Welcome to Newz and Trendz with Dave and Len. Hosts Dave Coker and Leonard Young interview Delaware basketball legends Robin Johnson and Marvin Bell about their careers and upcoming induction into the Afro‑American Hall of Fame.
The episode also covers contemporary topics including Candace Owens’ comments about President Trump, allegations of racism on The Price Is Right, skepticism around the Artemis II moon flight footage, and a debate on the benefits and risks of AI. Guests share personal memories from Price’s Park, their paths after high school, and reflections on community and recognition.
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00:01:23 --> 00:01:28 101.5 The Fever What's going on, Mr. Leonard Young? What's happening?
00:01:28 --> 00:01:33 Hey, Dave, everything is good This is Leonard Young, CEO of National Black Guide.
00:01:34 --> 00:01:38 DelawareBlack.com Black media expert, all-around good guy How goes it, Dave?
00:01:39 --> 00:01:45 Man, I can't call it I guess the spring is finally here, I guess So, yeah, definitely.
00:01:46 --> 00:01:50 Yeah, definitely. It looked like it's hitting in a big way this weekend.
00:01:50 --> 00:01:53 And remember a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about the pollen,
00:01:53 --> 00:01:55 no pollen. Now, all of a sudden, the pollen's out there now.
00:01:55 --> 00:01:58 Oh, yeah. Well, you know, it's funny. I noticed it on my car today.
00:01:58 --> 00:02:01 But the other thing I noticed, too, and I don't know if you noticed it as well.
00:02:02 --> 00:02:05 There are a lot of people who seem like they were not dressed for the weather today.
00:02:05 --> 00:02:12 And I only say, I was riding around 3 p.m. I looked at my dash temperature, it said 87 degrees.
00:02:13 --> 00:02:17 There was a guy walking with a sweatshirt. He got a hoodie, you know,
00:02:17 --> 00:02:19 hood over his head. I'm just like, oh, my goodness.
00:02:20 --> 00:02:24 Then I stopped somewhere else. There was someone jogging here,
00:02:25 --> 00:02:30 you know, like long pants, not a hoodie, but a sweatshirt. And I'm like, man, okay. Yeah.
00:02:30 --> 00:02:35 So, well, I wish I could say that I saw some people not dress for the weather.
00:02:36 --> 00:02:38 Unfortunately, I saw some people dress for the weather. Oh, yeah.
00:02:40 --> 00:02:43 What all you saw? You saw the shorts, t-shirts? Yeah, yeah.
00:02:44 --> 00:02:48 You know, people are just ready. You know, when the weather gets warm,
00:02:48 --> 00:02:52 they ready to break out their warm weather clothes. I'm going to put it that way, you know.
00:02:52 --> 00:02:56 So, you know, where I work, I see it all. So, you know, so.
00:02:57 --> 00:03:02 But what are you going to say? Are you going to say something else? No, I mean, just so I...
00:03:03 --> 00:03:08 Well, I was going to say outside the city, but you outside the city, too. But I don't know.
00:03:08 --> 00:03:12 Just one of them weird days out here. Yeah. OK. All right.
00:03:13 --> 00:03:19 Yeah. So you posted some things about your kids, man. Look like they both doing good.
00:03:19 --> 00:03:21 Oh, yeah. Well, you know, it's funny.
00:03:22 --> 00:03:25 Both of those I probably had about a week ago.
00:03:25 --> 00:03:28 And you know how you just, you know, you just don't feel like posting or nothing
00:03:28 --> 00:03:33 on social media. But today I was like, let me hurry up and post them before,
00:03:33 --> 00:03:38 you know, they're not even relevant anymore. So I just went ahead and kind of threw them up there.
00:03:38 --> 00:03:41 Yeah. OK, well, that's good. That's good.
00:03:42 --> 00:03:46 Well, it's always good to be proud of the kids, man. So, you know, they're getting good.
00:03:46 --> 00:03:49 They're growing up quick on you, man. Yeah, they're growing up quick on you.
00:03:49 --> 00:03:51 And you know what I mean? It was so surprising.
00:03:51 --> 00:03:53 In high school, I was a terrible student.
00:03:54 --> 00:03:59 Like, I was a terrible student. So, you know, you know, it's almost like a full
00:03:59 --> 00:04:02 circle moment when you kind of see your kids like excel in school,
00:04:03 --> 00:04:07 you know, so I'm I'm definitely proud of them.
00:04:08 --> 00:04:12 What's the old what's the old action? You always want your kids to do better than you.
00:04:12 --> 00:04:16 Oh, yeah, definitely. So, I mean, I will say I feel like they got their athletic
00:04:16 --> 00:04:21 abilities from me and they you know, they they probably got the education from the other.
00:04:21 --> 00:04:26 Oh, OK. You mean their mother? Is that what you mean? Okay. All right. There you go. Okay.
00:04:28 --> 00:04:34 All right. So, well, speaking of athletic, I mean, we might well go ahead and
00:04:34 --> 00:04:39 get into the show because we got two of the best that ever did it here in Delaware on the show.
00:04:39 --> 00:04:44 And they happen to be part of my old alma mater, P.S. DuPont.
00:04:44 --> 00:04:49 Dynamiter. So, you know, why don't you tell them, why don't you tell everybody who we got on?
00:04:49 --> 00:04:53 Yep. So Dave, the first guest we have is Robin Johnson.
00:04:53 --> 00:04:57 Robin discovered her passion for basketball in elementary school and quickly
00:04:57 --> 00:05:02 developed into a standout player going on to star at P.S. DuPont High School.
00:05:03 --> 00:05:08 At the Guard, she became one of Delaware's top early pioneers in girls basketball,
00:05:08 --> 00:05:14 leading the state in scoring, earning multiple MVP honors during her high school career.
00:05:15 --> 00:05:19 At a time when girls' basketball statistics were just beginning to be recorded,
00:05:20 --> 00:05:26 Johnson made history by finishing her career with 746 total points.
00:05:27 --> 00:05:30 At that point, it was the highest recorded total in Delaware.
00:05:31 --> 00:05:36 She also earned All-State recognition and was selected to multiple All-Star teams.
00:05:36 --> 00:05:41 Her dedication to the game carried beyond high school, highlighted by her participation
00:05:41 --> 00:05:49 in the 1996 WNBA New York Liberty tryouts, competing for a roster spot of alone top talent.
00:05:49 --> 00:05:56 She gained valuable experience at the professional level and remains proud of her journey,
00:05:57 --> 00:06:05 including receiving WNBA gear that she still holds on today as a symbol of that moment.
00:06:05 --> 00:06:09 And then second, we have Marvin Bell.
00:06:09 --> 00:06:16 Marvin began his basketball journey at the Brown Boys and Girls Club and Price's
00:06:16 --> 00:06:22 Run Park in the 1960s, developing into a standout athlete at P.S.
00:06:22 --> 00:06:28 DuPont High School. There he earned first team all conference in the 1970 and 71.
00:06:29 --> 00:06:36 He led the conference in scoring with 22.6 points per game and was named first
00:06:36 --> 00:06:40 team all state and defensive player of the year in 1971.
00:06:40 --> 00:06:47 He also received all Middle Atlantic States honors and was recognized as the
00:06:47 --> 00:06:54 Wilmington Old Timers Athletic Association and Newcastle County Athlete of the Year.
00:06:55 --> 00:06:58 In addition to basketball, Bell was a member of P.S.
00:06:58 --> 00:07:03 DuPont's 1971 cross-country state championship team.
00:07:03 --> 00:07:09 He also went on to play at Delaware State University before transferring to
00:07:09 --> 00:07:11 Baltimore City Community College,
00:07:11 --> 00:07:20 where he became Region 19 JUCO MVP and earned first-team All-Maryland JUCO honors.
00:07:20 --> 00:07:25 Bell later played at the Wilmington College, leading the team in scoring during
00:07:25 --> 00:07:34 his two seasons, a two-time All-Armed Forces first-team selection.
00:07:35 --> 00:07:41 He served 22 years in the military before transitioning into a 16-year career
00:07:41 --> 00:07:47 as a sheriff deputy and law enforcement instructor in El Paso, Texas. this.
00:07:47 --> 00:07:52 So without further ado, Robin, Marvin, I'd like to welcome you all to the show.
00:07:53 --> 00:07:56 Thanks for having me. Welcome. Well, man, I'm sitting there listening to both
00:07:56 --> 00:07:58 these files. I'm like, wow, okay.
00:07:59 --> 00:08:02 Nice to be here. Yeah, yeah. That's great. That's great.
00:08:03 --> 00:08:06 Well, Leonard, I'll let you start with this. Sure. So, you know,
00:08:06 --> 00:08:11 of course, reading all those honors was starting to get me a little tongue twisted.
00:08:12 --> 00:08:16 But, you know, Robin, I'll kind of start with you. So I know it says that you
00:08:16 --> 00:08:19 kind of developed your passion for basketball in elementary school.
00:08:20 --> 00:08:24 Can you kind of, you know, tell us how that passion started?
00:08:25 --> 00:08:29 Well, that passion started like when I was in the third grade.
00:08:30 --> 00:08:34 And at that time, we were just playing dodgeball in the gym.
00:08:34 --> 00:08:39 But for some reason, I would always take the dodgeball and throw up towards
00:08:39 --> 00:08:44 the hoop, you know, and bouncing and dribbling.
00:08:44 --> 00:08:47 And they was telling me that I was playing the wrong sport.
00:08:47 --> 00:08:53 So I asked them, which sport did I need to be playing to shoot the hoop?
00:08:53 --> 00:08:54 And then that's when they said basketball.
00:08:55 --> 00:09:02 So I started, you know, I started like putting my focus on putting the ball in the hoop.
00:09:03 --> 00:09:06 Gotcha. And I guess like what type of support did you have?
00:09:06 --> 00:09:10 So, I mean, I know, you know, I feel like there's a difference between kids
00:09:10 --> 00:09:14 who will kind of, you know, play basketball in gym and, you know,
00:09:14 --> 00:09:19 kind of in the neighborhood versus, you know, those who kind of take it to the
00:09:19 --> 00:09:21 next level like yourself.
