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[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, and welcome to my moment where Erik Fleming. I am your host, Erik Fleming.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And today it's going to be a bonus episode.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this one's going to be long but it's going to be entertaining because I've got a couple of guests that

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think are some of the funniest and most of the political observers out there.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I am really, really honored that they came on.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think you all are going to really, really enjoy them and see what I saw in them

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: as far as what they contribute to what's been going on in this 2024.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Hellscape that we call the political campaign.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I've got a bonus tree for y'all.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You've got a feature that I told y'all that I'm going to try to make regular when we can all get together.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And so this is one of those magical moments.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be a long one but it's going to be a good one.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So I really want y'all to listen and pay attention and I hope that y'all are entertained.

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[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: As I'm recording this, we don't know if the podcast is one or not.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But next episode, I'll hit you up to that as well as some other changes that's going to be coming.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to another level y'all and I thank y'all for making that happen.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's all I've with it with the four sheets of say, that's all I got to say about that, cow.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so let's go ahead and get this episode going with a moment of news.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: We're great to see you.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_04]: The Federal Reserve initiated a series of interest rate cuts with a surprising half percentage point reduction to reinforce its commitment to maintaining low unemployment.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: A US Senate bill to secure federal protections and enhance insurance for fertility treatments failed to pass for a second time.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Sean Diddy Cones accused of conducting a sex trafficking scheme was arrested and pled not guilty in federal court.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_04]: The international brotherhood of Teamsters announced it will not endorse any presidential candidate this election cycle.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: An NAACP poll reveals that over a quarter of young black men support Donald Trump in the upcoming presidential election.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: A Colorado judge has reduced a paramedic sentence to probation in the case of a large-scale claims death.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Police discovered a body believed to be that of Joseph Countch, a fugitive who allegedly shot an injured five motorists in Kentucky.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Nebraska's highest court has allowed competing constitutional amendments on abortion rights and restrictions to appear on November's ballot.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: A North Dakota judge has overturned the state's near-total abortion ban, allowing legal abortions for the first time in over a year.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Three US citizens were sentenced to death by a military court in the Democratic Republic of Congo for their involvement in a failed coup attempt.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Boeing and Union negotiators are engaged in talks after workers voted to strike for better pay.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And Tito Jackson, one of the founding members of the Jackson Five, died at the age of 70.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I am Grace G and this has been a moment of news.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, thank you Grace for that moment of news.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And now before we have our first guest on, I'm going to do something a little different.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So you notice one of the stories that we highlighted was the fact that one of the paramedics that had been found guilty of killing Elijah McLean was had his sentence changed.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He was sentenced for five years in prison.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And now the judge that gave this sentence basically changed his mind and then Colorado State law, they can do that after I think 119 days.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: They, that judge commuted that sentence to probation instead of five years in prison.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So earlier I've had, in the past I should say, I had a guest named Median Holmes.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Median is a resident of that community and is a confidant in friend of Elijah McLean's mom.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So I reached out to her and asked her, did she want to make a statement or,

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: um, Elijah's mom wanted to make a statement for me to read on the podcast.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And so Median sent me a statement.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So here it is.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to read that because they had not responded to mainstream media until today, the data I'm recording this.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is Median statement. She's Median, Schoffner now, but she was Median Holmes when she came on the podcast and I'm glad that she responded.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: As a mother, I know what it means to love without condition and to protect with every breath.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: To watch a system that should protect our children instead modified justice in the face of murder as a betrayal no mother should endure.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: As a society we ask sheen and McLean to do something unnatural and that is to bury her son.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And now, we are asking her to open that wound back up without any opportunity for healing or closure.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: The man who injected the ketamine in Elijah's neck ensuring that he would not live beyond that night is now back in the same community that she is trying to reinsert herself into.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: The pain of losing Elijah McLean isn't just felt by his mother, but by every mother in our community because Elijah was all of our sons.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: He was the embodiment of hope, promise and innocence. This wound cuts deeper with every attempt to lessen the weight of accountability.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Our community demands more than leniency, we demand justice because our children's lives are not negotiable.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Each attempt to lessen the weight of accountability to offer leniency where justice is due is a direct attack on the value of black lives.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It tells us once again that the lives of our children can be negotiated, that our pain is tolerable and that justice is optional when it comes to our families.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Until true accountability is delivered, our fight for justice will not cease. This fight is not just a fight of black mothers, fathers and community.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a test of humanity. Where do you stand?

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So again, that was from Median Schoffner who has been a previous guest on this podcast and a confidant of Elijah McLean's mother, Sheen and McLean,

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: responding to the judge commuting, reversing the sentence that was given to the paramedic that injected too much ketamine into Elijah McLean's system.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: From a five-year prison term to four years probation.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was important to reach out to Median to get some kind of response to that because,

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: to be honest, I had never heard of that. But in Colorado, this kind of deal, it's like the judge can, you know, after basically three months changes mine.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it had been six months, it had been imprisoned but, you know, it's like, I guess you can petition the judge and after three months,

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: you can, he or she can change their mind. So anyway, I'm glad that Median was able to respond and that you heard that.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And outside of maybe the state of Colorado, I don't know if anybody has gotten any kind of response from her or the McLean family in regards to the decision being,

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: reverse the sentence being reversed. So I'm glad that we were able to read that on the podcast and I, my, my sympathies,

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: are prayers go out to the McLean family. Yeah, that's that hurts, that hurts. So now that I've done that, I want to get on to our next guest.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And this sister is incredible. Her name is Kelly Nidenhuff. Now, mostly I'll know her as Kellbell.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: If you follow TikTok. So I am really, really honored to have this sister on who I believe keeps it real but keeps it funny.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So we can digest it better and we'll get into that in the interview. I'm sure, but, well, let me just go ahead and introduce sister Kelly Nidenhuff is an intellectual interrogator defined a beta and champion of common sense.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Her native Louisiana and a native Louisiana and HBCU graduate. She is very southern, very black, very much a mother child and very proud to be each of those things.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Kelly graduated from Xavier University in Louisiana with a degree in biology pre-ment but decided to explore the path of performing arts instead of medical school.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: She maintains that the medical field is still in her back pocket as planned being. She auditioned and was accepted into the American musical and dramatic Academy in Manhattan.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Completed her postgraduate work there in 15 months and was performing on a national tour three weeks after she graduate.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Over the past two decades, she has performed on stages across North America.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Most notably, earning a Helen Hayes Award nomination for a Valdez standing support actress for her role in the historic fourth theaters presentation of the Civil War.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Kelly has had an appetite for digesting American politics from a very young age, which she attributes to her grandmother.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: They're daily routine of having coffee and reading the paper planted a seed of civic curiosity that blossomed into full-flowered civic duty.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: She knows there are many moving parts to our legislature and democracy, but the most important component is the right to vote.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: After the 2016 presidential election, she realized just how dire the state of American voter participation was. The colorful spirited political die tribes she posted for years on social media, which also landed her a few writing gigs, usually ended with a plea for everyone to vote.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And how is spelled H-E-A-U-X? The E-A-U-X spelling a nod to her Louise Annabrews.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The plea evolved into a hashtag which has now evolved into a brand focused on raising voter awareness and participation in this country.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Kelly believes in science, fact, truth, love and Jesus. The brown one that said all these religious rules are for the birds just love God and each other dummies.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: She thinks most issues can be resolved when those five things are properly applied to the solution.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: She is a silver-somer of the best Greek letter, best black Greek letter organization ever created, Delta Sigma Theta Cerro, and the Incorporated, having belonged for over 25 years.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Kelly is blessed beyond measure to have this port of her husband, Reverend Dr. Horus A. Huff, pastor educator Puggoffer, published author, and her hashtag, Coleman Love Partner in Crime.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: She is also a card-carry member of the B-Hive, and is very suspicious of any human who does not like Beyonce because why?

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Ladies and gentlemen, his modest think on and privilege to have as a guest, this podcast, Kelly Knighten.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I am really, really honored to have this special guest. You know her as Calbell.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: If you follow TikTok or you've heard the phrase, vote, that's in its whole HAU-X, right?

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The Louisiana spelling. So nobody will try to censor me anything, but Kelly Knighten Huff, the great one, the woman, the myth, the legend, how you doing, sister?

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't good? I am good. Now you said an expectation is real high.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you have developed this incredible following and it's all organic. And people appreciate that.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. Because you've got an audience and you've got a message. So, and like I said, I'm a big fan. I love the way you break stuff down because you know, I do this podcast with therapy, right?

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, the way that you say stuff, I can't say it necessarily in the pocket or I try not to say it on the podcast. Every now and then I have to drop something but I try to keep it a little, you know, a little PG on here.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm just, I'm gonna say it out here. Now if you've never heard, you never watched the kill bell videos, I'm just gonna say it. If the spirit you a grown woman of the spirit moves you and you got to say it, how you will say it.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_05]: We good. I'll say this. I'll say this. I have tried, like since the beginning of this year, but like since the summer, I've been trying to censor it because even my mom is like, maybe I like the way you said this, but I can't send it to nobody. I go to church to and so can you stop all that cut it and stop it. I'm like, yeah, I have it come out to come out, mom.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_05]: But what I have started to do, I started to put what I call my little, my little seasoning dust, my fairy dust on top and I try to censor all the profanity. So sometimes the videos, if you get the newer videos, they will be censored but you definitely don't know what I'm saying.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just saying, just like we were talking about, off the air about the vice president when she was addressing Trump. You knew exactly what she was saying, which he took that Paul.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think the law is going to keep me out because I thought it would ever happen again. It's just season and it just makes it a little more funny, it just makes it a little, you know, it hits home and honestly it's just what comes out of me.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not saying that I curse all the time or anything like that, but for the people who have sensitive ears just if you ever watch any of my videos know that it's not coming from a place of like some evil or anything like that.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a real passion that I have for these issues and these topics. And so the language just gets a little spicy, you know, sometimes a little spicy.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_05]: If I were the Thai restaurant, it's a five star, baby. So if you like the three stars or three chili, you know, then you might want to look at my YouTube because I do try to censor it all for my YouTube, but if you catch me on TikTok on the wrong day, you're going to get some spice.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: This is going to be it's going to be five. Look, I tell you, oh yeah, it's very important message looking I tell people all the time when they cousin in front of me and they say, well, excuse my French, I said, no, no that was English, I understood exactly exactly. So look, like I normally start off my interviews with a quote, so this is your quote.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we don't have to agree on everything or anything for that matter, but I will respect your commentary as long as you respect mine in other words, watch it, sucker. What's that for me?

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I know where that came from.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, because at the end of the day, you know, I am not a person who particularly subscribe to respect the ability politics.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I think that respect the respect the ability politics and you know, having the saying it the right way in keeping all that like we were talking about with Kamala when she was at the debate and she had to stop herself from saying what we all knew she wanted to say at that moment.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Since during yourself and saying things in a certain way, sometimes undermines the message that you're trying to get across to me.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And so when I put that quote up on my blog, I was like, listen, I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to have a discussion. However, if you can't respect facts, if you can't respect truth, if you can't respect, you know, having a back and forth, then we can also.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_05]: We can also, I know let me get a nobody, so you know, it is what it is. I, these was just words that we're saying to each other, but we're going to keep it respectful. Now if you did disrespectful and to me, disrespectful means you're not accepting fact as fact or you're not accepting truth as truth. If you just want to have your uneducated, uninformed opinion as, you know, the last word. Oh, baby, you, you've entered into the ring with the wrong person.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I would suggest that you exit now because it's about to get ugly. Yeah, yeah, watch it suck off. That's right. You know, to me, you know, I think that's been part of the problem is that people don't respect each other's opinions and I think that's why the discourse has gotten really, really hostile is because we're not respecting each other.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We know that, especially in the black community, we're not a monolith and I'll get into that a little deeper than another question. But you know, it's like it's all about respect and I think that's very, very important.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And we also, in respect, we have to start off on a common level. Like, you know, our society is built on the general acceptance of fact and truth as the standard and then you build your opinion from there.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_05]: If you are building an opinion on misinformation or disinformation, then I don't want to assign ugly, but your opinion is not to be respected in the first place.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And so we have to, we have to all agree that a common truth exists and that common reality exists. Tangibles, factual empirical knowledge and data that has to be where we all start.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And if we're not standing in a place of truth, then this discussion doesn't even need to be had in my opinion. Like that's how I wrote and it's because I've been at this for so long. You know, I've been my social media has been dedicated towards social justice and voting rights and civic things for years.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I've been doing this probably about 12 years now. So I am not the person to come to if you need a racism 101 primer.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not the person to, you know, enter into a discussion with if you don't understand the system that we're in with voting. So I will, I will try to redirect you and go, you know, maybe this is the conversation for you.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: But then if you push me or you keep pressing me, I'm going to cut you out because you're in the wrong class. We are this is this is the 400 level class. The remedial is down the hall and I don't have time for this because things are way too important.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_05]: But things are ways of important right now. You need to go to someone who can hold your hand and walk you through and listen to all his nonsense that you're saying, but as soon as I catch a whiff of misinformation or disinformation being your true and your base then I'm out. I'm out and I have no qualms about telling you how to get out of my face. Who with this nonsense and if you need my five nine to assist you.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to stop that and look at that. I definitely understand it was because I was a challenge for me being an elected official, right?

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Just dealing with them folks and being in Mississippi elected official dealing with stubborn folks. You know, it was like people said, you know, you custom out but you were so eloquent with it. You know what I'm saying? It was just kind of that.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you can't help it if you're passionate about stuff. Which leads me to this question.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You talk about how you and your grandmother used to sit down and drink coffee and read the paper and that was kind of your introduction in politics.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a specific moment where you knew this was something that you were going to be engaged in for your life?

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_05]: No, well, so all my life I was just watching my mom watch on my grandmother watching my bed even like they were very much in tune with what was going on.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I was just natively in the country and they would always like, you know, when certain people were running for governor or certain people running for anything, scare or anything like, you know, we always had the signs in the yard or I would participate with

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Not registration but when we would go out and hand out, can't listen. We would go canvassing and things like that. So I've always been engaged in civic activity because I was just taught that's what you're supposed to do and also I was taught this is up to us. Nobody is coming to save us.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Nobody else is in charge of this blood us and so if you if you complain about the system but you don't do anything to try to change the system, then what do you want me to my for like that. My grandmother was a very, you know, matter of fact we kind of person like that.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think one of the things that made me so into with civic involvement. I remember the Iran Contra stuff that was going on back in the day, my grandmother was losing the TV with that and so you know watching that and hearing what was going on.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I was just like how how what's happening, how how do you get away with this kind of thing in broad daylight around all these and these are the people who like make the laws that run our lives. And so you telling me that you know.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_05]: The guy down the street has to go to jail because he got caught with a little bit of weed on them, but this person is imbezzling millions and billions of dollars and doing things and they don't get punished at all like how was that right.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think that the spark the pure injustice of it and the pure unfairness of it, I think is what got me so involved in you know the political sphere. Now my when I was growing up always thought I was going to be a doctor because I wanted to help people and that has always been my guiding force. I want to help people as far as make your life better.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And being involved in politics people really don't understand that that is how you make your life better. We are the curators of our legislation, but when we don't participate the people who want to do nefarious things to us get to be in charge.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And so when I realized and it was around I want to say maybe 20. I think no, no, no, no, no, I take it back it was 2010 2010 was the first time I realized that not everybody was paying attention like me like I you know I thought the news is on everybody watching the news.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_05]: No, everybody's not watching news. Everybody does not care about this. Everybody doesn't understand the system and so I think 2010 is when I really shifted into using my social media trying to get the word out trying to make sure that people knew that this is up to you if you don't show up they went like that that was the easiest way to say it and 2010 showed that to us all of the work we did in 2007 2008 to get Barack Obama into the White House.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And then in 2010 to just have the rug ripped from under us just because people didn't show up. I want to say it was like 36% of the electorate showed up for the midterm and that's how he lost the house and the standard and then couldn't get anything passed.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And to this day people you know talk smack about President Obama and you know I'm not trying to be a Obama fan girl or anything but my defense is always well, wherever you was 2010 did you did you organize did you get people to come out to vote in 2010 because obviously you don't know how the system works if you think this one person could have fixed everything without congressional support like

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So I realized that people are just completely misinformed about how our system works and where the real power lies so I just started talking about it every day.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Every day I'm just trying to tell people listen your congress members your state congress and the people you send on to capital hill in congress those are the people who have the power over the everyday things that go on in your life.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Whether or not you have stop signs in your neighborhood whether or not you have street light whether or not you have hospitals whether or not you have emergency rooms.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_05]: These people are running your life and they're making it miserable and you're sitting at home not doing something that is free and that is fair and that is without violence and that is completely legal for you to make them do their job.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_05]: People want to talk about revolutions all the time and I'm just like the revolution would be to get 80% of us into the dog on voting booth and legally take this system over but nobody wants to do that.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_05]: So you know I think education is number one I try to put things in towards and in surprises that like like they used to say put it where the ghost can get it because I'm from style of the old I'm from the hood bad.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not you know the whole of girls great thing just being from the hood doesn't mean that your life is not going to be something beautiful and something successful.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And I want the people who are where I came from to understand that and to understand that you have power in this country that these people have tried to keep away from us and take away from us for generations.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And now we are the adults and we have to stand up and go not on our watch this is not happening. What's the purpose of all the education that we were offered if we're not going to utilize it properly.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to educate people and I try to keep people in the know and you know I I curse people out sometimes too but I'm all I'm really just trying to make this country or to make people in this country realize what power they actually have and get us to all use it in a way that will be beneficial to everyone and it is possible but we got a hard road ahead.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But you you're preaching there sister I greatly appreciate that sermon. Although you you did invoke some memories when you said Scotlandville I was like oh boy I remember visiting Scotlandville.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So so why do you in your strategy why do you use humor to convey your message since you said you want to put it where the goat's are.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I like to tell people that you know I will laugh you in the learning something because you remember makes the medicine go down easier you know it's a spoonful of sugar that helps the medicine go down you.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_05]: So it shows like the daily show or last week tonight was on Oliver things like that those are the kind of shows that got me more into politics I remember when in 2000 when George Bush and our world was going on.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_05]: The only the only thing that was keeping me from pulling my hair out was the daily show at that time because you have to laugh at some of the absurdity like if you don't laugh at it you will go crazy and I think that's where we are now in our country.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_05]: We've gotten to a point where things are not funny anymore, you know like we are literally fascism is knocking on our door we are literally being oppressed by insane people on the hill.

