Public Relations Management Entrepreneur ParisNicole Payton

Baby, you are already know. We talked week these after the talk on the BPPMLP Philadelphia, one of six point five left and we talked week these after the talk with your boy Charles Gregan and beautiful Laurence Sizzle. We got Lady Start definitely in the building today in the building definitely you're here, right, So there you go, ladies and gentlemen, we have someone between my gremindist amount of respect for again. We got a gym pat show that I'm super excited about. And we want to talk a little bit about some of the things that you know, when we talk about just entrepreneurship, some of the necessary thing as it relates to, you know, our people doing service to the community and some of the you know, dynamic people that are out there doing some dynamic things. Without further d say, so, who do we have today? Who do we have today? So when I tell you we have the pleasure of having Philly's own doctor, Paris Nicole Peyton in the building. She has been heavy in these streets, okay. She is a communications director of sports executive publicists and marketing strategists. She helps sports and entertainment public figures, influencers, small businesses and nonprofits create a customized, result driven plan of action for brand visibility and media exposure. In January nineteen ninety, doctor Peyton established the PMP Agency, which is an independent mobile, public relations and media and management agency. Doctor Peyton was a volunteer ambassador for the National Football League Super Bowl Host Committee. She is the publicist of NFL Player Engagement for the NFL sanctioned Super Bowl Gospel Celebration. In two thousand and five, Parsonical earned recognition when she introduced and obtained the national publication Fatherhood and the NFL I'm So in Love with That with Diane Sears, editor in chief of Philadelphia BSI International, Inc. And she arranged a discussion forum for mister Samuel McNabb, president of the National Football Players Player Father's Association and father of Donovan McNabb, former Philadelphia Eagles quarterback, with Paul Spicer formerly Jacksonville Jaguars defensive end. So she has been featured in so many national publications, Showcase Magazine, The Network Journal, Game Sports Magazine, and blog websites. In addition, she has been a public speaker and invited to several local and national radio television broadcasts including Doctor Oz Show, Fox twenty nine, CBS, Philly b Et, and more, podcast, sports and entertainment seminars and conference panels. Welcome to the show. Please put your hands together for doctor Paris Nicole Payton. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. Who is that you? Is my time to be in the frontier. As our told my players, you know, I will no longer be behind the helmet or behind the bench, but I will stand with you on the field for sure. For sure. I love that. I loved that. So let's talk from the beginning what really got you into sports? You know that's you know, women to a degree don't necessarily lean towards especially when you talk about men's sports, right, Um, So let's talk a little bit about that and you having fulfilling the agency to go in there and support, you know, your brothers and do your work within that sector. Yeah, because I love sports. I know, well, sports was not my love at all. Sports chose me. Okay. I was in the entertainment industry. Radio. I did radio. I was a radio personality on WPEB, which was at forty off of forty fifth and Chestnut, right around the school, around a corner from my high school. West Catholic Girls. I interned there. Then I became a radio personality and I was interviewing all of the upcoming um artists, Philadelphia artists at the time, such as you know Eest Larry lair Um, Unfortunately, Couc Steady b you know that whole era, Will Smith, all of those guys, right, great, yeah, school d So I knew everybody before they became who they are today. So entertainment was my first love. I was on dancing or an air for several years as a dancer. In the middle I became an assistant production production assistant, and then I did One House Street as well, and then I went into management, entertainment management. I was managing local artists in the Philadelphia, Delaware in New York area and I was doing extremely well. Was like one of the first female managers in the Philadelphia market, which was very difficult. The guys did not like that because, as you know, the music industry is very male dominant as well as sports. Make a very long story short, my dream was um put to rest when an artist, a Philadelphia artist, did some very bad business ethics with a major label that we were getting ready to sign the next day, and I got a call that there was some illegal stuff going on with this female artist, and I was heartbroken and I had to pull the deal off the table. And I'm not on the name who got the deal, but she's very well known Grammy artist. She got she took that place, so I was very hurt. Um. I was on the