00:09:21 --> 00:09:26 So what like what do you think that made you different than the people who would
00:09:26 --> 00:09:27 just kind of shoot around?
00:09:28 --> 00:09:32 Well, once I started, like I said, wanting to throw the ball in the hoop down
00:09:32 --> 00:09:38 at George Gray, living in 26th Street Projects, 2-6, right?
00:09:39 --> 00:09:45 Our section of the project was the only part of the project that had a single
00:09:45 --> 00:09:50 double realm basketball court there. So I would come out the front door and
00:09:50 --> 00:09:53 within 25 feet of me was the basketball course.
00:09:53 --> 00:09:56 So I started practicing there.
00:09:56 --> 00:10:00 I started shooting up there every day. Every day I would start shooting up.
00:10:00 --> 00:10:06 And, you know, just having coaches and people mentor me and,
00:10:06 --> 00:10:13 you know, show me, you know, some of the best ways to shoot the basketball and all that kind of stuff.
00:10:13 --> 00:10:20 And I got good enough to go down the street to the park another hundred feet down the street and,
00:10:21 --> 00:10:24 play with the guys okay and and
00:10:24 --> 00:10:27 then i guess how how did you fare when
00:10:27 --> 00:10:30 you were playing with the guys like i'm sure you're you're able
00:10:30 --> 00:10:34 to test out your skills was there a point where you were kind of on the same
00:10:34 --> 00:10:39 level of what they were doing it was challenging at first you know i got bumped
00:10:39 --> 00:10:46 around a lot you know i got into a lot of little scuffles because i didn't understand
00:10:46 --> 00:10:49 you know the roughness of basketball,
00:10:49 --> 00:10:51 how it was a contact sports.
00:10:51 --> 00:10:53 And I thought that I was being picked on.
00:10:53 --> 00:11:00 And, you know, so I started, you know, going to my coaches and other people
00:11:00 --> 00:11:04 and asked them for them to teach me some skills.
00:11:05 --> 00:11:11 As a matter of fact, there's a book that was written by a young man called Dwayne
00:11:11 --> 00:11:12 Brown. He lives in Atlanta.
00:11:13 --> 00:11:16 The book's called, the name is common but
00:11:16 --> 00:11:20 the results is different and he mentioned he
00:11:20 --> 00:11:24 mentions me on page 17 about playing
00:11:24 --> 00:11:31 basketball and how if girls could try out for varsity basketball team he believed
00:11:31 --> 00:11:37 that I would have made the team and would have gotten reasonable amount of playing
00:11:37 --> 00:11:40 time he He watched me get that good, and he was younger than I was.
00:11:42 --> 00:11:46 Gotcha. Okay. And then, so, I mean, of course, for the high school career,
00:11:46 --> 00:11:49 you know, said you finished with 746 points.
00:11:49 --> 00:11:53 That was the highest point total in the state at the time.
00:11:54 --> 00:11:57 What was your senior year like playing at P.S. DuPont?
00:11:58 --> 00:12:02 My senior year was fun. You know, I had a lot of fun, you know,
00:12:02 --> 00:12:06 because I averaged 24, 26 points a game.
00:12:07 --> 00:12:12 And for the most part, that meant I scored probably about 40,
00:12:12 --> 00:12:15 50, 60. I think my highest game was 80-something.
00:12:16 --> 00:12:19 Oh, what? 80 points in a game? In one game.
00:12:19 --> 00:12:26 Yeah, in one game, yes. You know, and so I, you know, I just enjoyed it.
00:12:26 --> 00:12:29 I had fun with basketball. I loved basketball.
00:12:29 --> 00:12:39 It was my first love affair. You know what I mean? And so that was the thing.
00:12:42 --> 00:12:45 Yeah, that was the thing that took me all the way. I'm sorry,
00:12:46 --> 00:12:47 guys. No, no, you're fine.
00:12:48 --> 00:12:54 Yeah, go ahead. All right. Yeah, so, yeah, so that was the thing that kind of,
00:12:54 --> 00:12:57 you know, gave me, you know, playing with the boys.
00:12:57 --> 00:13:02 I always wanted to play Washington basketball on the boys' team in P.S.,
00:13:02 --> 00:13:04 but they would never allow me to.
00:13:04 --> 00:13:09 So I had to play with, you know, the girls, and I just tried to have fun with
00:13:09 --> 00:13:12 it, you know. I just try to have fun with it. Gotcha.
00:13:13 --> 00:13:19 And so after high school, I know via the bio, I kind of spoke about the WNBA.
00:13:20 --> 00:13:25 Can you kind of explain how you got to that point and what that experience was like?
00:13:26 --> 00:13:30 Yes. I had, um, from high school,
00:13:30 --> 00:13:33 you know, I wasn't not too good of a
00:13:33 --> 00:13:36 kid I was I was hungry I was bad I remember
00:13:36 --> 00:13:40 having the scouts from Maculata
00:13:40 --> 00:13:43 and UCLA in my mom's front room in
00:13:43 --> 00:13:51 the project but I was not I lost a passion for basketball because I couldn't
00:13:51 --> 00:13:57 play with the guys and don't that's how you know playing with girls was like
00:13:57 --> 00:14:02 it was too easy for me You know, I got tired and then we,
00:14:02 --> 00:14:06 you know, it was like I was putting in all the work and you know what I mean?
00:14:06 --> 00:14:11 So I said, you know, I want to play with the boys. I want to go to the NBA.
00:14:11 --> 00:14:17 I watch people like Tan Stansbury and AJ English, you know, you know,
00:14:17 --> 00:14:25 and just got to watch me play, you know, and so, you know, excuse me for that, you know.
00:14:26 --> 00:14:33 I had lost the passion. And in 1996, when the WNBA got started,
00:14:33 --> 00:14:37 I was 36 years old at that time, living in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
00:14:37 --> 00:14:39 I just wanted experience.
00:14:40 --> 00:14:44 So I went out. I seek out. I had some people.
00:14:44 --> 00:14:48 You know, I trained a little bit, practiced a little bit. But at 36.
00:14:49 --> 00:14:51 That's like retirement. But I just wanted the experience.
00:14:52 --> 00:14:57 So I had some people. You know, New York was the only team that actually charged
00:14:57 --> 00:15:01 200-something dollars for tryouts. All the other teams was free.
00:15:01 --> 00:15:07 And that was because probably, you know, New York was explosive with their advertising.
00:15:07 --> 00:15:12 Radio, TV, you know what I mean? So they needed to get some of that money back. I understood.
00:15:12 --> 00:15:18 So I went and tried out and got there. And it was like 200 or 300 of us from
00:15:18 --> 00:15:24 all over the world tried out. and come to find out all that they needed at that
00:15:24 --> 00:15:26 time was a backup center for Rebecca Lobo.
00:15:27 --> 00:15:31 So, you know, it was, you know, a lot of us was disappointed.
00:15:31 --> 00:15:34 I mean, Cheryl Swoots was there.
00:15:34 --> 00:15:40 Tina, what's her name? Tina Thompson. Tina Thompson. Yeah, she was there.
00:15:40 --> 00:15:44 Yeah, it was a couple other females there that I met, you know,
00:15:44 --> 00:15:47 along the way, you know, and I thank God for the experience and,
00:15:47 --> 00:15:50 you know, I used to always be,
00:15:50 --> 00:15:54 very very very disappointed because basketball was
00:15:54 --> 00:15:57 my passion it was the love of my life and for
00:15:57 --> 00:16:01 me not to be able to play professionally I kind
00:16:01 --> 00:16:08 of gave up on it and in in in terms I kind of gave up on me because maybe God
00:16:08 --> 00:16:12 said Robin I'm gonna give you a good skill but you're going to be before your
00:16:12 --> 00:16:20 time but I want you to take this very skill and maybe coach and I wouldn't even do that because.
00:16:21 --> 00:16:28 You know, I wanted to play professionally. So I'm so grateful that,
00:16:28 --> 00:16:33 you know, Delaware seemed fit to nominate me for,
00:16:33 --> 00:16:37 you know, in the Delaware Hall of Fame because, you know,
00:16:37 --> 00:16:42 to not go to college and to not play professionally, you know,
00:16:42 --> 00:16:46 but to make it to the Hall of Fame is amazing.
00:16:46 --> 00:16:49 Right. It's amazing. I definitely agree.
00:16:52 --> 00:16:55 Tell me this So how did you feel When
00:16:55 --> 00:16:58 you found out you were nominated Or you know like how did that
00:16:58 --> 00:17:02 come about Did someone call you did they email you Yeah I
00:17:02 --> 00:17:07 was overwhelmed Mark Seed was called I was overwhelmed you know Because again
00:17:07 --> 00:17:14 I was Disappointed because I played so Hard all my life with guys Down at Price's
00:17:14 --> 00:17:18 Park And I thought That they would recognize me,
00:17:19 --> 00:17:22 by giving me a basketball court like they did some other people.
00:17:23 --> 00:17:25 But unfortunately, that didn't happen either.
00:17:26 --> 00:17:29 So, you know, I've had a lot of disappointments with basketball.
00:17:29 --> 00:17:33 You know, I even played a half a year for the Storming Classic.
00:17:34 --> 00:17:38 But, you know, unfortunately, I didn't get a jacket. You know what I mean?
00:17:38 --> 00:17:43 Maybe, you know, people didn't remember that I played or whatever the case may have been.
00:17:43 --> 00:17:47 You know what I mean? So I've had some disappointments where it came to basketball.
00:17:48 --> 00:17:52 You know what I mean? but I was just talking to a friend of mine's who won the
00:17:52 --> 00:17:57 girls basketball state champ, Ty, Ty, Ty Taylor.
00:17:57 --> 00:18:03 And we were talking about if he can get JV, a JV squad for the girls,
00:18:03 --> 00:18:06 he was going to bring me on. And he asked me if I would be interested in.