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_05]: These people on the right in the house like first when the tea party started in 2010 and now they got that freedom caucus nonsense.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_05]: These people are insane half of them are unqualified even being next to it and they are literally insane.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't want those kind of people taking over my country and my government but at the same time you know we can't doom and gloom it every single day because that's just that's the pressing.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_05]: So I try to use humor to make light of it but also to hit you in a very human plate when you can make somebody laugh it connects you to the metherom.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_05]: So if you feed people information in a way that they are more likely to accept it then they're more likely to retain it and more likely to act on it so that's the main reason I use humor.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And also because I am a very unserious person sometimes.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I am very unserious. I am an unserious person when I need to be serious but my default is clown.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_05]: My default is cat. My default is petty. My default is half fun so that's why I try to lean into my kids.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and I agree, I'm not a funny person. I think I might be considered witty and I can tell funny stories but I don't have that gift to just constantly bring it all the time so that's why I do what I do.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And I appreciate those people especially you that can use humor to connect with folks. I think that's because so let me ask you this question.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Now that we're getting into the campaign a little bit of the NAACP just commissioned a poll and it said that 25% of black men support Donald Trump in this election.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Now you were talking about the folks in the MAGA movement and all that stuff and I totally agree about the level of seriousness and lack of qualifications.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Because my daddy used to say crazy can be heard but crazy can't govern, right?

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what's happening. But tell me why do you think that we've got a quarter of the black men are supporting Donald Trump?

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, so before Connell Harris took over it hadn't peaked at 20 yet. I will say that the Republican party, the GOP set for years ago this has been decades in the making everything that we are seeing now the foundations and the groundwork was laid decades ago.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_05]: The GOP did a study that said they needed to grasp 20% of the black vote in order to disrupt the black vote in this country because the black vote is the only thing that is keeping them out of power.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_05]: So they had all kind of machinations that they were pulling. I remember it vaguely. I remember something like because Michael Steele was involved in Andy. That's a whole not the story, but you know because he has his whole reform on MSNBC now and I'm like, let this one in but anyway that's the story for another day.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_05]: But he was one of the people who was part of that. So I think the him being a part of that then couple that with in 2008 when Barack Obama won and then in 2016 when people were disenchanted with Obama because we did not give him the Congress he needed to pass all the things in his platform black men were disgruntled with Obama.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So they saw a prime opportunity then couple that with Hillary Clinton running massaging Iran's rampant no matter what color you are.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_05]: So between their disenchanted with Barack Obama then being faced with being led by a woman that started an exodus of black men who were not seeing anything that was giving them any kind of leg up in this country, right.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Part of it has to do with you know the vestiges of the crime bill from 93 black men were disproportionately targeted in that bill even though the black community asked for that bill and voted for that bill and champion that bill.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_05]: We did not know the specifics of the bill that we're going to that was not hit our community the way it hit so that was one thing that I think started the exodus from being all in with the democratic party.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Then there have been numerous studies showing that the Russian misinformation and disinformation campaigns they aimed directly at black men.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's part of it, you know they're out here basically flying just lying and telling black men things to make black men feel good about themselves but they're absolute lies like so that started the exodus and then when Biden handed.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Commodore the nomination that that was like the seal of it like that's why we got an over 20% like I said they were looking for 20% of the black community but around 20 I want to say it's like 2014 2015 they noticed that they were making no headway whatsoever with black women.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So the focus went directly towards black men then you also add into that Donald Trump being you know the con man that he is back in the day in the 90s all these black rappers.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_05]: But into the con that he was some rich billionaire whatever you know we all heard his name in the songs and all these things because you know everybody fell for the con I'm not saying that we were stupid for falling for the con.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_05]: But I will say that nobody outside of New York City.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't let me only people outside of New York City thought that Donald Trump was successful everybody within New York City was like it is a con.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So anyway you know putting in music putting him in popular culture especially in pop culture things like rap music that black men gravitate towards in that black men idolized the ideals in rap music.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_05]: When Donald Trump started pardoning black rappers that kind of you know unfortunately it sealed the deal so black men have and I don't say this in a negative way and I'm not attacking my brothers I love black men obviously we stand on a front lines for black men I know more great.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I know more great black men than I know bad black men at the same time black men have fallen for the Okido because they a lot of them want to be the new oppressor.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of them don't want freedom for everybody a lot of them just like the way that white men run the world and they want to do that that way.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_05]: They don't want to be on equal playing fields with black women they don't want to be on equal playing fields with Asian men or Latino men or whatever they want to replace the oppressor.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_05]: So that that mindset is what has them believing the lives and the cons that they believe right now and you know Donald Trump is out here still in goal shoes trying to you know in-house black men.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that's working but what I do think works is when somebody like you know I'm not going to say his name but there's a radio host that I cannot stand.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_05]: That is ignorant it's all out that just got his GED and doesn't know what the heck he's talking about.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_05]: People like that black men gravitate to because they can they can say it in a way that black men can appreciate and can relate to but what a lot of these black men don't realize is that it's course manure.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not the true it's live and that person also has an agenda that person is being paid by Republican lead financing so black men have a lot of work to do on themselves as far as understanding.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Understanding whether or not somebody has your best interest at heart when they're telling you something or when they're trying to lead you somewhere.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_05]: The other thing is I think when the data came out that black women were the largest educated demographic in this country black men felt some kind of way about that.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And so now with Kamala being vice president and now being the presidential nominee they see that again and they feel some kind of way about that you know and I just it it it's heartening and it's hurtful as a black woman to see that kind of thing happened because as much as we fight for black men.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Then to turn around and see that black men will still do us dirty and throw us you know under the rug and under the bus because they feel some kind of way about the way they're treated in this country.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_05]: What I wish I could say or what I wish I could promise is that black men need to understand that we are not going to leave you behind.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_05]: We if we're running we're going grab your behind and take a you with us but you got to stop kicking and screaming against us so that we can get there more efficiently.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't matter who is in the seat it doesn't matter that it's a black woman in the seat what matters is that it's somebody who cares about you in that seat.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It's somebody who knows you somebody who's related to you somebody who can see themselves and you see their brother see their dad see their cousin see their grandfather in you see their uncle in you.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're not going to leave you behind but you have to stop fighting if you know what it's like it's like trying to save somebody who's drowning.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Black women are trying to save black men because we know black men are drowning in this country we know black men have been done dirty in this country we know all the things that have been put up against you because they're up against us too.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_05]: But we learned how to swim a little bit better we had opportunities to go to swim class when black men didn't have that opportunity.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_05]: So now we are strong swimmers and we are trying to save you out of this drowning water but you're kicking and screaming against us and you're going to take us all under all because.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_05]: You think that the way the white man run the world is the way the world should be run and it's really unfortunate it's really sad and it's really hurtful.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_05]: But at the same time I can't stop trying like I still try to talk to black men as much as I can and go listen we are in this together and if you want us you know black men have this thing about wanting to lead all the time and wanting to submit to you.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Well you have to prove to me that you're not going to lead me into a ditch brother.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I'm like this this it's no just because you have x y chromosomes just because you don't have memory glands and a vagina does not mean that your cognitive skills and your analytical thought processes are stronger than mine or better than mine.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So let's sit down and let's let this thing out and if what you're saying doesn't make sense and what I'm saying makes more sense.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's do what I say and it doesn't mean that I am you know stronger than you are taking over some position that you think you should have.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_05]: We're in a thing together we try to get through this together so if you want me to submit to you you have to prove to me that you are worthy of being submitted to.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And this mindset that you have of trying to be the new oppressor that ain't it that ain't it and that so a lot of black men are going where they can feel like a man.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_05]: But they're going to be treated like boys yet again and it's bad to watch.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So that kind of leads me to my next question as a black woman when you hear critics say vice president Harris is not black or that she is not going to do anything for black people.

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_02]: How does that make you feel and what is your response to those critics.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It makes me feel frustrated because there's a clip that was going around of her saying something like that but it's a five second clip that was cut off in the middle of the sentence and I did test when people twist someone's words like that.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_05]: What kind of a hair is said was that she's not going to say she's going to do this this and it just for the black community because everything she does for the black community also helps everyone else.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And that I don't understand our people's disconnect with that the point of the matter is the arising type lifts all boats and black women unfortunately are at the bottom of the ocean right now.

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_05]: You know like we are at the bottom even with all the bad things that happens to black men black women still are underneath them because of massaging it like look at what happened with the teamsters yesterday the teamsters decided not to.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_05]: What did they in doors yeah they yeah they did not give their endorsement to anybody surprisingly now my dude you were ready to give it to Joe Biden.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_05]: So so what what what what what what interesting and we know we all know it's different but with that we we have to realize that doing things or one segment of people who are oppressed helps all people who are oppressed.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think she answered the question in a very you know educated way so as to not bring people who are going to be like see she's doing reverse racism and she's only going to help black people is it.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_05]: She avoided that accusation but because people don't want to look past the words that she said and because they cut it off then it may black people mad and it gave black people.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_05]: You know you made them step back and go wait a minute she's not going to do you have to understand.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_05]: One there can be no legislation that helps one singular race in this country that's literally against the constitution it's unconstitutional so you can't even put it in those terms what you can say however is that.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_05]: This is going to help everyone and it helps black people disproportionately oh well.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_05]: You know like oh well we're do we're do some disproportionate positives because we always endure the disproportionate negatives so when something like for example.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_05]: The student loan forgive is my student loan.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I forget what my undergrad student loans were forgiven I'm still waiting on my post-grad work to be forgiven with the save plan that was going on that the Republicans have stopped in Congress yet again and now is before the courts yet again.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_05]: But that is going to disproportionately help black women because black women are the highest educated demographic in this country.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't say it's not going to help black men if not going to help let's you know men and women it's not going to help Asian men and women it's going to help everybody but it just helps us more now if someone put that forward and said we're going to forgive.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Student loan debt so that black women in this country can have freedom all the white people be mad all Asian people be mad all the Latino people be mad because they think it's something that's only going to help black women so when you say student loan forgiveness.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_05]: If you know the steps you know it's going to help black women more while also helping everybody else and that I wish people would take that into consideration because that that's also with leading this whole she's not black because she's not down for us that it is a conversation.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_05]: This woman with the first of all she's an alpha chapter aka that that should in the conversation right there on her blackness right like she.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a how it ain't letting no non black person in place alpha chapter aka I'm so I'm spending it in a.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Right if you know anything if you know any things about the BGLO community you know good and god dog on well no.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Pretender is going to get into alpha type everything okay back in the 80s now nowadays with these online I don't know but back in the day that that's enough for me now and obviously I'm not paying that pledging is some kind of.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_05]: The type of person she is and the type of people she was around she wasn't going to get away with prostring and pretending for long so we have to disabuse ourselves.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Of this notion that just because both your grandparents weren't just in this of slaves means you're not real black there is no.

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Eating on blackness there are no rules on blackness whether used to be there used to be the you know one drop rule they used to be the black codes in Louisiana where you know you had to follow laws because you were black but at the end of the day.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Our blackness is something that we hold very close and very dear and very protected because it has been.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It's it's been taken it's been colonized it's been abused and so I get why we are so protective of it but what we have to start doing is.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Realizing that just because someone speaks and clip consonants one place and then let their hair down and doesn't speak and clip consonants in another place doesn't mean you're pretending not to be black and doesn't mean that you're not actually black and that's just because you don't watch the shows I watched doesn't mean you're not black you know it's just.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I get why it happened I get why people jump on that and then especially because of her mixed ancestry right like her mom was Indian but she has stayed at time and time again her mom raised them around black people to be black people because she knew that this country was going to see them as black people.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_05]: So her mom raised her within a cultural context where Conno la Harris identified with black people so saying that she's not black or saying that she's not really black is pure ignorant to me.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And I hate when people start in on that kind of thing because it is a thing I know where it comes from.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I know we don't you know when you have a white wash person around you or a black person who would only raise the round white people they're a little suspect and you have to learn to trust them you have to you know watch your back with them or whatever.

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not saying don't watch her back we come a little bit what I am saying is she has enough experience and she has related to us enough that her blackness shouldn't be in question her motive I can't speak to that.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_05]: But what I can say is saying that this woman isn't black is ignorant.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a ignorant and I wish people would stop because it's not helping us any and at the end of the out from Louisiana.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_05]: But my DNA now this I can trace myself back to slavery but at the end of the day my DNA is gumbo.

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And if everybody else would do you know some kind of research they would realize that there's is to we are all a bowl of gumbo in this country with DNA and who's black and who's not so we have to.

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_05]: We have to be responsible in our calling out of the people who pretend to be black or interlope in the black community we have to be judicious about who we call to the carpet on that and commonly here is not somebody we need to call to carpet on it.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's it's always fascinating about that and the other piece about being the elected official because I got upset when you know they were on this particular show you were talking about they had wanted a Justin's from Tennessee on there.

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know he he'd said something similar and they were trying to question them well you know you you got an Afro and you suppose we probably can all this stuff but you saying you do stuff and he was explaining the same thing and I tell him.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_02]: When you first of all we're the minority as far as not only in the country but in the building.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So we can convince wife to do something to help us we got to sell it. I had I had legislation to make it so financial literacy was taught in the public schools in Mississippi and and the realtor's association got behind it.

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And and basically you know push it because they first they were kind of like well some people saying well maybe if we if we get behind it maybe take air golf to build puts them either it's his idea.

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get behind it but what they didn't know was my reason they thought you know I was selling it as look you know people are going to get older especially in the poor state of nation.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You want everybody to be financially literate so they got a better chance of attaining wealth.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But my motivation was look at who are in the public schools of Mississippi is us is our kids.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's not what I want to take public education away.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right so but that so naturally that's going to benefit our children more so than anybody else.

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But when you when you when you trying to get it into law into the code of the especially the state of Mississippi you got it you you got to have the principle that all the rise entire lifts all boats.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah I'm going to say that yeah.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I just go say enough about me that I got you on here and we got close is out.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Well I will say this about politics and legislation I think there are two different things I think legislators and politicians are two different things you have to be a good politician to be an effective legislator though.

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And that is the different I don't like necessarily playing politics.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't like it.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't like it because of what you just said you have to sell it to people who are actively trying to keep you oppressed.

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_05]: So there is a little bit of tap dancing you have to do from time to time in order to sell freedom for your people to the people who want to keep your people oppressed.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just part of the game but what has happened in our society is that we have confused politics with legislation.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_05]: We think that just because somebody has a slick smile and you know can say it smooth they're going to have your best interest when they get into that seat.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And it has been proven time and time again that that's not it so I get like to bring it back to Conno la I get why people are side I and when she speaks in different dialects but at the same time as a person who is.

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_05]: In the same generation as Conno la I know that we were taught public speaking in school.

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I know my mom made me clip my confidence and you know they would tell us how to say things properly and eight eight note word like my mom that was her favorite phrase when I was saying eight eight a word.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's you know what what they were trying to do and what they were training us to do is to be presentable and to hold our own with people who would use anything against us or anything to discredit our ideas or our intellect or our right to speak up for our people.

