Hosts Dave and Len interview Larry Barnhill about his rise from college track star and sports executive to involvement in bank robberies, 22 years in federal prison, and his transformation into a speaker and criminal-justice advocate.
Barnhill discusses rehabilitation, mentoring incarcerated men, and his memoir "Control, Move, Dominate."
The episode also covers current news stories — a controversy at a gym over a person in the women’s locker room, a Habitat for Humanity home for a single mother of four, and a viral experiment calling churches for emergency help — plus the hosts’ commentary and a final segment grading the president’s performance.
00:00:19 --> 00:00:20 And Len.
00:00:30 --> 00:00:33 Welcome, welcome, welcome to News and Trends with Dave and Len.
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00:01:37 --> 00:01:40 I'm hanging with my partner, Mr. Leonard Young. What's going on, sir?
00:01:41 --> 00:01:45 Hey, Dave. Everything is good. This is Leonard Young, CEO of National Black
00:01:45 --> 00:01:53 Guide, DelawareBlack.com, black media expert and all-around good guy. How's it going, Dave?
00:01:54 --> 00:01:58 Good, man. I can't call it. It's, you know, it's fall, man.
00:01:58 --> 00:02:03 The weather changed on us, huh? It's cold now. Yeah, it's cold. Don't come outside.
00:02:04 --> 00:02:07 It's a blustery day. I know what Winnie the Pooh was feeling like,
00:02:07 --> 00:02:11 you know, back in the day, you know. So, but yeah, it's definitely,
00:02:11 --> 00:02:14 definitely changing up. I know I'm getting tired of seeing leaves.
00:02:15 --> 00:02:18 What about you? Dave, I'm, I'm, I'm definitely tired of leaves because they,
00:02:18 --> 00:02:20 I know you are all in the campground.
00:02:20 --> 00:02:23 I know, I know down there at that campground, that's probably all you see.
00:02:24 --> 00:02:27 In fact, Dave, we, we still waiting for you to come down and help out.
00:02:28 --> 00:02:29 You know, that won't be happening, sir.
00:02:30 --> 00:02:35 We, we got blowers, you know, you know, some of your friends,
00:02:35 --> 00:02:38 you know, some of your friends would say, okay, when you need me,
00:02:38 --> 00:02:39 I'll come down and help you.
00:02:39 --> 00:02:42 You out i'm never going to tell you that man never okay i'm just letting you
00:02:42 --> 00:02:48 know okay so you forget about that so but you know i'm there in spirit definitely
00:02:48 --> 00:02:51 there in spirit and i'll be praying for you as you do all that work down there
00:02:51 --> 00:02:56 okay i get it okay well spirit always counts but anyway,
00:02:57 --> 00:03:01 but it's good to know that you're still alive man and that everything's okay
00:03:01 --> 00:03:06 with you anything new going on nope same same same stuff,
00:03:07 --> 00:03:11 Okay. I'm glad you said stuff. Yeah. Okay.
00:03:12 --> 00:03:16 So, but well, that's good. That's good. Well, I'm glad to hear that.
00:03:16 --> 00:03:23 I know I was watching something on TV the other day and made me think of you.
00:03:24 --> 00:03:27 I was like looking at that new Jurassic Park.
00:03:30 --> 00:03:35 Okay i'm i'm i'm trying to see where this is going a little worried about what
00:03:35 --> 00:03:38 i'm getting ready to say okay yeah well you know there was a guy on there kind
00:03:38 --> 00:03:44 of reminded me of you and i said you know look at leonard uh getting chewed up by uh a dinosaur.
00:03:46 --> 00:03:54 Yeah yeah so so but uh anyway you know let's hope that we never have the dinosaurs
00:03:54 --> 00:03:57 come back because that would not be a good thing, you know.
00:03:57 --> 00:03:59 Uh-huh. Yeah, definitely, definitely.
00:04:00 --> 00:04:07 Well, I know we are going to go ahead and get right into our show tonight because
00:04:07 --> 00:04:12 we have a guest on with us, you know, that I know I posted on,
00:04:13 --> 00:04:19 I posted that this gentleman was going to be on last night on my stories.
00:04:20 --> 00:04:26 And then I posted it on my Facebook page. and I got some responses sent directly
00:04:26 --> 00:04:28 to me. Man, this looks like it's going to be good.
00:04:29 --> 00:04:35 I got to tune in for this interview and everything. So I can tell you that this
00:04:35 --> 00:04:40 is going to be probably an interview that everyone is going to want to hear.
00:04:40 --> 00:04:46 So why don't you go ahead and tell everyone a little bit about who we have on tonight.
00:04:47 --> 00:04:53 Sure, Dave. So our guest tonight is Larry Barnhill. He is a track star,
00:04:53 --> 00:04:59 college graduate, and businessman turned advocate who life story embodies both
00:04:59 --> 00:05:01 triumph and transformation.
00:05:01 --> 00:05:06 A proud graduate of the University of Florida Gators, go Gators.
00:05:06 --> 00:05:12 Barnhill once led a thriving career in event promotion and sports management,
00:05:12 --> 00:05:15 working alongside world famous athletes and celebrities.
00:05:15 --> 00:05:20 He served as director of facilities for a national management company,
00:05:20 --> 00:05:27 overseeing major arenas and stadiums, and later as assistant executive director
00:05:27 --> 00:05:29 of the Orange Bowl Committee.
00:05:30 --> 00:05:34 Where he helped produce some of the country's most prestigious sporting events.
00:05:35 --> 00:05:42 But in the late 1990s, despite outward success, Barnhill made a series of life-altering
00:05:42 --> 00:05:45 decisions when he and three associates
00:05:45 --> 00:05:49 became involved in a string of bank robberies in the Atlanta area.
00:05:50 --> 00:05:54 Living double lives that appear to be respectable on the surface,
00:05:54 --> 00:05:56 their actions eventually caught up with them.
00:05:56 --> 00:06:02 In 2000, after a dramatic high-speed chase, they were arrested,
00:06:02 --> 00:06:06 and Larry was sentenced to 26 years in federal prison.
00:06:07 --> 00:06:12 After serving his time, Larry Barnhill emerged with a renewed sense of purpose.
00:06:12 --> 00:06:18 Today, he is a speaker, mentor, and criminal justice reform advocate,
00:06:18 --> 00:06:24 using his experience to inspire others and help formerly incarcerated individuals
00:06:24 --> 00:06:27 rebuild their lives through meaningful career opportunities.
00:06:28 --> 00:06:34 His memoir, Control, Move, Dominate, The Story of the Morning Glory Boys,
00:06:34 --> 00:06:37 is a compelling story of redemption,
00:06:38 --> 00:06:43 accountability, and resilience, offering a powerful reminder that even in the
00:06:43 --> 00:06:46 darkest chapters can lead to a new beginning.
00:06:46 --> 00:06:53 So without further ado, I'd like to welcome to the show Larry Barnhill How are you, sir?
00:06:54 --> 00:06:59 Thank you, thank you, gentlemen And I'm honored to be on the show and have an
00:06:59 --> 00:07:05 opportunity to take this evening and sit down and speak with you gentlemen Of course,
00:07:05 --> 00:07:13 about my incredible story As I listen to you read those credits or bio,
00:07:14 --> 00:07:16 what you say, what most people call them
00:07:16 --> 00:07:24 I get chills every time I reflect on my life as it evolved.
00:07:25 --> 00:07:28 So it was, it's an honor to be here. Oh, thank you. Thank you.
00:07:29 --> 00:07:34 So of course, just to jump right into it, I think it's hard not to read the
00:07:34 --> 00:07:38 bio and have some immediate questions like who, what, where, when, and why.
00:07:39 --> 00:07:43 But I guess just starting from the beginning, and I know Dave always tried to
00:07:43 --> 00:07:46 take the good questions, so I got to get my good questions out the way.
00:07:46 --> 00:07:50 So then, you know, just try to leave him with the crumbs and peanuts.
00:07:51 --> 00:07:54 Okay. So 26 years in federal prison.
00:07:54 --> 00:08:01 Yes. So I know we talked about via the bio that made a series of life altering
00:08:01 --> 00:08:08 decisions when you and three associates became involved in a string of bank robberies.
00:08:08 --> 00:08:12 Can you kind of tell what kind of led up to that? Because, of course,
00:08:12 --> 00:08:17 reading the bio and, you know, even stated in the bio, you know,
00:08:17 --> 00:08:21 the outward appearance seemed respectable.
00:08:22 --> 00:08:27 And then there was another side of, you know, I guess the life altering decisions.
00:08:27 --> 00:08:34 Can you kind of explain how that came about? Yes, that's one of the things that
00:08:34 --> 00:08:40 we talk about in the book, and which led me to actually do the book.
00:08:41 --> 00:08:47 It was a choice where your whole life you've been in the spotlight.
00:08:48 --> 00:08:52 You've been successful from day one from leaving Wilmington,
00:08:52 --> 00:08:57 Delaware, as you mentioned, a track star, full scholarship, University of Florida.
00:08:57 --> 00:09:02 But living a life of the corporate dream and success.
00:09:03 --> 00:09:13 But the life-altering point with me came with not understanding how to accept failure.
00:09:14 --> 00:09:20 And not understanding that failure comes in all shapes and form.
00:09:20 --> 00:09:26 In my case, it came at the corporate level where I was working for a company,
00:09:27 --> 00:09:29 as you stated, leisure management.
00:09:29 --> 00:09:33 And we opened facilities across the United States.
00:09:33 --> 00:09:39 And this is clearly in the 90s. And I was one of the, in the Southeast,
00:09:39 --> 00:09:44 probably one of the successful black, you know, what we call arena managers.
00:09:44 --> 00:09:51 So opening up these arenas and doing all the right things as you were taught
00:09:51 --> 00:09:58 as you're growing up and to have the corporate whip, as I can call it, if I may,
00:09:59 --> 00:10:04 hit you aside the head from having so much success from an athlete,
00:10:04 --> 00:10:08 college, and so forth with a change.
00:10:08 --> 00:10:14 And the change was so blunt to where it was one of the facilities where I went
00:10:14 --> 00:10:19 into that city and hired everyone,
00:10:19 --> 00:10:26 gave people opportunity for life with their career path and so forth in these rural areas.
00:10:27 --> 00:10:34 And when we had a change at the corporate level, a gentleman from the good old
00:10:34 --> 00:10:38 boy, as you know how that went, was to be my boss now.
00:10:39 --> 00:10:44 So that led to me not, as a young executive, not understanding,
00:10:44 --> 00:10:48 as I mentioned in the beginning, failure at the corporate level.
00:10:49 --> 00:10:54 Knowing that, hey, I did everything right. I moved to every facility that you
00:10:54 --> 00:10:58 asked me to at the drop of a dime, you know,
00:10:58 --> 00:11:03 to open them up, get them running, been on presentations with government officials
00:11:03 --> 00:11:07 to have that Afro-American at the table.
00:11:09 --> 00:11:14 That led to resentment, and I didn't make the right choice at that time.
00:11:14 --> 00:11:16 I didn't make the right choice.
00:11:16 --> 00:11:22 The three gentlemen that I was in not being friends with, one of them was my
00:11:22 --> 00:11:28 cousin, and they actually worked at one of the facilities for me,
00:11:28 --> 00:11:31 and setting up the chairs, tables,
00:11:32 --> 00:11:35 and the convention center at Gwinnett County.
00:11:35 --> 00:11:43 And I got through in a, I would call a space that led to me not understanding
00:11:43 --> 00:11:47 corporate failure is not the end all.
00:11:47 --> 00:11:54 You don't make decisions to try to maintain that lifestyle that you've always been perceived as.
00:11:55 --> 00:12:02 And that ties us back into living a double life. It all started then.
00:12:02 --> 00:12:08 I made a choice. initially it was not bank robber i never considered myself
00:12:08 --> 00:12:11 a bank robber but that's what i became,
00:12:12 --> 00:12:19 and i made a choice what we call survival started trying to do the things to
00:12:19 --> 00:12:25 say all right well i'm viewed as this corporate guy let me get through this
00:12:25 --> 00:12:29 period of time and i'll go back to a corporate America,
00:12:29 --> 00:12:33 and everything that I did in the past would just be that because,
00:12:33 --> 00:12:38 Larry, you're not viewed as this, what you would call.