00:18:07 --> 00:18:12 Coaching, doing some coaching, assisting, coaching, or just even sitting on
00:18:12 --> 00:18:15 the bench and giving some good advice, you know? And I would love that.
00:18:15 --> 00:18:16 You know what I'm saying?
00:18:16 --> 00:18:21 I really would. I wish that I could have took basketball a little further for me. Right.
00:18:22 --> 00:18:28 You know, that was the plan. And Lord knows, the guys in Delaware will say, she played.
00:18:29 --> 00:18:31 Hey, we had to play.
00:18:31 --> 00:18:36 She would do some amazing stuff on us, you know? Right.
00:18:37 --> 00:18:40 If you be for your time, you be for your time. You know what I mean?
00:18:40 --> 00:18:42 Like I said, I was before my time.
00:18:43 --> 00:18:45 Gotcha. And, you know, I definitely understand that. And, you know,
00:18:45 --> 00:18:49 it's funny because that was going to be my next question when you talked about the coaching.
00:18:49 --> 00:18:53 Because, you know, with all your experience, I'm sure you probably have a very
00:18:53 --> 00:18:55 particular eye for basketball.
00:18:56 --> 00:19:00 That, you know, there's a lot of wisdom that you'd be able to get to these young
00:19:00 --> 00:19:03 girls who are, you know, ninth, tenth grade.
00:19:04 --> 00:19:08 Because I mean, technically you are a Delaware legend, you know?
00:19:09 --> 00:19:13 So, and, and then kind of going back to the second part and,
00:19:13 --> 00:19:17 you know, I, I understand what you're saying when you say like ahead of your time and,
00:19:18 --> 00:19:21 you know, unfortunately for some of us, that's just the way the cookie crumbles,
00:19:21 --> 00:19:29 but I'm sure that you opened up the door, you know, you provided motivation to a lot of girls,
00:19:29 --> 00:19:35 especially black girls that, you know, probably saw you play that, you know, you know,
00:19:35 --> 00:19:39 almost like what they say, like Malcolm walks so we can run,
00:19:39 --> 00:19:43 you know, it's almost like Robin, you know, shot so, you know, we could score.
00:19:43 --> 00:19:46 So, you know, I'm sure.
00:19:46 --> 00:19:49 And, you know, I think it's hard in Delaware and just period,
00:19:49 --> 00:19:54 because a lot of the people that probably looked up to you, you probably never even knew about them.
00:19:54 --> 00:19:58 But I'm sure when you left, they were still mentioning your name the next year,
00:19:58 --> 00:20:00 the next year, probably the next year.
00:20:01 --> 00:20:04 So, but I do want to congratulate you on your honors.
00:20:05 --> 00:20:11 Thank you. Being nominated, you know, from one athlete, I wasn't a basketball
00:20:11 --> 00:20:14 player, but I love sports.
00:20:14 --> 00:20:20 And, you know, I think for anybody who is a, you know, a championship player
00:20:20 --> 00:20:24 like yourself, you know, I think you can always recognize the dedication,
00:20:25 --> 00:20:27 the work, the effort, the consistency,
00:20:28 --> 00:20:32 you know, all that that it takes to, you know, be a standout player like yourself.
00:20:33 --> 00:20:39 Absolutely. I have been working in the summer with Devlin and Dan Parks,
00:20:40 --> 00:20:45 which they started two years ago, a little basketball camp down Price's Park.
00:20:45 --> 00:20:48 So I've been volunteering with them each year since they started.
00:20:48 --> 00:20:51 I'm looking to do some coaching because I still shoot around.
00:20:52 --> 00:20:56 At 66, still active, very active.
00:20:57 --> 00:21:01 I don't run whole court. I shoot around.
00:21:04 --> 00:21:08 I ain't going to do all that. No, no, no. We ain't doing all that, right, Robin?
00:21:09 --> 00:21:14 No, absolutely not, man. Yeah. All right. All right.
00:21:14 --> 00:21:20 Since you did Robin, I'm going to go in and do Marvin. Is that all right? Yeah.
00:21:20 --> 00:21:26 Okay. All right. So, but let me say this a bit, because I was fortunate enough,
00:21:26 --> 00:21:29 Leonard, to witness a lot of what Robin talked about.
00:21:30 --> 00:21:34 You know, because, you know, we were in the same class. You know, we came up together,
00:21:35 --> 00:21:42 Robin is the best basketball player I've ever seen, as far as a woman is concerned.
00:21:42 --> 00:21:45 And she was better than a lot of guys. I ain't gonna lie, she was.
00:21:46 --> 00:21:54 She's probably the reason that we know about Val Whiting or Monique Foote or
00:21:54 --> 00:21:57 Elena Deledon, you know,
00:21:57 --> 00:22:02 because she was those people before those people ever came around.
00:22:04 --> 00:22:12 And so I got a chance to witness Price's Park was the hotbed of basketball for us coming up.
00:22:12 --> 00:22:16 And, you know, I saw her in the park almost every day, you know,
00:22:16 --> 00:22:19 so and, you know, I got to see her in school.
00:22:19 --> 00:22:24 So, I mean, I know I know what she did. So I want to say kudos to you, Robin.
00:22:24 --> 00:22:30 And congratulations on being inducted into the Afro-American Hall of Fame. OK, thank you.
00:22:31 --> 00:22:35 All right. All right. Mr. Marvin. How you doing, sir? All right.
00:22:35 --> 00:22:38 How you doing? How you doing? Don't worry. We didn't forget about you.
00:22:38 --> 00:22:42 We had to give the props to Robin. Now we're going to give you your props, okay?
00:22:43 --> 00:22:47 Congratulations, sir. Okay. Great, great. So,
00:22:48 --> 00:22:51 Now, talking about two different eras of dynamite is here.
00:22:51 --> 00:22:57 You know, you set the standard early, you know, and, you know,
00:22:57 --> 00:23:01 I actually saw you play a few times, you know, as a kid,
00:23:02 --> 00:23:06 you know, and I remember them teams you played on and they were great teams.
00:23:07 --> 00:23:11 They really were. PS had a nice little run back there in the early 70s.
00:23:11 --> 00:23:12 They really did, you know.
00:23:14 --> 00:23:18 So, first of all, congratulations on your induction.
00:23:18 --> 00:23:21 Thank you, thank you. And to the Afro-American Hall of Fame.
00:23:21 --> 00:23:27 And why don't you tell us about your humble start in basketball and so forth.
00:23:27 --> 00:23:29 Tell us how it began for you.
00:23:30 --> 00:23:35 Well, not too much different from Robin. Well, it wasn't about basketball.
00:23:35 --> 00:23:38 It's about where I came from. Okay.
00:23:38 --> 00:23:42 I was raised in East Lake Projects, what they call the bucket now.
00:23:43 --> 00:23:50 Yeah. And back in those days, if you was from the bucket, riverside, surrounding area,
00:23:51 --> 00:23:57 whatsoever, sports was the hotbed, along with Franklin's Run Park and Brown's
00:23:57 --> 00:23:59 Boys Club. That's all we had in the swimming pool.
00:24:00 --> 00:24:04 Every kid, everyone picked up some type of ball.
00:24:05 --> 00:24:10 It wasn't baseball, football, or ram track, or played anything.
00:24:10 --> 00:24:16 That's what we had. And then we had a bunch of mentors that surrounded that park.
00:24:17 --> 00:24:19 Some of the guys that's already inducted in the Hall of Fame,
00:24:19 --> 00:24:22 like I don't know, remember Gator Lewis? Yes.
00:24:23 --> 00:24:28 Major Harrison? Yes. Maurice Pritchard? Yes. Rock Hill?
00:24:28 --> 00:24:34 Yes. All those guys, you know, lived around the park. So we had great mentors back then.
00:24:35 --> 00:24:41 And man, Dave, I had to be the skinniest kid that ever played high school basketball.
00:24:42 --> 00:24:46 You weren't skinny, but you know, it's so funny. It's funny because y'all had
00:24:46 --> 00:24:49 a couple skinny guys on that team. Yeah, me and Porter Hill. I was late.
00:24:50 --> 00:24:54 They say I was 6'4", 153, but I think I was late less.
00:24:55 --> 00:25:01 But I learned the game and competitiveness and, you know, the spirit of not
00:25:01 --> 00:25:05 to lose everything sitting around Prices Brum Park, all my mentors.
00:25:05 --> 00:25:11 I was 15 years old, man. I was playing with grown men getting knocked down like
00:25:11 --> 00:25:17 Reggie Lacefield, or John Savage, those guys from the Blue Bombers. Right, right.
00:25:18 --> 00:25:23 Art Magic, Bob Diller, and, you know, Bernard Geisers, you know,
00:25:23 --> 00:25:25 all the legends. You're naming all the legends.
00:25:25 --> 00:25:29 Yeah. They wasn't, you know, they wasn't only great athletes,
00:25:29 --> 00:25:33 but they took care of the community back then, you know.
00:25:33 --> 00:25:36 And so we couldn't go wrong, you know.
00:25:37 --> 00:25:41 They stayed in the boys' club all day long, in the park in the summer,
00:25:41 --> 00:25:43 all day long, that's where it was.
00:25:44 --> 00:25:49 And back then, if anybody thought they were any good, they thought they had
00:25:49 --> 00:25:52 any game, Price is Run Park was the place to be.
00:25:52 --> 00:25:57 Matter of fact, if you lost that day, you could forget about it.
00:25:57 --> 00:26:00 You'd come back tomorrow and try again. That's true. That's true.
00:26:01 --> 00:26:06 That's true. That's true. And it was rough back then. It was rough.
00:26:06 --> 00:26:09 I remember those tournaments they used to have down there, man.
00:26:10 --> 00:26:15 There you go. And them guys would come, people would come from all over to play in those tournaments.
00:26:16 --> 00:26:20 Leonard, you know, it was really crazy, man. That park would be packed.
00:26:20 --> 00:26:26 You know, it was our version of the Rucker. Yeah, you know, so, you know.
00:26:27 --> 00:26:34 But tell me this, Marvin. You also developed love for track and everything as well.
