DrTommyRhee

We have Dr. Thomas, excuse me, let me get that out of there. We have Dr. Thomas Rhee, operates a physical chiropractor out of Tampa, Florida, an elite sports recovery chiropractor clinic in West Shore and South Tampa area. Tommy's approach treats every patient like a professional athlete, aiming to prevent surgeries, or optimized pre-op and post-op rehabilitation. Specializes in tough chronic cases referred by other physical therapists, medical doctors, and chiropractors after previous treatments failed. Known for delivering high-performance, cutting-edge recovery care for every active individual. Olympians and professional leaguers such as the NFL, NBA, NHL, and Major League Baseball, and UFC, and the like. He is recognized as is one of the areas for most providers. A pioneer who's bringing body cryo, whole body cryotherapy. What's that? Piezo shock wave therapy. I hope I'm saying that right. Went back to car therapy and cryo-phos to the region. Specialized, he uses a lot, I'm sorry, he utilizes class four laser therapy, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and non-invasive regenerative solutions. And that's what got me excited. The regenerative solutions is what I'm looking to ask a few questions about because that's really cutting edge. And I really have a lot of questions surrounding that. So we definitely going to get into this interview. And so I want to bring him up. I want everybody to give a round of applause because I'm going to bring this gentleman up. How are you, sir? How are you? I'm doing fine on this Saturday evening here. Thank you, Charles. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It's an absolute pleasure for you to join us today on We Talk Weekly. I don't even know where to start with you because you have so much going on. You have, I mean, you're revolutionizing the idea of one recovery and physical therapy and just your work alone. What let's start from the beginning. What got you before we get into all of the things you're doing? What got you into this space of, you know, like wellness and recovery and physical therapy? You know, if I can pick one thing, it's definitely something I can go back to where, you know, I'm a kid. My dad's a doctor and I just see how he interacts with his patients. Right. But I knew that I didn't want the normal kind of like that relationship with a patient because I was active. I was very active in sports. And I knew that that's where I belong in some kind of capacity around sports. And then I just mirrored the two. I said sports, you know, then put medicine in there. And then and then I wanted to see if I can get these athletes exactly, you know, better, healthier and performing at their best in their sports. So that's how I got involved with it. just that relationship I saw my dad have, I just kind of relate that to athletes. So let's, let's talk a little bit about that. Cause you, you, you mentioned your dad, were you, were you, was your dad in the space of like physical therapy or rehabilitation? No, no, he was, he was in the surgical world. So he was a general surgeon. And then, you know, when he gets older, he goes general practice, but that relationship, you still see that with his patients. So that's where I knew that I, I think it's like genetically encoded to me to help people. It's that love of seeing someone get better. And then when you put that with an athlete, now you're seeing the athlete perform better. They're getting to a situation where they're chronically injured or something's going on and they come see you or see myself. And then I solve it. I figure it out and we do a therapy session and we work through it. And then we get them back to where they can perform their best. And then Their results show up on sports, you know, TV, Olympics, that kind of event. Wow. Now, moving forward. All right. So the encouragement for you to get into this particular field. I just want to back up because this is what kind of threw me. Right. A Navy air crew veteran. That's amazing. First of all, thanks for your service. But I mean, the wealth of information, knowledge that you have in your background. So how do you mesh all of that together? Like where does all of that fit in? You know, when I look back at all these things that I, you know, I don't know if they're accomplishments or just steps that I went through in my life. But I mean, for the grace of God, he puts me in a place where I have to, you know, Become that person. So I was a kid, play sports, teenager, and you get into trouble just like any kid, but my trouble was a little bit more expanded into the world of the law. So when you get in trouble, you know, this is back in the eighties, you have an option, you know, you can go to the bad jail and all that kind of like that pathway down that, or you can go down the path of the military. So it was one of those choices I had to make in my life and Navy was a choice. So I went to Navy. And again, is it God's plan or something? But I, I had enough scoring that I can get any job. And one of the jobs they offered me was aviation, you know, air crew be, you know, be something in the aircraft, be an operator. So with that, it took a lot of training, you know, not just like physical training, because you have to be physically fit to fly in these areas. And then you have to go into the mental side of it. And the mental side is pretty taxing in itself. And then you kind of