00:12:38 --> 00:12:44 Bad guy, street guy, a guy who would be considered in that lane.
00:12:45 --> 00:12:50 So at that point, I made some choices with these gentlemen to do some things.
00:12:51 --> 00:12:55 And those things led to, oh, well, we're not doing that anymore.
00:12:57 --> 00:13:05 This is what we do. Now, I made the deal with, I call it making a deal with the devil.
00:13:05 --> 00:13:11 At that time when I was trying to just make ends meet or trying to maintain
00:13:11 --> 00:13:16 that lifestyle to get that other corporate job or get back on track.
00:13:17 --> 00:13:24 Well, when I got back on track, and this is all the story and I won't name names
00:13:24 --> 00:13:28 on the show here, there was people who believed in me and actually got me back
00:13:28 --> 00:13:30 on track corporate wise.
00:13:31 --> 00:13:35 But guess what? Larry had already done. I have made a deal with the devil.
00:13:36 --> 00:13:42 So now you have two lifestyles you're battling.
00:13:42 --> 00:13:48 You're battling this lifestyle like, wow, it only took maybe three,
00:13:48 --> 00:13:57 four months for you to make a decision mentally to sustain this lifestyle,
00:13:57 --> 00:14:02 this perception that you always had from leaving Wilmington, Delaware.
00:14:03 --> 00:14:07 And it just grows and it festers.
00:14:07 --> 00:14:14 You can't control the outside forces that come around those decisions when you're living a double life.
00:14:14 --> 00:14:23 And you'll find yourself, and I found myself, just doing everything to hide it.
00:14:23 --> 00:14:28 But you weren't hiding it. You were living a double life. And when.
00:14:29 --> 00:14:35 The situation that you got yourself in called, it's like you can't get out.
00:14:36 --> 00:14:38 What do you do? How do you handle this?
00:14:39 --> 00:14:47 So my book and my life, it was unraveling.
00:14:47 --> 00:14:54 In the book, it unravels. It shows you that I was trying to take on just life's
00:14:54 --> 00:15:01 challenges, but you were living a double life. So it led me down that direction.
00:15:01 --> 00:15:06 But going back to your initial question there, Len, was how do you get there?
00:15:07 --> 00:15:14 Well, you got there just off making that one decision back in the corporate
00:15:14 --> 00:15:17 America being a failure. But I wasn't a failure.
00:15:17 --> 00:15:21 But at that time, being a young executive, I felt that I was a failure.
00:15:23 --> 00:15:27 Gotcha. you. And you kind of answered my second question, because when I was
00:15:27 --> 00:15:31 reading it and it said yourself and three associates.
00:15:31 --> 00:15:36 And, you know, I always think back to, and I just, and I say associate because,
00:15:36 --> 00:15:39 I mean, of course, that's what you said, but you didn't say three friends.
00:15:40 --> 00:15:44 And I only say because it personally made me think about it sometimes when we
00:15:44 --> 00:15:48 were young and our parents always like, you know, be careful who you hang around
00:15:48 --> 00:15:50 and, you know, they're not your friend.
00:15:51 --> 00:15:54 But I think you kind of answered that portion.
00:15:55 --> 00:16:01 Now, of course, you know, and I'm sure it's in the book as well about spending
00:16:01 --> 00:16:03 the time in the federal prison.
00:16:04 --> 00:16:05 What kind of...
00:16:06 --> 00:16:10 What kind of development did you do during that time?
00:16:10 --> 00:16:12 You know, I know, you know, some people come out for the better.
00:16:13 --> 00:16:14 Some people come out for the worse.
00:16:15 --> 00:16:20 While you were in federal prison, were there certain goals you had or things
00:16:20 --> 00:16:24 you wanted to accomplish or changes you started making?
00:16:25 --> 00:16:32 Yes. Well, from the time of the arrest, of course, you can imagine the shock,
00:16:32 --> 00:16:38 the shock and awe of family, friends, associates.
00:16:39 --> 00:16:49 And I knew right then and there it was, and this may sound kind of weird to
00:16:49 --> 00:16:54 some, but to those who know the journey, I felt relieved.
00:16:55 --> 00:17:00 It was over. I said, you know, the many nights that I would,
00:17:00 --> 00:17:03 you know, ask God to, you know,
00:17:04 --> 00:17:10 help me get my life back on track when I was not caught incarcerated, but you just had that,
00:17:11 --> 00:17:14 as they say, other person, other shoulder said, nah, this is you.
00:17:14 --> 00:17:17 This, this is you, man. Don't, you good. You good.
00:17:18 --> 00:17:21 You've been doing this. But so when I got incarcerated, I said,
00:17:21 --> 00:17:26 wow, Now, God has me definitely in his hands.
00:17:27 --> 00:17:32 When you're incarcerated and you're going through this, there's no way to look.
00:17:32 --> 00:17:37 But because if you look down, you'll continue to go down the path that you were
00:17:37 --> 00:17:40 going down when you weren't incarcerated.
00:17:41 --> 00:17:47 And I knew right then and there that I have to change my life and make an impact.
00:17:47 --> 00:17:56 I immediately saw young men that I knew never had a chance or never had an opportunity
00:17:56 --> 00:18:00 to live the life that I lived. And I took that for granted.
00:18:01 --> 00:18:05 Even as I worked in the communities, worked with disadvantaged youth,
00:18:06 --> 00:18:11 being part of the 100 Black Men of South Florida, I took that for granted.
00:18:11 --> 00:18:16 But when I seen those individuals inside those walls,
00:18:16 --> 00:18:23 those fences, I knew that this is where you make this change But your first
00:18:23 --> 00:18:26 change is on yourself You make an impact,
00:18:26 --> 00:18:30 excuse me This is where you make an impact This is where God is putting you
00:18:30 --> 00:18:35 here for 26 years And you're going to make it out But you have to work on yourself
00:18:35 --> 00:18:40 first And I made that decision to say Larry,
00:18:40 --> 00:18:45 you're going to impact these young men And then you're going to reinvent yourself
00:18:45 --> 00:18:51 and this will be the space when you get that opportunity for God to let you
00:18:51 --> 00:18:56 out those gates and that space was going to be not in corporate America.
00:18:58 --> 00:19:02 Not sitting in a desk with the fancy tie, the designer suits,
00:19:02 --> 00:19:07 and sitting in the skyboxes and flying on the private jets, wherever you want
00:19:07 --> 00:19:08 to go, but it was going to be,
00:19:08 --> 00:19:12 you're going to really help the community instead of just showing up in the
00:19:12 --> 00:19:16 community and saying, I am the assistant exec director.
00:19:16 --> 00:19:19 I am the former arena manager.
00:19:20 --> 00:19:26 And that was the thing that I did in there to work on. And you work on that
00:19:26 --> 00:19:33 by, you know, taking it head on, meeting those individuals where they are. I started tutoring.
00:19:33 --> 00:19:39 I started teaching event management class because I took all that experience
00:19:39 --> 00:19:46 from putting on events. And a lot of young men that are incarcerated,
00:19:46 --> 00:19:47 they're very bright. Yeah.
00:19:48 --> 00:19:52 They're very bright. I mean, they're talented and they understand business.
00:19:52 --> 00:19:58 And that was what I focused on, teaching sports.
00:19:59 --> 00:20:05 Of course, with being an athlete and I played basketball, coach, things like that.
00:20:05 --> 00:20:11 And I just, I did it day for day, day by day, day by day, as they say.
00:20:11 --> 00:20:17 And giving myself an opportunity to say, prepare us to come back into society.
00:20:18 --> 00:20:20 And this was the space that I was going to work in.
00:20:21 --> 00:20:25 Gotcha. Now, kind of on the flip side of that as well, I'm sure you were in
00:20:25 --> 00:20:27 there impacting a lot of lives.
00:20:27 --> 00:20:33 Were there kind of people who kind of supported you, kind of poured into you
00:20:33 --> 00:20:35 and kind of, you know, impacted your life too?
00:20:35 --> 00:20:38 Because, you know, I always think about people always say, you know,
00:20:38 --> 00:20:44 you can't, you know, when you pour into other people, you need someone to pour into you as well.
00:20:45 --> 00:20:52 Yes. Well, most of the administrators and you had, you know, good officers and bad,
00:20:52 --> 00:20:56 but the good officers would always, you know, tell me, look,
00:20:56 --> 00:21:00 Larry, this is not the, this is not the end. because I had my rough roads.
00:21:01 --> 00:21:06 My story was in there. I wasn't the clean guy.
00:21:06 --> 00:21:13 I was angry going in and didn't understand what my next move was until, as I mentioned earlier,
00:21:14 --> 00:21:19 once I started working on myself, I started having administrators and officers
00:21:19 --> 00:21:21 tell me, look, Larry, you're going to make it through this.
00:21:22 --> 00:21:29 You have to stay on that path. These young men are looking up to you And older men,
00:21:29 --> 00:21:35 they're collaborating with you They're talking with you Understanding that your
00:21:35 --> 00:21:39 life's path was very different than theirs I mean,
00:21:40 --> 00:21:45 they didn't understand corporate America Getting a job, college.
00:21:46 --> 00:21:50 Athlete being in prison. And then there were some people who had college degrees.
00:21:50 --> 00:21:52 I'm not saying that, that go to prison.
00:21:53 --> 00:21:59 But for being an Afro-American, that was very rare in there.
00:21:59 --> 00:22:06 You know, the college-educated individual inside there was probably more of
00:22:06 --> 00:22:10 your light, white-collar crime, you know, embezzling.
00:22:11 --> 00:22:17 But you had very few, what I would say, Blacks that we have degrees, but there were some.
00:22:17 --> 00:22:21 I'm not saying that I was the only one in there with a degree,
00:22:21 --> 00:22:26 but as you move throughout the country, as the system moves you throughout the
00:22:26 --> 00:22:31 country, you meet individuals and you find that 80% of the individuals,
00:22:32 --> 00:22:35 didn't have DEDs that are incarcerated.
00:22:36 --> 00:22:43 And that was something that touched me and I just knew that I had to work on.
00:22:43 --> 00:22:47 And back to what you said, the officers poured into me, administrators.
00:22:47 --> 00:22:51 Look, Larry, you're making a change.
00:22:51 --> 00:22:57 These guys are coming out of GED. They're saying, look, I got my GED.
00:22:57 --> 00:22:58 I work with Mr. Barnwell.
00:22:58 --> 00:23:03 We're working on this now. Now, we're understanding, working on what they call
00:23:03 --> 00:23:10 extracurricular classes that help you to better yourself and prepare yourself
00:23:10 --> 00:23:13 for whatever your challenge may be when you return.
00:23:13 --> 00:23:19 And half of them don't. I didn't know what my challenge would be when I walked out the gate.
00:23:20 --> 00:23:25 It was very, very different. I've been gone. So they poured into me,
00:23:25 --> 00:23:27 the administrators and some good officers.
00:23:28 --> 00:23:35 Okay. Two questions I did forget to ask. So when you were sentenced to federal
00:23:35 --> 00:23:36 prison, how old were you at the time?
00:23:37 --> 00:23:39 I was 36 years old. Okay.
00:23:40 --> 00:23:43 And of course, looking, you know, looking at what I read before,
00:23:43 --> 00:23:46 it says sentenced to 26 years in federal prison.
00:23:46 --> 00:23:49 Is that the amount of time you served as well?
00:23:49 --> 00:23:53 No, I served 22 years day for day.
00:23:53 --> 00:23:59 Okay. So with the good time, that was my sentence in the federal time.
00:23:59 --> 00:24:06 You do 85% of your time and it was 22 years and I received a year halfway house,
00:24:06 --> 00:24:11 which I, you know, let me get out in 2021.
00:24:12 --> 00:24:19 Got it. Now, once that time kind of gets around 20 years, I'm sure you're,
00:24:19 --> 00:24:20 you're starting to see the light.
00:24:20 --> 00:24:23 You're probably starting to figure out
00:24:23 --> 00:24:27 what you're going to do you know after once released
00:24:27 --> 00:24:30 can you kind of tell us and and there's probably even some
00:24:30 --> 00:24:34 excitement you know some some looking forward to that I'm sure can you kind
00:24:34 --> 00:24:40 of maybe speak about maybe that last year last couple of months where you're
00:24:40 --> 00:24:48 kind of you know now instead of you know focusing on and I mean not to say you ever stop focusing on,
00:24:48 --> 00:24:50 you know, pouring into other people.