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So there's a time where you have to clip those consonants there's a time where you have to play Kate and play respectability politics.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_05]: But at the same time the duality of being a black person in this country there's also a time where you kick back and you hanging with all girls and you don't have to do all that there's a time where you slip back into the comfortable times that you speak in like I told somebody the other day.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Black genetics has at minimum three voices we have our phone voice we have when we don't know who's calling us we have our work voice where we talked our coworkers and we have our home voice where we talked our family and friends and even at home you talk to your sibling in a different way that you talk to your auntie and your grandmother and your mother like there's differences and just because someone can easily move through that.

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't mean that they're calling you and doesn't mean that they don't have your best interest at heart and doesn't mean that they're not black what it means is that they have life experience that has shown them ways to code switch in ways to.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_05]: connect with people on different levels and that's actually a positive that's actually a weapon in our arsenal that we need we need people who can you know.

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_05]: just when necessary and adjust in the places and spaces where they demand respect and they demand attention and they demand someone taking them seriously.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_05]: So we as black people in this country I will say this I'm not saying that everybody has to learn how to speak a certain way but it's to your advantage to recognize when it time to turn things on when it's time to turn things off like as when we began this pocket.

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I I speak on my TikTok in a very different way than I'm speaking right now, but it's it's all coming from the same brain you know what I mean like it's the idea is all still there the intention is all still there.

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_05]: it's just that I'm speaking in a different way and that doesn't make me less black what it does is give me an advantage that I can speak to both my people and other people and demand to respect from other people that I would not get if I was speaking in a different way.

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Now should we have to do that no but it's it's the rules of the game we play and so as long as this is the game you have to learn the game and play it to your advantage.

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Trying to book the system of the game while you don't have an advantage in the game is not going to do anything but take you out of the game baby.

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And at the end of the day we take ourselves out of the game with all this nonsense that we focus on instead of focusing on how do we get an advantage in this system.

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_05]: How do we position ourselves put ourselves in pole position to win this game and that that's what my platform is all about I just want to teach people how this system works and to get us.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_05]: You need emotion and you need passion to play the game but if you only play the game with passion and emotion you will lose you have to know the rules you have to know where often and defense you have to know which players can move what way.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_05]: You have to know the rules of the game in order to play the game effectively and when and right now literally 70% of this country does not understand the rules of the game they plan with emotion and that's why we're so divided that's why we have this duality.

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And I just want people to wake up and learn the rules and be strategic we can have our opinion and we can have our feelings but when it's time to play the game baby it's time to play the game and we have to play to win.

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So we're going to always be behind.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and I totally agree with that so last question.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: What is your biggest fear about the the election?

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_05]: My biggest fear.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: My biggest fear is that we are going to repeat 2016 because of a non-participation of the people who should be coming out and increased participation of idiots who have been conned coming out because I don't know if people understand this but in 2016 it wasn't because more people wanted Donald Trump that he won.

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_05]: It was people in three specific state and Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. Michigan was constantly in Pennsylvania.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_05]: There across those three states only a hundred thousand votes that was the that's what he got he got like 40,000 in one state 30,000 in another 20,000 in another.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_05]: That's not even a whole stadium football stadium for the people you know in those states and it was more so because people were despondent and people did not participate.

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And I have eaten a lot of crow online, I have apologized numerous times I have taken my L because I was one of those people back in 2016 who was very anti-heillary Clinton.

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I've never seen it for Hillary Clinton, I did not necessarily like her. However, I voted for her but in the primarys and I believe you know I firmly believe I want to say this for the record.

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I firmly believe that anyone should be able to vote for anyone that they want to.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_05]: At the same time you have to recognize what is it stake and what game is being played and you have to move accordingly.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_05]: So during the primary I was very much again, Hillary and I was you know posting all the terrible means and doing it saying all the thing.

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And then when she won the primary I was like well I'm not going to vote for her but I'm not going to like it and I took every opportunity to say it like that.

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like I'm voting for her because we have to not because we want to and I feel terrible about that now because of what happened.

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I did not realize that you know that many people were going to stay home and I didn't realize that that many people had been fired up for Donald Trump in those other states.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was obvious that this man was a moron and he should be nowhere within 100 feet of the overall office.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_05]: So it wasn't even in my mind that this man was going to win and then when he did and we suffered so much like we lost family members we lost friends people died what people don't understand about COVID is that it took over a million Americans away from us.

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And a lot of people if you don't know anybody that guy from COVID will you know good for you.

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm glad that that's your story but that's not my story.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I lost family members. I lost friends. I watched people lose their children. I watched people lose their parents and at the end of the day it was all because of Trump.

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Donald Trump fired the pandemic response team that the Obama Biden administration put into effect in 2012 I think they made of because it was in a response to the swine flu.

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_05]: So they created an entire pandemic response team to keep our country safe in the case that a pandemic broke out and Donald Trump fired them in 2018.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And then two years later here we are recorded and now we lost a million people.

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_05]: That's more people that died than died in the civil war that's more human being in this country that died when they were fighting with bayonets and over slavery.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So when you put it in that perspective I was like, I'm not saying that my words made somebody stay home or made somebody vote for Trump instead what I'm saying is I was part of the problem and not the solution.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And so now I am definitely afraid that that's going to happen again because it's there's more there are more machinations and there's more money being poured into making that happen.

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I am definitely afraid of people not understanding what we need to do when November 5th gets here or even with the early voting.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm afraid that people don't understand they need to go and check their voter registration right now because there are states that are purging people off of the roles, namely black people because they don't want us to vote because again.

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_05]: What everybody on the hill knows is what every political poll star and political campaign person knows when you disrupt the black vote in this country, the Republicans can win.

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I am definitely afraid that my people are falling for the Okdoq.

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I am definitely afraid that if Donald Trump takes over he is going to do exactly what he said he's going to do he is going to do exactly what they've shown us they want to do.

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_05]: People weren't paying attention during the January 6th commission with the house when they were questioning them if anybody I will say that.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I know people think politics is boring but if you watch those January 6th trials that that stuff is like a soap opera that stuff is like a reality show it's so much nonsense that these people were doing and so much illegal activity that.

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't understand how half of them are even free still but then I do understand that our legal process moves slowly.

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_05]: So what I'm afraid of is Donald Trump getting back into the White House and then he's not going to have the same people around him that were around him from 2016 to 2020.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_05]: The only reason our country did not end up like Venezuela did not end up like one of these banana republics out here is because there were people in their Republicans in there who stopped him.

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Who said no this is illegal you can't do that he's not going to have those people next time he knows how to work around those people he's going to install people who don't care about law or who don't care about the rules or who will change the rules for him and we are people don't understand how bad it can get.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_05]: That is what I'm afraid of I'm afraid that we have raised an entire generation of people who have had convenient their entire lives so they don't understand the first thing about struggle.

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_05]: They don't know what's going on people who weren't adults in 2008 when we had that meltdown that economic meltdown that took people's houses away from them that took people's investments away from them that ruined people's retirement fund.

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I was an adult when that happened a lot of the people who were you know, like really get to come right now.

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_05]: These people are young they don't they weren't there they don't understand that all they know is that they've grown up with Barack Obama and Donald Trump that's all they know as president I am a child of the Reagan era.

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I know how bad it can get when legislation works against you in your community when legislation is targeted to mess with you in your community.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm from Louisiana I wasn't living there at the time but I knew about when Bobby Gindle took over our education system and decimated it.

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And that is now why Louisiana is at the bottom of education in this country.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_05]: You know I know how bad it can get and I'm afraid that a lot of people don't understand that they don't believe it can get that bad but you know I'm preparing I'll say that I told all my family members have your passports renewed and ready to go because if this man wins we got to get.

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get the heck on because it's not going to be nice it's he does not care about the rules he does not care about the constitution and he will legally oppress people in this country like as Japanese people who are 80 years old what it felt like to be in an internment camp on American soil.

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_05]: People forget that that happened and I'm just like are y'all nuts are y'all crazy they think that it's just going to be.

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Well the crazy orange man is in power again we survived them once we can survive them again a million people didn't survive them and more than a million will not the next time so.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I need people to vote I need and here's the thing prove me wrong that that's my favorite thing when I'm especially when I talk to a black man when they want to go back and forth I thought you know what.

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm improving wrong and you can't prove me wrong until you do what I ask you to do which is vote if you vote.

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_05]: In the general election if you vote in the midterms if we have a certain percentage of turnout and nothing changes then by all means I want 100% and mid to a right brother and I will admit that I'm wrong but I can't do it unless you vote so prove me wrong.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Go vote and see if it works or see if it doesn't work and if it doesn't work I will gladly be the first one to say I was wrong but I can't do that unless you prove me wrong and you got a vote to do that so.

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Well this is this has been a legendary interview I want to tell you.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what legendary.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: For my standards is on the podcast this has been a legendary interview and I'll tell you why because the time just went and you were making such salient points but I want people to be able to reach out to you and you know catch you on your on your various social media platforms so.

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead and tell people how they can get in touch with you how they can follow you on social media.

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay so on TikTok if you're a TikToker my handle is bell curve and it's bell be L L e like southern bill be L L e K you are V e curve with a K because and the reason why it's bell curve is because when I was younger I read that what I didn't read the whole thing but I did look about the bell curve.

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And how you know basically they were trying to say that black people were inherently less intelligent than everyone else so just like we we always take words and repurposed them for our own.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to take that and repurposed it from my own so that's why it's bell curve on TikTok and that's also my website the bell curve dot com you can also find me on Twitter now again Twitter is where I go to be ugly to people.

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_05]: So Twitter ever since Eagle musty took over Twitter get it turned into a dumpster fire so again if you don't if you want to see me in a positive light don't go to my Twitter please don't go to my Twitter because I I on least of that's my therapy.

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_05]: But if you are a person who can handle it my Twitter is VOT it's VOT H E A U X and that's also my website boat hold dot org.

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_05]: If you need voter resources there's a tab called important important resources you can go there and register to vote you can find different organizations that are doing voter education and civic duty things and sign up for those things.

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_05]: If you go to vote hold dot org and you can also buy a c-shirt if you want or whatever you like just vote hold dot org is that website and then I think that's it well in my Instagram my Instagram is it don't worry about Instagram but if you want to get my Instagram.

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't worry about that but if you go to my Twitter or my tiktok page I have my bio site link if you go to the link in my bio it has all my socials all my website and everything there so.

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_05]: If you can't remember anything just remember bell curve and then you can go to the little link in my bio and it'll lead you to all my social.

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Well killing night and huff I greatly appreciate it again I am honored to have had this discussion with you and.

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I look forward to anyone who asked me to be on their platforms so thank you for having me today we all in this thing together.

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes right we are all on his boat.

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: We we we need to keep it.

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Make sure it doesn't.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right that's right we got to the shore look thank you so much I again I'm honored and I greatly appreciate you taking the time today.

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for having me.

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: All right guys and we're going to catch all on the other side alright and we are back and so now.

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It is time for my next guest.

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Mara Quint.

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Mara Quint is the campaign in acting comes director for Americans for tax fairness and organization that seeks economic justice for all.

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_02]: She is also a comedy writer and contributor to publications such as the onion, the New Yorker and Max Weenies ladies and gentlemen.

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It is my distinct honor and privilege to have as a guest on this podcast Mara Quint.

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad I have a bit of a cold today so apologies if I'm coughing or sneezing over here.

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That's okay it's all right is that time of year the weather is changing in some parts I'm in Georgia so the weather never changes until.

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Jay where I February but you know just hot and muggy the whole time pretty much pretty much yeah it's like it's like it's in the 80s now so that oh it's getting cold really really the 80s is cold to you okay.

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway.

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really really honored to have you on one of the things I like about you from here and you on other interviews is the way you inject humor into your analysis about politics.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And you you I think it's you right for Max Weenies is it.

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a column there yeah and after that first debate with with Trump and Biden it was like it was like I watched it debate hopefully you didn't else like oh here we go.

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a tough one.

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That traumatized us all I think.

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it was pretty bad so I said I got to have her on and so normally I start off with a quote kind of a nice breaker so this is your quote.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Never ever trust a billionaire what is that quote meaning.

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's real straightforward I love it that's what should be on my business cards or t-shirts it's exactly exactly right look billionaires are a whole different sort of mentality of people I they are in a completely different world than we are so even if you think you're saying something very straightforward to them when it shifts through their wild craze.

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: The billionaire brain who knows what's coming out. Yeah, it is a good quote never trusted billionaire.

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and I you know I just watching.

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately I'm on X still but I do it primarily for the podcast and you know every day.

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I'm not a Elon saying something ridiculous and you know so I can't argue with your point.

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That's all.

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I am even though the dude Peter Thiel.

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it's it is a rogue's gallery.

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that actually sounds too cool.

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to call it a rogue's gallery.

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to elevate them like that.

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It is a losers you know closet is what it is but Elon Musk in particular.

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh I mean we watched him he was on Twitter on before he bought it and he was so constantly seeking approval and he really wanted people to think he was funny and cool.

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And no one would give him that satisfaction.

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So he had to like drain the banks of many various banks in order to buy the site to make everyone go yes or yes or you're very cool.

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's it's it is the saddest display I have I think ever seen.

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah well he supports a guy that kind of fits into that mold so it was growing up.

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like birds with feather you know.

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah first is very sad feather they I mean there they're the sort of people who just have so little going for them except for this idea that they can buy things they can buy people they can buy at a ration they can buy prestige and so.

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_01]: They run at it they just decide well I'll just see who I can give my money to who can make me feel better about myself and the rest of us are held hostage to their really.

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Desperate need for therapy and reconditioning.

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah well you know I the only thing I will say positive about that is that was my motivation to start this podcast.

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I tell people but the podcast is my therapy.

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know I told this story many times but when I was over driving here in Atlanta.

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like my phone would go off the Twitter and the customers will be asking what's going on with your phone I said that's just the president tweeting again.

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't worry about it. I'll deal with it and so I would read the tweet after I dropped somebody off and then I pull over in a park and I just start Vinnie.

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And when my roommate said you know you gotta put that on a podcast and see what happens and here I am five years later so that's about the only positive thing about those.

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the physical big in here is not I'll say that.

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I am very happy to see how many people have really found their voice and found their strength to stand up and oppose a lot of these individuals and what's happening.

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's been really an impressive thing we see so many movements that have started up in response and it's mostly people who you know they're just living their lives.

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: They were doing other things than they went you know what I got to say something and I think it is impressive every single time.

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So speaking about that, what got you involved in politics? How did you get engaged at this level?

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Well I came in the way everyone comes in through comedy writing. That's how they all go.

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I was just minding my own business telling jokes but as my jokes went they got a bit more political and I was friends with other people who were doing some political comedy writing.

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And really I came about once Trump was elected and the women's march started up a good friend of mine Frank Leser who was writing for the Colbert Report at the time.

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: He tweeted out that the next march should be on April 15 to demand that Donald Trump releases tax returns.

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said that's great and I hit REACH WEAT because that's the big way to boost that's the thing you do.

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And then that skyrocketed it went crazy people were really excited they were like yes yes this needs to be organized you need to do it.

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And they were all sort of directing this at Frank who was a very successful comedy writer so I at the time was doing non-profits and events and I was like do you want help?

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like yes please. So I jumped in there and started organizing these tax marches and we wound up having 200 marches across the country on April 15th, 2017.

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was 200,000 people came out and we're engaged on taxes and fair economy issues and we decided you know what?

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have this kind of momentum and excitement often. We need to keep this going and we kept tax march going and I joined in and headed tax march for several years so that's how I came in it very sideways matter but it worked out I like it.

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah you're not the only person I had a previous guest who was a writer in Hollywood and now she's got this organization that you know does massive efforts to organize and register people to vote.

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah so you know that point you were making about people being mobilized what's been happening now has has galvanized a lot of people.

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: In my case I was you know I've been a politician I've been elected before so the thing that drove me crazy was the fact that people always had to be on my A game to get where I wanted to be.

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And these people look like they just barely just showed up to class and now they're in the political spotlight so that was kind of my motivation to put this podcast out here.

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But let me ask you go ahead.

[01:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh I should say it's incredible what confidence and money can do.

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: They're propelling a lot of people into places that they should not position, they should not hold.

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to ask you I asked this of another guest so I'm going to ask you in a different way because of how you got into it why do you think humor is important in the political discourse.

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I could talk I mean how long did you want to talk to you and talk to the three days straight because I could go.

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I could do it this you know I'll lose my voice but you know bring me a cup of tea and we'll keep going.

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I there's so many reasons there are so many reasons I first of all.

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really upheld battle and it's likely going to take a lot of time and you're probably going to be hit down and punch down multiple times as you try to do it.

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And you need to keep going you can't give up just because you have a loss or things aren't working out.