00:26:34 --> 00:26:38 You know, you played, you were part of the track team and, you know,
00:26:38 --> 00:26:40 you had honors in track and field.
00:26:40 --> 00:26:43 You had honors of basketball you know
00:26:43 --> 00:26:45 like you said back then was a different day and time
00:26:45 --> 00:26:48 you know we always had some type
00:26:48 --> 00:26:54 of ball we were always running we were always doing something back then it was
00:26:54 --> 00:26:59 just a part of our lives kids don't do that anymore kids don't have that mentality
00:26:59 --> 00:27:06 anymore and you play more than one you play more than one sport all the time and then Man,
00:27:06 --> 00:27:08 I say, it breaks my heart when I come up to Wilmington.
00:27:08 --> 00:27:10 I always drive by 26th Street.
00:27:10 --> 00:27:13 I say, man, look at this big, beautiful park and nobody's in it.
00:27:13 --> 00:27:15 Nobody's at the park anymore.
00:27:16 --> 00:27:19 Nobody's at the park. And that's any basketball court you go to.
00:27:19 --> 00:27:22 Kids just don't play like that anymore. No, they don't. No.
00:27:23 --> 00:27:28 But part of it also, too, because, and you guys can both comment on this.
00:27:28 --> 00:27:31 Do you think the AAU ruined basketball?
00:27:32 --> 00:27:38 Yes. Matter of fact, I was talking to a couple of guys back,
00:27:38 --> 00:27:44 but they'd won the state of Delaware with this redistricting and all these,
00:27:44 --> 00:27:47 what, Division I, II, III?
00:27:47 --> 00:27:55 Come on, man, it's like this. back in the day we had no shot of getting into Sanford, Tire Hill St.
00:27:56 --> 00:28:03 Elizabeth that was another question now they're using our kids to play basketball
00:28:03 --> 00:28:07 just because they could compete for a state championship something that those
00:28:07 --> 00:28:10 schools back in the day never would have had.
00:28:11 --> 00:28:17 And you ask me that was the part that they shut down PS because PS was on the
00:28:17 --> 00:28:22 verge of winning another championship winning another championship because that
00:28:22 --> 00:28:26 team they went to Concord they went to Concord and won that championship,
00:28:28 --> 00:28:33 all those kids went to Concord Brandywine they even bused kids from Riverside
00:28:33 --> 00:28:38 out to William Penn the Lumpkin guys and all that all those guys was Pierce products,
00:28:39 --> 00:28:45 and so it had something to do with and then they used their kids for the not
00:28:45 --> 00:28:49 so much education where they said I'll talk to someone and they said they got
00:28:49 --> 00:28:51 tutors for them and everything.
00:28:51 --> 00:28:55 But after they finished playing basketball, nobody got their back to get them into college.
00:28:57 --> 00:29:02 Yeah, that's a shame. That is really a shame. And so that's what's going on
00:29:02 --> 00:29:04 now. Yeah. It's big for this now.
00:29:04 --> 00:29:07 But, okay, Leonard asked Robin this question.
00:29:08 --> 00:29:13 I'm going to ask you this question. So what were you doing, and how did it make
00:29:13 --> 00:29:15 you feel when you got the call?
00:29:16 --> 00:29:19 Well, man, it was around Christmas. A couple days before Christmas,
00:29:20 --> 00:29:26 I was up in Wilmington at my mother's house on 34th Street, and Mark Sills called me.
00:29:28 --> 00:29:33 I said, wow. And then Jay Bunkman, they call me Jay Bird? Yeah, I know Jay. Yeah.
00:29:34 --> 00:29:41 He called me, man. It was great. It was like a reward, and I was humble because
00:29:41 --> 00:29:45 I left Delaware in 1975 and never came back.
00:29:47 --> 00:29:53 And to be remembered like this, and there's so many great athletes,
00:29:53 --> 00:29:55 and some are in and some are not in.
00:29:55 --> 00:30:01 And some are still bickering because I'm in and some are not in but to be remembered
00:30:01 --> 00:30:04 and not to even live in the state for you know,
00:30:05 --> 00:30:11 for a while it's very humbling well it's you know sometimes it takes,
00:30:12 --> 00:30:18 it's not always where you are or it's or you know where you live in and those
00:30:18 --> 00:30:25 type of things it's who you touched and who you came in contact with and who
00:30:25 --> 00:30:28 you were able to make a connection with.
00:30:28 --> 00:30:33 And, you know, both of you guys have made the connections in Delaware that people,
00:30:33 --> 00:30:37 they may have been quiet, but they never forgot.
00:30:37 --> 00:30:43 I mean, you know, there's many people, you talk about who's the best woman basketball
00:30:43 --> 00:30:44 player ever played in Delaware.
00:30:45 --> 00:30:48 That's the whole team, I'm going to say Robin Johnson. Right.
00:30:48 --> 00:30:53 You know, who's one of the top men basketball players to ever play in Delaware?
00:30:53 --> 00:30:56 Your name is still going to be in the top i bet you your name comes in that
00:30:56 --> 00:31:02 top 20 you know you know from delaware you know now you know we got the superstars
00:31:02 --> 00:31:06 robin mentioned a couple of them earlier because they made it to the nba we
00:31:06 --> 00:31:08 got a couple guys in the nba right now.
00:31:09 --> 00:31:14 But when we talk about overall history in delaware we gotta look at you two
00:31:14 --> 00:31:19 we gotta look at you two you know you guys and that's why you guys are going
00:31:19 --> 00:31:23 into this hall of fame and really should be in the other Hall of Fame, too,
00:31:24 --> 00:31:26 the Delaware Hall of Fame, Sports Hall of Fame.
00:31:27 --> 00:31:31 So hopefully that happens for the two of you, too. Maybe this will be a stepping
00:31:31 --> 00:31:33 stone to get you in that one.
00:31:33 --> 00:31:37 You know, of course, there's nothing like being recognized by your peers.
00:31:38 --> 00:31:40 Exactly. You know, so.
00:31:40 --> 00:31:48 But now, have you guys been able to get your people on board to be there this
00:31:48 --> 00:31:50 Saturday as far as selling tickets and everything?
00:31:51 --> 00:31:53 Yeah, I'm pretty much straight, Dave.
00:31:54 --> 00:31:59 Yeah. Are you straight? I have a buddy. I had a buddy up there,
00:31:59 --> 00:32:01 you know, Jerome Saunders.
00:32:01 --> 00:32:04 Yeah, Jerome Saunders. I know Jerome has been putting it, man.
00:32:04 --> 00:32:10 Man, he did all, by me living in Norfolk, he did all the lay work for me.
00:32:11 --> 00:32:14 All the lay work. All the tickets selling.
00:32:15 --> 00:32:21 Took care of everything. And he's serious, Leonard. Jerome has been on point with this, man.
00:32:22 --> 00:32:29 I mean, is he on point every year? he's that kind of guy he's that kind of guy
00:32:29 --> 00:32:33 yeah he has to be he likes to be involved,
00:32:34 --> 00:32:40 yeah that's him yeah he's very much involved in a lot of things you know he's
00:32:40 --> 00:32:43 like very much involved in the whole Price is Park or,
00:32:44 --> 00:32:49 you know, old-timers club and all of that stuff. You know, that's Jerome.
00:32:49 --> 00:32:53 That's Jerome, you know. I've known Jerome just about all my life.
00:32:53 --> 00:32:57 I remember his father owned a store in Riverside. And I knew Jerome.
00:32:58 --> 00:33:03 Yeah, I lived in Riverside, and I used to go to his father's store all the time. You remember that?
00:33:04 --> 00:33:10 Yeah, I remember. I remember very well. I lived right around the corner from him. So, yeah.
00:33:11 --> 00:33:16 He drove me and Jerome to college down to Delaware State.
00:33:18 --> 00:33:23 And then we had to go, Mr. Major. Yeah, Mr. Major. That's right. Mr.
00:33:24 --> 00:33:29 Major got out the car. Dave, I've never seen so much money in my life. Wow.
00:33:30 --> 00:33:34 Wow. He had to pay for Jerome for the register, the money. Yeah.
00:33:35 --> 00:33:38 He paid in cash. He paid in cash.
00:33:39 --> 00:33:44 He was a businessman he was a great guy yeah he was he was he was he had that
00:33:44 --> 00:33:49 store for a long time man I remember when he got the store because that store
00:33:49 --> 00:33:52 only had two owners when I lived over there so you know so,
00:33:53 --> 00:33:57 yeah and Jerome used to look Jerome used to come in there and work he'd be mad
00:33:57 --> 00:33:59 because he didn't want to be there.
00:34:00 --> 00:34:05 Wow man I remember that I remember that yeah that's a long time yeah a long
00:34:05 --> 00:34:11 time ago yeah so Well, I want both of you to tell people how they can,
00:34:11 --> 00:34:14 you know, in case people are still trying to scramble to get tickets,
00:34:14 --> 00:34:15 how they can reach you guys.
00:34:16 --> 00:34:21 And make sure to mention what time the event is and everything if you,
00:34:21 --> 00:34:26 and give out, you know, your contact information. Let's go with you first, Robyn.
00:34:28 --> 00:34:31 Well, for tickets, they will have to, at this point, they will have to contact.
00:34:31 --> 00:34:32 Oh, yeah, they stopped. They stopped.
00:34:32 --> 00:34:37 Yeah, Mark Seal or either Mr. Mike Brown. Yeah, okay.
00:34:38 --> 00:34:44 Yeah, the event will be starting, I think, at 6 o'clock. The doors will open at 5.30.
00:34:45 --> 00:34:51 Okay, and they have dinner, and they have dinner, and then they start the presentation,
00:34:51 --> 00:34:54 I guess, right? Yes, yes, absolutely.
00:34:54 --> 00:35:00 Okay, all right. And in case anybody wants to contact you guys on your social
00:35:00 --> 00:35:03 media or whatever, do you guys have contact information?
00:35:04 --> 00:35:08 My contact information on Facebook is Robin Johnson.