00:24:51 --> 00:24:56 But now there's a transition where, you know, you have to kind of focus on what
00:24:56 --> 00:24:59 you're going to do, you know, how you're going to move, where you're going to go.
00:25:00 --> 00:25:05 Can you kind of talk about maybe those last couple months and after you were,
00:25:05 --> 00:25:08 you know, released, like kind of what that looked like?
00:25:08 --> 00:25:13 Well, there's a thing that we say when you're incarcerated, when you get down
00:25:13 --> 00:25:19 to seven years, five years, you have this saying, well, that's already done.
00:25:19 --> 00:25:22 I can do that standing in the corner.
00:25:23 --> 00:25:30 So from the time that, you know, if you're a 20 or a 30 year sentence,
00:25:30 --> 00:25:34 when you get down to seven to five years, you're actually in your mind saying
00:25:34 --> 00:25:36 this time is already done.
00:25:36 --> 00:25:45 Sure. And I remember being interviewed by a producer for a movie that they were looking at doing.
00:25:45 --> 00:25:52 And he asked me, you know, how do you feel with these last seven years that you have left us?
00:25:52 --> 00:25:56 I'm not just looking in the eye and doing it. To me, it's already done.
00:25:56 --> 00:25:59 That's how far God has gotten me to this point.
00:26:00 --> 00:26:07 So I throw that out there just to let you know that when you've gotten 25 years
00:26:07 --> 00:26:14 and you're doing it and you're down to five years, your plan is get out,
00:26:14 --> 00:26:16 do the right thing, start building,
00:26:17 --> 00:26:21 get around positive people, start looking for the resources that are out here
00:26:21 --> 00:26:28 that will allow you to continue doing whatever plan that you put together within
00:26:28 --> 00:26:30 that five years. to seven years.
00:26:31 --> 00:26:34 In my case, I was contacted and,
00:26:35 --> 00:26:39 by several friends that were in Wilmington, Delaware. One main friend of mine
00:26:39 --> 00:26:45 was James Rose, James Ray Rose, and he was a friend, childhood friend that grew
00:26:45 --> 00:26:46 up on the West Side with me.
00:26:46 --> 00:26:51 And he had indicated to me like, you know, Barnhill, I know you,
00:26:52 --> 00:26:56 you traveled the world, you traveled the United States, you can go anywhere
00:26:56 --> 00:26:59 to live, but Wilmington, Delaware needs you.
00:27:00 --> 00:27:06 This space that you're gonna move in, I know you as Larry Keith Barnhill.
00:27:06 --> 00:27:12 I don't know you as this bank robber and all the news articles and so forth,
00:27:12 --> 00:27:16 but you have an opportunity to come back here.
00:27:16 --> 00:27:20 Your family's here. Of course, you built your roots in Miami,
00:27:20 --> 00:27:28 but your family is here, and this city could use a voice like you once you get your feet planted.
00:27:28 --> 00:27:36 So he, along with Jeffrey Starkey, they talked to me before I even came out
00:27:36 --> 00:27:40 the gate and said, look, Larry, you know, and I say, Larry, they call me Keefe,
00:27:40 --> 00:27:43 and they'll laugh, but they say, you little Keefe to me.
00:27:43 --> 00:27:48 But anyway, they said, we need you here, man, and it's going to work.
00:27:48 --> 00:27:54 So coming here, being with my family, once I did the halfway house,
00:27:54 --> 00:28:00 the support was there, And we just continually, continually to create that space
00:28:00 --> 00:28:05 to allow me to get into the reentry and help individuals.
00:28:06 --> 00:28:10 Gotcha. Okay. And I'm going to try not to steal all Dave's questions or he's
00:28:10 --> 00:28:12 going to be asking you, have you ever seen the movie?
00:28:14 --> 00:28:15 What's the name of the movie?
00:28:19 --> 00:28:23 Larry, if I ask all the questions, he's going to start asking you if you've
00:28:23 --> 00:28:24 ever seen the invitation of life.
00:28:28 --> 00:28:33 But so my, my last question now, and first, and you know, Dave told me about
00:28:33 --> 00:28:38 your story and I, to be honest, I think it's remarkable because,
00:28:38 --> 00:28:42 you know, I, I, in my mind,
00:28:43 --> 00:28:47 I can't think of people who can kind of go through what you did or what you
00:28:47 --> 00:28:52 went through and still have this like positive attitude.
00:28:53 --> 00:28:57 And, you know, like just listening to you talk, you know, like I can tell that,
00:28:57 --> 00:29:00 you know, you sound very genuine, very humble,
00:29:01 --> 00:29:06 you know, very appreciative talking about, you know, giving back in prison and,
00:29:06 --> 00:29:11 you know, not, not just serving your time, but, you know, really making an impact.
00:29:11 --> 00:29:15 And I'm sure you probably impacted probably more people than you know,
00:29:15 --> 00:29:20 because my thought pattern is there are probably people who were impacted via
00:29:20 --> 00:29:22 the people that you impacted.
00:29:22 --> 00:29:24 So, you know, not directly, but indirectly.
00:29:25 --> 00:29:33 My last question would be, so I know that, I know you talked about at one point,
00:29:33 --> 00:29:37 somebody came in the prison, they were possibly doing a documentary or some type of film.
00:29:38 --> 00:29:44 And I let Dave talk about the book. if you had advice, because there are a lot
00:29:44 --> 00:29:50 of people here now in the same situation of all different income levels who are, I think with.
00:29:52 --> 00:29:58 This Trump administration and people getting laid off at all levels of employment,
00:29:59 --> 00:30:02 you know, people's families struggling at all levels of employment.
00:30:02 --> 00:30:07 And, you know, there are a lot of people who are looking at alternative ways
00:30:07 --> 00:30:10 to, you know, survive and all that.
00:30:10 --> 00:30:14 If you had to give advice to somebody who may be in a struggling position,
00:30:15 --> 00:30:19 you know, what would that advice be? My advice would be stay the course.
00:30:20 --> 00:30:26 Whatever higher being that you believe in, you have to lean on that because
00:30:26 --> 00:30:32 that higher power is the answer.
00:30:32 --> 00:30:38 The outside noise that you may think is.
00:30:39 --> 00:30:46 Is the fix. It may be the fix, but you have to make sure it's the fix with your
00:30:46 --> 00:30:48 higher power involved in that decision-making.
00:30:49 --> 00:30:57 And be willing to step back and to just do what it do with it.
00:30:58 --> 00:31:03 Just make it do what it do, but don't try to force it to do something that it's
00:31:03 --> 00:31:05 not supposed to do, if that makes sense.
00:31:05 --> 00:31:10 And I have family members and friends that are impacted, including myself.
00:31:10 --> 00:31:17 I try to learn to live within my means, don't expect too much.
00:31:17 --> 00:31:21 And if life changes hit you, you have to lean on something.
00:31:22 --> 00:31:28 And normally that something is not that quick fix, it's the discernment.
00:31:28 --> 00:31:35 You have to discern and you have to trust in God or that higher being or high
00:31:35 --> 00:31:36 power that you believe in.
00:31:36 --> 00:31:41 You have to trust that that's the end all, not man, not woman,
00:31:42 --> 00:31:48 not a physical piece of money or object or whatever.
00:31:48 --> 00:31:52 It's just that you have to weather the storm.
00:31:53 --> 00:31:59 And if you weather the storm, you'll probably see the fruits of your patience.
00:32:00 --> 00:32:05 Which I did, you know, I, I, I weathered the storm and seeing the fruits,
00:32:05 --> 00:32:11 uh, of my patients, you know, not what I was before I, you know,
00:32:12 --> 00:32:15 lived that double life, but it's so at peace right now.
00:32:16 --> 00:32:23 Right. I see individuals, I see people get upset and, uh, things that they just
00:32:23 --> 00:32:29 can't control. And I'm like, oh, okay, well, that's not what it really is.
00:32:29 --> 00:32:35 But I know you're not going to understand it, but I'm going to give you advice. That's not what it is.
00:32:35 --> 00:32:42 Sit back and let it reveal itself. But don't make a bad decision that will cause
00:32:42 --> 00:32:47 you to then live a double life as I did 20 years. Right.
00:32:48 --> 00:32:51 That's advice I would give. Okay, thank you.
00:32:52 --> 00:32:57 Okay. All right. Well, I got a few questions that I want to ask that Leonard
00:32:57 --> 00:33:00 loves some meat on the bone for me to do so.
00:33:01 --> 00:33:05 Well, Dave, I just want to make sure you aren't going to ask him if he has seen Imitation of Life.
00:33:07 --> 00:33:10 Wait, wait, wait, Larry, have you seen Imitation of Life? No,
00:33:10 --> 00:33:13 I haven't. I haven't. I haven't seen that.
00:33:13 --> 00:33:18 Okay. Hold on, Larry. Dave's going to try to talk you into seeing it. Just say no, okay?
00:33:19 --> 00:33:24 No, no, no, no, no, no. But it might be a good movie. No, it's a great movie.
00:33:24 --> 00:33:26 And more people have seen it than not.
00:33:27 --> 00:33:30 I'm just letting you know. More people than they know.
00:33:31 --> 00:33:36 The reason that he's bringing it up, because, see, it all depends on the age demographic.
00:33:36 --> 00:33:43 Because more people have seen it that are around your age than around his age.
00:33:44 --> 00:33:49 Leonard's a young guy, so, you know, he don't understand. but you know but what
00:33:49 --> 00:33:54 i'm saying is it's an old movie it's a you know and it's but it's a deep movie
00:33:54 --> 00:33:59 and everybody in the black community that has seen it will tell you it's a great movie,
00:34:00 --> 00:34:05 so imitation of life since he brought it up oh and also i want to make a correction
00:34:05 --> 00:34:10 right quick i i gave the the call numbers for the radio for the internet radio
00:34:10 --> 00:34:17 station wrong it's 101.5 the fever with DJ ribs on Saturday at 10 o'clock.
00:34:17 --> 00:34:20 If you want to hear the replay of the show, I just realized I said that wrong.
00:34:20 --> 00:34:23 So I wanted to make that correction. Okay.
00:34:24 --> 00:34:34 So Larry, I have to be very transparent here with what I'm about to say is when
00:34:34 --> 00:34:37 I heard about the book, of course, for my mutual friend,
00:34:39 --> 00:34:42 And I can give a shout out. That's not a big, that's not a big deal. Mr.
00:34:43 --> 00:34:49 Leonard Mason, who actually was the person who was responsible for me meeting you.
00:34:50 --> 00:34:57 And, you know, I knew of you, but I knew of your brother more because he was closer to my age.
00:34:59 --> 00:35:01 And but when he when he reached out
00:35:01 --> 00:35:04 to me he told me some things and i was he
00:35:04 --> 00:35:07 was telling me about this you know book that was supposed to be coming out
00:35:07 --> 00:35:12 and a possibility of a movie and he started telling me this story and i was
00:35:12 --> 00:35:20 like my mouth dropped open i was like wow are you serious he said yeah but then
00:35:20 --> 00:35:25 you know he reached out to me and he asked me for a favor we'll get into that later,
00:35:26 --> 00:35:30 you know, and my mouth dropped open again.
00:35:30 --> 00:35:33 So, you know, and I was like, okay, all right.
00:35:34 --> 00:35:38 So, but this, this story is very compelling because I'm going to be honest with
00:35:38 --> 00:35:40 you and I'm going to be very transparent.
00:35:40 --> 00:35:43 Like I said, I am not a book reader, never had been.
00:35:43 --> 00:35:50 I think I've read two books in my whole life and I was a psychology major,
00:35:50 --> 00:35:53 you know, so, I mean, so it, You know,
00:35:54 --> 00:36:02 I just never was, books never really were able to keep my undivided attention.
00:36:03 --> 00:36:08 What I am, because I'm a very knowledgeable person, is an information ham.
00:36:09 --> 00:36:16 So when there's something I need to know or whatever, I go out there and I find out the information.
00:36:16 --> 00:36:19 And I'm good for finding it and I'm good for reporting it.