married the two together and it's physical and mental. And the interesting thing is that job, it teaches you how to memorize because some of the material you have, you can't carry it in your possession because just in case your aircraft crashes behind enemy lines, you can't have all the secret material with you. So it's all about memorizing what you have to do out there. So they teach you how to really take a project like memorizing these type of submarines and armament or aircraft. And then how to deploy that into the actual operation you're doing to track these type of submarines. And then, you know, when you're flying, you're doing this kind of like these listening devices called silent buoys, you lay in the water and you're listening for these things. So because of that, the military taught me how to do this kind of memorization, like tasking these numbers and these projects and operations. And because of that, it allowed me to go into school, college better, prepared, better informed how to study, how to go on to the next step. And then it really gave you critical think at the same time, because you're going to have to take these information and you're going to say, well, what is this? Now you have to kind of conclude or derive something that where is that particular enemy submarine aircraft is going. So with that, it just translates so easy when I went into, you know, when I went to school and then eventually became a chiropractor and then to the sports, and then you're going to the elite athlete. you're solving mysteries. You're solving their particular injury. If it's a chronic ankle, knee, hip, shoulder, and they've seen other doctors, now you have to think outside the box. You're taking all the information and goes, all right, what else is going on? Look at this biomechanics. Look at this anatomy. What surgical procedures he had before? We have a change of anatomy. We have to go move a little bit to the extreme ends of these ranges. So that's why it was fun at the end stage, but You know, to get there, I had to go through all these little steps, right? Military training, studying, learning how to then go to college where when you get to college after the military, to me, it was easy. It wasn't that difficult. It was just, just put your head down and drive. And then I just knew that my destiny was to be right where I'm sitting right now. Amazing. That's such an amazing background that you have there. I want to jump right into, so you go to the service, then you go to college, right? And you, what is it? What team you went to? What is that? Tampa, Tampa Bay from the Buccaneer. You say LA athletic. Let's talk a little bit about that. Amazing. I mean, these are like pretty much D one schools, amazing schools. Like what, what was that? You know, that, that era of like your life and your positioning and your career choices. How was that particular time for you? Okay. So when I was like, So I lived in LA during the schooling process and then I graduate and then lo and behold, I'm at UCLA. I had some very fortunate opportunities for me to get there. It's not, like you said, it's not likely for a chiropractor to become part of this big school, division one, but UCLA, a top notch school and bring a chiropractor on board. So you have to have your, you know, T's crossed, your I's dotted. You got to be that kind of person to have me come on board as some type of, you know, a therapist that's going to help your athletes that are pretty much like high caliber athletes to get them better. Now this is back in the early 2000. So nowadays chiropractic is so strongly used in all these teams. Back then it was frowned upon, you know, they sell chiropractors, what are these guys? They just crack stuff, you know? But they didn't understand that in my world in sports, we don't look at the joint. You know, we don't want to just do a crap. We want to look at the soft tissue around the joint. So we look at, you know, like the muscles that flexes in addition, the antagonistic muscle, the opposite, right? The extensions, right? So we look at all those and we try to get a symmetry. Like we want to have a nice balance with it. So once we started working together at UCLA, especially track and field, because that's such a unique sport with those runners, then they started seeing, okay, He knows what he's doing. I'm building my confidence and their confidence in me. So now I'm going into other sports at UCLA. So then I'm with the basketball, the football team, water polo. And the neat thing about that is that I'm seeing these kids and these kids are like, you know, they're in college, of course, at UCLA, but they're also like, they're trying to get to the Olympics and some get to the Olympics and you just follow along with them. Here we go. We're going to the Olympics. So now you're seeing that kind of caliber of athletes and then when you're in that environment, it's so unique how they tune their body up. So when you work with like these, you know, junior high kids in high school and you start seeing that little, that filter of like elite athletes move through this course. And when you get to the very pinnacle of it, you're seeing a top notch people and they all want to start with the same mindset, but who pops through are the ones that are gifted, but really who trains the hardest with their gifts. And then it goes through. So with that, You're going to have these kids get through