00:35:09 --> 00:35:13 Okay. All right. And Marvin? Yes.
00:35:13 --> 00:35:20 You can contact me by email, MarvinBell64 at gmail.com.
00:35:20 --> 00:35:27 Okay. All right. All right. Well, like I said, once again, congratulations on both of your honors.
00:35:27 --> 00:35:30 That's awesome. So happy for the both of you.
00:35:30 --> 00:35:35 Thank you. As a fellow Dynamiter, you know, we proud. We proud. You know that.
00:35:35 --> 00:35:40 That's right. That's right. Hey, Dave. So a question for all the young people here.
00:35:40 --> 00:35:44 What is a dynamiter? Oh, Lord. OK.
00:35:47 --> 00:35:51 It's actually a stick of dynamite. It's a troll ship.
00:35:52 --> 00:35:57 And, you know, like the logo has it lit and it's about to blow up.
00:35:58 --> 00:36:01 You know what I mean? OK, so the dynamite was your mascot.
00:36:02 --> 00:36:05 It was our mascot. Yeah, that was our mascot. Absolutely.
00:36:05 --> 00:36:08 Yeah. It meant that we was explosive. Yeah.
00:36:10 --> 00:36:15 We did things in a big way, man. We did things in a big way back then. That's right.
00:36:16 --> 00:36:20 Hey, Robin, just let you know, Dave's not a dynamiter because he ain't graduated
00:36:20 --> 00:36:23 from P.S. Dupont High School, okay? Oh.
00:36:24 --> 00:36:29 I mean, I'm just saying. That's the same. Dave didn't graduate from P.S. That's the same.
00:36:29 --> 00:36:32 That's the same. Why are you trying to put me on the spot like that, man? Okay.
00:36:34 --> 00:36:38 Look, I'm getting ready to mute you. I'm getting ready to mute your button over there. Okay?
00:36:38 --> 00:36:41 All right. Dave, we graduated from A.I. DuPont. Come on now.
00:36:42 --> 00:36:45 We graduated from A.I. DuPont. First of all, you didn't graduate.
00:36:46 --> 00:36:47 Look, first of all, how old are you?
00:36:48 --> 00:36:50 I'm 49. Okay. All right. You're getting any talking.
00:36:52 --> 00:36:53 I'm a baby. Yeah, I know.
00:36:57 --> 00:37:00 Okay. Anyway, we're getting ready to go to our topic.
00:37:00 --> 00:37:04 So you guys said you wanted to hang out with us. So we got a couple of topics
00:37:04 --> 00:37:05 that we wanted to talk about.
00:37:06 --> 00:37:10 Let's see. And just get your opinion on it because, you know,
00:37:10 --> 00:37:16 what we do is we like to talk about a couple things that's going on in the world today.
00:37:16 --> 00:37:24 So I want to read this story and you guys can give me your thoughts on it. You know, so here we go.
00:37:24 --> 00:37:29 The story is talking about Candace Owens calls Trump and a mad king.
00:37:30 --> 00:37:36 And says that his administration is satanic. Now, I thought this was interesting
00:37:36 --> 00:37:38 because there's, of course, been a lot going on with him lately.
00:37:39 --> 00:37:42 And, you know, we talk about everything on this show, by the way.
00:37:42 --> 00:37:46 Candace Owen has called the President Donald Trump's removal from,
00:37:46 --> 00:37:54 a call for the removal from office after escalating political remarks and labeling him as a mad king.
00:37:54 --> 00:38:00 She has accused his leadership of deep instability and urges Congress to impeach him.
00:38:00 --> 00:38:07 She posted the remark on X, which was formerly Twitter, where she describes
00:38:07 --> 00:38:13 the administration as satanic operation and says satanic Zionists occupy the White House.
00:38:13 --> 00:38:17 She referred to Trump as a mad king and pushed for the removal through Congress.
00:38:17 --> 00:38:28 All of our lives we may depend upon other countries realizing that Trump is deeply unwell.
00:38:28 --> 00:38:37 And I surround and surrounded by religious fanatics who have convinced him that he is a messiah.
00:38:37 --> 00:38:40 We are in uncharted territory.
00:38:40 --> 00:38:44 Leaders worldwide need to act accordingly, she said.
00:38:44 --> 00:38:49 She argues that impeachment should be used instead of the 25th Amendment,
00:38:49 --> 00:38:55 a route that some critics have previously suggested. Owens said Congress should
00:38:55 --> 00:38:59 act directly and remove Trump amid concerns over his leadership.
00:38:59 --> 00:39:04 Her comments quickly drew attention from the political figures,
00:39:05 --> 00:39:09 including former Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:39:09 --> 00:39:13 Green called for people inside the administration to intervene,
00:39:14 --> 00:39:23 saying Trump's actions show signs of instability and required internal actions to.
00:39:24 --> 00:39:31 The backlash, sorry, the backlash followed Trump's recent social media posts
00:39:31 --> 00:39:35 addressing Iran and the Strait of Hormuz,
00:39:35 --> 00:39:39 which sparked online criticism.
00:39:40 --> 00:39:45 That post intensified political debate and renewed calls from critics to consider
00:39:45 --> 00:39:49 possible steps towards removing him from office.
00:39:49 --> 00:39:55 And of course, a couple of days ago, we saw the picture of him laying hands
00:39:55 --> 00:39:58 on somebody as though he looked like he was the Messiah.
00:40:00 --> 00:40:03 So what are you guys, what are you guys thoughts on all of this?
00:40:04 --> 00:40:08 Do you, I mean, of course, you know, do you feel he should be impeached?
00:40:08 --> 00:40:13 Do you feel that he's in line with how a president should be running this country?
00:40:14 --> 00:40:18 What are you guys thoughts on that? Let's go with you first, Rob.
00:40:19 --> 00:40:23 I think Robin's on mute. You may want to go with Marvin. Okay, go ahead, Marvin.
00:40:24 --> 00:40:33 Well, see, everybody's—Trump is a problem, but there's one person behind Trump
00:40:33 --> 00:40:34 that's creating all this.
00:40:35 --> 00:40:37 They never talk about it. It's a Stephen Miller.
00:40:38 --> 00:40:39 Is that the guy with the glasses?
00:40:40 --> 00:40:45 No, he's a little—the bald-haired guy, the short guy.
00:40:45 --> 00:40:48 Okay, I know you're talking about it. Okay, I know you're talking about it, yeah.
00:40:49 --> 00:40:52 He's the one that's setting the policy and the one that never says nothing.
00:40:52 --> 00:40:58 See, their goal is to have an all-white Christian nation. Hmm.
00:40:59 --> 00:41:03 You know, and that's what all this religious doctrine coming up and so forth.
00:41:04 --> 00:41:09 Like, you can remember last week when even the Secretary of Defense had said?
00:41:10 --> 00:41:16 Yeah. Yeah. He was trying to put religious parables into the missing airline
00:41:16 --> 00:41:19 policy when they were found. Remember that?
00:41:19 --> 00:41:22 Yes, yes, I saw that. Yes, I did. Yes. Yeah.
00:41:23 --> 00:41:27 And it's all based on that. Trump is not that smart.
00:41:30 --> 00:41:35 So it's the guy behind the scene and there's that Stephen Miller.
00:41:35 --> 00:41:36 He's the runner calling the shots.
00:41:38 --> 00:41:41 Okay, now that's a different take. I've never heard that take before.
00:41:42 --> 00:41:46 Because Leonard, we're always hearing stuff about, we're talking about things
00:41:46 --> 00:41:49 that he does. But that's the first time I've ever heard that angle. Okay.
00:41:50 --> 00:41:53 All right. And that kind of makes sense? Yeah.
00:41:54 --> 00:41:59 Now, Trump is bad, but he's not that intelligent enough to do some of the things that he does.
00:41:59 --> 00:42:03 Well, we know that he's being fed. We know that he's being fed.
00:42:04 --> 00:42:06 We know that he's being fed that he's got
00:42:06 --> 00:42:10 a lot going on with um with
00:42:10 --> 00:42:13 you know because even when he comes up to speak on you know
00:42:13 --> 00:42:19 does he stay in the nation and all of that stuff you know you can tell his speeches
00:42:19 --> 00:42:24 is all over the place he never seems to stay on one topic at one time and of
00:42:24 --> 00:42:28 course he's everything's great and everything's you know we're doing such a
00:42:28 --> 00:42:30 great job at this We're doing a great job at that.
00:42:30 --> 00:42:36 That type of thing, you know, Robin, are you there? Or you have any comments?
00:42:37 --> 00:42:41 She's still on mute. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. What's your thoughts, Alenic?
00:42:42 --> 00:42:48 Yeah. I mean, to be honest, I feel like this is nothing new from what we've seen at Trump.
00:42:48 --> 00:42:54 Like, if Trump does one thing, he's going to take attention away from the serious
00:42:54 --> 00:42:57 matters to put them on some foolishness. You know what I mean? Right.
00:42:58 --> 00:43:00 So it's kind of like, because, you know, Dave, when that happened,
00:43:00 --> 00:43:03 the last three, four days, that's all anyone talking about.
00:43:03 --> 00:43:09 You know, when I went on social media, I saw all his Messiah memes all over
00:43:09 --> 00:43:13 the place and people saying it right or wrong.
00:43:13 --> 00:43:18 And, you know, all this time, you know, in the background, we were negotiating a war.
00:43:19 --> 00:43:22 We got high gas prices, you know.
00:43:22 --> 00:43:27 So I I feel like he is a master distractor.
00:43:28 --> 00:43:30 Yeah, that's a nice way of putting it. Yeah.
00:43:33 --> 00:43:36 Well, I just think that, you know, he's, you know, and then,
00:43:36 --> 00:43:38 you know, he's starting stuff with the Pope.
00:43:38 --> 00:43:42 I mean, you know, calling the Pope weak. Yeah, weak. Who does that?
00:43:43 --> 00:43:48 You know. Yeah, they talk about the Pope is weak, weak on crime.
00:43:48 --> 00:43:53 Yeah. Well, you heard what the Pope said. He said, I ain't scared of him.