00:36:20 --> 00:36:25 So when I heard your story and I heard about this book, I said,
00:36:25 --> 00:36:26 am I going to read this book?
00:36:27 --> 00:36:33 You know, because the story was so compelling. I said, I got to know what's in this book.
00:36:34 --> 00:36:39 I heard, you know, some things, you know, I heard what was going on and whatever.
00:36:40 --> 00:36:43 And I said, OK, Dave, you got to break down and start reading it.
00:36:44 --> 00:36:46 And I started reading your book.
00:36:47 --> 00:36:53 And from the very beginning, it got me because it talked about your humble beginnings.
00:36:54 --> 00:37:01 Yes. You know, coming from Wilmington, Delaware, and going to Florida to a big
00:37:01 --> 00:37:05 school like the University of Florida, you know, that's a big deal.
00:37:05 --> 00:37:11 And to be able to have the talent to be able to get a full ride down there and
00:37:11 --> 00:37:17 go to school down there and become this track athlete and have the accolades that you did.
00:37:18 --> 00:37:25 Man, I can only imagine how that must have felt, you know, being able to get
00:37:25 --> 00:37:30 out of a small place like Delaware to go to a big place like Florida.
00:37:30 --> 00:37:34 So you got all this eye-opening going on down there.
00:37:35 --> 00:37:40 And then you hook up with, I know one of these guys was a cousin of yours,
00:37:40 --> 00:37:47 and you guys have to read the book because there's some things Larry's not saying
00:37:47 --> 00:37:55 right now that led to the decision that he had to make.
00:37:56 --> 00:38:00 To do what he ended up doing, which was the bank robberies.
00:38:00 --> 00:38:04 Cause there was a lot that led to that first. Yes. Yeah.
00:38:05 --> 00:38:08 Yeah. So you have to, you have to read, you have to get the book.
00:38:08 --> 00:38:12 You have to read the book. We got to, we got to leave. So we got to leave something.
00:38:13 --> 00:38:16 We got to leave. You know, that's why, that's why I'm saying you gotta get the
00:38:16 --> 00:38:21 book because believe me, I wouldn't know what he was talking about if I hadn't read it.
00:38:21 --> 00:38:24 You know, so I read what, I know what led there.
00:38:24 --> 00:38:30 I know what led there. So with that decision being made And you starting to
00:38:30 --> 00:38:34 do the things that you started doing with these other guys Now,
00:38:34 --> 00:38:39 oh, before I get too far, I want to ask this Now, all of these guys, are they still living?
00:38:39 --> 00:38:43 Yes Are you guys still in contact with each other?
00:38:43 --> 00:38:47 Well, no, of course, I'm in contact with my cousin Of course,
00:38:47 --> 00:38:50 family is family Yes, family is family, and that's Mr.
00:38:50 --> 00:38:56 Edward Bishop And that's the only one I'm in contact with and care to be in contact with.
00:38:56 --> 00:38:58 The other two gentlemen, I wouldn't really.
00:38:59 --> 00:39:04 Okay. So things wasn't good with y'all then, huh? Yeah. No. Okay.
00:39:05 --> 00:39:07 Okay. Now, did everybody do their time?
00:39:08 --> 00:39:12 Yeah. Okay. Some of us did it the right way. Some of us didn't.
00:39:14 --> 00:39:20 Some of us did it by, you know, what we call in there, giving up information
00:39:20 --> 00:39:21 that you shouldn't be getting. I get it.
00:39:22 --> 00:39:26 I knew where you were going with that. You knew where I was going with it. They were snitching.
00:39:26 --> 00:39:32 I would say me and my cousin would only, I'd say the two that did our time.
00:39:32 --> 00:39:35 Ah, okay. I get it. Okay.
00:39:37 --> 00:39:40 Like I said, folks, you need to read the book. You need to get this book.
00:39:41 --> 00:39:47 So, you came back to Delaware. It had to be humbling for you.
00:39:47 --> 00:39:54 Now you said just a few minutes ago That you were relieved When It all came out,
00:39:55 --> 00:40:01 But when you started seeing familiar faces who you knew knew, how did you handle that?
00:40:01 --> 00:40:04 How did you handle the questions that were being asked?
00:40:06 --> 00:40:09 Well, I've accepted it. You know, I knew who I was.
00:40:10 --> 00:40:19 I approached it different, Dave. I approached it as you are no longer this corporate
00:40:19 --> 00:40:20 guy or this successful athlete.
00:40:20 --> 00:40:24 You are a convicted felon
00:40:24 --> 00:40:27 returning citizen and i
00:40:27 --> 00:40:29 embrace that but i'm going to
00:40:29 --> 00:40:36 be a different returning citizen and convicted felon i'm gonna make a difference
00:40:36 --> 00:40:42 i didn't run away from the questions i didn't run away from the the the shame
00:40:42 --> 00:40:48 as people call it i looked at it as a mistake so I was, I was very, very comfortable.
00:40:49 --> 00:40:53 And I was able to talk about my situation as I am today.
00:40:53 --> 00:40:58 You know, someone talks about incarceration and the space that I move in.
00:40:59 --> 00:41:05 I dive right on in, you know, I, I give them the role as we call it.
00:41:06 --> 00:41:10 I'm going to give you the role. You, you, you might look at TV and you might,
00:41:10 --> 00:41:14 you know, listen to what your homeboy telling you that ain't been in there,
00:41:14 --> 00:41:16 But I'm going to give you the role.
00:41:16 --> 00:41:20 I'm going to give you the role. And I don't know it all because there's a lot
00:41:20 --> 00:41:22 of people that can give you the role.
00:41:22 --> 00:41:26 And that's not something I'm proud to say, by the way, a lot of people,
00:41:26 --> 00:41:29 because there's too many people that can give you the role as it relates to
00:41:29 --> 00:41:31 incarceration as I see it.
00:41:31 --> 00:41:35 But no, I embrace it.
00:41:36 --> 00:41:42 And I know it may sound crazy, but it is what it is. I embrace the fact that,
00:41:42 --> 00:41:44 Larry, you made a mistake, but guess what?
00:41:44 --> 00:41:46 You are living the second chance.
00:41:47 --> 00:41:54 You got to earn it. And I can look any man or woman in the eye and say,
00:41:54 --> 00:41:58 well, if it needs to be, if you need to know my story, here it is.
00:41:58 --> 00:42:05 But you don't go around just offering it. But situations and God puts you in
00:42:05 --> 00:42:10 situations to be able to tell the story and then also to be confronted by individuals
00:42:10 --> 00:42:12 who may just need to hear it.
00:42:13 --> 00:42:19 So I feel no, actually, I'm good. I own it.
00:42:20 --> 00:42:25 Yeah. There you go. There you go. All right. Let me ask this question.
00:42:25 --> 00:42:28 So you were married during the time.
00:42:28 --> 00:42:30 Yes. All of that was going on.
00:42:32 --> 00:42:36 So, do you still have a relationship? I know you were married.
00:42:37 --> 00:42:38 You said you had a child at that time, right?
00:42:39 --> 00:42:46 Yes. Well, I was not married to my son's mother. I was married on my second marriage.
00:42:47 --> 00:42:53 Yes, I was married to a young lady who knew nothing about anything that I was
00:42:53 --> 00:42:54 doing with this double life.
00:42:54 --> 00:42:59 Right. And that's what I was going to get ready to. How hard was that to be
00:42:59 --> 00:43:09 able to keep that other part of your life secret and be able to be normal with
00:43:09 --> 00:43:14 all your regular day to day activities and then,
00:43:14 --> 00:43:16 of course, do what you were doing otherwise?
00:43:17 --> 00:43:23 That's a good question, and that is very much detailed out in the book.
00:43:23 --> 00:43:29 But I'll say this, that's when all the outside forces that you end up going
00:43:29 --> 00:43:32 down all kind of roads just to maintain,
00:43:33 --> 00:43:40 to keep that away from your loved ones, people that don't know anything about you.
00:43:40 --> 00:43:45 You would do anything because you're not in the right frame of mind.
00:43:45 --> 00:43:54 And money, drugs, you just become this person who is infatuated with your own
00:43:54 --> 00:43:58 thoughts and your own bubble, but that bubble is not real.
00:43:58 --> 00:44:08 And you do anything to protect them, which I did, and to keep her away from that part of my life.
00:44:08 --> 00:44:10 So that requires some time like you
00:44:10 --> 00:44:13 say those outside forces money living this
00:44:13 --> 00:44:18 and not really just I'm
00:44:18 --> 00:44:23 trying to explain it but it's kind of it's it's kind of a fictional life you
00:44:23 --> 00:44:29 live in a fictional life just out there it's just out there going in circles
00:44:29 --> 00:44:35 but you're going in circles so that you don't let that wife, son,
00:44:35 --> 00:44:38 mother, father, brother, sister, cousin.
00:44:40 --> 00:44:43 Corporate friend, best friend, get into that circle.
00:44:43 --> 00:44:48 So you'll spin that circle and keep it tight in this fictional life. And I did that.
00:44:48 --> 00:44:55 I did everything to not let them know that's what I was involved with.
00:44:55 --> 00:45:00 And that is the hurt. That is the double life. That is the wrong.
00:45:01 --> 00:45:07 And you'll go down that road. Once you make that choice to try to protect that image that you have,
00:45:07 --> 00:45:15 you make bad choices you make bad choices well i think at some point in everyone's
00:45:15 --> 00:45:23 life they make a decision that they regret you know now so some may be you know,
00:45:24 --> 00:45:29 may be more serious than others or whatever the case may be but i think we all
00:45:29 --> 00:45:34 had those moments where we made a decision that we regret.
00:45:34 --> 00:45:40 And then sometimes those moments become teaching moments to the point that you
00:45:40 --> 00:45:43 become a better person because of that decision.
00:45:44 --> 00:45:49 Do you feel that that's happened to you? That is so true because that's part
00:45:49 --> 00:45:52 of the process that I'm going through now.
00:45:53 --> 00:45:57 As I say, people say, well, I'll never rob a bank. You know,
00:45:57 --> 00:46:03 I don't, I, you know, that's, that's the extreme, but I never thought that I would rob a bank.
00:46:04 --> 00:46:07 Even to the day, you look at me and say, oh, you're out. I do that.
00:46:08 --> 00:46:12 You know, I lay in my room sometime where I'm riding a truck. Man, how did you do that?
00:46:13 --> 00:46:20 But it's when you make that decision and I'm going to use an example, say if I,
00:46:21 --> 00:46:26 Bounce a check or write a bag check or embezzle a check.
00:46:26 --> 00:46:31 Fraud. Okay. It's just to pay my life bill. You did it once.
00:46:32 --> 00:46:38 Okay. Now something else in life comes your way, which, you know, Satan has his way of.
00:46:39 --> 00:46:42 I don't want, you know, I'm a religious guy, but I don't want to make,
00:46:42 --> 00:46:47 you know, all my conversations say that it is the devil and God,
00:46:47 --> 00:46:51 but this leads to it. And you get this other thing where a situation comes up
00:46:51 --> 00:46:53 where I can't make my car a note.
00:46:53 --> 00:46:59 Well, guess what? I bounced that check and I didn't get caught.
00:46:59 --> 00:47:03 So then now you bounce or write another check for $1.
00:47:04 --> 00:47:09 And then another situation comes your way. I need $2.
00:47:10 --> 00:47:14 And if you get the point I'm saying, you're going deeper and deeper and deeper
00:47:14 --> 00:47:21 because you don't control what comes with that. In my case, I just deal with
00:47:21 --> 00:47:24 a few drugs here and there. I'm not a drug dealer.
00:47:25 --> 00:47:32 Okay, but when you did that, you can't control what drug dealing brings.
00:47:33 --> 00:47:39 And at that opportunity, when it came to me, it was saying, all right, well, this is what we do.
00:47:39 --> 00:47:43 This is what we're going to do now. Well, you're already in.
00:47:43 --> 00:47:49 So when a person says, well, I didn't do that. I wouldn't be that bad.
00:47:49 --> 00:47:55 You never know. Well, we have domestic violence when a person starts by yelling.
00:47:55 --> 00:47:59 Then all of a sudden they're shaking. Then all of a sudden they're hitting.
00:47:59 --> 00:48:03 Because those outside forces that come with that, drinking, drugs,
00:48:03 --> 00:48:07 you got away with it once and you can't control it.