scene with before everybody became famous. Jill Scott, Vivica Green, Um, all of you know, music soul child, we were all in that circle. They had their managers right the five spot around the corner. So so I had no connection with sports. I didn't know any player. I knew a few that you know, came onto the music scene. You know, maybe they were dating a friend of mine, or you know, they were just around, you know, the Eagle players at the time. Hollis Thomas, who used to play for the Philadelphia Eagles, came to me and say, listen, I don't really know you. I just see you on your grind. You're doing your thing. You're doing all these entertainment conferences in the Philadelphia area. How used to intern with Dianna Williams when the largest i AMC conference was here in Philadelphia for several years. One of the biggest conferences in the music industry at that time, and she was responsible for that. And he said, I just don't see you doing entertainment. My feelings were hurt, and I said, what do you see me doing? Because at that time I was in attending Temple Law School studying corporate laws. I was not I thought I was going to be a corporate lawyer and then apply that to the entertainment industry. He says, I see you being a sports agent. And I said, well, where did that come from? Because I have no connection whatsoever. I'm not related to an athlete. I don't date athletes, I don't know athletes. He said, listen, I'm just putting it out there. Figure it out. So I went to the owner of One House Street and Dancing on there, which was Mike Nice, and I asked him what the heat think and he says, I really do see you in management. I see you doing something huge. So he got me an internship with the Philadelphia Metro, which had just started several years later, around nineteen ninety four nineteen ninety six. So I did an internship in My first job that they gave me was to write a story on Super Bowl thirty six, which was the Patriots in the rams. I had no clue what to do. We got me and one of my best friends. We got a little Kodak camera and I said, well, how do I get the Super Bowl? Like? What do I do? The only person I knew at the time was Terrell Owens and McNabb at the time not know them and I knew of them. So me and my best friend we just figured it out. Went to New Orleans Super Bowl thirty six and I met some Patriots fans and he was just kind of schooling me real quick, and I, you know, I signed up to be a volunteer ambassador with the Super Bowl host Committee. Now, technically you're supposed to be a residence of the city that the super Bowl was hosting. So I lied and told him I was a residence of New Orleans and not Philadelphia. And I got in some kind of way, and so I had to wear my little uniform. They did a whole background check on me. So it is very serious. You just can't roll up and be a volunteer. And wrote the story and came back and gave it to the Patriots one and we were on Bourbon Street and the players were screaming, and I didn't know who was who, and it was like, you need to interview Lawyer Malloyd. I was like, well, who is that? And he was so excited that he won the Super Bowl he didn't care who was interviewing him, so I looked like a reporter. So he gave me a twenty minute interview. So I was able to write that up and I came back to the Philadelphia Metro and they said, we have to publish this are going to pay you. So that's when I sat back. I said maybe I might be onto something. So that was the beginning of me continuing to volunteer every year after that with the Super Bowl Host Committee and I did it for twelve years for free, went to Super Bowl every year, worked the entire super Bowl Host Committee, knew every blueprint of the Super Bowl, developed my relationships over time. That same year that the Patriots won the Super Bowl, I was in Miami and I ran into Lawyer mulloy And at that time I was working with Ed Lover from MTV raps. I was his publicist and they were friends, and Lawyer was saying, I need a publicist, someone who can organize my schedule and take care of my family, and he referred me to lawyer Mulloy. Long story short, Lawyer Malloy, super Bowl champion, four time pro bowler, came my very first NFL client. Thereafter that was Keith Hamilton of the New York Giants, and I had to keep stepping back a little bit because I was bumping my head. I had no one to tell me how to get into this business. No one was holding my hand. I was, you know, it was not a Philadelphia is a sports fan city, but it's not a sports business city. So there were maybe less than five sports agents here. One of them is Chris Cabot, who now owns one of the biggest largest sports agencies in the world with Lee Steinberg, which I believe they just parted. They do have a collective agency partnership because they managed Patrick Holmes of the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback. So I reached out to him. He was still teaching at Temple University at the time before he connected to Lee Steinberg said that's what we're gonna way back, so