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to keep persisting and persevering and pushing forward and not only doing that but bringing more people in all the time.

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: All of the sort of successful changes that have happened have been these movements that have grown successfully and brought more people in.

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know humor is something that brings people together you want to be where people are laughing you want to be where people are having fun so there's an element where it's important just for community building.

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_01]: For pushing forward issues I mean if we are having fun over here then people are like alright that seems like a cool place I could do that I mean so it's great for that.

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I also think humor is a really interesting like psychologically interesting I'm a total nerd apparently but you know when you look at how we communicate people walk in with their ideas already set so often they know what they think already.

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And the way humor works the way jokes work a lot of the times is to take you somewhere where you think you know where it's going you agree you're on board and then switch it up on you real quick.

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's usually what brings the laugh right this like unexpected thing that happens.

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's also this really rare moment where you can actually like potentially get a little tiny crack in someone's way of thinking because they were with you they're like yeah we're on board we did but yep.

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And then suddenly they have to think about it differently I think that is such a unique thing that we don't have the opportunity to do that often I'm not saying that like oh the perfect joke can change a person's mind but it can start to make you think.

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Other ways it can introduce new ideas that maybe you were hostile to when they were presented in the straightforward manner so I think it has this really cool opportunity to like.

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Reach people which I think is really great and I also think it is energizing and refreshing because there are people who have been in most of these fights from day one I mean there are people who've been doing this work.

[01:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Forever and it is so easy to get burnt out as well.

[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just so easy to go alright I've been thinking my head against the same wall and the walls not coming down it's not cracking there's nothing happened in here and I accept that my head hurts and I don't know that I want to keep doing that.

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And having humor is one of those moments where you can just pause it's like it can be like a cup of tea it can be like a soft place to sit for a moment right it can just be a moment to recharge and regroup and.

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And humor also often happens in community it usually happens with more than one person so it's a way to like get that energy from others and exchange that kind of energy and power and keep going.

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I humor is vital to me I think in doing this sort of work 100% yeah that's my short answer well you know and and I agree with that I'm not.

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I train comedian or anything like that but people people like it when I tell stories and if I can add some humor to that there was a gentleman I served with his name was David Green.

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was you know we being a middle this real serious debate and then he'll get up on the floor.

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And he'll start telling this story you know just you know and being a Mississippi at the time it was like you know it's one of those good old country boy stories and he was a black guy.

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But he could tell these stories man and get everybody laughing and stuff and then he'll get into the bill you know I'm saying he always he always had a snack for loosening up to tension.

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember I tried it one time and I looked around I said okay all right well we're going to miss you David and then I went ahead and presented the bill right.

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And people understood that was like a little tribute thing I tried to do but.

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that humor is really really vital just for our psyche just so we can stay focused in on what needs to be done give give our brain a little break.

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then get back to work and do whatever we got to do so that's why I really appreciate you know people like you that that are very intelligent when you because you have to be intelligent to talk about politics excuse me in a way that.

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it make people kind of laugh at themselves and not take themselves too seriously so when I see somebody like you come on or listen to you.

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really really refreshing and I greatly appreciate that you contribute to that.

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Well thank you I mean I'll sit here and be flattered all day you can even keep going if you just want to do that that works.

[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That's also very refreshing for me you know jokes or flattery.

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so now let's talk about some that hasn't been flattering.

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: What what your thoughts about the campaign does for this whole cycle.

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: With the drama with with Biden and and then Harris coming on board with Trump and and you know one minute he's getting shot at the next minute he's saying people are eating cats and dogs.

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean you know just what he give me a summation of I can look at this election.

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Well I mean it is just an overwhelming bummer that we are back in this spot with Trump as the nominee again and he excels in just living in this absolute hurricane of bullshit that he's constantly putting out this this cyclone of insanity and.

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Most of it is incredibly harmful dangerous terrible stuff he's putting out but he does it at such a volume that like no one can even necessarily catch up because every the next sentence out of his mouth is always you know more terrible in the last and more.

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: More awful than the last and this time he pulled in a buddy I mean last time he was running he you know he had a very sort of stayed correct you know head down sort of my president this time he's just like ah here.

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got you know a little sidekick that I can kick out there to say even more ridiculous things and to keep it going.

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And that has I think just made for it's absurd at this point it's ridiculous that this is our political cycle and pretty depressing but.

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I think on the the plus side and you know regardless of where I even necessarily fall on my president Harris's policies some of which I like so which I wish we're a little bit different.

[01:35:07] [SPEAKER_01]: She I think has proven to be a really fantastic candidate up against Trump because it's not easy to enter that world of absolute absurdity and get anything to really stick because he's he's so good at whipping everything up.

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And she is I think just fantastic at really being very clear being very direct speaking in ways that people understand and creating a very sort of calm but strong presence in.

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's certainly a couple as well when you compare a jade vads to a Tim walls I mean.

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like two sides of the same guy I mean you know in a lot of ways if I just describe them on paper.

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: They've got a lot sort of in common conceptual aces that Tim walls is like at least what we're seeing of Tim walls I don't know him personally but he's like everything you would hope that you know a person would be he just seems like an all around good guy every.

[01:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And the story that comes out is another one that he stopped and helped to kitten and he you know rescued a puppy from a tree and who knows what he's doing but it's like although you know distributing popcorn to neighborhood children I mean like it's.

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the sort of stories that you almost don't hear anymore that are so like heartening and wonderful.

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we counter that with jade events who's out here I mean he it's and this is nothing I don't want to joke about it he is cause tremendous harm to Springfield Ohio which is a state he represents and he is creating an absolute disaster there I mean he's putting so many people it risk.

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's not backing off at all he's enjoying so in this awful tension and discord and violence within that town and I mean that's it's like the absolute worst of humanity is what he is doing.

[01:37:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean it's it's a real clear opposition to me and I think that's nice to see and it's also terrifying that we don't know how the election will go that's it's scary when these are your two choices and we still have to go.

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh gosh I hope it works out.

[01:37:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's that that is the terrifying part somebody said that Trump and Pence was Batman and Alfred.

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And now now Trump and and Vance is Batman and Robin.

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's like where's it like that man and Joker team does well yeah that's true to.

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But Joker how he quint how you want to look at it I think that you know and then the analogy about him it just the first thing that came to my mind was like here's this dad.

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a bourbon dad who is you know he does everything right he's you know active member to rotary club you know he's involved with the PTA all this stuff and then he's got this son who was like.

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Dude I want to be like sons of anarchy you know what I'm saying it just that rebellious child.

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the why I look at walls and vans because like you said they come from similar backgrounds which makes me think that he'll be the energy.

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Was an accident right because the way that he's thrown his own constituents under the bus in the middle of him achieving something.

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he'll be the energy was supposed to be a tribute to his community I think it was a slap and he was intended to be a slap in his face.

[01:38:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But then Ron Howard got a hold to it and now it's like oh you know they elevated them you know what I'm saying.

[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah it was really unfortunate.

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so I don't I don't I mean I agree totally with what you're saying I just and that's that's part of my things so that's why I need to laugh.

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I get what I when I see that I get angry and I just I understand it but let's go on because I want to try to get to some of the other work that you're doing.

[01:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And tie that in with without discussion. But I do want to ask this question all right in 2016.

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_02]: 53% of white women voted for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you believe it will be different this time and why do you feel that it will be different.

[01:39:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it's a really hard question I mean obviously I hope it will be different.

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it will be different because I do think that going in I mean I certainly know we're gonna defend white women ever but I can go and in.

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there were a lot of women who thought they didn't think Trump would be as bad as he was.

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They thought he was just a lot of blaster but you know he's actually gonna not he's gonna govern a different way.

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And now we're looking at a world where we have states completely banning abortion.

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We have states that have completely shut down a woman's right to her own body and to make those choices.

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And we have people in a lot of pain in death even now.

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it is these policies are murderous policies.

[01:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that we have seen a lot of stories about that and I think that they're oh god.

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope they're at least some of these white women going okay that's not actually what I wanted that that was not the outcome that I hoped for.

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Even if the other outcomes I hope for were pretty shitty too I didn't want that one.

[01:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And and they may shift their vote.

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure.

[01:40:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that there has been a lot of mobilization.

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that there I think I have seen on the left quite a lot of white women feel an obligation where maybe they didn't see they had to do that before to step in and try and talk to their family.

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Trying talk to their friends, trying like just try and do that work of community building and like pulling some of these people back from the dark side.

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that effort is being made in a lot of places not everywhere but in a lot of places.

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the success will be you know some of these people are so they're just so far down these hate filled rabbit holes that like I don't know how to get them back at this point other than just flood the holes like I don't know what to do now, you know there's I don't know that we can drop a line and like pull them back out because they are really entrenched and they do not want.

[01:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: To come out they've invested so much of their own personal identity in this world that it is a really terrible psychic loss for them and I feel no pity but I'm not sure how to pull them back.

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So I hope we see a completely different number and I hope it isn't much better number, but I don't know.

[01:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm a little more optimistic about it. I just may have found it really optimistic and to me it's been about from my experience it's about acceptance and fitting in right.

[01:42:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like I remember when I was by first election that I got to vote for was her Watson in Chicago to be the first black mayor and it was like one of the cool things you could have as a young person because I'm of the generation where we used to have buttons on our clothes for everything right.

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That was our fashion accessory.

[01:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got buttons. Yeah. And so if you didn't have a hair wash it in button, you weren't in fashion right that was that was part of the deal and it was a big buy-in and it wasn't just in the black community it was city wide and he and he pulled it off and then the closest thing with the next thing I saw.

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was in the middle of that was the 2008 campaign with Obama and it was just like you go to university, Mississippi and at the front houses they got Obama banners and it was just like anything to had the Obama logo is like people were gravitating to it and it didn't matter.

[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of the feeling I'm getting with Harris, you know it's like because she is a joyful warrior as she self-subscribe as she is self-described and you know just the whole concept and then the debate I think really really laid it out there that moment when she pointed at Trump and said this and paused.

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And so when we're president it was like everybody could fill in the blank and that was that was a galvanizing moment and a lot of people.

[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know of course if joked about that but they could relate to that because that's how a lot of people wanted to address him so you know that's the reason why I'm optimistic and think that it's it's.

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's going to be a bigger victory is not going to be the landslide like Obama or like Reagan but it's going to be a bigger victory than Biden Trump I think because I think the American people have somebody that.

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: The majority of them can relate to and I navigate through all the noise especially in a black community where it's like they're saying well you know she says she's black but I don't know and that is that other and I just.

[01:45:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so I you know I think the majority of the people.

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Can relate to her and then her picking Tim walls.

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Was like a home run because it's like okay yeah if you if you still got some issues with me how about this guy and it's like oh yeah you know.

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He's America's dad so it's like okay cool yeah I am so happy that you're optimistic I love hearing that and I.

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Well let myself feel it I'm so you know traumatized from 2016 that I and I for two reasons one in 2016.

[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Right before the before the candidates were chosen I was in no way a Clinton supporter I had other candidates that I wildly preferred but once I came down to Clinton versus Trump.

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I was you know all in of course like between those two there's no question and I live in a swing state so I went out door knocking for Hillary Clinton and I had so many people.

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So excited just being like oh we're gonna win like they they guy just hugged me at the door and was like we're gonna win and it was such a wonderful feeling and I.

[01:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Carry that with me that that false hope you know of like oh no like I don't I don't want to be there again where I'm going oh my gosh why do I think that.

[01:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But the other is that for me personally and this is not true of everyone but for me personally here is a pretty decent motivator I'm definitely the sort of person who's like oh.

[01:46:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Do I need to hand that in right now or do I still have an hour you know like.

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll push things to to the limit so I don't want to be at the end of my night going well like a watch TV or I could.

[01:46:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You know do a little bit more to help out and go and it's fine we're gonna win I can watch TV like I know I need that little speck of like.

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I need that gripping the table like nope never ever stop being afraid so I'm glad you are optimistic and that will carry me.

[01:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm gonna sit over here being just a little bit scared.

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think that's part of my optimism too is because I think people because they were there they're scared of what happened.

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: In 2016 they don't want that to happen again. I think you know the enthusiasm is going to be matched with the level of activism that's what I've seen because I'm in a quarter-on-quote swing state too and so.

[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I think yeah I just I just I just feel I'm just looking at things.

[01:47:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know and just saying yeah I think we're gonna pull that off.

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But now I want to pick your brain about taxes.

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah Trump said if and I especially want to ask you this question Trump said if he is elected he will end the tax on tips and overtime.

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you believe him and what impact will it have if those taxes were eliminated?

[01:48:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Now before you answer I'm offended by this because 20 let's see this is 2024.

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So about 24 well longer than that.

[01:48:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah about 24 years ago I introduced legislation to eliminate the overtime tax in Mississippi and actually you know

[01:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I kept pushing the kept pushing and then Katrina happened so at least I got a vote on on the issue.

[01:48:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't prevail but at least it was out there and now I'm seeing this dude because he thinks he's losing.

[01:48:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Right now he's just throwing stuff on the wall and see if it'll stick and he's talking about all I'm going to eliminate the tax on overtime pay and stuff.

[01:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean when I ran for the US Senate I was campaigning on that and that was 2006 and 2008.

[01:49:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So what do you're so like I said I'm offended because he never even talked to me about it but what do you what do you think will happen if if if those.

[01:49:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm talking about tax breaks are given to working people.

[01:49:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well my guess is when you were running.

[01:49:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And do you believe that?

[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah well alright first off what I have seen of Trump and we've seen quite a lot of him unfortunately for many years is that everything he does is for the rich.

[01:49:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't do anything that does not have he can phrase it however he wants he can couch it and try and sell it however he wants.

[01:49:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It is going to be something that benefits the rich. That's that is what he has done that is what he will do. I have no reason to believe otherwise.

[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But I was also going to say in terms of you're having run on this as a tax policy that would have been a statewide tax policy.

[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_01]: My guess is you are also not concurrently being backed by project 2025 which really makes a big difference on this because running to eliminate overtime taxation pay.

[01:50:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So you know taxation on overtime pay is one thing but when you have in a manifesto that has been put forth by the very people that you are hiring into all of the places of power that you want.

[01:50:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Saying they are going to eliminate overtime for most workers suddenly you have a very different picture suddenly who's this for because most workers are not going to be able to take overtime.

[01:50:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they're pushing forward with project 2025 however.

[01:50:47] [SPEAKER_01]: What you do wind up with because you're doing it in the national federal level is you wind up creating more and more tax leopoles that the rich can exploit.

[01:50:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And you can do that on the tips and you can do that on the overtime because once you change the tax laws on this you are incentivizing a huge amount of very wealthy people to reclassify the money that they are getting.

[01:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no there's no charge this you know it's you can leave me a tip you know I'm your lawyer you can just tip me there's suddenly I don't have to pay on salary.

[01:51:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Suddenly my way the money you're giving me is tax free but if you are a worker if you are a regular employee you don't get to do that you're not in charge of that.

[01:51:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So you are now at the mercy of individuals who are going to be taking these tax loopholes and exploiting them that because there's all of this potential for exploitation of these tax loopholes.

[01:51:43] [SPEAKER_01]: You also then are looking at most likely a drop in revenue. So now there's less money coming in because you have more money going out to very rich and when it comes down to it.

[01:51:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Workers and working class people need help they do need help but if you wanted to set out to help them you would be talking about raising the minimum wage.

[01:52:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You would be talking about protecting unions you would be talking about things that directly impact.

[01:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You would not be talking about things that are mostly just massive tax holes for billionaires and then maybe I don't know somebody down here might get a penny or two.

[01:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You would be setting out to do things that are specifically designed to help workers to help small businesses and that's never what Trump is doing.

[01:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So talk about the impact breakdown the impact of the Trump tax cuts on average Americans.

[01:52:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know we hear about well you gave a tax cut for the wealthy and it's created as deficit and all that what is that mean to somebody like me just you know I put my head down go to work every day and come back and whatever.

[01:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: How does that tax cut for the wealthy harm or impact in some way average people.

[01:53:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So the tax cuts for the rich, the the that have been going on under Republican administrations for the last several decades including the 2017 Trump GOP tax law.

[01:53:26] [SPEAKER_01]: They have given away huge huge tax cuts to very rich people and they've done that.

[01:53:34] [SPEAKER_01]: They increase our debt.

[01:53:36] [SPEAKER_01]: They just take this money there's they're giving away money basically and then the very same politicians who have pushed through these tax cuts turn around and go.

[01:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The debt is too high.

[01:53:48] [SPEAKER_01]: We should we should raise the age of social security.

[01:53:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We should cut your Medicare and Medicaid.

[01:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We need to cut services.

[01:53:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We're spending government spending is out of control.

[01:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You people, you working people need to just stop being so greedy with all these things that you want.