00:48:07 --> 00:48:15 So living that Making that decision first Dave and Lynn I would say Is the first.
00:48:17 --> 00:48:19 If you make the wrong decision, it's the first thing that you do.
00:48:20 --> 00:48:23 And then getting away with that decision. Now you're in.
00:48:23 --> 00:48:27 I call it, no, you're all in now. You may not think you're in.
00:48:27 --> 00:48:32 And even in today's world, we see that. I mean, a lot of times,
00:48:32 --> 00:48:37 you would never know about celebrity situations until they, what, get caught.
00:48:38 --> 00:48:44 Yeah, that's true. That's true. You would never know about or hear about the
00:48:44 --> 00:48:46 billionaires or not even a billionaire.
00:48:47 --> 00:48:51 Little Johnny on the corner or, you know, little Sarah, she's trying to make
00:48:51 --> 00:48:53 it until they what? Get caught.
00:48:53 --> 00:49:00 But they're living that life and you can't control that life.
00:49:00 --> 00:49:03 You can't control, I call it the outside forces.
00:49:03 --> 00:49:08 You could just build your little, as I mentioned, you build your little circle
00:49:08 --> 00:49:14 to help protect people or you just let it be out, but you made that choice.
00:49:14 --> 00:49:19 So I think living a double life, cheating, whether it is, you know,
00:49:19 --> 00:49:23 it may not be to get you in jail.
00:49:23 --> 00:49:27 You may not think that, but you may do something that could lead to that because
00:49:27 --> 00:49:33 you can't control that other party or you can't control that other outside forces
00:49:33 --> 00:49:37 that comes around that whole, that whole scenario,
00:49:37 --> 00:49:39 you know, being unfaithful.
00:49:39 --> 00:49:45 You can't control it. I couldn't control it once I got involved with the underworld.
00:49:46 --> 00:49:51 Criminal. Yeah. I know. You think you can.
00:49:51 --> 00:49:53 You think you're controlling it because you're looking good.
00:49:54 --> 00:49:55 You're buying whatever you want.
00:49:56 --> 00:50:01 You're driving wherever you want. But you can't control it. No. It's controlling you.
00:50:01 --> 00:50:06 It's really controlling you. Yeah. Yeah. It's out of complete control of you.
00:50:06 --> 00:50:10 Well, we just, you know, we just did the story a couple weeks ago,
00:50:10 --> 00:50:14 Leonard, about the NBA and the old cheating scandal and all those names that
00:50:14 --> 00:50:20 are coming out in reference to the mob and the the nba players and the betting
00:50:20 --> 00:50:25 yeah you know and some big names and they still haven't named everybody but
00:50:25 --> 00:50:29 then you know everybody's dropping names right now so.
00:50:29 --> 00:50:32 And i and i can assure you not to cut you off there
00:50:32 --> 00:50:35 i can assure you that they thought they
00:50:35 --> 00:50:38 was controlling their environment but they weren't controlling the bigger
00:50:38 --> 00:50:40 environment that comes with that and that's how it
00:50:40 --> 00:50:44 happens okay well folks
00:50:44 --> 00:50:47 as you can hear the story is compelling we didn't
00:50:47 --> 00:50:50 want to get too deep deep because we we need
00:50:50 --> 00:50:54 you guys to to purchase this book and
00:50:54 --> 00:50:56 and and to be able to read the
00:50:56 --> 00:50:59 story for yourselves i know you have a book release
00:50:59 --> 00:51:02 um coming up why don't you tell us about it oh yes
00:51:02 --> 00:51:06 i have a book release and signing at
00:51:06 --> 00:51:09 the east side charter school and as be happening on November
00:51:09 --> 00:51:12 the 18th from 6 to 7 30 that is
00:51:12 --> 00:51:16 the Eastside Charter School at this 300 North
00:51:16 --> 00:51:21 Claymont Street in Wilmington Delaware and we're going to have a a good sit
00:51:21 --> 00:51:27 down we'll have you know refreshments the music and we'll we'll put a program
00:51:27 --> 00:51:33 together and we'll talk about it the story and I'll be signing books.
00:51:35 --> 00:51:43 So, and you said that's from 6 to 7.30 on the 18th, okay? That's from 6 to 7.30 on November the 18th.
00:51:43 --> 00:51:49 And that's Eastside Charter. Eastside Charter School, yes. You have the address offhand. I know it's...
00:51:50 --> 00:51:56 It's 3000 North Claymont Street, Wilmington, Delaware.
00:51:57 --> 00:51:59 It's funny because I always, when I think about Eastside Charter,
00:51:59 --> 00:52:03 I always have to laugh because I went to Northeast Elementary School,
00:52:03 --> 00:52:05 which is where Eastside Charter is now.
00:52:06 --> 00:52:10 Oh, yeah. So, you know, so I grew up in that neighborhood, Riverside. So, yeah.
00:52:12 --> 00:52:17 It's a very, very, very, very exciting building.
00:52:17 --> 00:52:21 Very, very elaborate building. They got the STEM Center there.
00:52:22 --> 00:52:25 We've interviewed, we've had Aaron Bass on our show. He's been on our show.
00:52:27 --> 00:52:33 Yeah, we know Mr. Bass and Mr. Rose. I'm just honored to be able to launch this
00:52:33 --> 00:52:39 opportunity to begin to tell my story to the community at this facility,
00:52:39 --> 00:52:45 which is a blessing for me just to have that opportunity, knowing that,
00:52:45 --> 00:52:49 like you say, we know it as the Eastside and Riverside.
00:52:50 --> 00:52:56 Yeah, that's right. And if I may, you know, what is going to be great about
00:52:56 --> 00:53:04 this, when I came home and I was at the halfway house, your good friend of yours, he had me.
00:53:04 --> 00:53:07 And, you know, I'm talking about Wes, Mr. Wes Southall.
00:53:09 --> 00:53:15 Wes took me through a quick, what we call computer class over at Goodwill.
00:53:15 --> 00:53:22 So I was walking from the halfway house to Goodwill, had to be there by nine o'clock in the morning.
00:53:22 --> 00:53:27 And, you know, walking down and before I get up to Vandiver Avenue,
00:53:27 --> 00:53:32 those who know where it is, I walked through Riverside and I seen this building
00:53:32 --> 00:53:37 and I knew, you know, about the Eastside, you know, community center.
00:53:37 --> 00:53:41 And I've seen this building, and now when James and I start talking,
00:53:41 --> 00:53:49 he says, you know, Larry, I just want you to do your first signing here, and I know it'd be great.
00:53:49 --> 00:53:55 And I looked and said, James, that's perfect, because I got this energy in being
00:53:55 --> 00:53:59 able to say, oh, this would be a great place, STEM center.
00:54:00 --> 00:54:03 Charter school you got the youth uh even
00:54:03 --> 00:54:07 though it doesn't you know fit the genre
00:54:07 --> 00:54:09 as far as like you know the crime part of it
00:54:09 --> 00:54:14 but i'm looking at the positive side of it the impact that's why that's cool
00:54:14 --> 00:54:19 so yeah that's good man i'm excited well yeah that's that's awesome place to
00:54:19 --> 00:54:25 be able to to launch that book and and to do the signing i think uh i think
00:54:25 --> 00:54:29 it will be well received so So if you guys don't have anything to do on that day,
00:54:29 --> 00:54:34 make sure you get over to the Eastside Charter School and support this brother
00:54:34 --> 00:54:39 and hear his story and, you know, purchase the book, you know.
00:54:39 --> 00:54:44 And he also can tell you how else can you purchase the book at this time.
00:54:44 --> 00:54:50 Okay, well, you can go on my website. It's www.larrybonhill.com.
00:54:50 --> 00:54:53 And just follow the prompts and it'll take you all the way through everything
00:54:53 --> 00:54:59 that you need to do and understanding. It also has a great book trailer on the
00:54:59 --> 00:55:01 website that is very exciting.
00:55:02 --> 00:55:07 Okay. All right, folks. There you have it. That's his story.
00:55:07 --> 00:55:08 He's sticking to it, as you can see.
00:55:11 --> 00:55:16 So, but we're actually going to take and get into a few topics.
00:55:17 --> 00:55:22 Mr. Barrio is going to hang in with us as we go through these topics and get
00:55:22 --> 00:55:27 his opinion on a couple stories that we have for you guys today as far as what's
00:55:27 --> 00:55:29 going on in the world out there today.
00:55:29 --> 00:55:33 You know, you know, with with hearing his story and, you know,
00:55:33 --> 00:55:37 of course, knowing everything that's going on out there with the federal government
00:55:37 --> 00:55:41 and all the other stuff that's going on out there. You know, it's funny.
00:55:42 --> 00:55:45 His story happened, you know, 20 plus years ago.
00:55:46 --> 00:55:50 You know, here we are. We're still dealing with a lot of craziness in the world
00:55:50 --> 00:55:55 right now, you know, and and decisions, you know, that are being made that are
00:55:55 --> 00:55:57 leading to other decisions.
00:55:57 --> 00:56:00 And here we are so some
00:56:00 --> 00:56:03 of these stories are these stories that we're about to talk
00:56:03 --> 00:56:06 about are decisions that people are making that
00:56:06 --> 00:56:11 either could be good decisions or bad so this first story we're going to talk
00:56:11 --> 00:56:19 about is titled uh gold jim's face backlash after black woman says membership
00:56:19 --> 00:56:25 was revoked for complaining about men in the women's locker room.
00:56:26 --> 00:56:30 Now, you know, it seems like a crazy thing, but listen to the story.
00:56:30 --> 00:56:32 I'm going to read a little bit of it.
00:56:32 --> 00:56:37 So Gold Jim is facing criticism at the Los Angeles woman said her membership
00:56:37 --> 00:56:42 was terminated when she complained about a man inside the woman's locker room.
00:56:42 --> 00:56:46 The incident reportedly occurred at the company's Hollywood,
00:56:46 --> 00:56:54 California location and involved singer, songwriter Tiss Eimann known as.
00:56:55 --> 00:56:59 Social media as at listen to tish.
00:56:59 --> 00:57:06 According to Hyman, the confrontation began after she encountered the individual while undressed.
00:57:07 --> 00:57:12 Today, he saw me walk into the woman's locker room, followed me in,
00:57:12 --> 00:57:15 and called me a B-I-T-C-H.
00:57:15 --> 00:57:23 I ran out into the locker room crying and screaming. This is why we can't be
00:57:23 --> 00:57:25 quiet, because people need to know what's happening.
00:57:26 --> 00:57:30 Thank you to the men who helped me today.
00:57:30 --> 00:57:37 In a follow-up post, Hyman added, hashtag goals, Jim terminated my membership
00:57:37 --> 00:57:44 after the man was escorted out by police, then had me escorted out by officers afterwards.
00:57:45 --> 00:57:51 It was embarrassing. I left, but not before making sure everyone knew that they
00:57:51 --> 00:57:54 were allowing men in the locker room.
00:57:54 --> 00:58:01 I later expanded on the incident in a video calling the experience the worst she had ever had at a gym.
00:58:01 --> 00:58:09 I just had the worst experience ever at a gym, at Gold's Gym, she said.
00:58:09 --> 00:58:14 And I think this is probably happening at gyms across America where like trans
00:58:14 --> 00:58:20 women are in are going into the women's locker room and they're not really caring
00:58:20 --> 00:58:22 about how women feel about it.
00:58:22 --> 00:58:27 She described feeling violated and unsupported by staff after confronting the individual.
00:58:28 --> 00:58:31 The day I was naked in the locker room, I turned around and there's a man there
00:58:31 --> 00:58:37 in boys clothes, lip gloss, standing there looking at me.
00:58:38 --> 00:58:46 Butt naked she said Hyman recounted that when she questioned him he goes I don't give a effing talk.
00:58:47 --> 00:58:51 Said don't effing talk to me i'm a woman i
00:58:51 --> 00:58:57 have a right to be in here she continued immediately pissed because i'm butt
00:58:57 --> 00:59:03 naked i feel violated i feel like weird like i don't want to deal with this
00:59:03 --> 00:59:08 right so the girls are walking in and they're seeing the commotion and they
00:59:08 --> 00:59:10 actually chimed in said, yo,
00:59:10 --> 00:59:12 I don't know why he's in here.