that high athlete, that high elite stuff. They'll get injured. And then that's where it counts. That's where my job is important. How do you get them back quicker? How do you get them? Because, you know, when they graduate and they're in the professional world, now it's a job. Now it's money. So that's what they're concerned about. So you've got to have your best foot forward when you start working with these athletes. Yeah. So because of that, that opened me up to all the advanced equipments, everything you can think of. I have to see what's out there and try to figure out, does it work? Does it work? How do you utilize it? How do I feel it should be used? And that's through practice over a period of time with other patients that I failed with, that through that failure, I learned my lessons, and then I perfected it into where I'm at now. Yeah, amazing, amazing. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're just tuning in, we're talking to a Dr. Tommy Reed. And we brought him on the show because he has an amazing book. I'm sure you can see it right over his show, The Future of Regenerative Medicine. Thanks for the book, by the way. We had the opportunity. It's an amazing, it's a very interesting read because it's super, you talk, I mean, it's super innovative, right? Some of the things that you're talking about and it's things that people wouldn't even consider. which I want you to dive deep into. But before we go there, you mentioned the young athlete, right? And when I think of youth athletics, people don't necessarily think of regenerative medicine or physical therapy. We think of like the older players. So when we get into like the middle schools and, you know, going into like the new, because I have a freshman, you know, player right now who plays baseball, right? And so I think of that time when One time he was hurt and he had a groin pull and I was just like, wow, no one thinks about the young kids. I mean, you're hearing like some of the pictures as young as like 12 getting Tommy John surgery and have to recover from that. And so what is, you know, what is your view on this idea of youth physical therapy and regenerative medicine for that particular demographic? Yeah, it's a fine line with that. Yeah. Because these kids, you know, they haven't hit puberty. Some of these kids haven't hit puberty. So their testosterone, their hormones haven't really like engaged in their muscle growth. Now they have the ability to heal fast, but as far as like getting the right structure to take on that new type of like, you know, like endurance sport or aggressive sport, you're going to have that tissue, you know, it takes time. So that's why if you look at, if you have... when you do it like a Tommy John surgery from a aggressive throwing, right? Mostly like when you get into that pitcher world and you're at a young age and you're excessively throwing, you're going to compromise that ligament there. So the tough thing with that is that you've got to learn how to back off a little bit, but still know how to train. You don't, you don't want to do that over training. It's tough for little kids because you don't know their limits. You know, you think that they might know the answer, but they don't have that good feedback to tell you I'm tired. Because they always say they're tired, right? They don't want to do some stuff. But the other kids that don't have that pain threshold, they'll push right through pain and get themselves injured more and more. So when I see a kid at that age, like 12 years old, that gets injured, you've got to rest them. Rest is great. Don't get them to a point where you do rupture that ligament. If that happens, you've got to do surgery. So in regenerative medicine, they have those adult stem cells in their body. It is very vibrant. I mean, that's why they grow. They're constantly growing from That's where they have the growth spurts. They're constantly growing. But when you have someone that's injured at that age, you've got to rest them and they will heal. They have those adult stem cells in their body. Now they may have a problem because they're not resting. Now you're over-training. When you're over-trained, now you're not giving your body ability to rest. When you don't rest and recover, you're just adding more stress to that particular tissue where it eventually ruptures, cuts and all that stuff. So it's rest what's really important. Got you. Got you. I think that's an excellent transition. And this is my last question before I bring Shannon back into the conversation. I want to jump into your book because that regenerative medicine piece is, I think, very, one, important, but very dynamic because we don't think regenerative. We just think of resting fixing, right? And if it don't fix so well, right? Thinking that it can't regenerate, right? So I want you to talk a little bit about what was the impetus of you sitting down and getting that aha moment to say, you know what? I have some background. I have been doing some research. I'm writing this book and let's start there. Yeah. Okay. The reason why I wrote that book because of the explanation component of it i had to explain in detail to other physicians other athletes about the different kind of stem cells what the stem cells do what's the mechanism and what are we trying to achieve on here and then the different delivery systems so because of the repetitive motion of just saying that