00:43:53 --> 00:43:54 He said, I ain't backing down from him.
00:43:55 --> 00:43:57 Oh, did he say that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the Pope said that. Yeah,
00:43:57 --> 00:44:01 the Pope said, you know, he can say whatever he wants. He said he doesn't intimidate
00:44:01 --> 00:44:07 me, you know, so that's all that matters.
00:44:07 --> 00:44:13 Now, Dave, I will say I am curious if there are any Catholics who were offended,
00:44:13 --> 00:44:19 any Catholic Trump supporters who were offended by what he said and now have
00:44:19 --> 00:44:20 a different look on Trump.
00:44:21 --> 00:44:25 It's pretty true. He probably, there's probably a few that probably is wondering
00:44:25 --> 00:44:29 what he's doing, you know, and that's important.
00:44:29 --> 00:44:32 You know, they, you know, because, you know, you can't, you know,
00:44:32 --> 00:44:37 he wants to play God so bad, you know, and we can't, we can't.
00:44:38 --> 00:44:42 You know, well, I just don't I just don't understand why he's able to do the
00:44:42 --> 00:44:44 stuff that he does. But that's a whole nother story.
00:44:44 --> 00:44:48 So guess what? The vice president, he's a he's a Catholic.
00:44:49 --> 00:44:57 Yeah. Yeah. That is true. Yeah. No. Hey, Robin, did you hear any of that? Did you have any?
00:44:59 --> 00:45:05 Listen, I don't think that he should be in office, period. I don't even know how he got that.
00:45:05 --> 00:45:11 No, listen, I believe he is a tycoon when it comes to business,
00:45:11 --> 00:45:16 but politics, he, he is, he's the worst.
00:45:16 --> 00:45:21 He's the worst. And, you know, I just don't think he need to be in office.
00:45:21 --> 00:45:26 I don't, you know, all that he's doing is, it's not for people.
00:45:26 --> 00:45:33 It's not, it's not. It's like he wants to keep certain races of people in certain
00:45:33 --> 00:45:36 positions and underneath of,
00:45:37 --> 00:45:45 If I can be quoted saying old white money, because that's how I believe he stays
00:45:45 --> 00:45:47 in office with all the crap.
00:45:47 --> 00:45:51 It's old money comes out the war work. If they don't want a woman president,
00:45:52 --> 00:45:55 that old money's coming out. They ain't going to bring Hillary in.
00:45:56 --> 00:45:59 Damn, that Hillary's white. They're not going to let her in.
00:45:59 --> 00:46:03 That other woman, the one just ran against Trump. Definitely not.
00:46:03 --> 00:46:08 Obama got in because Obama got old money too. He know old money too.
00:46:09 --> 00:46:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's how I believe he got in.
00:46:13 --> 00:46:18 So, you know, Trump, man, listen, he's just not, he's not making this world
00:46:18 --> 00:46:21 or this America a better place. He's really not. Definitely not.
00:46:22 --> 00:46:27 Or he's not for us. Not for us. He's making it for himself. Absolutely not for us.
00:46:27 --> 00:46:33 He's made over $300 million in the year he's been in office.
00:46:33 --> 00:46:36 You know wow well on the day that
00:46:36 --> 00:46:39 that we know about that we know about it's probably
00:46:39 --> 00:46:43 over a billion he's gonna make that money i i can tell you that he's yeah he's
00:46:43 --> 00:46:48 a hell of a business man i just said it he's gonna get that money i i i you
00:46:48 --> 00:46:53 know do it all you know what i mean it's just politics is not his lane i mean
00:46:53 --> 00:46:58 he's not a politician no he's not he's not he's not so,
00:46:59 --> 00:47:04 okay all right well we're gonna move on we're gonna move off we're gonna move
00:47:04 --> 00:47:11 off the down okay all right okay okay yeah we since i got some old school people
00:47:11 --> 00:47:13 on here i thought this would be an interesting story so.
00:47:14 --> 00:47:17 Leonard, you remember The Price is Right, right? Yeah, I do.
00:47:17 --> 00:47:20 You remember Bob Barker, right? I do.
00:47:20 --> 00:47:24 Since you're the young boy here, you know, so I just want to make sure.
00:47:24 --> 00:47:26 Okay. So I came across the story.
00:47:26 --> 00:47:31 Former black models on The Price is Right says host Bob Barker was racist.
00:47:32 --> 00:47:36 Okay. So now I don't know if you guys remember when they first,
00:47:36 --> 00:47:38 you know, they were in a Claudia Jordan.
00:47:39 --> 00:47:43 You know, she was one of the first black women on there to be a model.
00:47:43 --> 00:47:47 And there was the other woman. I'm going to say her name in the story in a moment.
00:47:48 --> 00:47:52 Kathleen Bradley. Yeah, you know who I'm talking about, right? Miss Parker.
00:47:53 --> 00:47:59 Yeah, Kathleen Bradley. That's her name. Yeah, so, but here's the story.
00:47:59 --> 00:48:06 It says a new documentary, new documentary is bringing renewed attention to
00:48:06 --> 00:48:09 Bob Barker's time on The Price is Right.
00:48:09 --> 00:48:20 The former model alleges racism, retaliation, and a toxic work environment behind the scenes.
00:48:20 --> 00:48:25 Several women say that Barker treated Black contestants and staff differently.
00:48:27 --> 00:48:32 According to Complex, former model Claudia Jordan claims producers limited the
00:48:32 --> 00:48:36 number of Black contestants allowed per taping to two.
00:48:37 --> 00:48:40 You don't always wonder why you didn't see a lot of him pick a lot of black
00:48:40 --> 00:48:42 people on that show. That's interesting.
00:48:43 --> 00:48:46 Yeah. She also said contestant cards.
00:48:48 --> 00:48:53 Were marked so that Barker would know who was about to come on down.
00:48:54 --> 00:49:02 Jordan adds that Barker appeared uneasy around black contestants on stage and
00:49:02 --> 00:49:07 that she sometimes was targeted with race-based jokes.
00:49:08 --> 00:49:12 Kathleen Bradley, who became the first full-time black model on the show,
00:49:13 --> 00:49:18 says she occasionally heard racist language during production meetings when
00:49:18 --> 00:49:19 bottles were not present.
00:49:20 --> 00:49:28 She describes the workplace as one where discrimination was often normalized and rarely challenged.
00:49:28 --> 00:49:37 Holly Holstrom, one of the original Barker beauties, has also spoken publicly about her experiences.
00:49:37 --> 00:49:45 She claims Barker showed anger towards fellow model Dion Parkinson and made... Get your phone!
00:49:46 --> 00:49:54 Sorry. and made offensive remarks about Black men during internal disputes.
00:49:55 --> 00:50:01 Halstam also alleges she was removed from the show after refusing to support
00:50:01 --> 00:50:05 Barker's doing Parkinson's sexual harassment lawsuit.
00:50:05 --> 00:50:12 Barker, who died in 2023 at age 99, consistently denied all these allegations
00:50:12 --> 00:50:14 of wrongdoing during his lifetime.
00:50:14 --> 00:50:22 His long-time representatives have also rejected the claims raised in the documentary. So.
00:50:23 --> 00:50:29 Know this was a show that was on for and still on i mean for years and bob barker
00:50:29 --> 00:50:34 was the host that we all kind of came up with you know and i think at one time
00:50:34 --> 00:50:36 all of us watched it i mean i know,
00:50:36 --> 00:50:41 i know i watched it because my mom watched it i watched it leonard did you watch
00:50:41 --> 00:50:46 it yeah i mean i watched it because my my grandparents and aunts watched it
00:50:46 --> 00:50:52 yeah yeah yeah i mean so when you do You know, when you look at these game shows, you think about,
00:50:52 --> 00:50:57 especially during the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s, during those times when game
00:50:57 --> 00:50:59 shows were still pretty popular,
00:50:59 --> 00:51:05 and you kind of noticed that you didn't see a lot of blacks that would be on
00:51:05 --> 00:51:07 these shows, or whatever the case may be.
00:51:07 --> 00:51:10 Do you think a lot of it had to do with hosts like Barker?
00:51:10 --> 00:51:16 What do you guys think? So, I mean, for myself, so I don't necessarily remember
00:51:16 --> 00:51:20 as far as, you know, the lack of black people or not.
00:51:20 --> 00:51:24 But I'm not surprised that they limited it to black people because,
00:51:24 --> 00:51:28 you know, I think now since all this has been coming out, you know,
00:51:28 --> 00:51:30 of course, I've seen some videos, this one video.
00:51:30 --> 00:51:37 And I mean, it was, you know, probably a an outlier type of video.
00:51:37 --> 00:51:42 But there was a white lady who came up, you know, Bob Barker gives her a hug
00:51:42 --> 00:51:43 or kisses her on the cheek.
00:51:44 --> 00:51:49 And then right after that, there was a black lady who came up who tried to give Bob a hug.
00:51:49 --> 00:51:52 And he was like running around this. You know, he was like running in a circle.
00:51:52 --> 00:51:54 But, you know, he kind of made.
00:51:54 --> 00:51:58 Yeah. Like but he kind of made like a joke of it, like laughing at it.
00:51:58 --> 00:52:03 But it's kind of like, you know, once I had that, you know, idea that he he
00:52:03 --> 00:52:06 could be racist, then it's like, well, you know, why, you know,
00:52:06 --> 00:52:09 why are you running? Because you didn't run from the white lady.
00:52:10 --> 00:52:14 And Dave, I'd also like to say, and that's right, you didn't come down,
00:52:14 --> 00:52:18 but Kathleen Bradley was at GNR Campgrounds.
00:52:19 --> 00:52:21 She had come down for the pageant. So I got to meet her.
00:52:22 --> 00:52:30 Very nice. Very elegantly articulate, but very nice person. Very down to earth.
00:52:31 --> 00:52:35 And I actually bought her book and I had it signed to me as well.
00:52:35 --> 00:52:38 So you could have had one too if you had been there.