00:59:13 --> 00:59:17 He's not supposed to be in here, Simon said.
00:59:18 --> 00:59:22 She reported the issue to the gym employees, but was told that they could only,
00:59:22 --> 00:59:24 they could file an incident report, but that's it.
00:59:25 --> 00:59:28 And then the cops were called. I'm going to stop right there.
00:59:28 --> 00:59:34 So as you can see, there were a little twists in the story there as I kept reading.
00:59:34 --> 00:59:37 You notice the twist there you heard what
00:59:37 --> 00:59:41 i said you know first they said a man right okay
00:59:41 --> 00:59:44 they said the man dressed as a woman you
00:59:44 --> 00:59:52 know so uh so you know here here we have a situation where and and and you know
00:59:52 --> 00:59:57 people that go to the gyms you know i hear all kinds of stories about people
00:59:57 --> 01:00:00 that go to the gym i know leonard is well i know he said he doesn't get there
01:00:00 --> 01:00:04 like he used to but i know leonard I used to go to the gym a lot.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:07 You know, there's a lot of stories that happened in the gyms, right, Leonard?
01:00:08 --> 01:00:11 Yeah, I'm sure. But does something like this surprise you? I mean,
01:00:11 --> 01:00:13 from your experiences in the gyms?
01:00:14 --> 01:00:16 Well, let me ask this. Dave, did you see the video?
01:00:18 --> 01:00:24 I saw a partial clip of the video, yes. Okay. And, Larry, had you heard about this story?
01:00:25 --> 01:00:29 No, I haven't heard about the story. I was too into him reading it.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:31 Yeah, so I saw the video about a couple days ago.
01:00:32 --> 01:00:35 And the only thing I can say is.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:41 And I mean, I'm trying to be politically correct because, Larry,
01:00:42 --> 01:00:44 every time I'm not politically correct, people come at Dave's neck.
01:00:46 --> 01:00:50 You know, Larry, Dave has almost got kicked off the show about three times.
01:00:52 --> 01:00:56 Because of what Leonard says. There you go.
01:00:56 --> 01:01:00 But, you know, I'm just going to go ahead and say when I saw the video,
01:01:00 --> 01:01:06 this person definitely looked like a man in women's clothes. There you go.
01:01:06 --> 01:01:15 And and what he what what they were wearing was a almost like a sports bra halter top.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:22 And and it looked like some basketball shorts. OK, but they look very much like a man.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:26 And I can understand her point of view.
01:01:27 --> 01:01:34 Especially if this person was staring at her as she was getting dressed or getting undressed.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:38 And one thing I saw in the comments that really made me say, oh, man,
01:01:38 --> 01:01:41 I never even thought about that was somebody said,
01:01:41 --> 01:01:48 if this person believes that they are a woman, then they should be sympathetic
01:01:48 --> 01:01:53 to how a woman would feel if they were in the locker room.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:59 And the quote unquote man was staring at them as they were, as Dave said, butt naked.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:03 So when I heard that part, you know, it kind of made me think a little bit differently
01:02:03 --> 01:02:10 because I understand what you identify with, but there's also some people who
01:02:10 --> 01:02:13 I'll just say truly identify.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:17 And, you know, you kind of have to be kind of have to be respectful of everybody.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:23 And I think the staring made this lady feel intimidated.
01:02:24 --> 01:02:27 I'm not so much familiar with her getting kicked out. I mean,
01:02:27 --> 01:02:28 I heard what you read, Dave.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:32 I didn't see a video on that, but of course that, that, that doesn't sound right.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:36 I don't know if there's more to that story, but that's kind of what I, I thought.
01:02:37 --> 01:02:42 Yeah. Yeah. She was definitely, the police said that she was being,
01:02:43 --> 01:02:47 you know, they, they try to say she was overreacting, but of course,
01:02:47 --> 01:02:49 you know, they always say we overreact.
01:02:49 --> 01:02:53 So, but, but, uh, Larry, you got any thoughts on this?
01:02:53 --> 01:02:59 Well, my first thought is, you know, I spent a lot of time in the gym and that
01:02:59 --> 01:03:05 I'm sympathetic to her, her position that she was put in and her feelings.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:15 As Lynn said, it's just, how would you feel if a man was staring at you and you're.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:27 You're not dressed. So to be politically correct, I understand the time that
01:03:27 --> 01:03:30 we live in, but I don't agree.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:37 I think there should be separate facilities for situations like this.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:41 And I'll just leave it like that. I don't think that it should just be,
01:03:41 --> 01:03:44 you say it and this is what it is.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:48 No, I don't agree.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:55 I agree with that. I agree with that, Stephen, by the way. I'm getting in any trouble. Yeah.
01:03:56 --> 01:04:02 Yeah. Because that's the thing. Because nowadays, man, they make it hard for you.
01:04:02 --> 01:04:08 You know, they are, you know, you know, if you say something out of line or you react a certain way,
01:04:08 --> 01:04:12 you're canceled, you know, and that's, you know, that's why these comedians
01:04:12 --> 01:04:16 are having such a hard time telling jokes anymore because they don't know what
01:04:16 --> 01:04:18 to talk about anymore, that they're not going to get canceled.
01:04:19 --> 01:04:22 You know, so many comedians have gotten canceled. So many people have gotten
01:04:22 --> 01:04:27 canceled for saying something that they truly believe, but they may not have
01:04:27 --> 01:04:29 said it the right way. You know what I mean?
01:04:30 --> 01:04:32 So yeah so but you know
01:04:32 --> 01:04:36 i just thought that was an interesting story so i'm sure
01:04:36 --> 01:04:39 if any of you guys who are listening have any comments
01:04:39 --> 01:04:43 that you want to say about that story please write into us and let us know so
01:04:43 --> 01:04:48 we can see what your opinions are towards that story is concerned we're going
01:04:48 --> 01:04:53 to move on to our next story and i thought this was a cool story single black
01:04:53 --> 01:04:57 mom of four get to the new home at the years of struggling.
01:04:58 --> 01:05:03 So Talia Mitchell, an African-American single mother of four from Cincinnati,
01:05:04 --> 01:05:10 Ohio, received the keys to her new home at the years of constant moving.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:15 The house was built through Habitat for Humanity's Women Built program,
01:05:15 --> 01:05:20 giving her family a long awaited sense of stability.
01:05:20 --> 01:05:22 For Mitchell Thursday's dedication
01:05:22 --> 01:05:28 ceremony in the Laura Price area marked the end of a long struggle.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:31 She says she broke down when she heard the news.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:36 I broke down crying because like God is really making it happen,
01:05:36 --> 01:05:39 she told the Cincinnati Enquirer.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:45 You see, Mitchell's family often had to relocate because of her children's special
01:05:45 --> 01:05:48 needs. Her two-year-old son has autism.
01:05:49 --> 01:05:52 Another son has ADHD, she said.
01:05:53 --> 01:05:56 They stem at certain times of the night.
01:05:56 --> 01:06:01 So when I got this opportunity, it was like, okay, I'm going to go ahead and move forward.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:07 I'm going to go on with it. While juggling two health care jobs and caring for
01:06:07 --> 01:06:12 her children, Mitchell also found time to pursue a nursing program.
01:06:12 --> 01:06:19 She said owning a home means her family can finally settle down after years of uncertainty.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:24 The Habitat for Humanity of Greater Cincinnati partnered with Bank of America
01:06:24 --> 01:06:27 and other community sponsors to build Mitchell's home.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:31 The home dedication is the culmination of all the work.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:38 It was what we do and what we're focusing on in creating those first-time home-buying
01:06:38 --> 01:06:42 opportunities for families across our region.
01:06:42 --> 01:06:47 The Women's Build program brings together groups of women to construct homes for single mothers.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:53 It's a place where hopes, dreams, and desires come true, a representative said,
01:06:53 --> 01:06:58 expressing that Mitchell and her children will continue to reach new goals in their home.
01:06:59 --> 01:07:02 Mitchell also joined the building process, helping with painting,
01:07:03 --> 01:07:06 hanging drawers, and drywall.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:10 Drywall she she said she
01:07:10 --> 01:07:13 looked forward to celebrating her son's birthday and christmas in
01:07:13 --> 01:07:16 their new home and milestone once thought was
01:07:16 --> 01:07:19 out of reach now you know
01:07:19 --> 01:07:22 that's a great story and i know larry i know you
01:07:22 --> 01:07:25 work with wilmington alliance and you
01:07:25 --> 01:07:28 know you know that and you know
01:07:28 --> 01:07:34 getting housing and finding housing for families like this one you know and
01:07:34 --> 01:07:40 and and being able to help realize someone's dreams of finding housing stability
01:07:40 --> 01:07:45 is something that's very important these days because we have so many people who are.
01:07:46 --> 01:07:51 Know, don't have homes and are unable to keep a stable home.
01:07:51 --> 01:07:55 What's your thoughts about this story? Oh, it's a great story.
01:07:55 --> 01:07:59 And as you mentioned, yes, the Women's Alliance,
01:07:59 --> 01:08:08 we have a program that through an important pipeline with Christiana Care and
01:08:08 --> 01:08:13 also with Delmarva and Renata Kavalkich,
01:08:13 --> 01:08:21 she is a very, very like fearless advocate in terms of understanding the individuals
01:08:21 --> 01:08:27 getting back to work and having those barriers met and one of those barriers that the one to alliance.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:33 We handle is our housing support i can give you a story about a young lady who
01:08:33 --> 01:08:40 we've gotten her job and she she was working she's doing great but one of her
01:08:40 --> 01:08:42 barriers was to get in that stable housing.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:52 And we use all our resources to help individuals find sustainable housing coming
01:08:52 --> 01:08:56 out of that hotel living and things of that nature.
01:08:56 --> 01:09:01 But the Women's Alliance, we are all in and supporting individuals.
01:09:01 --> 01:09:05 Now, housing is one of those situations where we can't do it all.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:06 We know we can't do it all.
01:09:06 --> 01:09:11 But Renata has made it to her business, as I can say.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:15 And one of the things in the area of workforce development that she's given
01:09:15 --> 01:09:19 me the opportunity to work in, she supports that and I support that.
01:09:19 --> 01:09:26 And hearing stories like this, it just makes you go, wow, if only these multi-billionaires
01:09:26 --> 01:09:28 could just provide these housing services.
01:09:30 --> 01:09:33 You know, affordable housing, I think the problem would be fixed,
01:09:33 --> 01:09:38 but that's asking too much. And I'll stop there because I could go on and on.
01:09:38 --> 01:09:43 Yeah. I know. I know. We all could go on and on when we start talking about them. Yeah.
01:09:44 --> 01:09:47 No wonder all of us are now robbing banks right now. But go ahead,
01:09:47 --> 01:09:49 Leonard. What's your thoughts on it?
01:09:49 --> 01:09:53 Yes. I mean, same thing. You know, I think definitely, you know,
01:09:54 --> 01:10:00 a lovely gift. And, you know, I think that would be ideal for anybody.
01:10:01 --> 01:10:05 Yeah, definitely. I like to have that gift myself.
01:10:07 --> 01:10:13 That's a good gift. Yeah, great gift. Yeah. So, all right. All right.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:18 Leonard, I think we got one more story. Yeah. So this was actually a story that
01:10:18 --> 01:10:21 I saw right before we came on here and I thought it was interesting. thing.
01:10:22 --> 01:10:26 And so Dave, I'll, I'll ask you since you're a deacon at, you know,
01:10:26 --> 01:10:31 your church and, you know, a man of God and, you know, you live by his example
01:10:31 --> 01:10:33 in every single way, every single day,
01:10:35 --> 01:10:36 but, um.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:45 Yep. So with that said, if, if you happen to be at your church and let's say
01:10:45 --> 01:10:52 it it was a Saturday and the phone rang and there was some, there was a lady on the phone.
01:10:52 --> 01:10:58 You heard a baby crying in the background and she, and she stated to you that
01:10:58 --> 01:11:02 her baby has not had any food since the night before.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:09 Can you, can she come by and pick up some baby food or diapers or whatever supplies?
01:11:11 --> 01:11:12 What would you say to her?
01:11:13 --> 01:11:16 Well, first of all, make sure that this was a legit call.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:23 And that is, you know, because right now, you know, we got so many things that are scams right now.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:32 So, you know, but if I'm able to decipher whether this is legit or not, I'm going to.