answer over and over again i wrote the book now If you really want to know what this whole regenerative medicine and stem cell therapy is about, the book will give you a good explanation on two ways, right? You've got the one scientific where you can see all the words that you want to hear about, like cytokines and enzymes and all that stuff. Or you really want to just have the layman's term. And there's a version of it, which is Jeff's journey. And it can just summarize what's going on with these particular type of tissues and what they're making them do. So basically, if you look at regenerative medicine, your body regenerates. We all regenerate. The younger we are, faster. The older we are, the slower it goes. Now, the question is, why is it regenerating slower? Why do we age? Why do we get wrinkles? Why do we have that arthritis? It's because we're not regenerating quick like we used to do. Now, think about what we're trying to do here. We're trying to get our normal tissue like a muscle. Say, okay, muscle, let's clean you up. Let's go get rid of the old and bring in the new. We need to regenerate that tissue. Now we need a signal. So the signal says to the actual adult stem cell that's inside called satellite cells, do your job. Let's do the cycle. Let's clean out the old, bring in the new. So the signal we're looking for. Now here's the problem. That signal as we age gets decreased. It gets decreased because of two factors. Maybe the signal is not there because the actual sourcing of it is reduced or our signaling pathway is obstructed from chronic inflammation, some type of inhibition around the cell, or just basically just a lot of that junk in the way, right? Scar tissue or something. So we need to figure out how to make that pathway clear and make that signal brighter as we're younger. And that's why you hear the words stem cell therapy. Stem cell therapy is a generic term because you don't want the actual cell. You want the signal that the cell is producing. That's what you want. And that cell is what they call cell free. Cell free because it doesn't have a nucleus. It's like what they call exosomes. It's a capsulated type of like cell that just has the information. And there's a lot smaller. So when it's smaller, it delivers easier. Now you can get it into that damaged tissue and bypass some of those type of like pathways are obstructing and go to the source and say, okay, muscle regenerate. And here we go. Clean out the old, bring in the new. That's what you want. So that's what regenerative medicine is about. You want to get that signal back to its course and regenerate as if we were young. So we're looking for those things. Is it from stem cells, from human tissue source, like the bilbo core called mesenchymal stem cells, or is it the same type of signals that come from plants? Plant has the same type of potency as these human tissue. So that's what needs going. That's the pathway we're looking into now. Moving into a plant-based type of signaling to tell your existing tissue do its job. Interesting. Yeah, that's incredible. That's incredible. But I do have a follow-up question for you. It says, and it goes, your platform focuses on cell-free therapies. Right. How does the cell free. Topical application manage to deliver biological signals as effectively as injections? Yeah, great question. So we all know about needles and the fear of needles. And in the athletic world, needles are pretty much a catch 22. If you have a knee that's probably like, you know, like an ACL or a ligament in your knee, that has that kind of compromised tissue and you wanna start that regeneration, right? So they say, hey, we're gonna do a stem cell injection in the area. Well, the problem is is that you have the original injury and now you're gonna take this needle and then you're gonna go into the area and you're gonna make a secondary injury site with the needle and compromise it just to deliver this signals from the stem cells. Now, the problem with this with athletes, there's a downtime. Athletes, after you get this type of injection, you can't do nothing for the next, four, five, two weeks, whatever the actual provider says you have to rest because you have to recover from the secondary injury and you got to let the signals kind of like bind in there. Now, if you understand about the signal and the cell-free molecule and how small it is compared to a live cell, let me back up real quick. So when you hear a cell, you think about a cell that has like a membrane and a lot of stuff inside there that helps the cells stay alive. And this little thing called a nucleus, and that has like the chromosome and DNAs. And in that whole environment, it's like a living kind of like a, almost like a, um, a universe, right? A universe, right? Now, when you think about cell free, eliminate everything, except for the signal. Now you have a smaller diameter, smaller type of, you know, cell free type of biological molecule. that now can penetrate through the skin with the help of a transdermal agent that can open up that top layer that can transdermally pull those bioactive molecules down through the skin into the damaged tissue. And you have to do it for a period of time. And through the saturation, you will yield as much as the injections. So that's what's great about topical is that you don't have to go through that risk factor of getting like an injection and then maybe an injury