I'm trying to you know, and reached out to a couple of agents in New York and New Jersey and everyone was slamming the door on my face, and I couldn't find any women that were in the industry. But I said, well, I can't just be a sports agency. So I had to study sports agencies. So I went to took some classes, pulled out a Temple law school. I was working at a law firm, the number one law firm in the country, which is Morgan and Lewis right on the Market Street. That was very hard to get in and it was very difficult to stay in because I was an African American woman and it was at that time I was probably the only black intern at the time. It was very difficult for me and I was very uncomfortable. But when I was in the space of sports, I felt that it was the same feeling that I got when I was in entertainment. However, it took me about two to four years to figure out my mission and my purpose. It was not good enough to just say you work for somebody, but there was no purpose behind your work. So although I had these great names, I didn't feel I didn't feel fulfilled. I didn't know what they needed from me. I knew what the artists needed. They needed artist development, they needed management, they needed contract negotiation. Entertainment and sports is like marriage, but player you're dealing with more so more men. You're dealing with their families, their children, and their agents, their partnerships, their sponsorships, the team. It was much bigger than me just dealing with one on one. However, I was able to develop those relationships over time with my continuance of volunteering at the Super Bowl host Committee. And I became known because I became the resource. I became the informative, I came the confidant, I became everything to everybody. So over time I said, let me be smart about this. Continue to stay in corporate America, get my education because they were paying for it. But on the side, I was going to sports conferences, volunteering at sports conferences such as Beyond Sports, which is an international sports conference, and I studied Drew Rosenhouse, Lee Steinberg, all of the mayor your sports agent. There was no Rich Paul at the time, so Clutch Sports. You know, he came a little later and he's NBA now, he is now NFL. So I just didn't have someone like me in the business at the time. So to make a long story short, this year is my twenty third, you know, my twenty second anniversary working in sports, worked with eighty two players current and retired, and I am an NFL alumni associate for the NFL. Now, a lot of people get it confused. I am not a sports agent. Can I be? Yes? However, it costs money, there's insurance to involve, There's a lot of particulars and politics involved, so I would have to really be under a major agent before I can actually branch off as an agent myself. All right, So so just because I want to back up a little bit, because you said a lot wow, Yes, so later and kudos to all of the accomplishments you had with there in your challenges, because I know how lonely it can be, especially especially not only as a woman, but as you know, woman of color. Right, So let's be honest, right, But that said, today is what how are you classified today in the work you're doing today? In forward from there, I am classified as an expert in sports public relations and crisis management. I am not the type of publicists that you're going to see my clients on the Shade Room, Hollywood Unlock or TMZ. I am not a yes, some type of publicists or manager. I really took my mission and purpose to another level. I really needed to find out what these guys needed outside of football. I deal with clients who are involving the CTE settlement. I deal with guys who have brain damage. I deal with guys who lost it and I helped them to get it back. I dealt with guys who had depression, who put a gun to their heads, suicide, who told me their deepest, darkest secrets in terms of what was going on inside the locker room as well as outside the locker room. So I had to sit back and say, these guys are telling me their story, how can I help them with their story? So I had to really sit down and really ask them, what is it that you need? What are you're not getting from the NFL or you know, anywhere else. A lot of these guys had, yes, some type of people around them. They felt that they were obligated to their friends from you know, back in the day, and most of the challenges were they felt. Some guys didn't feel that they could connect with me because they felt that I wasn't from you know, poverty or the hood or whatever. And a lot of and I said to them just like I'm asking you questions, asked me questions. You know I'm not from the streets, No I'm not, but I definitely know the streets I live in Philadelphia. So when I actually had to sit down one on one and really have a collective, intellectual, emotional, high emotional intelligence conversation, that's when it became easy for me. Now I'm not just looked at as the girl to do the red carpet or do your little press