01:11:33 --> 01:11:38 Now, depending on where I am at the time, I mean, you know, you're at the church.
01:11:38 --> 01:11:42 So you're definitely meaning that I'm at the church.
01:11:43 --> 01:11:45 You picked up the phone there. Okay. Yeah.
01:11:46 --> 01:11:51 Well, you know, so with that being said, I would tell her, you know,
01:11:52 --> 01:11:54 well, I would ask if she has the capability to come by.
01:11:55 --> 01:11:59 And if she doesn't, then I would, I would be, I would try to get some things
01:11:59 --> 01:12:01 together for her and take it to wherever she was.
01:12:02 --> 01:12:07 Good answer. And see, Dave, Larry, this is why this is why Dave is a man of
01:12:07 --> 01:12:10 God. And, you know, he's one of my role models right there.
01:12:12 --> 01:12:18 But the reason why I asked it, there was a girl on TikTok and I'm actually curious to watch.
01:12:18 --> 01:12:28 So she called or at least as of the story I read, she called 42 churches in the United States.
01:12:28 --> 01:12:31 All the churches were spread out you
01:12:31 --> 01:12:34 know all over you know not just all in one city or
01:12:34 --> 01:12:37 one state they were spread out she recorded
01:12:37 --> 01:12:41 video recorded each call she let
01:12:41 --> 01:12:43 people know the names of the churches too so you
01:12:43 --> 01:12:50 know like she it was full disclosure and she had and for her kind of like it
01:12:50 --> 01:12:56 was a social experiment for her she had the sound of a baby crying in the background
01:12:56 --> 01:13:02 and she pretty much said the same script to everybody that her baby had not eaten since yesterday.
01:13:02 --> 01:13:06 She doesn't have any money. She doesn't have, you know, any food.
01:13:07 --> 01:13:12 Do they have any food? Can she come by and get something out of those?
01:13:12 --> 01:13:18 And Dave, I know you said about the scam. When I listened to one of the videos, it sounded legit.
01:13:18 --> 01:13:24 You know, like if if someone called and And I heard like I heard her voice and what she said.
01:13:24 --> 01:13:29 I would feel bad about doubting it or questioning it because it just sounded so legit.
01:13:30 --> 01:13:36 Dave, out of these 42 churches that she called, how many of these churches do
01:13:36 --> 01:13:38 you think offered to provide help?
01:13:39 --> 01:13:44 It's funny now that you said all of that, you know, I'm thinking it was,
01:13:44 --> 01:13:46 I'm thinking it's probably three.
01:13:47 --> 01:13:50 Okay. Larry, what about yourself? How many of these 42 churches,
01:13:51 --> 01:13:53 white, black, you know, she, she called a variety.
01:13:53 --> 01:13:58 How many of these 42 churches do you think offered assistance?
01:13:58 --> 01:14:04 I'm going to say 15. Okay. So the, the answer is actually in the middle.
01:14:04 --> 01:14:09 There were nine churches that offered assistance out of the 42.
01:14:11 --> 01:14:17 Now, where it goes a little viral is because, of course, she recorded the phone
01:14:17 --> 01:14:23 calls and it's video, so she's videotaping herself as she's calling the church.
01:14:23 --> 01:14:25 She's saying the name of the church, the city.
01:14:26 --> 01:14:30 The people who go to some of these churches where the, I guess,
01:14:30 --> 01:14:37 the church office did not provide assistance are giving their churches the business.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:43 Wow. Yeah, they are criticizing their church because, you know,
01:14:43 --> 01:14:46 of course, they're going in there, they're paying tithes, offerings.
01:14:46 --> 01:14:50 A lot of these churches have food pantries and stuff like that given. Right.
01:14:51 --> 01:14:55 And one church in particular, and I'm not going to say the name just because
01:14:55 --> 01:14:58 I don't remember what it is, but I did see it on social media.
01:14:59 --> 01:15:00 It was a black church.
01:15:01 --> 01:15:05 And he got a lot of flack from his members about them not giving.
01:15:06 --> 01:15:12 And instead of him maybe being humble and, you know, apologetic,
01:15:12 --> 01:15:20 he went on social media and he called this lady a demon who is trying to scam
01:15:20 --> 01:15:23 the church and, you know, all this stuff.
01:15:23 --> 01:15:27 But overall, I just thought the story was very interesting. thing i'm trying
01:15:27 --> 01:15:33 to think if somebody you know if someone called the campgrounds where i work,
01:15:34 --> 01:15:40 and asked about food they didn't be honest i'm not i mean i would want to help
01:15:40 --> 01:15:45 i'm just i'm not sure what i would do i don't know what you would do you're gonna say no right away.
01:15:48 --> 01:15:52 He's not going to say no. Dave. David.
01:15:54 --> 01:15:57 The campground where you work. No, the campground where you own.
01:15:57 --> 01:16:05 Yeah, I mean, it feels like I work there because I'm a slave to the business.
01:16:05 --> 01:16:08 But long story short, you know, I think it's one of the things you never know
01:16:08 --> 01:16:09 what you would do in that situation.
01:16:10 --> 01:16:14 But I was a little surprised that more churches didn't.
01:16:15 --> 01:16:18 Do more and i'm actually curious to go on tiktok and
01:16:18 --> 01:16:20 listen to more of the videos but yeah i'm going
01:16:20 --> 01:16:23 to listen to it myself the down that you mentioned it yeah i'm
01:16:23 --> 01:16:27 definitely going to look for yep so if you have the link send it to me so i
01:16:27 --> 01:16:32 can listen to that but i'm curious to hear what they sound like a good good
01:16:32 --> 01:16:37 story to yeah yeah that's yeah that's one that's a yeah that's definitely something
01:16:37 --> 01:16:43 to check out and see because today with the way that people react to things and so forth,
01:16:43 --> 01:16:47 you know, we always got these polls and all these different things that people take nowadays.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:54 And that was really actually ingenious of the person to do because there's so
01:16:54 --> 01:16:57 much that we, what's going on with the churches these days.
01:16:57 --> 01:17:01 And, you know, we just had the thing with Marvin Winans, you know,
01:17:01 --> 01:17:05 the $2 line thing that went on a couple of weeks ago.
01:17:05 --> 01:17:08 And, you know, you heard, you heard about that larry
01:17:08 --> 01:17:11 yes i heard about that yeah yeah you know
01:17:11 --> 01:17:14 and you know and we over the
01:17:14 --> 01:17:17 years i'm you know i told you that me and leonard been
01:17:17 --> 01:17:20 doing this show now starting our fifth year we've had
01:17:20 --> 01:17:26 we've done many uh stories about the church and these pastors who you know because
01:17:26 --> 01:17:31 they're all you know they're in their prosperity ways you know you know and
01:17:31 --> 01:17:37 how much money and everything is being asked for and so forth. So I could see.
01:17:38 --> 01:17:42 You know, somebody taking it and doing a poll like this and trying to find out
01:17:42 --> 01:17:45 how many people would help. And I'm not surprised it's less than 10.
01:17:46 --> 01:17:49 I'm not at all that it's less than 10. Because that, you know,
01:17:50 --> 01:17:53 when you started saying everything you said, I said, oh, it's less than 10. I know it's less than 10.
01:17:54 --> 01:17:59 So, but, hey, this is the world we live in now, man, and this is where we are.
01:17:59 --> 01:18:02 So, yeah, it's a shame.
01:18:02 --> 01:18:06 It really is. You would think that, if I can chime in here, you would think
01:18:06 --> 01:18:12 that most of the churches have an outreach, community outreach program that
01:18:12 --> 01:18:16 feeds the community they're operating in.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:20 I mean, and most of their constituents, they understand that.
01:18:20 --> 01:18:26 So that call should be like a daily call, regular call.
01:18:26 --> 01:18:33 Like, we know someone needs help with food. Okay, we can direct you to whoever's
01:18:33 --> 01:18:37 in charge of our food ministry program. I mean, most churches now.
01:18:38 --> 01:18:42 Yeah, and most of them have, like, my church has a pantry. I mean,
01:18:42 --> 01:18:45 we're a small church. We're a small church. We're not a big church.
01:18:46 --> 01:18:51 But we have a food pantry. I mean, and people know that we have it.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:55 And so, and we're always giving out food. Yeah.
01:18:56 --> 01:19:02 You know, I don't understand why churches would say no. I just don't get it. You know, so.
01:19:03 --> 01:19:07 But, you know, like I said, man, it's the world we live in. It's the world we are.
01:19:08 --> 01:19:11 All right. Well, that brings us
01:19:11 --> 01:19:14 to our last thing that we're going to talk about, which is Dave's Corner.
01:19:14 --> 01:19:17 Leonard's favorite part of the show, by the way. He likes Dave's Corner for
01:19:17 --> 01:19:19 some reason, even though it's called Dave's Corner.
01:19:20 --> 01:19:25 So this is where we normally ask philosophical questions or questions that make
01:19:25 --> 01:19:27 you go, that type of stuff.
01:19:27 --> 01:19:33 But I was looking at something on TV the other day, and it made me want to ask
01:19:33 --> 01:19:37 this, and they were talking about our favorite subject to talk about, Donald Trump.
01:19:38 --> 01:19:45 Sorry for me to say President Trump. But anyway, and it was a poll that they had taken on him.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:50 And so I want to get your guys' opinion of this question here.
01:19:50 --> 01:19:54 What grade do you give the President of the United
01:19:54 --> 01:19:57 states in the following categories and of
01:19:57 --> 01:20:02 course these are the letter grades um a through f and this is sort of like the
01:20:02 --> 01:20:08 poll that i i saw the other day but it's okay so these are the these are the
01:20:08 --> 01:20:14 categories foreign policies larry what's your what letter grade do you give them.
01:20:15 --> 01:20:19 I'm going to give him a D. Okay. Do you have a reason for that?
01:20:20 --> 01:20:34 My reason would be I think he's too not forthcoming with the countries of their needs.
01:20:34 --> 01:20:39 He's just concerned with it's all about America, which I understand,
01:20:39 --> 01:20:42 but you don't have to be out front with it.
01:20:42 --> 01:20:48 I think he can be more what I could call diplomatic and more inclusive or more
01:20:48 --> 01:20:52 like collaborative to get the things that we need in America.
01:20:52 --> 01:20:54 I just don't like his approach.
01:20:54 --> 01:20:56 And that's just my opinion.
01:20:57 --> 01:21:00 Okay. And that's all that matters. Leonard, what's your thoughts?
01:21:01 --> 01:21:05 I'm going to give him an F for fantastic.
01:21:06 --> 01:21:07 Fantastically failing.
01:21:10 --> 01:21:13 Okay. All right. and
01:21:13 --> 01:21:18 and i'm just gonna follow that up saying i think the whole world hates him yeah
01:21:18 --> 01:21:25 yeah yeah no yeah well and you know what i and i agree i agree with i i agree
01:21:25 --> 01:21:29 i was going to give a d2 but i think i think a f is it's perfect i'm gonna tell
01:21:29 --> 01:21:32 you why i'm gonna say i'm gonna say f because,
01:21:32 --> 01:21:35 he wants everything to be about him you know he's doing
01:21:35 --> 01:21:38 the stuff that he's doing with this
01:21:38 --> 01:21:42 foreign policy is only to make himself look good that's all he's doing it for
01:21:42 --> 01:21:47 you know you know so he can say i saved the world that's what it's about you
01:21:47 --> 01:21:52 know so all right okay leonard i'll start with you on this next one economy
01:21:52 --> 01:21:56 what's your grade for the economy i'm going to say a d,
01:21:58 --> 01:21:59 okay is your reason,
01:22:00 --> 01:22:06 I'm going to say government shutdown, SNAP benefits, price of eggs,
01:22:07 --> 01:22:11 the remodeling of the White House, grand ball.
01:22:12 --> 01:22:16 Yeah, I'm going to say those things. Okay.
01:22:17 --> 01:22:21 All right. Larry, what's your thoughts? I'm going to say a big fat F.