or an infection. You can do topical because all you want is that signal. You want that signal to get through the skin to the damaged tissue. Just a quick follow-up question. As far as having that carrier cell penetrate the skin, what. Are we using on the skin? And does that matter? Most people like to use coconut oil or some type of ointment. Is it What's the delivery carrier to get through to the skin? And is that important? Because I would assume that some stuff can degradate those cells if it's not in the right, you know, the topical delivery mechanism. Yeah. So in our formulation, we encapsulate it with this thing called like cholesterol or lipid nanoparticles, like real small cholesterol around there. So it's kind of like oily, right? So it protects the actual... the cell-free molecule so it doesn't degrade. But one agent that you asked about is an old type of compound or solvent called DMSO. DMSO is that transdermal agent that can carry these small molecules through that top layer called the stratum corneum, and it pulls it right through the three layers into the deep tissue. So that's what we use for a carrier. But the interesting thing is that FDA regulates that. So that's why it's hard for me right now to produce this as a over-the-counter or direct-to-consumer. This product that I have goes strictly to the doctors, and then they dispense it to the patients. But moving forward, we're doing a new development formulation that's going to go right to the consumer, and there's going to be a new type of penetration that's just like DMSO, but more acceptable and allowed for consumers to do right away without the doctor's script. Interesting. Oh, and I just had another question. I'm good, Charles? Yeah, you're good. So in your book, The Future of Regenerative Medicine, you discuss the evolution of health care. What is the single biggest misconception the general public or even traditional medicine currently has about regenerative therapy? Biggest thing that I'm, I guess the biggest thing that people need to realize is your own body has the ability to do what it needs to do. You just got to put it in the right environment. You've got to get everything in good unison. You've got to clear out the bad pathway. You've got to get the right signals. If you have the right signal, here's a great example. You know, you hear about the TRT, right? The testosterone. Well, that's a signal. It's a hormone. So as we age, those testosterone decreases. So we introduce our body with the synthetic testosterone and you're back to normal. It's a signal. All is a signal molecule. So that's what the secret is. Your testosterone is not doing anything more than signaling your existing tissue to do its job. So that's where medicine is shifting soon. You're going to start seeing things about signaling, signaling your own cells to do its job. You have the DNA. You have the code in your body to do what it's supposed to do. It just gets disturbed. It gets disturbed by external environmental. It could be from injury. It can be disturbed by all kinds of factors. But you have to think that if I can clear out this disturbance and just get a free, clear pathway and a strong signal, your body will function correctly. Your body, your cells don't die. We cycle through. You just have to have that signal to say, it's time to go. We'll bring a new one in. You know, do you have another question for him? Follow up? Go ahead. So, yeah. So, and again, this has to do with, you know what I mean, sports medicine. I want to know, as a sports injury bio, I'm sorry, sports injury and biomechanics expert, how do you see the intersection of physical structural therapies like chiropractic care and biomechanical interventions like regenerative signal? Yeah. So the beautiful thing about chiropractors is that we look at the body before it gets injured. So we're into the world of prehab. We want to catch you before you get injured. So if you have an athlete that has like a bad, like a little bend in his knee called a genuvalgum, you can start compromising the inside of the knee too much. And then that meniscus is going to get chewed up. Now, if you go to someone like us, we look at your alignment. We see what is going on. Do you have a tight IT band? Do you have a weak BMO? We look at all this type of muscles around your knee. We're going to make it stronger and look at it and see how can we get perfect, like the symmetry. So it balances correctly. If one pulls more, it's going to lean that way. So we want to look at that. But if we have that injury that we're not recovering, well, we have to get them first fixed, right? We have to get their structure fixed, but also we have to look at the biomechanics too. So It's a twofold thing, right? Correct their biomechanics, but then you have to regenerate that meniscus tear. And that's how regenerative medicine adds into that world. So athletes love the thought of getting themselves ready for a season. The offseason is very important to them. When you're in season for these athletes, they're not concerned about diet. They're just concerned about getting themselves back and playing again. It's about just staying on the field and doing their best and playing. Their health is important. Their diet is important, but it's not the most important thing. Their only thought right now is to get them back on the field, recover fast and get them on the field. They play injured. They're