release. I did all that in the beginning. That was que you had a little function, a little football camps, and we got the little celebrities to come out and donate, and we got the kids playing football. But I always had this emptiness inside, like it's much more than this, right, So I would ask them, do you have life insurance? How's your healthcare? How you know? Finding out that they didn't have these things lined up right now? Before I can advise them, I had to make sure I practice what I preached. So what I was learning in corporate America, I applied it to the sports. So I had a lot of information in terms of corporate how to get corporate sponsors, how to get partnerships, and I will help players when you're not, when you're offset. Reason build your brand, build your name, your likeness, your image, make sure it aligns with the NFL so we don't have a conflict of interest. So there was a lot of moving parts that it took me twenty years. In the interim of all of that, I'm continuing going to school. So as of today, for college degrees, my fifth one is I am a doctor. I am the first publicists that hold a doctorate in the sports of entertainment industry. And I just say publicists because men are publicists as well in this industry. So I can't just say I'm the first black, and I don't really care to be the first black. I didn't even know I was the first publicist with a doctorate degree until the Public Society of America told me the statistics. And I'm proud to say I'm the third female doctor in my family. Wow, I'm trying to I'm trying to pack these I need more than a half an hour. I mean, I mean, and I just want to give you kudos for that to give people their flowers, because oftentimes we give people in flowers too late, right, and you're you're an active participant in your story right now that it's not even over with right now, it's not over I'm not listen. I'm still trying to get inside the NFL. The problem is that everybody thinks I'm already inside because of the work that I have done. But I am not in the executive office. I'm talking, okay, so let's talk. Let's talk about that then. So how could you knowing what you know now? Uh, from the information you got then? Right? Knowing what you know now, how do you believe you can get there there? Honestly? I am now a threat. Explain it. Explainer sexism, agism, racism, prejudice and jealousy and education and highly educated. Right so they're not liking me right now? So okay, and I don't mean to be, but no one. I had to make my way. I had to develop and mark my space in this industry. Do you need them though? I mean, it's not that I need them, but I am an entrepreneur and I've been sold since nineteen ninety. You have to change things, players, I'm gonna be honest. Players are not paying me what they were paying of course, right, So since COVID, things have changed with their collective bargaining contracts and so forth has changed. I mean, look at some of the ages that's um you know, mothers are now ages and people are pissed off about that. They're not mad that she's an agent the man, that she's black and she's a woman, and they and she eat in and she cut out the middleman, right, So now you got issues with affirmative action now for women that were leadership and diversity and conclusion got rolled out. ESPN just let go all that their top twenty people. So me trying to get in the sister is still there though today to that, so you know you have how can I? How can I? It's so many different things, and so I manage someone believing that I belong there right right now, I'm gonna keep it real honest with you. I am in all the rooms that most people can't get into. And they sit back and say, how did she get in this room? I didn't help her? How does she get here? Instead of coming over to me and say let's make it, do what it right? Sister, Like, that's what I'm asking. And when I show up, I'm not by myself. I'm with my clients. So you know I'm I'm coming with the product. I'm not just coming like Hi, I'm just paris. You know, here's here's my clients. And my clients advocate for me. That's another thing they do advocate for me. I love that. So when all right, so let's talk about hypothetical right now. Um, recently John Moron right was in you know, the news, papers, blogs, everything by flashing the gun right, um, not only once, but twice, Like what's going on with this brother? Right? And so if you if that were your client, how would you handle that? And how would you talk to this brother to say like, hey, you know, what you're doing is is very not only unacceptable, but can affect you know, your long term you know, relationship to the sports, so to speak. How would you handle it? First of all? And I'm and I'm gonna say this, and I'm being boysful when I say this. Not I'm humble, but I'm boysful. At the same time, I don't do NBA. If he was my client first and foremost, that wouldn't not have happened the first time, and it definitely wouldn't have happened the second time because I would have came in and cleaned