
01:15:01 --> 01:15:07 So instinct for me would be to try to at least reach out and understand.
01:15:08 --> 01:15:12 But that's not an instinct, it seems like, in this day and age of politics.
01:15:12 --> 01:15:16 And if we're going to move this country forward,
01:15:16 --> 01:15:27 if you want to prove those of us who believe that the country that my ancestors
01:15:27 --> 01:15:31 fought to move forward and make better,
01:15:32 --> 01:15:36 or worked to move forward and make better.
01:15:39 --> 01:15:44 To get that instinct back. We got to get back to the point of talking to each
01:15:44 --> 01:15:46 other about understanding.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:54 I'm a little sensitive to that because of my work with the ACLU.
01:15:54 --> 01:16:02 We were given the task of empowering the transgender community politically.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:09 And that was a great experience for me. It was a learning experience, one.
01:16:09 --> 01:16:17 And to do something that up until that point, I only really focused in on African-Americans.
01:16:17 --> 01:16:23 I had done some stuff in the Latino community, but not to the extent that I
01:16:23 --> 01:16:28 had done in the African-American community to empower people and to be in a
01:16:28 --> 01:16:31 position to empower the transgender community,
01:16:31 --> 01:16:34 to find voices, to work,
01:16:34 --> 01:16:43 and to and give people the skill sets to legally and politically navigate what was coming at them.
01:16:44 --> 01:16:51 I just think we've got to get to a point where we have to accept people for who they are.
01:16:52 --> 01:16:56 We ain't got to be friends with everybody. We ain't got to agree on everything.
01:16:57 --> 01:17:02 But at some point in time, we have to realize that we have to coexist and get along.
01:17:03 --> 01:17:09 And the sooner the better because I'm about to be 60.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:16 I'm really not trying to be in a war, civil, uncivil, whatever.
01:17:16 --> 01:17:20 I'm not trying to be in any of that. I don't want it to get to that point.
01:17:21 --> 01:17:26 But we keep pushing the envelope and keep wanting to get a rise out of folks
01:17:26 --> 01:17:29 for our own political gain.
01:17:29 --> 01:17:32 That's usually how that story ends up.
01:17:34 --> 01:17:36 You don't have to look at just the history of the United States.
01:17:36 --> 01:17:37 I mean, just look all over the globe.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:46 If rational people took the lead, a lot of these conflicts that are going on
01:17:46 --> 01:17:49 all over the world and the division that's happening here in the United States would be over.
01:17:50 --> 01:17:53 Well, not over, over, but for the most part.
01:17:54 --> 01:17:57 You know, we got to get to a point of coexistence.
01:17:58 --> 01:18:03 So I don't want to come across as being harsh to Representative Mace,
01:18:04 --> 01:18:09 but I'll just say I wish that you handled that better.
01:18:09 --> 01:18:13 I wish you didn't use that as a platform or a stepping stone.
01:18:13 --> 01:18:18 I wish that you could arose to the occasion and was woman enough to talk to
01:18:18 --> 01:18:24 Representative McBride and just say, look, I come from a district.
01:18:24 --> 01:18:25 I come from a background.
01:18:26 --> 01:18:29 Around, I got some concerns, can we talk?
01:18:31 --> 01:18:35 And once she heard how Representative McBride was gonna handle that.
01:18:37 --> 01:18:42 You know, now they outside of that, they probably won't agree on anything else.
01:18:43 --> 01:18:47 But if they learn to respect each other and learn how to navigate each other's spaces.
01:18:49 --> 01:18:54 That's three fourths of the battle. And I really wish that people got that.
01:18:56 --> 01:19:01 Just let people coexist. If you if that's not your lifestyle,
01:19:01 --> 01:19:05 if that's not your life experience, that's not your socialization, that's fine.
01:19:05 --> 01:19:08 I don't care if you're a Christian. I don't care if you're a Muslim.
01:19:08 --> 01:19:11 I don't care if you're Jewish. I don't care if you're a Buddhist.
01:19:11 --> 01:19:13 I don't care if you're an atheist.
01:19:14 --> 01:19:17 When I took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the
01:19:17 --> 01:19:20 Constitution of the state I was in, which was Mississippi,
01:19:21 --> 01:19:27 my job was to make sure that your rights were protected and that your ability
01:19:27 --> 01:19:32 to grow and expand was there. Period.
01:19:34 --> 01:19:38 If you were part of a group that was trying to stop other people from then I
01:19:38 --> 01:19:42 was going to challenge that either through legislation or activism.
01:19:42 --> 01:19:43 But I was going to challenge it.
01:19:43 --> 01:19:45 And I had some friends to back me up.
01:19:46 --> 01:19:51 But if you were about uplifting people, then I was probably your biggest ally. Right.
01:19:53 --> 01:19:57 And that's that's all we're all supposed to do in these elected positions is
01:19:57 --> 01:20:02 to uplift, to do no harm, to raise the nation.
01:20:02 --> 01:20:07 If you really want to make America great again, then you've got to accept that
01:20:07 --> 01:20:10 Americans are not monolithic.
01:20:10 --> 01:20:13 The beauty of this nation is our diversity.
01:20:14 --> 01:20:15 Period. End of discussion.
01:20:16 --> 01:20:22 Religious diversity, ethnic diversity, biological diversity, the whole gamut.
01:20:23 --> 01:20:27 We are the most diverse nation on the planet.