going to go through that process. But as we evolve, we're going to start seeing these athletes get injured less. You're going to start seeing things that injury reports going down because the real big thing is that how do you get this person that gets into that bottom sport of football to and control their body as they're getting hit around, right? So you have to get that tissue back to 100% to prepare themselves for those trauma. Now, just going back to football and sports and injury, I just wanted to get your opinion real quick on some of the players this year are wearing those halos. Have you seen those? You're talking about that? Yeah. Have you seen it? Do you have any thoughts on that? I don't know. I think it's, to me, any type of more cushion will help take the blow. So I'm not very familiar with that type of safety device, but it looks like it can work. I mean, it takes some of the blunt force out of it. So you're hitting a soft portion before you hit the outer plastic shell, and then you have the inner harder shell, and there's a little cushion inside that meets your skull. So, I mean, there's probably a lot of research behind it. and probably good stuff in there yeah it looks funny i know it looks funny right. It does it looks really funny i just you know working with the buccaneers and ucla i just wanted to get your opinion on it being up that close and personal you know to those athletes on a regular basis i'm sure you know that sort of thing comes up but last question for me Where do you see topical regenerative platforms expanding in the next five to 10 years? Are there applications for the everyday consumer wellness or will it remain focused on high performance sports medicine? So the beautiful thing about all these equipments and everything you hear about athletes, professional athletes, they're the first to try it out. They want to see what's out there. So that's our testing ground. So I have my athletes. They test it. They love it. it's going to slowly transition to the everyday person. Now, the tough thing is that stem cell therapy is sourced from a human tissue, right? The human tissue, you know, we get that mesenchymal stem cell and we get the signals from that and then we put it into a topical cream and then we add that transdermal agent and it gets through the skin and it delivers. Now, the tough thing is that it has to be in a mechanism with a doctor. The doctor gets it to you through a script and then they dispense it. The tough thing is that it costs money. You know, you have to have the doctor involved with it. You have to have the product and the processing to get to you through all that type of work is going to be a cost of like, you know, $ 700, 000 for that particular kit. So if you can think that I am now trying to take this same signal that's coming from these stem cells and find it from a plant base, now I can go directly to the consumer. When I go directly to the consumer, I'm cutting off a lot of that cost. Now, I'm not using human tissue, so the process is different. Really important is that the cost, the end cost, and the final thing is that it goes right to the consumer. So you don't have to go to your doctor. You can order online. Write online and get it. So when you're dealing with arthritis, if you're dealing with any aches and pains, especially when we're over 40, well, that's what you need. You need to regenerate that tissue because you're overusing it. And then if you don't deal with that correctly, that arthritis turns into a knee replacement. And then if, you know, what happens with that? A lot of people do well, a lot of people don't do well. So I always say, avoid that by getting yourself into the healthy tissue, getting that signal in your body and really understanding why we are trying to get that longevity in our tissue. And in essence, it gives you a whole body wellness in that two world to being healthier. You know what? This time flew. And real quick, hold that thought real quick because we're at the top of the hour. I have to give an ID because we're actually live on the radio as well as on all our platforms. You're listening to We Talk Weekly after the talk on WPPMLP Philadelphia 106.5 FM. We Talk Weekly with your boy Charles Gregory and my guy. Big exclusive. And we have a Dr. Tommy Free here and amazing conversation. Now, I want you to continue. We have a few more minutes before I let you go. But I want you to expand upon the topical element, because in my head, I'm fighting with how can something topical and not quote unquote, invasive or needle work, you know, just as good because I'm like, okay, that's kind of, that's what we were programming the thing. And then I, then I, you know, I have to check myself and say, wait, the skin is the largest organ on a body, right? So it should, it should actually work. So I want you to just delve a little bit more into kind of the chemistry of what you're working on and how can people even, I know you said you have to get it to a doctor, but you're working on something else that might, but, you know, just walk people through that chemistry and how can they kind of participate in things that's less evasive than either being cut or needles, you know? Okay. So I'm at that age where I know what DMSO and my kind of like parents and their friends, use DMSO for. So DMSO is a solvent that back in the day used to, used to smell it from, uh, from people using for, uh, for