[01:54:08] [SPEAKER_01]: When in reality the reason the debt is so high is because the money is actually going to billionaires.

[01:54:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So it is affecting us very directly because they are asking us to bank roll tax cuts to billionaires.

[01:54:22] [SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to take away our services and then give that money directly in the pocket.

[01:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they're trying to do.

[01:54:29] [SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to do it in this little slightly roundabout way but they've done it repeatedly.

[01:54:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same cycle over and over.

[01:54:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Tax cuts to billionaires.

[01:54:37] [SPEAKER_01]: They tell you it'll trickle down.

[01:54:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Then they tell you, oh, the debt is too high.

[01:54:40] [SPEAKER_01]: These tax cuts were the leading driver of the debt.

[01:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't mention that and then they say, oh, the debt is too high.

[01:54:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's cut your social security.

[01:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's directly impacts all of us and it is really, really disgusting once you see how blatant it is with their doing.

[01:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: When Vice President Harris says that Trump wants to impose a national sales tax on all Americans of up to $4,000 a year,

[01:55:10] [SPEAKER_02]: what does she mean?

[01:55:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure on that one but I assume it's the tariffs issue because he has been continually talking about how he's going to keep a cost down and that he's going to impose a bunch of tariffs.

[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But what happens when you impose these tariffs,

[01:55:30] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not that the CEOs of the companies go, oh well, I guess we can't buy that third yacht this year guys.

[01:55:36] [SPEAKER_01]: We have to take a little cake and that doesn't happen. They don't do that.

[01:55:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They say, oh, corn flakes now cost $2 extra.

[01:55:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you're trying to buy a mattress while that just went up in price.

[01:55:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what do you need your clothes?

[01:55:51] [SPEAKER_01]: There are more expensive.

[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything's more expensive to you the consumer and they continue to buy the third, fourth, fifth yacht.

[01:55:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They need to have a yacht and every continent, of course.

[01:56:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously I would never tell them they shouldn't do that.

[01:56:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, every so often maybe take a slight pay cut because you have excessive extreme wealth.

[01:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But instead they just keep trying to build higher and higher mountains of wealth that they wouldn't be able to spend in one lifetime.

[01:56:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I think it was you who said that if the very first human being.

[01:56:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love this one.

[01:56:25] [SPEAKER_02]: 100,000 years ago, very first human being said you know what whatever I make.

[01:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the first being I want to make you sure it's right though.

[01:56:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the first being from 180 so since we started calculating time.

[01:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so since the 20.

[01:56:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so just say 180 if that person said, okay, I'm going to start saving these coins or whatever they just started currency and they just are saving it.

[01:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like they couldn't, they still would not be as much money as Jeff Bezos.

[01:56:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, we're near there.

[01:56:59] [SPEAKER_01]: We're really billionaires and Jeff Bezos is a billionaire times I forget exactly 30.

[01:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many billions of dollars he has.

[01:57:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, if they started saving $1,000 every single day maybe it was you know to begin with a thousand dollars worth of

[01:57:21] [SPEAKER_01]: a thousand dollars every single day.

[01:57:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That's 365,000 dollars a year.

[01:57:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So just in one year they would be in the upper middle class right like that's more than most anybody makes.

[01:57:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So in one year they're already rich but if they did that every year for 2,000 and 24 years they would not be a billionaire.

[01:57:43] [SPEAKER_01]: They still would not have a billion dollars.

[01:57:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how insane how much money a billion is and people like Bezos and Musk they are not simple billionaires.

[01:57:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They have many, many billions of dollars.

[01:57:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They have that times however many I don't like I said it don't recall off the top of my head but it is staggering.

[01:58:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And Elon Musk is currently on track to become the first trillionaire.

[01:58:09] [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is like these are numbers we can't even comprehend.

[01:58:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I love those types of exercises because like you eat, it doesn't make sense.

[01:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: There's just words but these this amount of wealth is so out of hand and continuing to grow at these insane rates.

[01:58:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And so the fact that they put all of their time into being like no no we can't pay more taxes.

[01:58:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's obviously not true that they can't.

[01:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's obviously not true that they shouldn't.

[01:58:36] [SPEAKER_01]: They should.

[01:58:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They just don't want to.

[01:58:39] [SPEAKER_01]: They just like seeing that number change.

[01:58:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have any real impact on their lives at all.

[01:58:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It is I mean I think there's something it's like they've been running their head into a wall over and over repeatedly and something something got loose in there.

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not working the same way anymore.

[01:58:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean you know this is greed and so my my question in throwing that example out there.

[01:59:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Excuse me.

[01:59:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You had to want to worry about coffee.

[01:59:11] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[01:59:12] [SPEAKER_02]: What is the appeal of voting for a candidate who wants to give these people a tax break?

[01:59:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Why why is that even a viable political strategy?

[01:59:30] [SPEAKER_02]: To say well I'm going to give tax cuts to these these wealthy people that have money that none of us in a normal way could attain.

[01:59:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Why why does what is that work?

[01:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Why is that even a discussion?

[01:59:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there's a lot of reasons and many of them are sort of the culture that we grew up in.

[01:59:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there's and I forget who the person was.

[01:59:58] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a very long time ago, but set Americans do not consider themselves poor.

[02:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: They consider themselves temporarily embarrassed millionaires which is sort of a general ethos that we have.

[02:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: There's this thought of like well, but what if I'm rich?

[02:00:12] [SPEAKER_01]: What if I get rich?

[02:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Because we're told from day one that that could happen in America.

[02:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You can anybody can get rich and we're told it.

[02:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But not in the same way that we're told like anyone can win the lottery.

[02:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: We get a little more like yeah, but most people don't.

[02:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You're probably not getting your odds of winning the lottery or really stacked against you.

[02:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But we don't say that with you could get rich in America.

[02:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We say if you work hard then you'll be really rich.

[02:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So people have an internalized sense of well I work hard.

[02:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So this might impact me someday.

[02:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I should be thinking forward.

[02:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's partially that and then additionally because we say things like well if you if you're smart and you work hard,

[02:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: you could be really rich.

[02:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: We then internally a lot of times go oh well then the people who are richest must have worked the hardest and be the smartest.

[02:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: We make that connection and therefore they probably know what they're talking about.

[02:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: If they say this is going to hurt business it's probably going to hurt business.

[02:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: If they're telling me it's probably going to wreck jobs and I guess it's going to wreck jobs.

[02:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: They know more than I do there.

[02:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Look how much richer they are than me.

[02:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That must be how much smarter than they are than me.

[02:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We have that internalized sense too and all of that is utter garbage.

[02:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just garbage.

[02:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It is this sort of propaganda that we have created within our country.

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of it stems from like a place of good.

[02:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's good to have a sense of economic mobility and opportunity and hope and there are positive things there.

[02:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But it has ballooned into this belief that the richest no best.

[02:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And also I could be one of those rich people too and I think that that impacts a lot of people often.

[02:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to break free of that kind of internalized belief system.

[02:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So the reason why I'm asking you all these questions relating to taxes and stuff is because you work with an organization called Americans for tax fairness.

[02:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So talk a little bit about that organization because you kind of talked about the origin of it but talk a little bit about what this organization does.

[02:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess kind of to close it out how can people connect with that organization and then how people can connect with you.

[02:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: To talk to you further about things.

[02:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Americans for tax fairness is a organization that is a coalition of tons of organizations that are coming together to fight for tax fairness and to fight for a tax code that works for everyone.

[02:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Not just billionaires.

[02:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And so we do a lot of work trying to put out more information and connect people and groups together.

[02:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can go to our website at americansfortaxverinus.org and sign up on our mailing list.

[02:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: We send out information regularly.

[02:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And additionally, we often speak. We work with groups on the ground in states and local communities as well.

[02:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Who maybe want to have someone come talk to them a little bit more about the tax fight and what it means.

[02:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So happy to do anything really that will spread this kind of message.

[02:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And then people are also welcome to reach out to me as well.

[02:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm you can find me via the website of americans for tax fairness.

[02:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I am online pretty much everywhere that a person could be.

[02:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Marquint at most places and on Twitter or a few stickolitex.

[02:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still behind your back. I haven't account there, though. I don't use it regularly.

[02:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But people are welcome to contact me there as well.

[02:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Marra, it's it's it's again. It's been an honor to talk to you.

[02:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't going to ask you a question about your biggest fear about the campaign, but I think you've already kind of addressed that.

[02:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And since I got you in an optimistic mode, I don't want to pull you back into that.

[02:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But thank you.

[02:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But I really really am glad that one that you came on in two that I really appreciate your contribution, not just as far as dealing with your organization and and pulling together other groups to try to shape policy.

[02:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: dealing with taxes, but just your presence in offering us an opportunity to smile at this chaos and to take a moment to laugh at ourselves.

[02:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's invaluable and I wish you much success and encourage you to continue to do what you're doing because we need that.

[02:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much. I really appreciate that and thanks so much for having me on.

[02:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright guys, we're going to catch all on the other side.

[02:05:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, we are back. Hope y'all still hanging with me.

[02:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: As I stated, this is going to be a bonus episode.

[02:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So the bonus is that we're going to have the moment with Eric Fleming law firm, or Pearson in Pearson on.

[02:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. Dr. Tracy Air Pearson who you hear on tell me everything with John Fougle saying, which is on serious XM.

[02:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: A series XM progress 127 and the honorable Melba Pearson who has her Mondays with Melba Web show and her podcast, the regular legal diva.

[02:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm honored to have another episode of Pearson in Pearson for y'all.

[02:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And we were supposed to be talking about the results of the sin and sing with Donald Trump.

[02:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Since that did not happen, we'll get into why that didn't happen in some other things, but ladies and gentlemen,

[02:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: as might as stank to honor and privilege to have another installment of Pearson in Pearson.

[02:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we are treated with another installment of the, a moment with Eric Fleming podcast law firm

[02:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: of Pearson in Pearson.

[02:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I was sitting there thinking I said, now would I get into any legal trouble to say there a law firm by itself or whatever side throw it up?

[02:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I throw all that in just to make sure I'm not uncovered.

[02:07:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder why he said, you can't so you're the up and you know, how y'all ladies do a y'all do it okay?

[02:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So we're here.

[02:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so I have Dr. Tracy A. Pearson and Melba Pearson and they're both very, very competent attorneys and media loves them and I am honored that they take the time to come on my little podcast and share their legal knowledge with y'all.

[02:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And let's go ahead. Well, first of all, well, y'all said y'all doing I but I y'all really doing alright because this election thing has been like crazy right?

[02:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just been oh my god we got dogs eating cats and in the,

[02:08:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just going to say that's just to go with it which is like a whole other.

[02:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was, I thought it was bad when we started with eyeliner, you know and then we got to the dog's eating cats and then you know and then there was, you know, whether there was an assassination attempt or not and then there was guys hiding in bushes.

[02:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I just you know at this point, I'm willing to believe like anything could happen.

[02:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm willing to believe that you know pigs will fall from the sky.

[02:08:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't have any idea you know how we get through this because I am I'm still back at what happened to Joe Biden.

[02:08:42] [SPEAKER_00]: What he's finding.

[02:08:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm I'm looking on a couple of cameras but but what happened to Joe Biden?

[02:08:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah I mean I think it's the reality is he and there's some ways bought himself and all of us some time in terms of the fact that he was campaigning during COVID from his basement in Delaware.

[02:09:04] [SPEAKER_06]: So none of us I think really got to see in real time that he was aging like like all of us right?

[02:09:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I certainly don't look the same way I did four years ago.

[02:09:13] [SPEAKER_06]: But you know it's just kind of situation where we would have been more normalized if you were seeing him on a constant basis between 2020 and 2024 and we really weren't.

[02:09:25] [SPEAKER_06]: So all of a sudden when boom these back on the campaign trail we're like oh, oh, oh and it was so shocking and I think then you know the port to bait performance and it just created this groundswell we're all of a sudden you know here's where we are but I'm very excited about comola.

[02:09:42] [SPEAKER_06]: And the way that she has been able to unite so many different groups I mean last night was the amazing rally with Oprah Winfrey online and you had you know white dudes for Harris and white women answered the call and out for Harris and I mean when you see that organizing to the level that's almost it's just so granular where you have like the sweeties for Harris the child was cat ladies for Harris yeah that be me.

[02:10:09] [SPEAKER_06]: You know but to see that level of excitement to me lens itself to a very exciting election and when people turn out that's just better for democracy.

[02:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: See I love what you said I and again I support comola Harris my thing was look when you're sick and you can't get out of a debate you can't get out of a debate you just got to keep going forward and I think that the media groundswell it was the media groundswell

[02:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: that caused this and that really bothers me because they can do it once they can do it again.

[02:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But when it comes to to the you know I'm happy to see the various contingencies forming but where my real concern is is that we don't we don't win elections based on on those contingencies or those little groups we we we in elections based on states and that's where you know the biggest concern is for me right now is is we got to we got to start organizing state.

[02:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I think I think that um you know from my experience I think that's going to happen doc I think that the enthusiasm plus the memories of 2016 is that the enthusiasm and activism are going to match this particular time and I think it's going to be an incredible thing.

[02:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's going to be a landslide like Obama or Reagan but I do think that is it's going to be of a margin that all the pundits are going to be like wow she really kicked his butt but you know.

[02:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's just me you know I'm you know I'm just doing a little podcast in Atlanta you know I'm saying I don't know.

[02:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway.

[02:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But look let's let's get into it because we're talking about the the other guy.

[02:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And the former president and the main reason why we were all supposed to get together was we were supposed to analyze the sentence thing that was supposed to happen on the 18th of September.

[02:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And judge Martian decided I don't want to give the appearance of being political so I'm going to push it back and so he decided to push it back to.

[02:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess what the Tuesday before Thanksgiving yeah that's that's a great time so what he out what he all think about the judge making that decision.

[02:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Mel, but you have you done defense work I know you've done prostate prostate pictorial work have you done the fence work as well.

[02:12:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not a defense attorney per se but I have advised on defense cases.

[02:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so in and doc have you you haven't done the fence stuff have you.

[02:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: No I was a defense lawyer right I did defense and plane of work okay.

[02:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah I think it was a good decision it was a smart decision it was a decision that took it out of the hands of the Supreme Court before the election.

[02:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so as much as we want to see the justice system go forward and move forward.

[02:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: We also have an election that's pending and we don't want a decision made by a judge.

[02:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That is important and then I have some thoughts about that but that is important to impact this election one way or the other.

[02:13:39] [SPEAKER_06]: It's just so eyes kind of like that whole shifting goal post type of situation right so there's always this fear like.

[02:13:45] [SPEAKER_06]: For instance I believe it was in 2016 when the the combi memo that dropped and basically was pointed to as one of the reasons why I Hillary Clinton lost the election.

[02:13:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like okay you know the former president gets this grace but at the same token Hillary Clinton didn't get that grace too right and the grant is slightly different situation because with Hillary Clinton was more of a memo.

[02:14:11] [SPEAKER_06]: But you know again there was somebody opining from the criminal justice system as to you know guilt or innocent or you know basically should charges be filed and center etc.

[02:14:22] [SPEAKER_06]: You know again it's that October surprise that ended up harming her campaign so.

[02:14:29] [SPEAKER_06]: I get it from the perspective that we don't clearly we don't want to have the appearance of you know trying to come down on one side or the other but at the same token.

[02:14:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it is important for the American public to see that justice should be made out the same for everyone and no one is above the law and if it was ray ray from around the way guess what he had been sentenced within three months of his conviction period end of story and so now 45 gets the privilege of not having to go.

[02:14:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I think we're a public you know satencing and you know in advance of the election and at the end of the day everybody knows he was convicted like that because it's not a secret like he was tried and you you know regardless of what the sentence of being.

[02:15:12] [SPEAKER_06]: You either are going to truly believe that he was this was a frame up conspiracy or you're going to believe that this was a right and just conviction.

[02:15:20] [SPEAKER_06]: The sentence is not going to change the opinion I think one way or the other so.

[02:15:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm kind of torn as my points.

[02:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that from from my perspective that the sent you right he was convicted and that's where I am he was convicted of 34 counts I mean end of story.

[02:15:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But you're right in wanting to see justice meet it out the same way it would be for any one of us but I think that the other piece of this is that it may be a tealief it may not be.

[02:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: He is holding it off to the after the election and I happen to know that in the York when a sentence is issued from the state court it is stand committed time so they are taken into custody at that moment.

[02:16:02] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't get to come back like they do in federal court you know at a later date and report to the bureau of prisons they are taken into custody on that day.

[02:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: In that moment but that sentence is me did out and so I feel like I have a little bit of hope here that based on my reading of the fact he's absolutely an and the sentences that have been given prior in various cases related to these charges.