house. Talk about his friends and everything, your mama too. Everybody got it up. And I've done it with the NFL players, right. So, say it happened the first time, it definitely would not have happened the second time because I have strict principles and quota conduct in my contract, because I'm selective on who I choose to represent, and it's a privilege for me to represent you. Right. So he has a lot of silly people around him, and he's silly himself. I've had a twenty three year old NFL player doing some you know, flash the gun at We're driving down our ninety five and he flashes a gun to somebody next to us, and I literally told him to pull over and we had to have a conversation. I said, that can never happen again, not only with me in the car, but when you're by yourself. So you know, if you feel that you need security, we will get you security. But that can never have and again, so it's a matter of having someone in your circle who really has your best interests. I don't care about the glitz and the GLAMs. You know, that's not my mission, that's not my purpose. That's part of the perks that you get working with high you know, high A list celebrities. He's been in the league long enough, he knows better, so he should be doing better. He didn't just walk into the league. He's twenty three, he's been in the league for four years. I do believe there's some underlying issues in gray areas that we the public the media don't know about. So I have to get behind all of that and really sitting him down. When he did his public relations interview the first time, it was script. So I'll say this, I work with eighty two players, and none of my players have been in that type of situation. Also, I make sure that if that something did like that happened, I have relationships with media where it would not have gotten out the way that it gotten out. So I don't know who his publicist is, I don't know who his management team is, but whoever his circle is, they're not good for him at all. But he's not good for himself. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I get that question every day all the time, people sending me stuff about him, and I'm like, well, if y'all think I should be representing yet, y'all know my number. I'm not gonna go to him. He needs to come to me. You know, I can help him. I could definitely get him on the right track. But he has the one first one it for himself. He's about to lose, if he has not already lose everything. And he's a talented player, he's very marketable, he's favorable, he's likable, he is a product. But at the same time, you are also an image of the NBA real quick. So let's let's let's go in that same conversation, right, I'm gonna feel you another one since let's get out of basketball because I was gonna go to Kyrie Irving, but let's go to football because that'shit thing Kaepernick during that situation, he took an in, right, how would you have handled that during that time with the information that you know now? I feel that situation was unplanned. It was no strategic behind it, and a lot of players have actually voiced that. I listened to every player that say, lou we was on board with it, but they needed to know what were the consequences. Where it's the benefits and where are the consequences? Because I have a family that I have to worry about. It was just more like they went. He went in with a blindfold on and just did it. And he wanted everybody to join in. And you don't know what you're joining in. That's not fair. So I love him, I've met him one time. I think he's a great guy. Just you're on someone else's home turf. You cannot make the rules. You either you know a bide by the rules or you go somewhere else. I feel as though it just not strategically thought out. He didn't. He could have broke the NFL in on it, and the NFL could have said, Okay, we're not gonna do it this way. You know, it was a lot of moving. It was a lot going on in some politics. Sometimes when players are too vocal or they're not a puppet, or they're they're not a puppet, they are a problem in the locker room. Got you so? Now now today with all of the new developments and just sports alone, you know, even from you know a soccer or football as they call it football today, regular football as we know the NFL has changed. Also, where where do you believe we are today? And how we how can we be more inclusive in that This conversation based around Okay, I got you this conversation around who's in the room? Right, Um, jay Z. You know he was able to, uh, you know, negotiate something where I believe you know, it's a lot of people who you know, think differently. But you know he's he's he's doing his part in entertainment to bring more people to the table, right in the entertainment sector. But it's still within the school for the NFL. Right, what is it? What can we do as a people to say, hey, you know, um, this is how we can bring more people to the table, but this is how we can also support our people within the space because we are normally just the