arthritis and their knees or back. And it had a certain smell to it. So the first thing that they would say is that the minute you rub it on their knee or their back, you know, that's the smell, but the taste, you start tasting the sulfur in your tongue. That's how fast it goes to your system. I mean, within minutes, right? You start tasting it. So you have that ability to have DMSO transdermally go through there. Well, the FDA uses it to that side of getting to the skin, but they do it for a vehicle transfer. They'll deliver small molecules through your skin to get to that systemic or deep tissue. So think about those three layers, and you get DMSO that disturbs that top layer. Once it disturbs it, it opens that protective layer, and now you have a channel to get those little cell-free molecules through. And as it gets through, in due time, the door closes. Now it's penetrating through. The door constantly opens all three layers. And it gets to the deep tissue, and it starts saturating. Now, our body that's injured sends out a signal. It sends out a honing signal that says, hey, I'm injured. I need something. And that's where these type of cell-free biological biactive molecules follow into. It connects in there. And there's these receptors. There's receptors on the membrane. They see the signal and say, Hey, I fit right here, go here. And now the key is in the lung engaged, turn on that signal. And here's that message. And that's where that human tissue. Now, the cool thing about plants, plants do the same thing. There is a another version I'm developing that has a transdermal agent, just like DMSO, but not under the FDA regulation. So I can, trying to do a little secret world of like you know developing it but the neat thing about the plant base is that plants don't go to the membrane of the actual damaged tissue it's it's its goal is to go through the membrane of the damaged tissue and get to the actual dna you want to get to the chromosome and signal it do the job so that's what's going to be fun about this now we're not going into a receptor on the membrane we're going to go through the membrane to the actual chromosomes of the DNA of the tissue and say, here I am, here's your signal. That's amazing. Yeah, this is so fascinating to me. And I think that, you know, we're going to have, I would love for you to come back, especially when your product is done and you can send some over to We Talk Weekly and we can test it and all that. Old good stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just want to say thank you for coming to the show. This was amazing, fantastic. I never heard a lot of the information and I'm thankful that you sent us the book so we can take a look and continue to support. And before we let you go, I have one question for you, right? Because you are very well researched and you have done a lot of work as it relates to, you know, just health and wellness, right? What is the actual legacy that you would like to leave? I want to leave something that people say, he helped me. directly indirectly he helped me you know either through the conversations we're having here or just my hands on them or my product i that's what i wanted i i feel that my gift to this world is to help people. Fantastic give a round of applause for that yeah right yes well doctor listen we're super excited to have you to have had you on the show for this conversation this was such an amazing interview. This time flew so fast. How can, you know, for those who are watching, because you're talking to an international audience where, you know, because we're on the radio and, you know, we're on iHeartMedia, we're all over the place, right? I mean, we have people in Africa who has been listening to us in the UK and giving us comments and thanking us for the show and things of that nature, making sure that they get this information. And I think You're talking the information that you're giving right now is just a worldwide kind of support that they can definitely use. And so how can they get in contact with you and find out more about what you're doing and when you release all of your products? Okay. You can get a hold of my website, which is R-H-E-E-G-E-N.com. On there, you can see a lot about the information about the topical stem cell. And then, of course, my book is there. And then you can just shoot me a little email right there on info and then ask me a question. And then, of course, all the social media and the Google and all that stuff, you can find me. For sure. For sure. Well, I'd like to thank you for coming to the show. You got something you want to holler at him about real quick? Tell him bye. No, I just want to say when the plant-based product is ready, just let us know. I wouldn't mind going through trials with you, you know, with that plant-based product. Yeah. Oh, you're going to love this thing. That way I can give testimonial. 100%. 100%. I would definitely get involved. All right. All right. Fantastic. I love it. Thank you. Well, we appreciate you, Dr. Tommy Ray. So we want to make sure that one thing that we say on the show is once you come to the show, you're a friend to the show. So you're always welcome to come back. But again, we'd like to thank you for coming. into the show and we wish you the best. And you make sure that you stay in contact with Retalk Weekly. Absolutely. Thank you, guys. I really appreciate this. No problem. You take care now.