[02:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: That there is some hope here that he will be incarcerated.

[02:16:31] [SPEAKER_06]: My hope as well.

[02:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah well that makes three of us so that kind of leads me to the follow up real quick.

[02:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I guess we can answer that we hope that he's going to be incarcerated but do we really think that we.

[02:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Does does the teful on magic continue does he just get an ankle bracelet or does he actually you know get to spend some time behind bars what what what he all for.

[02:17:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's actually going to do some time regardless of the results of the election.

[02:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I never predict anything if you know me from being on media and I've pushed into these situations not that you're pushing me out.

[02:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But I I never predict what I will say is that my based on my reading of the facts and my knowledge of the way the New York court system works.

[02:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I went to school in Syracuse, New York and at law school in Syracuse, New York and the law work in the New York court system that they don't play.

[02:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't mess around the tend to be straightforward when it comes to things like this and based on the charges.

[02:17:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And based on prior sentences people who have cooperated and played guilty get probation they get community service.

[02:17:51] [SPEAKER_00]: People who don't do that serve time that's what the history of these charges shows based on the convictions that we've seen.

[02:18:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So if history means anything the court is going to issue a sentence how long that sentence is is really a question it could be up to four years.

[02:18:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And if I had to guess not predict but yes, you know I'm I was thinking along the same lines just because of the volume of the charges and all of that.

[02:18:24] [SPEAKER_06]: What my concern is why I'm big and very clear in it ring with Tracy that you know this is a guess is that he's there weren't not doing anything based on history where we're sort of like an unsharded territory we've never had a former president be convicted.

[02:18:38] [SPEAKER_06]: And there even be a debate as to whether or not you know you should be going to prison usually it's a matter of you think about Nixon and how to avoid impeachment you know hands of the basically resigning.

[02:18:51] [SPEAKER_06]: And so we're more used to wrongdoing in that context not seeing a former president actually be sentenced.

[02:18:59] [SPEAKER_06]: So you know we're completely uncharted territory if I had to guess I could see something of 18 months to two years.

[02:19:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't necessarily seem to be more but you know anything anything is possible.

[02:19:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Well and the other thing is that we don't know what the prosecutors recommended at least I don't I haven't seen his his recommendation.

[02:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And that is going to matter significantly if the we put a lot of weight on the judge with the judges going to do but the prosecutor hasn't hasn't weighed in as far as I know and so if he recommends jail time.

[02:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You know typically in my experience the court is going to give difference to the prosecution.

[02:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You know I do think we're here and there but but in there's some other cases out there where that hasn't happened.

[02:19:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But here you know I would expect that the court would would at least give some difference to to the prosecutions recommendation so that to them.

[02:19:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And I would expect that the prosecution would be asking for incarceration.

[02:20:01] [SPEAKER_06]: There's no universe where I see that would be asking for that.

[02:20:04] [SPEAKER_06]: The question is you know is the judge going to split the baby and say okay you've asked for the max defense wants probation.

[02:20:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm giving two years or again because of the political ramifications you know maybe it's a year of how suppressed followed by because I don't have to think about the security aspect.

[02:20:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Because we've never had a president go to prison so now secret service is going to literally have to sort of time with him because you know there's enough trouble trying to keep him safe because he wants to change his mind as to where he wants to go.

[02:20:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Certainly you can't have a general population prison so you know that there's going to be that logistical aspect and that's my concern in terms of you know maybe differing and not doing a prison sentence because of concerns with regard to security.

[02:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: See I'm not concerned about the security at all.

[02:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I you know the secret service can put a park a car outside and and you know he can put in be put in the secured housing unit in an individual cell and put an agent outside that cell.

[02:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's that's where he'll be or I think James Pomey even talked about this they can put a trailer at the end of the yard and that's where he can be and they can put secret service out there under intent.

[02:21:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And he'll be all set it's it's you know I he can certainly can serve in general population but he absolutely can serve and secret service will make do they that they work with folks all the time on on you know not this type of thing but work with law enforcement all the time.

[02:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah with you know.

[02:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: The Trump Trump is crazy enough he probably would want to be in general population right or they can they can get them they yeah that's right they all love you.

[02:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Or you know or they they can they can give him a mic Tyson treatment because like you know my Tyson they stuck him in a in a juvenile detention place instead of regular jail in Indiana so it.

[02:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Which you know would be probably appropriate form to but anyway all right we and he let's kind of since we're still in New York state let's talk about.

[02:22:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Diddy mr. Sean comes so.

[02:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Next to the former president right look we you know that's that's looked the internet is undefeated they've already got it all mapped out.

[02:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So they taught my transfer in our Kelly to it's it's crazy but now on a serious note what the streets are saying.

[02:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay yeah Sean probably did all that stuff if the feds put a case out there he probably did all that stuff right.

[02:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But now the streets are saying Donald Trump is allowed to run for president.

[02:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And Sean said here's my passport.

[02:22:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I only need to go to my home in New York I'm not even gonna go to home in LA.

[02:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna go to the one in New York and the one in Florida.

[02:23:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And here's all my guns outside of the ones that y'all confiscated.

[02:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh let me go home and the judge said no because they felt that he was still a threat so.

[02:23:21] [SPEAKER_02]: The the question that the streets need answered from from legal minds is is it because there's a federal case as opposed to a state case why they're taking that that step or.

[02:23:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it really a belief that because I think Sean comes as more money to Donald Trump I do.

[02:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know it is what it is but you know why is why is he being treated differently than Donald Trump.

[02:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh I have an answer.

[02:23:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay dog.

[02:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the answer because the fact is that he engaged allegedly okay it's the only time I'm saying allegedly allegedly in.

[02:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And a conduct that is so egregious that it it boggles the mind why he hadn't been indicted sooner.

[02:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And the devastation that he re assuming that the conduct is true.

[02:24:33] [SPEAKER_00]: The time he faces a significant and he is a danger to the community based on witness potential witness tampering given the allegations of the.

[02:24:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So he wouldn't be charged with any crimes and he should be sitting pending trial.

[02:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: They can assure the safety of the community and I'm assuming they can assure that he'll be at trial but if that's not necessarily true because he did take off at one point I think down somewhere down to Florida.

[02:25:07] [SPEAKER_00]: When there was some stuff going on I think might have had to do with the search but in any event Donald Trump allegedly well we've seen the pictures took classified documents and he obtained them and he didn't give them over and he was asked and asked and asked and asked and as a.

[02:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And as he was given every opportunity to just hand this stuff over and that's a danger to our national security and he is not.

[02:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Is sitting in jail waiting for all because he's got stuff to tell people assuming that his little Bible mind remembers it accurately.

[02:25:41] [SPEAKER_00]: He's he's got stuff to tell that can hurt our nation and can empower dictators and he's not sitting in jail so the only thing I can come up with is.

[02:25:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Sean is black that's what it's like.

[02:25:57] [SPEAKER_06]: So you know.

[02:26:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Ironically.

[02:26:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to slightly disagree on that not not just well first of all I'm going to agree that Sean pd points is black yeah.

[02:26:11] [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't want I don't necessarily think the reason why he's being held here is solely because of race not say race is not play a role in this of course but I think it's more so the danger to the community because you know as use you stated Tracy his crimes all occurred behind closed doors and his crimes were all.

[02:26:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Based on that fear and silence the keeping everything under wraps whether it's through coercion whether it's through money and bribery whether it's through force.

[02:26:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Whether it's through leverage over someone's career and you know the second he hit the street he'd be trying to you know witness tamper every single one and be like listen if you don't show up for trial if you recant your statement I'll give you a million dollars or I'll give you 30 billion dollars.

[02:27:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Or whatever the case may be so he is definitely a danger not just in terms of the flight risk I'm not as worried about that because again unless he's going to go somewhere like bond style and get you know plastic surgery folks are going to be able to find right like there's no place he's going to be able to go and hide where folks aren't going to know who he is and and be able to find him very quickly.

[02:27:20] [SPEAKER_06]: But the concern for me is more of the safety of the survivors and the witnesses and making sure that he doesn't you know start finding other or other people that we haven't found out about yet starting to terminating them so they don't come forward and you know prevent additional charges from coming from coming to light so that I think it was a right call for him to stay in custody.

[02:27:42] [SPEAKER_06]: However in comparing him to number 45 the concern there is that there was just as I mentioned before so much deaferance because he's a former president he's running for president we've never had this playbook before and everyone is so scared of getting it wrong.

[02:28:00] [SPEAKER_06]: That they're like okay hands off I'd rather not do anything I'd rather bend over backwards and give him more rather than somehow beyond the wrong side of this or be called out by the US Supreme Court or something along those lines so I think the fear of his position.

[02:28:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Is what resulted in him being able to have for different cases pending and be out of custody.

[02:28:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you know and again I respect your viewpoints because y'all actually went to law school I just got accepted and then walked the other way.

[02:28:34] [SPEAKER_00]: What is this smart one.

[02:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: What the book things but.

[02:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: What from my that I have a unique experience in dealing when I work with foot and counting sheriff because I was with the sheriff's office when young thug got arrested and the whole YSL crew and there was more mayhem with them being in jail than it was if they had bonded out.

[02:29:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it was like you know if I had to testify I'd say they did it and he said we're fliming that you see anything no but I'm watching what they were doing in the jail.

[02:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So fortunately for me I had great detail I had hospital detail, but not really fortunate because I was dealing with the aftermath is like these guys were in and trying to initiate people.

[02:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And beating them up and extorting them for their commissary and all that stuff and it was it it turned into.

[02:29:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And so you know we're looking at when you are going with these folks on trial how long is it going to take to get these guys.

[02:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So we can get it in the shuttle program with them to keep them out of the sales for like hours at a time, you know I'm saying because the longer they were in there and I'm thinking with.

[02:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: With Sean situation it's like the tamper in because of his influence right.

[02:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to happen anyway whether Trump was in jail or not or or coms in jail and not as far as the witnesses go they have supporters they have true believers fans.

[02:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're going to do that tamper and stuff.

[02:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: To me and and I think you know he is a rapper he's not like Trump trying to sell go shoes anything he actually is a rapper.

[02:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So he actually does have people that will be in the jail that are fans and I don't know what kind of chaos that's going to have.

[02:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You understand what I'm saying I'm not saying that criminal should walk free.

[02:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You know because there's status but it's like if you were going to give difference to a guy running for president.

[02:30:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like that a guy who basically is one of the top music industry moguls right he's he's his status in the culture is just as popular if not more popular right.

[02:31:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You know I mean to me I mean all those things have to be weighed in and I'm kind of leaning with Dr. Tracy I think the the race thing played more of an instance because it was like the way.

[02:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The judge was talking in stuff you know you did this and blah blah it's like.

[02:31:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know I get the guns and all that but the thousand bottles of baby oil I don't know if he's that much of a threat or not if I mean.

[02:31:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I just.

[02:31:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I can see.

[02:31:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Like you can see the video.

[02:31:37] [SPEAKER_06]: You can see from one side of that hotel to the other yeah I got that yeah I got that part but I'm just yeah.

[02:31:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think either of them should have gotten deferences my thing I like I'm not saying that you know the 45 should have gotten different no he should not have gotten deference he should have been campaigning from a jail sale same way.

[02:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like Eugene Debs we actually have a presidential campaign candidate run for president in jail and he got over a million votes just a historical reference.

[02:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's an interesting.

[02:32:09] [SPEAKER_00]: That's nuts.

[02:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's an interesting piece to this which is that that Sean in fact yes rapper yes but I hear what you're saying about the jail but he he is of the Hollywood community and what I when I started to think about this case started to think about these white parties that he would throw.

[02:32:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And all of these events and all of the celebrities that would attend these events and then it was almost as if I thought about it the picture started to make their way out from the onto the internet.

[02:32:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Of people like J. Lo being at these parties and I think when we think about sort of the threat that he poses.

[02:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: There are people in Hollywood that know about this just like there were people that knew about whitestein.

[02:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And the prosecution right now is either cut in deals or interviewing and I think that that once you've been indicted by the feds they've got your done to rights.

[02:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's very very hard to sneak out from underneath that unless of course you know you're given difference in in terms of 45 but when when I think about this I don't think about sort of like straight characters here I think about Hollywood models that know that this was a good thing.

[02:33:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's going on and how much information do they have and how much information do I want to get and how many people do I want to flip and secure deals so that we can.

[02:33:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean we haven't seen people like J. Lo and whatever coming in and out of courthouses for grand jeuries so how many people are they do they have at their disposal to long-up this case.

[02:33:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that you know may figure into it more than more than you know a concern that he's going to have another party and drugs and people.

[02:34:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And rape them but I think that that for here you know I do think that there's a racetrack if we were to put Obama president Obama okay which is the almost it is completely unthinkable okay that he would ever do anything even remotely conceivable of what 45 has done.

[02:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And we put those those together and if president Obama was the person president Obama be sitting in jail okay this is me as a white person I'm saying that okay he'd be sitting in jail because that's the system that's the way the system works I don't think you began the difference.

[02:34:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean they're still arguing about where he was born so and a few have heard me on series XM the first thing John people saying says on his show and somebody calls about about and and he spots a racist he says where was a president Obama born.

[02:34:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's still out there so and they've been doing it with comilliris as well but I do think that that figured into it but I also think that the Hollywood connection figured into it and you know they've got a little experience I think about at least a judicial system as a whole of dealing with people like Harvey whencing.

[02:35:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And and sort of similar types of conduct.

[02:35:17] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think that the issue here is what's good for the goose isn't always good for the game right so again I stand on my original point I think that both of them should have been held no bond period end of story right.

[02:35:29] [SPEAKER_06]: But again in looking at the uncharted territory of a president being in the criminal justice system nobody knew how to nobody knew how to hand right so you know.

[02:35:44] [SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of hard because you have to divorce that from everything else if it was you know now for comparing Harvey Weinstein to to you know to did he.

[02:35:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay well Harvey Weinstein was able to be home right he wasn't held beforehand now if you're giving the apples to apples on that yes that was completely about race because they are literally charged with the same types of activities.

[02:36:08] [SPEAKER_06]: They did the same types of things they perpetrated the same types of farms use the same types of tactics to keep people silent for decades so right there apple that's race.

[02:36:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Well seen he's but between 45 I think there's another layer that we have to consider which is why I'm kind of.

[02:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah well Bill I'm I'm the other say this is like see he didn't use.

[02:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: John and I don't want him to get illness let alone fake one but it's like you know Bill Cosby all of a sudden couldn't see Harvey Weinstein couldn't walk all of a sudden he was like it was like the day before they got invited or arrested.

[02:36:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He's yoga's out doing shows they out having meetings they do it every day and then.

[02:36:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Next thing I see Harvey Weinstein he walked a little walker so you know maybe maybe the chance that came in with a cane or something I don't know but anyway.

[02:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Well we'll we'll we'll leave it.

[02:37:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Well let's go be there's thank you suicidal now and has to be on suicide.

[02:37:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Well not not joking matter but you know.

[02:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so that means he's not be wearing the green turtle ninja turtle outfit and stuff oh my god okay.

[02:37:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And he said he's an attirable it means it a very terrible facility it's a facility that that has some serious issues when it comes to just physical facility.

[02:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean if the thing when Epstein was in right.

[02:37:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure I think that's the federal facility where Epstein was.

[02:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope there's another one I mean New York is big so hopefully it is more than one but I'm just.

[02:37:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah yeah I mean he's obviously he's probably and he's in you know the shoe and he is you know he would typically be on suicide watch in New York if he was in solitary confinement under these circumstances.

[02:37:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that yeah I mean when I looked at the the allegations I read it first of all I've I've said this before.

[02:38:08] [SPEAKER_00]: This is probably the most if you can say this about an indictment a most beautifully written indictment that I've ever seen it was clear it was crisp it was it was concise and 14 pages my printer loved it and.

[02:38:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And the way the charges are stacked are it was very well thought out a lot of care was put into this and they are seeking sentence enhancement here which which is going to get you know net him potentially you know at the very most you know 25 years if it's consecutive rather if it's concurrent or.

[02:38:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But 30 35 years if it is consecutive if he were to be convicted on the underlying predicate offenses as well and they would sort of dump the the reco sentence which is 20 years ago with the larger sentence it is it is enormous and they're seeking for feature.

[02:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And they've pled for feature so they want all of his property in assets.

[02:39:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's going to be selling all of everything out right yeah it's it's going to be devastating to them and like you said.

[02:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: When the phares usually lock in on you it's it's never never good situation alright so let's let's get over that and there's a couple other topics I wanted to get into one.

[02:39:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's deal with a lies in the claim first because I've actually had somebody that's going to be on this podcast.

[02:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They sent me a quote from the McLean family so they lies in the claim situation young man and a rural Colorado gets stopped by the police for no reason.