entertainment the players shut up and play right, and then you have the people at the top kind of don't look like us, just like sign and checks. Look, this is what you're supposed to do form right, So what where are we today and what can we do? I know that's a load of question, but you kind of get one of them. We need more African Americans in the owner seats. There's two percent, and when you look at each team, the two percent is broken down with like three for people in a pot like Magic Johnson, I believe just bought the Washington, risking they're not the Washington the commanders. I think he has his hand in that pot. We need more of that. We need more after minorities in the owners seat. Number two, the players need to have some sort of executive decision position. Now, the executive director of the NFL PA, he's on his way out. I don't know why, but he's on his way out. So as long as we are not putting ourselves in position, and then you can't get the position and then be a puppet. Okay. So there are former retired NFL players that are now executives in the NFL, but they're puppets. They are afraid to rock the boat because they're gonna fall off the boat and they don't have a life jacket. Okay, So until we have more of diversity and conclusion, which we don't. They say we do, but we don't. I give an example. Every time I tell somebody about my difficulties of applying at certain positions with the NFL. Now I've done everything. Okay, I've changed, you know, the position to match what their description of the position is and all of that. People like, take your picture off your cover of your CV, I disagree with that. I'm gonna tell you why you're gonna google me anyway, right, so you're gonna know I'm black. You won't know I'm black by my name or maybe how I sound on the phone, because we all have that, you know, proper politically correct voice on the phone. But I want you to know that I'm blacks, right, And then when I see you at Super Bowl, I'm gonna pull up on you and go hi, I Doctor Parris, Nicole Peyton. You should see their faces when they see me. They're like, yeah, she's really real, you know. So then when my name come across the HR desk, they probably don't even look at my resume. They just see my name and keep passing along. Unfortunately, I don't have the inside in the HR department to see who's looking at my stuff, because I need someone inside to tell me why you keep denying me when I have this track record and I have players who are advocating for me. But the players don't have the power to call and say, you know, grant her an interview or whatever like that. They just don't have the power. So players need to come together more collectively, not only with the nfl PA, but collectively amongst themselves and really stand for diversity, conclusion, and equantity. We really need to really affirmative action is slipping through our fingers. The Supreme Court just open up a cam a can of worms. Are racist, you know, And it's really just I feel like we're moving backwards instead of forward. The only way you can fix that is if we start to really believe that our ice is just as cold. I think, you know, we think that the other man ice is colder than what we have the offer. And I believe that we have to do more with celebrating our worth and understand how our one I mean ego plays into an ego, you know, being you know, over zealous with pride. I see it between players. I used to work for two brothers, told night and day. So what I did with one I couldn't do with the other. One needs were higher than the other. So I had to learn how to adapt to each player and what their needs. Always tell a player, tell me what you need, don't tell me what you want, because if I handle your needs and get you what you need, you're going to get everything that you want. And I would I would argue that some players don't even know what they need right, So then I helped them to define that. It's like having a kid. You want your kid to grow up not just wanting a job. You want them to understand what's their passion. Right. Then you want them to go to school to learn the fundamentals of developing a business decorum, get their business acorim up, and then they monetize their passion. We're not teaching our kids that. I'm gonna be honest. And I love my mom that my mother worked for four presidents. She was our superior of our missiles with China. And my mother used to always say, go get a job, Go get a job, Go get a job, And that word job was like taking her hands down a chalkboard for me. And I became an entrepreneur at fifteen, and a lot of the women in my family are highly educated and they are also entrepreneurs themselves. So the word job just wasn't. My passion was music and entertainment and then it became sports. Right, So I have the corporate side, but I also have this side. So I tell my players, you want to be diverse because you want to be transferable in any sector that you want to gain monetary gaining right, So it's a matter of really sitting down with these guys. A