01:22:24 --> 01:22:29 Because everything that eight nine ten months ago however long it was,
01:22:30 --> 01:22:34 we're supposed to see this big increase well i
01:22:34 --> 01:22:37 have not seen that increase and and yeah that's
01:22:37 --> 01:22:40 all i'll say about that we know we
01:22:40 --> 01:22:46 know who got the increase it wasn't exactly and i have to agree i'm i'm going
01:22:46 --> 01:22:50 right there with you guys and for all the reasons that you guys said i am i'm
01:22:50 --> 01:22:58 in agreement totally with that you know okay all right larry the next one likability,
01:22:59 --> 01:23:11 are you asking whether okay well no no no no not personally that no this would
01:23:11 --> 01:23:15 you feel overall okay overall his likability,
01:23:16 --> 01:23:19 that's a hard one day because you know you get what right now
01:23:19 --> 01:23:25 you got you know you got two sides you got you got the left right i'm gonna
01:23:25 --> 01:23:30 i'm i'm on the left you know all i can speak for me is like there's no likability
01:23:30 --> 01:23:37 there okay all right okay so that's another f i take it okay all right um what'd you say letter,
01:23:38 --> 01:23:43 So I'm going to go general. I'm not going to go my personal opinion because he'd fail.
01:23:45 --> 01:23:49 But I'm still going to give him a D. I think more of the people now,
01:23:49 --> 01:23:53 I feel like even the people who like them,
01:23:53 --> 01:23:58 you know, like let's say all these immigrants and, you know,
01:23:59 --> 01:24:01 the likability definitely has gone down with them.
01:24:02 --> 01:24:07 So I'm going to give him an overall D for likability. But personally, I give him an F minus.
01:24:09 --> 01:24:16 I should have chose that That was a great answer I should have chose that F
01:24:16 --> 01:24:21 minus, I like that too I'm going to say a D minus Because,
01:24:22 --> 01:24:29 What makes people like him Is how stupid I can't say that word How people like
01:24:29 --> 01:24:35 to laugh at him I'm going to say D minus Because he does give you moments Where you're laughing So,
01:24:35 --> 01:24:37 you know, so I'm going to say a D minus.
01:24:38 --> 01:24:43 Okay. Leonard, when it comes to race relations, what's your grade for that?
01:24:45 --> 01:24:49 You know how back in the day when you take a test, your teacher is like,
01:24:49 --> 01:24:52 well, at least you'll get 20 points for putting your name on the paper.
01:24:55 --> 01:24:58 I don't even think he put his name on the paper. How'd you put it like that?
01:25:00 --> 01:25:06 So i take it as an f then another f minus or whatever way you want to put it right there,
01:25:07 --> 01:25:13 okay larry uh straight f minus i get the case to say that i think we i think
01:25:13 --> 01:25:17 we all i think we're all going to say f minus on this one you know he just does
01:25:17 --> 01:25:23 not seem to care about like michael once said they don't care about us you know
01:25:23 --> 01:25:25 what i mean yeah there you go so So,
01:25:26 --> 01:25:32 all right, and the last one for you guys is overall job as Otis,
01:25:32 --> 01:25:35 who wants to go first on that one.
01:25:37 --> 01:25:42 I'll jump out there. Overall job, I think he's doing a poor job as leader of
01:25:42 --> 01:25:43 this country, of the free world.
01:25:44 --> 01:25:48 Everything, like you said, is about him. It's not about the people.
01:25:48 --> 01:25:55 And if it is about the people, it's only about a certain type of people, if I can say.
01:25:55 --> 01:25:58 And I live right there. Okay.
01:25:59 --> 01:26:05 Leonard? Dave, I know you're not a psychic, but I'm feeling some psychic abilities from you.
01:26:08 --> 01:26:12 Did I know what you're going to say? Yeah. Go ahead and say it anyway.
01:26:13 --> 01:26:15 Well, no, I'm not going to say it because I want to...
01:26:17 --> 01:26:22 Okay. All right. I want to give him the F word. I know you do.
01:26:22 --> 01:26:24 I know you do. I know you do. Okay.
01:26:26 --> 01:26:32 Yeah, he... I think he has one thing that he wants to do because he's president
01:26:32 --> 01:26:36 of the United States, and that's win that Nobel Peace Prize because that would
01:26:36 --> 01:26:39 just give him the I told you so,
01:26:39 --> 01:26:43 you know, you know, I'm the man and all of this kind of stuff because that's
01:26:43 --> 01:26:47 the only thing I think he's trying to set himself up to do is to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
01:26:48 --> 01:26:54 And again, it's all about him, you know, it's all about him. But he's done as far as a,
01:26:55 --> 01:26:59 job as president, definitely a F minus again. So for me, so,
01:26:59 --> 01:27:01 so there you have it, folks.
01:27:01 --> 01:27:05 That's our grades. I'm sure, I don't know if your grades were top of our grades,
01:27:05 --> 01:27:09 but you know, overall, I think he got an F from us overall. So,
01:27:09 --> 01:27:10 you know, what can we say?
01:27:11 --> 01:27:16 Yeah, I think so. I think so. And Dave, now I did get an F, but we got to tell him, do not repeat.
01:27:16 --> 01:27:20 Do not repeat. Please do, please do not come back in 28.
01:27:20 --> 01:27:25 Please don't do it. Please, please. Yes. We got to find somebody to beat him. We definitely do.
01:27:27 --> 01:27:31 But anyway, Larry, I want to give you one more opportunity to go ahead and say
01:27:31 --> 01:27:38 about your book signing again so we can make sure that people remember to come out that day.
01:27:38 --> 01:27:45 So definitely get that date and the address and where it's going to be and give
01:27:45 --> 01:27:47 your website where everybody can go and purchase your books.
01:27:48 --> 01:27:52 And in case anybody wants to get in contact with you the best contact information.
01:27:53 --> 01:27:59 Okay. I appreciate that, Dave. And let me say first, thank you gentlemen for
01:27:59 --> 01:28:02 having me and having this robust conversation.
01:28:02 --> 01:28:07 Let me be myself and meeting you in my space. And that's what this is all about.
01:28:07 --> 01:28:17 But as we talk about the book signing, yes, it is November the 18th at 6 to 7.30 p.m.
01:28:17 --> 01:28:23 And it'll be held at the Eastside Charter School, which is 3000 North Clamont
01:28:23 --> 01:28:25 Street, Montenegro, Delaware, 19802.
01:28:26 --> 01:28:27 And if you need information to
01:28:27 --> 01:28:35 contact about the event, just contact controlmoovedominant at gmail.com.
01:28:35 --> 01:28:44 And to find out more information about the book, you can go on www.larrybonhill.com and follow the website.
01:28:44 --> 01:28:51 And hopefully you can make it out Tuesday and spend some time with us that evening. Just stop by.
01:28:54 --> 01:28:58 Well, there you have it, folks. And please, I mean, if you can make it out that
01:28:58 --> 01:29:05 day, please go out and support this brother and, you know, purchase a book and read about this story.
01:29:05 --> 01:29:11 I'm telling you, I'm not a book reader, but I started reading this book and I've been reading it.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:16 I said, I'm going to get through this thing. So, you know, plus I have a reason
01:29:16 --> 01:29:25 to get through it because, you know, because, you know, somebody got a shout out in the book.
01:29:25 --> 01:29:29 So, you know, if you read long enough, you might see a familiar name in there.
01:29:30 --> 01:29:30 That's all I'm going to say.
01:29:37 --> 01:29:42 You're definitely part of the journey. You were part of the journey of one of
01:29:42 --> 01:29:46 the questions you asked, how do you make it and how do you get to where you
01:29:46 --> 01:29:48 are now? And I really appreciate that.
01:29:49 --> 01:29:53 You've done for me everything that you continue to do for me and checking
01:29:53 --> 01:29:55 on me Dave and I say that from the bottom of my
01:29:55 --> 01:30:00 heart because it's like I said it takes gentlemen like you and of course I can
01:30:00 --> 01:30:07 name so many on this show but since I'm on the show with you I can really attest
01:30:07 --> 01:30:12 that you you you're a real trooper you and help me continue to do what I do
01:30:12 --> 01:30:15 and I never forget the words that you told me.
01:30:16 --> 01:30:19 Remember, people believe it in you, so don't let them batten.
01:30:19 --> 01:30:22 I don't know if you remember telling me that. I remember. I do.
01:30:22 --> 01:30:25 I do remember. I was getting ready to take a job.
01:30:25 --> 01:30:28 You remember that? I was getting ready to take the job with the Wilmington Alliance,
01:30:28 --> 01:30:30 and I interviewed with Dr.
01:30:30 --> 01:30:36 Hera and Renata, and they were giving me the opportunity, and you said to me,
01:30:36 --> 01:30:40 Larry, you're moving, and you're giving the opportunity,
01:30:40 --> 01:30:45 but you gotta remember people believe in you and that stuck with me and it's
01:30:45 --> 01:30:50 gonna stick with me until the day I leave this earth and additional I appreciate
01:30:50 --> 01:30:53 it and I thank you for taking the time to,
01:30:54 --> 01:30:58 to put me to give me a shout out in your book you didn't have to do that you
01:30:58 --> 01:31:03 know I did you know I'm gonna say this to the people that are listening.
01:31:05 --> 01:31:07 When the mutual friend of ours Mr.
01:31:08 --> 01:31:12 Mason reached out to me I don't know how much you know about the conversation
01:31:12 --> 01:31:14 he and I had, Larry, about you.
01:31:15 --> 01:31:21 But he said to me, you know, there's a gentleman who, you know,
01:31:21 --> 01:31:24 he started telling me your story about just getting, you know,
01:31:24 --> 01:31:26 out of prison, that you were in a halfway house at the time.
01:31:27 --> 01:31:30 And, you know, and that you were looking for a job and whatever.
01:31:31 --> 01:31:35 And he said, Dave, he said, is there anything you can do to help this young man get some work?
01:31:36 --> 01:31:39 Know and he starts telling me the story and i'm like wait hold on you asked
01:31:39 --> 01:31:42 me to help you know help this guy get a
01:31:42 --> 01:31:45 job he's just getting out of prison and all this stuff and then
01:31:45 --> 01:31:48 leonard said no no no no he said
01:31:48 --> 01:31:54 let me tell you dave you know and he started telling me about you and you know
01:31:54 --> 01:31:57 about your character and all this stuff and he said do you think i would be
01:31:57 --> 01:32:01 talking to you if i didn't believe in this guy myself and that's all he had
01:32:01 --> 01:32:08 to say to me and so i told and i told I told Leonard, I said, uh, okay.
01:32:09 --> 01:32:15 Ain't no more. And within, I think it was another week or so,
01:32:15 --> 01:32:17 within a week, you got a phone call, right? Yes, I did.
01:32:18 --> 01:32:23 A phone call from Mr. West Southall. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
01:32:23 --> 01:32:26 And you've been doing your thing ever since.
01:32:27 --> 01:32:32 So I'm glad that I wasn't, you know, well, I'm glad that what Leonard said to
01:32:32 --> 01:32:38 me stuck in a way that I never thought I was going to regret it.
01:32:38 --> 01:32:44 And You have not let me regret it. So I appreciate that. And thank you. Thank you very much.
01:32:45 --> 01:32:49 I appreciate you. Yeah. All right. I appreciate you as well.
01:32:49 --> 01:32:53 So, but then thank you for taking the time to come on our show.
01:32:54 --> 01:32:59 And we really appreciate it. Folks, make sure you support this brother.
01:32:59 --> 01:33:05 Like I said, if you can make it to the book signing and purchase the books or
01:33:05 --> 01:33:07 go online and purchase the books.
01:33:07 --> 01:33:10 I know Amazon is everywhere. So you should be able to get it.
01:33:10 --> 01:33:14 And once you once you pick it up, I'm telling you, you're not going to put it down.
01:33:15 --> 01:33:18 You know, I'm not a book reader. Like I said, I haven't put it down yet.
01:33:18 --> 01:33:23 I'm getting through it. So so once again, sir, thank you. Thank you again.
01:33:24 --> 01:33:28 And with that being said, we're going to thank everybody for listening.
01:33:28 --> 01:33:35 We'll be back with you again next Tuesday and have a great night and we'll talk to you soon.
01:33:44 --> 01:33:49 Tune in next week, ladies and gentlemen, for another edition of News and Trends
01:33:49 --> 01:33:51 with your hosts, Dave and Lynn.