01:20:28 --> 01:20:32 There's a reason for that. If you want to invoke God as a Christian,
01:20:33 --> 01:20:34 there's a reason for that.
01:20:34 --> 01:20:37 We are supposed to be the example for the world.
01:20:39 --> 01:20:46 These exams, whether it's a pop quiz or whether it's a midterm or the final,
01:20:46 --> 01:20:54 we keep getting low grades and we got to stop that because the more that we stay divided,
01:20:55 --> 01:20:59 the less we become the example or we stay the example.
01:21:00 --> 01:21:06 So, you know, so I just, I really want us to get in.
01:21:06 --> 01:21:12 And I really want us in the black community to deal with issues like that in-house
01:21:12 --> 01:21:17 and just come to understand each other as individuals,
01:21:17 --> 01:21:23 as we strive to do what's best for the uplift of our people.
01:21:24 --> 01:21:26 Because I know some people are saying, well, you know, that's white folks,
01:21:26 --> 01:21:27 that's their problem. No, no.
01:21:28 --> 01:21:34 Once discrimination is allowed for anybody that opens the door,
01:21:35 --> 01:21:40 the story of the Pandora's box was told for a reason.
01:21:41 --> 01:21:47 The parable is if you allow any evil to get out, it opens the door for all evil to get out.
01:21:48 --> 01:21:52 So our objective is to shut that box, period.
01:21:53 --> 01:21:57 We should never be in a position, especially black folks, where we think it's
01:21:57 --> 01:22:01 all right to discriminate against anybody based on our history,
01:22:02 --> 01:22:04 our trauma, our experience.
01:22:04 --> 01:22:07 We should be about giving everybody an opportunity.
01:22:08 --> 01:22:12 I think it kind of showed in the election. I think we wanted to give a woman
01:22:12 --> 01:22:17 who was part black, part Asian, hair being roots.
01:22:17 --> 01:22:20 We wanted to give her an opportunity to be president of the United States.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:24 We embraced her in our culture. Most of us, right?
01:22:26 --> 01:22:32 Wanted to see what that looked like, because we wanted to give our children
01:22:32 --> 01:22:35 another example of how far they could go.
01:22:36 --> 01:22:41 Somebody like Sarah McBride is going to run. Somebody like Timmy Baldwin is
01:22:41 --> 01:22:43 going to run for president one day.
01:22:43 --> 01:22:46 Are we going to be accepting of that?
01:22:47 --> 01:22:50 Or are we going to fail that exam too?
01:22:52 --> 01:22:54 America is not about homogeny.
01:22:56 --> 01:23:00 America is a concept that no matter who you are, where you come from,
01:23:01 --> 01:23:05 whatever you want to achieve, you have the opportunity to do that.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:10 And you have the opportunity to live and live abundantly. That's the mission.
01:23:11 --> 01:23:16 If we want to stop somebody because they're different, We're failing the mission.
01:23:17 --> 01:23:20 We want to inconvenience somebody because they're different.
01:23:21 --> 01:23:23 We're failing the mission.
01:23:25 --> 01:23:30 So I just wanted to throw that out there. And if people want to comment and
01:23:30 --> 01:23:34 all that stuff, you've always been welcome to do that.
01:23:34 --> 01:23:38 People want to come on the podcast and challenge that. You're welcome to do
01:23:38 --> 01:23:45 that. But I just believe that that's where we need to be because the way we
01:23:45 --> 01:23:48 are going, we're not going to progress.
01:23:48 --> 01:23:53 And whatever progress we make is going to be so incremental, we won't feel it.
01:23:55 --> 01:24:02 Got to change. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over again. We've got to evolve.
01:24:03 --> 01:24:11 When you're the most diverse nation in the world, that is what is expected of us to evolve.
01:24:12 --> 01:24:15 So I just felt I needed to say that, y'all.
01:24:17 --> 01:24:21 I'm still debating on whether I'm going to do an episode for Thanksgiving tonight.
01:24:22 --> 01:24:27 I'm not going to do a news thing. If I do do one, it's just going to be,
01:24:27 --> 01:24:32 you know, just, you know, might be a throwback to the old days,
01:24:32 --> 01:24:34 you know, just me talking like now.
01:24:35 --> 01:24:41 Or it might, you know, put together a couple of interviews I liked and let y'all listen to it.
01:24:41 --> 01:24:44 I don't know. We'll see. But I know it's not going to be any guests.
01:24:45 --> 01:24:49 It's not going to be any news or anything like that. It's just going to be me if we do it.
01:24:50 --> 01:24:55 And I guess you won't know until next week.
01:24:56 --> 01:25:03 But whatever happens, I do want to wish everybody Happy Thanksgiving.
01:25:04 --> 01:25:08 I hope that you get your chance to enjoy your family, enjoy some football,
01:25:08 --> 01:25:16 enjoy the cold weather, whatever gets you in a spirit of joy during the beginning
01:25:16 --> 01:25:19 of what we call our festive holiday season,
01:25:19 --> 01:25:23 that it's safe travels for everybody that's going somewhere.
01:25:24 --> 01:25:28 And, you know, if we're going to be thankful about something,
01:25:29 --> 01:25:37 be thankful that we live in a country where the concept is that we can be who
01:25:37 --> 01:25:40 we want to be and be the best at it.
01:25:40 --> 01:25:43 Thank you for listening. Until next time.
01:25:46 --> 01:26:31 Music.
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