lot of these guys are businessmen. Hold that thought one second, I got the top of the hour. We talked weeklies after the talk on WPPMLP Philadelphia one or six point five fl We talked weeklies after the talk with your boy Charles Gregory and a beautiful Lawrences and a beautiful and we definitely are in the building with a dynamic interview. Man, I mean, the interview is over, but I can't stop. I got a couple more questions, right, I mean, it's unbelievable. Let me tell you, sister, this has been such a rough of fresh air. Right. I appreciate that absolutely, especially with one year wealth of knowledge where you are and to be able to have you on to talk about what these unjustices are, to see how we can give a platform to have people thinking like yo, how can we assist and help? We are solutions based journalists, you know, organizations that we talked weekly. This is what we do, right, Yes, and so I do want to send an invitation to you that once you come to the show, you're always a friend to the show, So you always are welcome and to utilize us for platform for not only you, but even your clients if you need to. Absolutely, I appreciate that. Absolutely. A couple quick questions before I let you go. Jesus' already know o'clock. I can't believe it. It just went through your great interview, so I had to let you know that. Thank you. If where do you see yourself in the next two years and two would you consider other scopes or other kind of like sectors of entertainment Again, yes, in two years, I do see myself getting that executive position in the NFL. I have applied to other sports sectors such as w NBA. I was very taken back by the Brittany Grittner story, and I do feel that I have the tools and the resources and informative information to help them ladies to state in the United States and maximize their name, their likeness in their image. They have not caught me yet, so it's a matter of just finding the right seat. My love is with the NFL, so I kind of stay there, um, you know, until God, who is the one that placed me there, tells me my time is up. I have to continue to carry be obedient, carry out my mission and you know, standing firm in my purpose to help these guys. I'm still working with several players now. I am looking for new players to represent and this year at our next year's Super Bowl fifty eight will be the Super Bowl Gospel Celebration twenty fifth anniversary, and I've been with them for fifteen years, so I'm excited about that. So thank you, absolutely, thank you, my sister, and I'll continue to wish you the best much success and you have new fans here. What we talked weekly, you continue to do what you do. It was something else I was going to ask you before I let you go. Why don't you tell everyone how they can get in contact with you and all that good stuff where they can find you and how to even can help. Yeah. Well, my name is again doctor Parrison, Nicole Payton. I am on Instagram, Twitter LinkedIn as the P and P Agency. So that is the P and PA Agency, which stands for Purpose, Nurturing and Prosperity. And I'm not getting on thread. I don't know what y'all doing with this thread, but listen, I can't keep signing the fall of these social media but I'm going to the P and P Agency or just doctor Parrison, Nicole Payton, and if you know any players that are looking for true representations, send them my way in the NFL. I mean, I'm open to the NBA. The NFL is just where my heart is and that's where God said I'm mostly needed. So real quick question, this is this is what slipped my mind that I want to throw at you real quick, right um, Our brother ice Q has been going through it lately. You're saying that you would be willing to go in different scopes. Do you think that would be area that you can go win and support kind of like this whole Big Three and the connection to even the NBA or Buffer what's going on with all of that mess over there. I would have to sit down with ice Cube. I'm not really understanding the Big Three. That's just because I'm not in the NBA. I really wanted to connect with Jeez because he has a sports agency, so I've been trying to tag onto him, and I think Kevin Hart is getting ready to open up a sports agency. So I'm trying to get with the guys in the beginning. It's hard to get with the guys that are seasoned. I want to get in the beginning because I can bring my expertise on how to represent these guys on the public relations circle and the management when the management side and making sure their healthcare and their life insurance is in place, and their marketing and straight and making sure they have a tight circle like Clutch Sports. I met Rich Paul and I'm trying to get inside Clutch Sports because he's doing fabulous and I feel like he's my twin. So um in due time. No, Dago ramp I really I like you. You gotta come back to the show. Yeah, come back absolutely, so then you have a ladies and gentlemen don't go anywhere when we come back. We got another dynamic interview. Will we will be right back after this show