00:52:39 --> 00:52:44 But the other thing I'd like to say too is, and I kind of want to ask,
00:52:44 --> 00:52:48 but I think it might have been past her time, but my cousin who lives here in
00:52:48 --> 00:52:54 Delaware, she was also one of Barker's beauties on The Price is Right.
00:52:54 --> 00:53:00 Her name is, um, yeah, her maiden name was Ashley, good God.
00:53:00 --> 00:53:05 That's your cousin. Coleman. I'm sorry. Ashley Coleman. See, I'm getting old.
00:53:06 --> 00:53:11 I'm just getting old. like dynamiters. No, no, no, no, don't even try it.
00:53:12 --> 00:53:16 But long story short, I believe everything I've heard, there's nothing I've
00:53:16 --> 00:53:19 heard where I'm like, oh, that probably didn't happen.
00:53:19 --> 00:53:24 So I, you know. In fact, Dave, what was that on? Is there a documentary for that?
00:53:25 --> 00:53:28 Because I definitely want to see it. I just don't know where it is.
00:53:28 --> 00:53:32 There was a document. There is a documentary. Let's see.
00:53:34 --> 00:53:39 Yeah, it's not saying what it's on, But there is definitely a new documentary
00:53:39 --> 00:53:45 It's bringing it up So it's out there It's definitely out there So either one
00:53:45 --> 00:53:47 of you guys have any comments about this?
00:53:48 --> 00:53:51 Well, fellas, what can we say? It was the 70s.
00:53:53 --> 00:53:56 The truth. That is true. Yeah, that is true.
00:53:57 --> 00:54:00 It changed my diversity of life. Made me take a course.
00:54:00 --> 00:54:04 Made me do things I didn't want to do. The whole lot of racism.
00:54:04 --> 00:54:06 Right there in Wilmington, Delaware.
00:54:06 --> 00:54:10 Oh, yeah. That's true. That's true. That is true.
00:54:11 --> 00:54:14 Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay.
00:54:16 --> 00:54:18 They was having ditty parties back then.
00:54:21 --> 00:54:24 You know it was tucked in diddy parties,
00:54:28 --> 00:54:30 diddy parties didn't just start with diddy.
00:54:35 --> 00:54:39 Well keep in mind they didn't have they didn't have these phones back then so
00:54:39 --> 00:54:44 a lot of stuff never found out about you imagine you imagine you guys are ballplayers you imagine,
00:54:45 --> 00:54:51 if there was this type of electronics and social media and stuff back during
00:54:51 --> 00:54:53 the times that, you know,
00:54:53 --> 00:54:57 coming up with Magic and all them guys, you know, all these superstars,
00:54:57 --> 00:55:03 you imagine what would have came out, you know, about a lot of the stuff that they did.
00:55:03 --> 00:55:07 Magic talked about it. So he said, man, I'm so glad that I didn't play during this time, man.
00:55:07 --> 00:55:10 Because you can't do anything anymore. You can't do anything.
00:55:11 --> 00:55:13 All y'all dynamiters would have been in trouble.
00:55:14 --> 00:55:18 Every single one of y'all dynamiters would have been on somebody's tape,
00:55:18 --> 00:55:19 someone's social media.
00:55:20 --> 00:55:23 Everybody would have been in trouble. But you know what, Dave? Yeah.
00:55:24 --> 00:55:29 You know, back when I was a kid, like 14 and 15, they thought it was going to be something.
00:55:29 --> 00:55:32 P.S. had a coach named Ralph Baer. You ever heard of him? Yeah,
00:55:32 --> 00:55:33 I know who Ralph Baer was, yes.
00:55:34 --> 00:55:39 Man, that guy used to come out of his pocket, you know, because I was going to go to Howard.
00:55:40 --> 00:55:44 I wasn't going to go to Pierce, but he heard about me, you know, from Bancroft.
00:55:44 --> 00:55:47 That guy, he paid for my basketball camps and everything.
00:55:47 --> 00:55:51 He used to come right in the project, up to the front door, get me,
00:55:51 --> 00:55:56 take me way out somewhere, to A.I., to P.I.
00:55:56 --> 00:56:00 Somewhere, whole castles, you know, anywhere back as a kid that we didn't know
00:56:00 --> 00:56:02 nothing about, you know.
00:56:03 --> 00:56:09 But uh but he exposed me to a lot of things you know basketball camps and stuff but uh,
00:56:10 --> 00:56:15 those settings was really rough yeah they they were they were and it was a lot
00:56:15 --> 00:56:18 of stuff going on back then and you know when you see it when you hear these
00:56:18 --> 00:56:20 type of stories and i'm pretty sure.
00:56:21 --> 00:56:24 That and now you know it's funny leonard you said you want to see the documentary
00:56:24 --> 00:56:29 i do too because i like to see what really went on back then you know but we
00:56:29 --> 00:56:33 keep finding out stuff we keep finding out stuff about this kind of stuff happening
00:56:33 --> 00:56:35 back during the day anyway, you know, so...
00:56:37 --> 00:56:42 But I'm sure when we see the documentary, I'm sure a lot will be said.
00:56:44 --> 00:56:49 But it's funny how all of it comes out now after everybody's dead and gone.
00:56:49 --> 00:56:52 Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's true. That's true.
00:56:52 --> 00:56:57 But me and Leonard was talking last week and recently because we've been doing
00:56:57 --> 00:56:58 this show for five years now.
00:56:58 --> 00:57:02 So we've talked about a lot of different things. And we talk about,
00:57:02 --> 00:57:06 you know, we're in cancel culture now.
00:57:06 --> 00:57:09 So, you know, you, you know, stuff that we came up watching,
00:57:10 --> 00:57:15 you know, like, could you do the Jefferson's now the way the Jefferson's was done?
00:57:15 --> 00:57:20 Could you do, could you do good, what, all my children now and put it on TV
00:57:20 --> 00:57:25 and think you're going to get away with them saying the same stuff they said back during the 70s?
00:57:26 --> 00:57:30 No, that's not going to happen. No, absolutely not. Not going to happen. No.
00:57:30 --> 00:57:38 You know, so we're just in a whole different day and time. It's really a different day and time now.
00:57:40 --> 00:57:44 But anyway, Leonard, I think you got a story you wanted to talk about there.
00:57:44 --> 00:57:49 Yeah, so my next story, and I mean, it's kind of weird, but so,
00:57:50 --> 00:57:54 you know, of course, last week, the shuttle Artemis II, you know,
00:57:54 --> 00:57:56 went to the moon, went around the moon and came back.
00:57:57 --> 00:58:02 And of course, you know, congratulations, it was piloted by an African-American,
00:58:03 --> 00:58:11 But now that it has landed, there's a lot of controversy regarding some conspiracy theories.
00:58:11 --> 00:58:16 I'm not sure if y'all heard any, but there's videos going around saying that
00:58:16 --> 00:58:21 they didn't really go into space, that they were, you know, they did fake space.
00:58:22 --> 00:58:26 And Dave, one video I saw specifically, and Robin and Marvin,
00:58:26 --> 00:58:31 I'm not sure if y'all have seen it, but they had the astronauts and they were,
00:58:31 --> 00:58:35 you know, supposedly in space. They were all lined up. They were kind of talking for an interview.
00:58:36 --> 00:58:38 And one of the astronauts was holding a ball.
00:58:39 --> 00:58:45 And he dropped the ball. And the ball went straight down, like out of the screen.
00:58:45 --> 00:58:49 So, you know, people are saying, okay, if y'all in space and everything's floating,
00:58:49 --> 00:58:51 you should have kind of dropped. Why ain't that ball?
00:58:51 --> 00:58:53 Yeah. Like, you should have dropped the ball. And it should have,
00:58:54 --> 00:58:55 like, floated in that area.
00:58:56 --> 00:58:59 So, and then another thing I saw today, and I'm not sure y'all might have seen it, too.
00:59:01 --> 00:59:07 I guess NASA put out a video of Earth that they shot during this trip and some
00:59:07 --> 00:59:14 guy matched it with whenever they first went to the moon. I don't know if it was 77 or whatever.
00:59:14 --> 00:59:19 The images were the exact same, like the clouds were in the exact same position.
00:59:20 --> 00:59:23 So and that shouldn't have been. That shouldn't have been. No,
00:59:23 --> 00:59:27 but I mean, somebody said that NASA just used like an AI photo,
00:59:27 --> 00:59:31 like it wasn't the action. But it's kind of like if NASA puts out a photo,
00:59:31 --> 00:59:32 it needs to be a real photo.
00:59:33 --> 00:59:35 So I just kind of want to get y'all takes.
00:59:36 --> 00:59:41 You know, do you believe that they really went to space? If so, why? If not, why?
00:59:42 --> 00:59:44 And I guess, Robin, can we start with you?
00:59:45 --> 00:59:47 I don't believe they went to space.
00:59:48 --> 00:59:56 I remember, you know, when they did go to space, that it was saying that something happened.
00:59:57 --> 01:00:02 If we look, seven astronauts or something died or something.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:07 Yeah, I mean, one of those. I really don't think anybody made an attempt to go off there since then.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:13 You know, matter of fact, they was making fun of that by saying NASA stands
01:00:13 --> 01:00:16 for need another seven astronauts.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:18 Oh, damn.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:24 I've never heard that before. That's what they said it stand for.
01:00:25 --> 01:00:30 You know, so I, it just looked funny. I seen that same thing where that ball dropped. Yeah.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:34 And it should have been floating because everything else is floating.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:36 Right. Yeah. That ball wasn't floating.
01:00:37 --> 01:00:39 Wow. Wow.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:44 Well, you know, this is not the first time they accused NASA,
01:00:44 --> 01:00:46 you know, of them faking going to space.
01:00:46 --> 01:00:49 You know, this happened back during, what was that, Marvin? Wasn't that around
01:00:49 --> 01:00:54 the 70s or something they said? remember when they you know what I'm talking about right,
01:00:56 --> 01:01:02 No, I can't recall. Yeah, there was a, because they made a movie about it,
01:01:02 --> 01:01:07 and they were talking about how they made this soundstage,
01:01:08 --> 01:01:15 a movie theater, where they were showing them jumping around like they were in space. Oh, yeah.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:20 Yeah, and they said this happened during the 70s. What?