[02:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: He he starts hyperventilating all the stuff he's he's going through a police did some things to him and then he ended up in.

[02:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: An ambulance and in the paramedics gave him ketamine.

[02:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And they gave him too much because he only weighed like 145 pounds and they said that they're not they gave him was like for somebody 185 to 200 pounds.

[02:40:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So after three days he died and it didn't catch an edge it happened in 2019 it didn't catch national attention until the summer 2020.

[02:40:22] [SPEAKER_02]: When all those other tries these were taking place and so the judge who sentenced to paramedic to actually stuck the needle in.

[02:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: He gave that guy five years but now the judge has come back and said after I think in Colorado is some kind of provision after three two three months.

[02:40:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The judge can reverse the decision and you know and change the sentence so he he changed the sentence from five years in prison to now four years in some change probation.

[02:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of explain how that goes in.

[02:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel about that.

[02:41:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I would say that that's not normal.

[02:41:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Now I practice in Florida and there's always the opportunity if let's say one of file emotion for post conviction relief meaning you've been convicted of trial but there was a problem with your case so maybe the judge didn't follow the law or maybe your attorney was.

[02:41:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Did it interview some alibi witnesses that you had and didn't properly prepare your case or things like that or maybe you've done certain things and like for instance you've gotten your GED went to rehab.

[02:41:43] [SPEAKER_06]: And then now you want to petition the court for reduction in in your sentence, you know there's that avenue but it's not sort of an automatic mechanism like it sounds like it is in Colorado.

[02:41:52] [SPEAKER_06]: So that does not seem to be a very common avenue that that defendants have usually you know you get convicted and that's it and unless an appellate court meaning your court goes to the your case goes to the court of appeals.

[02:42:07] [SPEAKER_06]: They find some problems they end up overturning it then you may end up getting resetting as a result of that happening.

[02:42:13] [SPEAKER_06]: So I think here that this was a slap in the face to the memory of Elijah McLean and to his family as well as a slap in the face of the community who waited so long for justice finally sees.

[02:42:27] [SPEAKER_06]: You know this person get convicted for killing Elijah McLean and now it's like well.

[02:42:32] [SPEAKER_06]: We got to have lunch at the prison now you can go back home but like Elijah McLean's family is never going to be able to see him again and there was no reason for him not to still be with us.

[02:42:44] [SPEAKER_06]: So I think that the judge was dead wrong on that and yeah that was.

[02:42:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I would happen to agree with the fact that he was dead wrong. I mean the purpose of of sentencing the criminal system generally is is to is punishment for a conduct and it is deterrence so to prevent it from happening again.

[02:43:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that is extraordinary the a paramedic would inject anything in anyone.

[02:43:13] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not doctors they can mean as a very dangerous drug.

[02:43:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You know it they they they they if I remember correctly started as a force tranquilizer and so we're now using it on people and I think of Matthew Perry who is getting it off and you know from people off the street by.

[02:43:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Is personal aids.

[02:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But he had been in treatment which was approved and then apparently became addicted to that.

[02:43:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's a dangerous drug and we've got paramedics apparently running around with syringes at this stuff and we have to trust their judgment on whether they've given the correct amount without knowing the person's medical history or what medications they could be on or I've taken that day.

[02:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: That to me is screams screams for deterrence.

[02:44:06] [SPEAKER_00]: It screams for punishment because that means you can't trust a paramedic and you should be able to trust the people that are supposed to be helpers there's supposed to be the first responders you know and I think about 911 because we've just passed that anniversary and and the first responders that came to this scene to try to rescue any survivors.

[02:44:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And how much.

[02:44:29] [SPEAKER_00]: How much respect that we had for those folks and then you see people like this who murder someone and it was murder it wasn't an accident was murder.

[02:44:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And you have a jury that made a decision and those people believed in the decision and thought that justice would be made it out.

[02:44:50] [SPEAKER_00]: They aren't responsible for the sentence but they believe the judge would do the right thing and then you have a community and you have a family and then you have the rest of us and I think that what that judge did was a travesty.

[02:45:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I am familiar with sentence review in the jurisdiction that I used to practice and which is in the Northeast.

[02:45:09] [SPEAKER_00]: We had a process where you could have and you'd have an sentence review but it was it was dicey if you asked for a sentence review after a conviction they could go up or they could go down.

[02:45:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And so this type of thing when I looked at some of the information and talked about well it was an extraordinary circumstance.

[02:45:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what was so extraordinary about it.

[02:45:32] [SPEAKER_00]: He was he was arrested for nothing but also he the judge said talked about the person's post social you know background and and his you know good deeds and all sorts of things and I just think that was grasping for straws.

[02:45:50] [SPEAKER_00]: What happened here was wrong. He bowed to political pressure.

[02:45:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I also think that the person the other person should have gotten jail time.

[02:46:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That person did not stop the paramedic from injecting him with the medication and so he is as liable in my mind as the person who did it.

[02:46:11] [SPEAKER_00]: When you see somebody doing something wrong to a human being like that, you pull off of them and you do whatever you can to rescue them.

[02:46:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And and I just I find the whole thing frightening.

[02:46:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And so you know I'm afraid that it's going to happen again and it probably will.

[02:46:28] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's and that's the thing that whole deterrence piece because again we have gotten to the point where you know we have body camp footage.

[02:46:37] [SPEAKER_06]: We have all these different tools that we've been able to use in order to get accountability when especially unarmed brown black people get murdered by state actors.

[02:46:47] [SPEAKER_06]: We you know had evidence like for instance as we saw in the Derek Shove in case right and how all of that evidence was able to come to bear and finally we're able to start seeing conviction.

[02:46:58] [SPEAKER_06]: So if we see judges now bow into political pressure bow into racism and now basically undoing the forward motion that we've been able to have.

[02:47:09] [SPEAKER_06]: We're in a very scary place. Oh, which is another reason why elections are so important because again folks are very focused at what's happening at the top of the ballot but judges are often elected positions in most jurisdictions prosecutors are elected positions in most jurisdictions.

[02:47:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Police sheriff so chiefs are elected in some jurisdictions and so your mayor who may maybe your sheriff isn't elected but your mayor appoints the chief of police.

[02:47:38] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's why you've got to be looking at all these other actors within the political sphere and be paying attention to what their mindset is and how they, you know, what's in the prior rulings of this particular judge.

[02:47:51] [SPEAKER_06]: How do they handle certain cases because sometimes on the campaign trail judges can't come out and say certain things but you know who they are by their actions.

[02:48:00] [SPEAKER_06]: So once you're doing that court watching and really seeing what's happening in our courtrooms across the country, you know we should be more engaged in doing that and voting and educating our communities accordingly.

[02:48:14] [SPEAKER_06]: So that we don't see these types of properties, the properties happen at least there's some accountability from a voter perspective.

[02:48:21] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that I want to add to that is that federal sensing this is not a federal case but federal sensing federal sensing guidelines exist and I when I was in law school when I was a practicing lawyer I hated that those damn things.

[02:48:34] [SPEAKER_00]: The book is like yay big it's like three four inches big and if you would have actually buy the book and it requires all these calculations that have to happen but what it was implemented to stop sort of this type of thing which is this.

[02:48:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Just in equitable sentencing and the level of personal either bias or implicit bias that was brought into the sensing process and if you have if the audience has chance to look at this this you can see it online just look for federal sensing guidelines it makes lawyers batty trying to calculate trying to explain to their client what it is that they may be facing.

[02:49:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But I am shocked and surprised that it hasn't filtered down into these states and because it was it was introduced by if I recall Republicans.

[02:49:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And so you would think you know some of this stuff would filter down into some of these states that there would be established guidelines for how to sentence but there isn't oftentimes it is very much at the women of the judge.

[02:49:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and so from my experience as far as a legislator why it doesn't happen in the States is because the judges are elected and the judges have an association and they lobby the legislature just like any other group.

[02:49:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And in Mississippi those judges did not want to be told what to do or how to sentence or anything like that they wanted they wanted to have full autonomy in a courtroom and all that came to heaven we were dealing with tort reform you know because it was like don't you have a rule where you can do what you want to do.

[02:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Well you know these juries out of control that's a whole other show but it was like but that was you know that that's the problem at the state level and then the other thing you both you use the word deterrence right because some when you when you do these type of sensing when you when you can pick people you're trying to deter people in society from doing that same crime right.

[02:50:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But the paramedics associations around the country were really watching this case because they basically instead of deterrence they were like.

[02:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Using the word reluctance like okay well you know if we can go to jail for that I don't know we should be.

[02:50:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Going in the situations you know what I'm saying and it.

[02:50:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's part of our political problem with some of these legal decisions is that.

[02:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You know people take it as an excuse to do worse than wrong if that makes sense right because I believe it's like if you if you do something and you make a mistake.

[02:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to be accountable for that mistake but I rather for you to do something and try to do it the right way.

[02:51:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Then not do anything and that that was kind of the feedback that.

[02:51:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I was observing as far as this this McLean decision if this guy had decided to state he's you're if the judge had kept a five year sentence.

[02:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's a slap in the face not only to the family of Elijah McLean but to those individuals who took the time out of their lives to sit there and listen to these cases.

[02:51:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And make determinations and say yeah this guy based on which I'll told us he's guilty.

[02:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the judge turned around and said well you know.

[02:52:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know it's just like I say it just that even they even goes back to the delay and a sentence for me is just for Trump it's like what about those individuals that took their time because this like these folks were.

[02:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: They could have been swatted you know what I'm saying I mean they're they're looking in fear even the one jurid it said yeah I get all my news from truth social.

[02:52:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He said that don't Trump did what they accuse him of doing so it's like now you want to push it back now you want to do this in the Colorado situation now you after three months you want to change your mind about you know.

[02:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It to me is a slap in the face and the jury system and but you know like you said doc if we can't get guidelines in all 50 states.

[02:53:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Then it's going to be hard to hold judges accountable for stuff like that but.

[02:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that's enough of my commentary look but also know what I mean.

[02:53:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead, no.

[02:53:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I was just going to add that and I can floor yeah I was going to say in Florida we do have sentencing guidelines but then again the judges have the ability to.

[02:53:24] [SPEAKER_06]: You know move away from the guidelines so they can go under they can go over and just sit in there you know written order as to.

[02:53:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Just a vacation like hey I went below guidelines because I thought this person had a high chance of being.

[02:53:39] [SPEAKER_06]: You know rehabilitated and I thought that you know they expressed sufficient remorse or whatever the case may be so guidelines alone does not ensure that.

[02:53:48] [SPEAKER_06]: That the sentence will be equitable so that's why again it's so important for there to be transparency within the system and for voters and advocates and activists to be keeping their eyes on these races and these different.

[02:54:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And then the state holders and hold them accountable at the ballot box firemen with them not to in their job.

[02:54:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's our job is as voters.

[02:54:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:54:10] [SPEAKER_00]: In California we vote for everything.

[02:54:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just saying California we vote for everything.

[02:54:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean we vote like constantly and it's funny when I got here was like oh this is great and now I'm like.

[02:54:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But we vote constantly and what I will say is somebody who has had to vote for judges in my older section I didn't have to.

[02:54:28] [SPEAKER_00]: They were pointed here we vote for them and I find as somebody who's a lawyer whose experience I have a difficult time discerning what that judge is going to do.

[02:54:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody who's running to be a judge they're on the bottom of the ballot it is you know you're going to flip through 30 pages of voter bulletin to figure out who these people are.

[02:54:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And and you really have no idea who they are what they will do.

[02:54:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's it's a very murky area to try to make a good decision and so I if I'm having a hard time I'm sure people who other people are having a hard time trying to figure out who do I check off on the box.

[02:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and in Chicago when I first started voting.

[02:55:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's like the high profile stuff you saw on the news okay I made a decision on that then we had to vote on stuff like judges.

[02:55:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Trustees with University Illinois College board you know and look I'm just going to tell you in Chicago based on what neighborhood you lived in that's where you're going to get your votes from if you had a Polish sounding name.

[02:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And in those Polish precincts you were getting you were getting the vote on that trustee board if it's a type of a Smith.

[02:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He sounds like he's black okay we're going to vote for him over in the south side you know I'm saying and just if they had a Latino name okay pills in the neighborhood they're going to vote for those people.

[02:55:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So and basically it was like the top eight people out of like 30 some names at top eight people got to serve on the trustee board.

[02:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So and then the judges they restrict what they can campaign on so it's like you basically voting for a homecoming king and queen to serve on the bench.

[02:56:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Right so it is tough it is really really tough and you know some folks make it easy.

[02:56:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We had guys in Mississippi that would call in and have these robocalls and they be terrorizing if all if you elect this person every criminal in Mississippi's going to be free.

[02:56:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You know I'm saying so it's like okay we're not voting for that clown because he's crazy right but.

[02:56:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you as tough and and you know and it's just more homework that we have to do in civics.

[02:56:38] [SPEAKER_02]: All right final thing as far as a subject because I do want to ask one question.

[02:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But final thing is in Nebraska right.

[02:56:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And for the listeners of we were having a predestcussion right and usually the predestestestestings are better than what we actually talked about but in the predestestestings people are thinking about my esteem.

[02:57:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Law firm was thinking all you want to talk about Lindsey Graham coming into Nebraska no I don't want to.

[02:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not talking about him trying to take away that one electoral vote that come later is it's going to get out in Nebraska no.

[02:57:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And having been to the Nebraska State Senate I think Lindsey Graham is yeah he wasted his time doing that but.

[02:57:23] [SPEAKER_02]: No and the brothers of the Supreme Court made an interesting decision so there were there there were two proposals to be on the ballot.

[02:57:35] [SPEAKER_02]: One was okay like Kansas women will have full reproductive rights right and of course the pro life folks were fighting to keep that off the ballot.

[02:57:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there was another provision that said now we're going to institute a band and all the pro choice folks were against that.

[02:57:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Supreme Court took both cases and said you know what we're going to put both measures on the ballot y'all we're going to let the folks in Nebraska picking choose.

[02:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: How do y'all feel about that and and you know as far as.

[02:58:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The judges just saying.

[02:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The justices just saying well we will let the voters just we'll just throw it out there and let the voters decide instead of making a decision when we're.

[02:58:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean someone that's done you know voting rights work with a ACLU of Florida.

[02:58:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean I think that the justices here are like abdicated their duty that they basically didn't make a decision and it just punted it and when you are a judge on whatever level you know you're going to have to make the hard decision that's why you're in that position.

[02:58:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And so you have to look at the law you have to look at the facts and you know what someone's going to come out and lose that that that's how it always comes right unless you know situation where there is no negotiation but even still somebody's giving up something that they didn't want right so at the end of the day now you have set up a situation where you can easily confuse the voters because they may they might be something in the wording that well I don't like the wording and how the pro choice.

[02:59:14] [SPEAKER_06]: You know amendment sounds but there's something else that resonates with me with the abortion ban option so.

[02:59:25] [SPEAKER_06]: That's why when you do ballot initiatives it's got to be usually one topic very easily understandable by the average person so the language is simple and straightforward and not in a way that you know it confuses people.

[02:59:38] [SPEAKER_06]: And so I just see that there's going to be a challenge after this you know after this electoral cycle and you know because it can an obscene split 50 50 and then what.

[02:59:51] [SPEAKER_06]: So do you have a band or do you have full you know autonomy over your body as a woman in Nebraska.

[02:59:57] [SPEAKER_06]: So I could see legal challenges coming from this depending on what happens in November so this was a very messy decision and problematic and I think they got it wrong.

[03:00:07] [SPEAKER_06]: They needed to pick one.

[03:00:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that I agree with you on the perspective that things need to be clear. I know that in Ohio they played some games with an initiative out there and the wording of things and I think that.

[03:00:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't looked at the two questions but I'm going to make some assumptions about it that you have to pick a choice and and there are two issues and either agree or you don't.

[03:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And so they put both questions out there so if you agree you'll check your degree and if you don't you don't and if it's written clearly people will understand it. It's just a second it's basically you're answering the question twice.

[03:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just written differently. I think that what we have seen across the country is that when these questions are on the ballot overwhelmingly the abortion rights or the reproductive rights went out over bands and so I'm not concerned there.

[03:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Do I think that there's going to be challenges? Well, you know when the loser loses they often do a challenge especially when they happen to be on that particular side of the the coin on the you know let's take away everybody's rights side of the coin because that's all they got.

[03:01:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that we will probably see an overwhelming response to this. I think the overwhelming response will be in favor of protecting rights because even the most Republican or Republican women I have seen have been going well wait a minute.

[03:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a daughter and you know while I don't support it you took away my rights and I think with more and more coming out about project 25 25 that is that is that is also having an impact on people.

[03:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Importantly I think that we when we do these things you know yes judges need to make decisions but we also been seeing they make bad ones.