01:01:21 --> 01:01:26 Yeah, and they said they never went to space, said it was, they had the whole
01:01:26 --> 01:01:27 thing like on a movie set.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:31 And they had them jumping around like, yeah, it was crazy.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:37 It was crazy. I was just like, first of all, after what Robin said about the
01:01:37 --> 01:01:41 astronauts, you know, that whole thing what was that? Apollo?
01:01:42 --> 01:01:44 Was that one of the Apollo missions that blew up?
01:01:45 --> 01:01:47 15 or something like that. Yeah, right.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:53 Sure, they were scared to go back up there again. you know and that's why they
01:01:53 --> 01:01:58 keep doing these trips that they're not going all the way up in space you know
01:01:58 --> 01:02:01 they're just going around see like they're just going around earth.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:06 Know i don't think they're going up in space i've sensed
01:02:06 --> 01:02:08 that last day i don't think i don't think
01:02:08 --> 01:02:12 they're going up in space no more if they
01:02:12 --> 01:02:15 are something wrong you know i mean because uh i don't
01:02:15 --> 01:02:20 i don't think they're doing that i just don't you know yeah it's just a lot
01:02:20 --> 01:02:25 of stuff being rigged up to make it look like you know this is the world and
01:02:25 --> 01:02:30 these are astronauts and they're actually really going and bringing back samples
01:02:30 --> 01:02:32 and they're taking text this is,
01:02:33 --> 01:02:36 testing stuff up there and they moonwalking and
01:02:36 --> 01:02:41 i'm like okay all right okay well
01:02:41 --> 01:02:44 whatever y'all say yeah i know well i'm
01:02:44 --> 01:02:48 sure i'm sure they got that ball they go i'm sure they got that ball and they
01:02:48 --> 01:02:53 got rid of it real quick so they couldn't test it or whatever so in fact they
01:02:53 --> 01:02:57 didn't did you see that video that we're talking about i laughed when i saw
01:02:57 --> 01:03:01 it i saw it yeah i i was gonna say something to you about it,
01:03:01 --> 01:03:04 but I forgot to mention it to you. I said, man, that's crazy.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:11 You know, so, and of course it only happened because a black man was leading
01:03:11 --> 01:03:12 the mission. You know what I mean?
01:03:13 --> 01:03:16 So, that's the only reason that happened. Dave, the only thing I can say,
01:03:16 --> 01:03:18 and this is just devil the advocate.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:23 Technology in the last 20 years has been flying.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:28 And I only say that to say, like, you know, 20 years ago. Well, OK, let's say 25.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:32 Like, I don't remember Internet 25 years ago. I don't remember cell phones.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:37 You know, we have self-driving cars. We're flying drones.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:41 So I'm not doubting that it's not possible.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:46 I'm not sure if we really went to space this last trip. But I mean,
01:03:46 --> 01:03:50 you know, you know, technology has been advancing at the speed of light.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:54 So I'm sure there will be a point when we are really, you know,
01:03:55 --> 01:03:58 going to the moon, doing all that. If that wasn't last week.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:04 Yeah. OK. Well, that's funny.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:09 Well, when you say it all that you just said, that's going to take us to our
01:04:09 --> 01:04:15 last thing that we're going to talk about tonight before we end the show, which is Dave's Corner.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:19 This is Leonard's favorite part of the show, guys, where I get to talk about
01:04:19 --> 01:04:25 something and get him to give his thoughts on it or our guests.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:27 So what we're going to do is talk about Dave's Corner.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:33 And since Leonard just said what he said, this is what my Dave's Corner question is today.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:38 And I'm going to ask each one of you how you feel about this.
01:04:39 --> 01:04:44 What is better, a world with AI or a world without AI?
01:04:45 --> 01:04:48 Give your reasons to support your choice.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:53 So Marvin, we're going to start with you, because you're the older of the group. Okay.
01:04:54 --> 01:04:59 What's your thought? Do you think the world is better with AI or without AI?
01:05:02 --> 01:05:06 A lot of people losing their jobs, man. That's the thing in Joe.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:11 But you got to have it, though. So I would say better with AI.
01:05:12 --> 01:05:16 Okay. So you think because, you know, it's taking a lot of jobs away from people, huh?
01:05:17 --> 01:05:22 Yeah. But at the same time, man, I hate to say it, but our kids ain't learning
01:05:22 --> 01:05:24 nothing to keep up with today's technology.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:29 So, you know? Yeah.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:35 Yeah. I mean, I was kind of test 22 there. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:41 Okay. All right. Robin, what's your thoughts? Is the world better with AI or without AI?
01:05:43 --> 01:05:46 100% with what Marvin said. You know what I mean?
01:05:47 --> 01:05:53 You know, the job loss thing is going to be big, but for our youth,
01:05:53 --> 01:05:57 our children, you know what I mean? It's starting their growth.
01:05:58 --> 01:06:07 They're not, you know, when I was coming up, we had to do things. We had to figure it out.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:13 We had to figure it out. You know what I mean? we had to you know make up little
01:06:13 --> 01:06:18 little things to do and games and stuff like that it wasn't you know a lot of
01:06:18 --> 01:06:24 all this technology stuff that's going on today you know so yeah i agree,
01:06:25 --> 01:06:30 that's true you know what dave yeah but a lot of people ain't mentioning the
01:06:30 --> 01:06:36 reason why people's utility bills are sky high and getting higher nobody's doing
01:06:36 --> 01:06:40 nothing about these ai companies Those are the ones that are boasting up the utility bill.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:44 Well, you know, we got that data center.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:50 I don't know if you knew about this, Marvin. They're building a data center down there in St.
01:06:51 --> 01:06:53 George's. And people are really upset about it.
01:06:55 --> 01:06:59 And this thing is bigger than a football field. Yeah, I saw it. Oh, wow.
01:06:59 --> 01:07:05 Yeah, it's huge. Okay? And once that thing is up and running,
01:07:05 --> 01:07:10 which I think it's supposed to be within the next few, I think they said in
01:07:10 --> 01:07:11 the next six or seven months.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:17 That thing is going to, they're worried about costs going up even more because
01:07:17 --> 01:07:19 they're going to need to power that thing. Right.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:25 Yeah, so, but that's, you know, it's going to be crazy.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:30 It's going to be crazy. And data centers are popping up in each state all over.
01:07:31 --> 01:07:32 So, you know, yeah, so.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:37 Well, Leonard, what's your thoughts on here? Now, Leonard's a very technical guy, guys.
01:07:37 --> 01:07:42 So, you know, he relies on a lot of this stuff. So I'm anxious to hear what he's going to say.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:46 So, I mean, to be honest, I'm glad to agree with them. I mean,
01:07:46 --> 01:07:48 I think it's like a temporary benefit.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:53 But, I mean, in the long term, AI is going to be replacing jobs that,
01:07:54 --> 01:07:58 you know, you know, more and more jobs every year.
01:07:58 --> 01:08:02 And I mean, it's already replaced a lot of jobs. And then, two,
01:08:02 --> 01:08:05 you know, I think it's a detriment to the black community because,
01:08:06 --> 01:08:07 I mean, I think it's already proven that,
01:08:08 --> 01:08:16 you know, we are not equipped with the, you know, we fall behind in technology.
01:08:16 --> 01:08:21 So, you know, by, you know, the black community not being creators of AI,
01:08:22 --> 01:08:26 you know, like, well, I mean, if we're only the user and not the creator,
01:08:27 --> 01:08:29 then we're going to fall even farther behind.
01:08:29 --> 01:08:32 So I think overall, I think it's a bad thing.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:36 And right now it seems like AI has no limit.
01:08:36 --> 01:08:41 And I only say that in terms of, you know, like when does AI stop?
01:08:41 --> 01:08:47 Because, you know, I'm sure soon AI is going to create AI and those AI are going
01:08:47 --> 01:08:51 to be creating robots and then them robots are going to be creating other robots.
01:08:51 --> 01:08:56 And I mean, you know, it probably come to a point where they don't need humans no more.
01:08:57 --> 01:09:01 It'd be like the movie iRobot. It'd be iRobot right here, right?
01:09:01 --> 01:09:06 Yeah. Yeah, they already got some of those crazy people taking their lives and
01:09:06 --> 01:09:09 stuff and falling in love with false people.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:15 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah.
01:09:15 --> 01:09:20 I think we all kind of feel the same way about this subject because,
01:09:20 --> 01:09:24 of course, we worry about the whole thing about taking jobs and so forth.
01:09:24 --> 01:09:27 You guys been in
01:09:27 --> 01:09:29 a mcdonald's lately where you're going to mcdonald's and they
01:09:29 --> 01:09:32 don't have anybody at the counter and you got to do everything yourself
01:09:32 --> 01:09:36 yeah on the screen yeah yeah that's that's
01:09:36 --> 01:09:39 the craziest thing to me that you walk into a fast food place and
01:09:39 --> 01:09:43 they don't have anybody at the counter and you got to do everything yourself
01:09:43 --> 01:09:45 you know and and you know but that's
01:09:45 --> 01:09:49 where we're heading that's where we're heading absolutely yeah
01:09:49 --> 01:09:52 so but all right folks well
01:09:52 --> 01:09:56 there there you have it you know so once
01:09:56 --> 01:10:00 again we have the inductees two
01:10:00 --> 01:10:04 of the inductees going into the afro-american hall
01:10:04 --> 01:10:09 of fame this saturday and for you guys that already got tickets i'm sure it's
01:10:09 --> 01:10:14 going to be a show but we we want to thank robin johnson and marvin bell for
01:10:14 --> 01:10:19 coming on and hanging out with us today and you know we definitely want to say
01:10:19 --> 01:10:23 congratulations on behalf of news and trends with Dave and Lynn.
01:10:24 --> 01:10:29 And thank you guys for coming on the show and hanging out. Thank you. Thank you for having me.
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