[03:01:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You know there's no perfect in any of this what I think is is important is that they are getting these initiatives on the ballots so that it isn't the people who have are who are self dealing in Congress who are self dealing in the legislatures

[03:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: who are not going and working for the people and who are gerrymandering the districts that these initiatives are being given to the people that that impact in the most so that they can vote their their conscience and their beliefs.

[03:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah my concern with that was so like a Mississippi.

[03:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: They had an issue where they were trying to give more funding for public schools and what the Republicans did was they divided the question.

[03:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So the first question was are you in favor of giving more money to the public schools well they knew everybody was going to vote for that but then the caveat was do we want to put that then they put a second thing is do you want to put it in the constitution right.

[03:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Because in the state constitution is already a provision it says every citizen has the right to public education statements so what this what they waited counted was that.

[03:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: If you voted for that and then voted to put it in the constitution separately then it would have been added to the section that said you had to write for public education and add to be fully funded.

[03:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So when they split it up like that well everybody voted for the more money.

[03:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But it didn't reach the threshold to get in the constitution right and so my concern is if the judge is said okay we want both and then we're going to mash it together so it's just like a campaign where it's like either your foreword or you know it's an A and B choice on one particular button.

[03:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but now you've created a scenario where like mellba says.

[03:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: All right well I'm down with rights but you know and then people look at and say well the other one says, you know they do have like some restrictions so I'm for the restrictions right and so you might have a scenario where 60% of the people say hey we want to write.

[03:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And then 60% of people say well we want the band because it's got these restrictions now.

[03:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: How do you how do you put that into constitution and that's why I think the legal challenge is going to be there.

[03:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope you're right doc. I hope that the women are like, you know a concerted effort in campaigning and saying vote yes on A and no on B you know what I'm saying.

[03:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that's how they will go down but I hated when the courts make it tough for the voters to you know to have to make that decision.

[03:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I wish they would have just if they were going to approve both of them then make the decision that both of them have to appear on the ballot in the same block rather than each one gets their own separate vote because it doesn't make any sense.

[03:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know to say okay well we got one is four and one is against if you vote for the four then you got to so it's like you have to vote.

[03:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to vote in the affirmative for one and vote in the affirmative for the other one.

[03:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying is just it all depends on how they word it and how they put it on there.

[03:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas like you could have to vote yes on both of them to get the one that you want.

[03:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[03:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's one word is crazy.

[03:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Kansas one word Kansas.

[03:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay we said I've been saying this for two years for two years I've been on radio I've been on TBS and look abortion is the issue abortion is the issue and you know I've talked to people most of them happen to be men this has nothing to do with you Eric I love you to death.

[03:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And then thought me if men fought me and said no now have you looked at the polls what polls are crap.

[03:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a different word for that if you see me on Twitter.

[03:06:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm I'm trained to do quantitative research it's crap so it's just made up nonsense and we shouldn't pay attention to it but when it comes to women and women's bodies and taking away their rights.

[03:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But they were fighting me on this issue and I said mmm and I was right Kansas Kansas was the bell weather that was the one that we knew we knew that that was what was going to lead the day and that was what we have seen.

[03:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Time and time again since DBS has been issued so I think that you're going to see probably in this state some really keen advertising as the election approaches.

[03:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: In educating the voters they're not the people that put these initiatives on the ballot as you know are are very smart and savvy about being able to try to convince the electorate I know out here in California man props already starting the proct commercial has already started.

[03:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And I have to sort of you know stop myself trying off the TV and you know what the one or the way.

[03:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But they they are savvy at trying to dive their message and women know what the message is.

[03:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what their job is.

[03:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You know that you're saying.

[03:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Look up with the other.

[03:07:34] You know.

[03:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know.

[03:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know.

[03:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know.

[03:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: In their law that women have their rights and this is what they say.

[03:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And take away their right and then Kansas.

[03:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The Kansas it's like whatever rights we got we don't keep.

[03:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We not trying to take away nothing.

[03:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter what the issue is if I got the right

[03:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: for it in Kansas becauseau you've got the right.

[03:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: of all the crazy legislation that Kansas puts out there.

[03:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And as we use the white's Kansas,

[03:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: if it was going to be something that's going to hit our state

[03:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: legislature is like, what the...

[03:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: What the...

[03:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: The innocent that he'll do,

[03:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: why tell the hell we can't tell them,

[03:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: they're coming to our office.

[03:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Just like you know what I'm saying?

[03:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So, but in Kansas, they weren't getting anything passed

[03:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: because they kept saying,

[03:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: you know what this Supreme Court's going to rule that on Constitution?

[03:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's a constitutional right for women

[03:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: to have a political voice.

[03:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So, they tried to...

[03:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I knew it, I'll probably win.

[03:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: A few men, Doc.

[03:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: They knew that that wasn't going to work

[03:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: because the whole premise of the state of Kansas is about...

[03:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We want to write to do what we wanted to do.

[03:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That was the bloody Sunday, all that stuff.

[03:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the history of that state.

[03:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So, if there was any state for the conservative folks

[03:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: to make up a stake, it was Kansas.

[03:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[03:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And once they got beat up in Kansas,

[03:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: it was like, and then Ohio, they played the game with...

[03:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: what we're going to change the threshold

[03:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and people say, oh, that means more of us got a vote for it.

[03:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, fine, we'll do that.

[03:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they moved the date

[03:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: when they figured everybody was going to be on vacation there

[03:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: by cutting their vacation, which is pretty hard in showdown.

[03:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So, like you said, it's going to be a driving force

[03:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and I believe that reproductive rights will be protected

[03:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: in the Nebraska, but I just did not like...

[03:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: As somebody as a former legislator,

[03:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I just did not like that the Supreme Court said,

[03:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: oh, well, they'll get the vote on both of them.

[03:09:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And let them have fun with it in November.

[03:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, do it later.

[03:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so look, it's time to go.

[03:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We will pass our curfew, but look.

[03:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So, I know you all don't like making predictions,

[03:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but I want you to give me a hypoca...

[03:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: hypoethical date when the last election challenge

[03:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: with 2024 will happen.

[03:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Just throw one out there.

[03:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, if you think it'll be all over in January,

[03:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: 7, 2025, okay, if you think it's going to be over Christmas

[03:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: December 2025, but...

[03:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I knew just like you mentioned about the legal challenges

[03:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Melva, it's gonna be...

[03:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: This election is gonna be challenged, no matter who wins.

[03:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And so...

[03:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[03:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just...

[03:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Y'all best legal minds, give me an educated guess

[03:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: when you think the last challenge will happen.

[03:10:41] [SPEAKER_00]: January 6th, when the vote is certified.

[03:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[03:10:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Because after that, it's certified

[03:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and to who cares at that point.

[03:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: No judge that we've seen so far, even judges

[03:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that he appointed, you know,

[03:10:57] [SPEAKER_00]: we're willing to listen to him and agree with him

[03:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: on his challenges.

[03:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that once the vote is certified, it's done.

[03:11:08] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm fingers crossed for that one as well.

[03:11:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm more worried about the challenges

[03:11:13] [SPEAKER_06]: in terms of poll workers being threatened and harmed

[03:11:17] [SPEAKER_06]: and sort of how that impacted people's ability to vote.

[03:11:22] [SPEAKER_06]: So, I'm not only thinking about the electoral challenges

[03:11:24] [SPEAKER_06]: in terms of electoral votes,

[03:11:27] [SPEAKER_06]: but on the ground challenges in terms of,

[03:11:30] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, poll workers access to your polling place

[03:11:33] [SPEAKER_06]: being told the wrong polling place

[03:11:35] [SPEAKER_06]: or, you know, machines broken and there's line from around the block

[03:11:39] [SPEAKER_06]: because there's only one machine working

[03:11:41] [SPEAKER_06]: in that particular polling place.

[03:11:43] [SPEAKER_06]: So people weren't able to vote in a timely fashion.

[03:11:45] [SPEAKER_06]: So I feel like those things will keep popping out, popping up

[03:11:50] [SPEAKER_06]: and have to be resolved over the course,

[03:11:52] [SPEAKER_06]: probably of all 2025.

[03:11:55] [SPEAKER_06]: But do I think all of those challenges will be levied

[03:11:58] [SPEAKER_06]: by January?

[03:11:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, but I don't think it'll be resolved

[03:12:00] [SPEAKER_06]: by January because of the possible state level

[03:12:04] [SPEAKER_06]: and also criminal aspect depending on, you know,

[03:12:08] [SPEAKER_06]: what happens on election day.

[03:12:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Which I don't want any of this to happen,

[03:12:11] [SPEAKER_06]: but again, we're in such a polarized environment.

[03:12:14] [SPEAKER_06]: You have people calling in bomb threats to schools

[03:12:16] [SPEAKER_06]: and supermarkets.

[03:12:18] [SPEAKER_06]: What do you think they're going to do on election day?

[03:12:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[03:12:20] [SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, I poll workers have been vilified.

[03:12:23] [SPEAKER_06]: We saw that in 2016.

[03:12:24] [SPEAKER_06]: We saw that in 2020.

[03:12:26] [SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, that's where my fear is kind of longed.

[03:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[03:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that people need to know

[03:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: where the polling places they need to print out the information

[03:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: if the information is available to you online.

[03:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: They need to come prepared for battle

[03:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: in the sense of I know what I know

[03:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and this is my information

[03:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and I am asserting my rights.

[03:12:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that at the end of the day,

[03:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: once the vote is certified,

[03:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: there isn't a darn two-ton thing.

[03:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody's going to be able to do about that

[03:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: because it's been certified.

[03:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have a provision in our constitution

[03:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: for the things that he wants to,

[03:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to, to, to,

[03:13:05] [SPEAKER_00]: chin up and to make an issue.

[03:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Once it's certified, it's certified

[03:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and then we get to, you know,

[03:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: into inauguration day and then it's done.

[03:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's no reversing things.

[03:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not going to work that way

[03:13:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and so what people need to do is

[03:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: you need to get the butts out of the seats

[03:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and get themselves to the polling place

[03:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and there's only one choice.

[03:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: There's only one choice

[03:13:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and that is Harris and Walsh.

[03:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That is it.

[03:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: If you care about living in the country

[03:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: you live in now, no matter how imperfect it is,

[03:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: it's Harris and Walsh.

[03:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Because otherwise, the other option is

[03:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: that you aren't going to live in the same country.

[03:13:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You are not going to be living in a democracy.

[03:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And so there's only one choice

[03:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and just know your rights,

[03:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: know how to get there.

[03:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Know where you're supposed to go.

[03:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: How you supposed to do it?

[03:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to bring an ID, bring three.

[03:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: If you, you know, go with friends,

[03:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: go win groups, you know,

[03:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: so that there are people who are observing it.

[03:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you have to do.

[03:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: We got to treat this like this is a battle

[03:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: for our democracy.

[03:14:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And I agree with that

[03:14:03] [SPEAKER_06]: and I will just give a resource vote.org.

[03:14:06] [SPEAKER_06]: You can put in your, your state

[03:14:09] [SPEAKER_06]: and then get all the way down

[03:14:10] [SPEAKER_06]: to a sample ballot so you can see

[03:14:13] [SPEAKER_06]: the other things are on your ballot,

[03:14:15] [SPEAKER_06]: including the presidency.

[03:14:16] [SPEAKER_06]: But again, those local racism,

[03:14:17] [SPEAKER_06]: we talked about the importance of that before

[03:14:19] [SPEAKER_06]: to support your local reform efforts

[03:14:21] [SPEAKER_06]: and that way you know the time.

[03:14:24] [SPEAKER_06]: So it's 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.

[03:14:26] [SPEAKER_06]: if you are in line,

[03:14:28] [SPEAKER_06]: they cannot kick you out.

[03:14:29] [SPEAKER_06]: You have to be able to be allowed to vote

[03:14:31] [SPEAKER_06]: and there's also,

[03:14:33] [SPEAKER_06]: it folks want a volunteer.

[03:14:35] [SPEAKER_06]: There's an election protection service.

[03:14:37] [SPEAKER_06]: So you can just Google election protection

[03:14:39] [SPEAKER_06]: and you can volunteer to help assist whole workers

[03:14:43] [SPEAKER_06]: in case they're being challenged or if someone

[03:14:45] [SPEAKER_06]: is trying to vote and their accounts

[03:14:47] [SPEAKER_06]: or issues advising them through that process.

[03:14:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's a simple way

[03:14:51] [SPEAKER_06]: that folks can get engaged and get involved.

[03:14:54] [SPEAKER_06]: But at the bottom,

[03:14:54] [SPEAKER_06]: at the bottom bare minimum,

[03:14:57] [SPEAKER_06]: make sure that you vote.

[03:14:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Go to vote.org.

[03:14:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Make sure you know where you're going

[03:15:00] [SPEAKER_06]: to have a plan.

[03:15:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Are you going to vote early?

[03:15:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Are you going to vote by mail?

[03:15:05] [SPEAKER_06]: If you're voting by mail,

[03:15:07] [SPEAKER_06]: can you drop it off

[03:15:08] [SPEAKER_06]: of the supervisor of elections office

[03:15:09] [SPEAKER_06]: rather than mail it

[03:15:10] [SPEAKER_06]: because it may take longer

[03:15:12] [SPEAKER_06]: and you don't want your ballots

[03:15:13] [SPEAKER_06]: to arrive after election date,

[03:15:15] [SPEAKER_06]: meaning it wouldn't be counted.

[03:15:17] [SPEAKER_06]: So have a plan

[03:15:18] [SPEAKER_06]: understand where you're going

[03:15:19] [SPEAKER_06]: and make sure your friends

[03:15:21] [SPEAKER_06]: and family have the same information as well.

[03:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And to limit any confusion,

[03:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: what I would love to see on January 6th

[03:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: is Vice President Harris

[03:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: presiding over the meeting

[03:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and speaker Jeffries being on the podium with her.

[03:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That would send the message that, yeah,

[03:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: we did the right thing.

[03:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Ladies.

[03:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not going back.

[03:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not going back.

[03:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: We are not going back.

[03:15:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Not going back.

[03:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Ladies, thank you all so much.

[03:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it.

[03:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate you all.

[03:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Tolerate me with all these questions and stuff.

[03:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I enjoy listening to you all.

[03:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not going to try to get you out of come back

[03:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: on Thanksgiving weekend,

[03:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: but because I'm not even going

[03:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: to do the podcast on Thanksgiving weekend.

[03:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully we'll get a sense.

[03:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But I would, you know,

[03:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: any, we need to get this together again

[03:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and look forward to that.

[03:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But until then, Dr. Tracy Pearson,

[03:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: you can catch here on the serious

[03:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: XM, you've got a podcast now, right?

[03:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Individual podcast.

[03:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I do.

[03:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a brand new podcast called What We Don't Know

[03:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: with Dr. Tracy.

[03:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You can find it on Patreon.

[03:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You can find it on YouTube.

[03:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: You can find it everywhere.

[03:16:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You find it for every podcast.

[03:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And Melba has still has her Mondays with Melba

[03:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: on the web.

[03:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And are you still doing the resident legal

[03:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: deva podcast as well?

[03:16:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yep, that all both can be found on YouTube.

[03:16:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm also one of the co-host on MTN True Crimes.

[03:16:53] [SPEAKER_06]: So you can find it on that channel.

[03:16:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Me on that channel as well.

[03:16:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Just commenting on current cases going on in our

[03:17:00] [SPEAKER_06]: legal systems.

[03:17:01] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, but find me on socials at resident legal

[03:17:04] [SPEAKER_06]: and live.

[03:17:05] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, guys.

[03:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's no building for this.

[03:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So but we do appreciate the Pearson and Pearson.

[03:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Podcast law firm for coming together.

[03:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, all ladies.

[03:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate it.

[03:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[03:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, guys.

[03:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll catch all on the other side.

[03:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, and we are back.

[03:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you all for hanging with me.

[03:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I know this was a long one, but this was a good one.

[03:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[03:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope you enjoyed Kelly Huff, Kelly Nightingham Huff,

[03:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: better known as Kill Bill in Mara Quint.

[03:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Two ladies who are very, very funny, but very, very

[03:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: intelligent, especially when it comes to the political

[03:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: process.

[03:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And I greatly appreciate them coming on to display why

[03:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: humor is important in our discussion in why politics at this

[03:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: time is important.

[03:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then my law firm of Pearson and Pearson, I want to

[03:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: thank Dr. Tracy and Melba for coming on and offering their

[03:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: insights as well.

[03:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So I have some thoughts, but because y'all have been really

[03:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: good listening, I'll save those for later or maybe I might

[03:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: say something on Patreon.

[03:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But again, I want to thank the guests for coming on and I

[03:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: want to thank y'all for listening until next time.