In this episode of "Talk To Me, Michele," the focus is on a peculiar yet common phenomenon known as the "ick factor," primarily affecting women's perceptions in relationships. Michele explores when a seemingly minor detail can abruptly alter your attraction towards someone, unveiling this intuitive defense mechanism's evolutionary and psychological roots.
Discover how this intuition acts as a survival tool, dating back to our ancestors, enabling women to detect unfavorable traits in potential partners. The episode humorously discusses modern-day 'icks' and how these gut instincts serve as a protective measure against undesirable relationships.
Join Michele as she reveals insights on identifying minor annoyances versus real deal-breaking red flags and imparts wisdom on how to communicate discomfort confidently while maintaining one's self-worth. The conversation is sure to offer laughs, learning moments, and a reaffirmation of trust in one’s instincts in the dating world.
00:00:00 --> 00:00:27 Music.
00:00:27 --> 00:00:32 Welcome into another episode of Talk To Me, Michelle. I am hoping everybody
00:00:32 --> 00:00:34 out there that's listening is doing well.
00:00:34 --> 00:00:40 If you have not taken a moment to like or subscribe, please take a moment to do so right now.
00:00:40 --> 00:00:45 Now, I know I have some male listeners, but men, welcome you guys to stay engaged.
00:00:45 --> 00:00:50 But this particular episode is for the ladies. And ladies, I'm going to ask you a question.
00:00:51 --> 00:00:54 Have you ever been all in with somebody and when you're around them,
00:00:54 --> 00:00:56 you get that butterfly in the stomach effect?
00:00:57 --> 00:01:02 You're daydreaming, the whole thing. But suddenly out of nowhere,
00:01:02 --> 00:01:09 they do one tiny little thing that makes your brain go, hell to the no. No. Mm-mm.
00:01:09 --> 00:01:12 So if you have, ladies, I want to congratulate you first of all,
00:01:12 --> 00:01:16 because you, my friend, have experienced the ick factor.
00:01:18 --> 00:01:23 Now let's get real. What is the ick? It's that sudden can't be unseen moment
00:01:23 --> 00:01:27 when the attraction just evaporates. I mean, it is gone.
00:01:27 --> 00:01:32 I know this to be true because I have gone through the ick factor myself.
00:01:32 --> 00:01:36 Now, let me be courteous because I don't want anybody to think this is just
00:01:36 --> 00:01:37 something I'm pulling out the sky.
00:01:37 --> 00:01:41 This is an actual fact because I did experience it.
00:01:41 --> 00:01:47 I did not realize what I was going through until I came across some more information on it.
00:01:47 --> 00:01:50 And when I came across it, I was into this dude.
00:01:51 --> 00:01:56 I mean, I was into him. I was so into him. I would clip his toenails at midnight.
00:01:56 --> 00:01:59 You understand me? that's how into him I was but it
00:01:59 --> 00:02:03 was one day we were hanging out he didn't irritate me or nothing but it just
00:02:03 --> 00:02:10 like all of a sudden I was just looking at him and something said ew I hate
00:02:10 --> 00:02:15 to be that way ew because a number of things have built up and that's what led
00:02:15 --> 00:02:17 me to that particular instance.
00:02:18 --> 00:02:23 And maybe it's the way they loudly slurped a soup they could have mispronounced
00:02:23 --> 00:02:26 jalapeno or insisted on wearing socks with sandals.
00:02:27 --> 00:02:31 Yeah, whatever it is, you're left thinking this ain't going to work.
00:02:31 --> 00:02:35 This is not going to work. But this is the kicker now.
00:02:36 --> 00:02:42 Women seem to get the ick factor way more than men. And I wonder why, because it happens.
00:02:43 --> 00:02:48 It is like some deep evolutionary wiring in centuries of intuition that sharpen
00:02:48 --> 00:02:53 our radar as women. or just because we may have a few higher standards.
00:02:53 --> 00:02:55 But today I want to get to the heart of it all.
00:02:56 --> 00:02:59 The ick happens. And what does it mean when it happens?
00:02:59 --> 00:03:04 And believe it or not, ladies, it actually might be saving your life.
00:03:05 --> 00:03:09 So whatever your beverage of choice is, go grab it. Whatever fuels your fabulous
00:03:09 --> 00:03:13 self, we're going to laugh, we're going to learn, and we're going to keep it 100.
00:03:13 --> 00:03:17 By the end of this episode, you'll not only understand the ick,
00:03:17 --> 00:03:21 but you'll probably be laughing at your own moments when your brain screamed,
00:03:21 --> 00:03:23 abort mission, abort, abort.
00:03:24 --> 00:03:29 All right, ladies, let's talk about why the ick isn't just your brain being extra.
00:03:29 --> 00:03:34 It's actually a survival tool. It's a courtesy of evolution.
00:03:34 --> 00:03:39 Yes, your ancestors might have been side-eyeing bad behavior before. It was cool.
00:03:40 --> 00:03:44 Now, back in the day, like way back, you know, getting the ick wasn't about
00:03:44 --> 00:03:49 the cringeworthy text messages or somebody eating boneless wings with a fork.
00:03:50 --> 00:03:54 Nope, nope, nope, nope. It was about the survival, evolutionary.
00:03:55 --> 00:04:00 Psychology says that women developed this instinct to avoid partners who were,
00:04:00 --> 00:04:06 let's say, less than ideal for the whole keeping the species alive type of thing.
00:04:06 --> 00:04:12 If a guy shows signs of poor health, he couldn't protect his family or was about
00:04:12 --> 00:04:15 as dependable as the weatherman in April, your great, great,
00:04:15 --> 00:04:21 great, great, great, great, great grandma's gut was like, girl, you better run.
00:04:21 --> 00:04:28 You better run. It was nature's way of saying this won't help you survive the
00:04:28 --> 00:04:31 saber-toothed tiger attack that's going to be coming along pretty soon.
00:04:32 --> 00:04:37 So fast forward to today, and instead of spotting physical weakness or lack
00:04:37 --> 00:04:43 of resources, you're spotting emotional immaturity and bad vibes. That is the ick factor.
00:04:44 --> 00:04:48 And let's not forget, we as women are pros at long-term thinking.
00:04:48 --> 00:04:53 While some people are out here just winging it, women are mentally scanning
00:04:53 --> 00:04:56 the horizon and asking, could I tolerate this person for a decade?
00:04:56 --> 00:05:01 And I promise you, I ask myself this all the time when I'm really thinking I'm into somebody.
00:05:02 --> 00:05:07 A lifetime with this one, you know, it would be a hard no once that ick factor
00:05:07 --> 00:05:11 pulls in because the ick factor is like the bounce at the club shutting everything down.
00:05:12 --> 00:05:16 Then there's our intuition. That's a real superpower that we have.
00:05:16 --> 00:05:19 It's like having a built-in red flag detector
00:05:19 --> 00:05:22 the tiniest thing you know like the tone of
00:05:22 --> 00:05:25 the voice the way they talk to the server even their
00:05:25 --> 00:05:29 opinions on pineapples on pizza that
00:05:29 --> 00:05:32 can set off alarms for people now it isn't dramatic it isn't
00:05:32 --> 00:05:36 but is it necessary absolutely it's
00:05:36 --> 00:05:39 necessary because intuition doesn't miss so next
00:05:39 --> 00:05:42 time you feel this ick factor creeping and remember it's not
00:05:42 --> 00:05:48 just a mood killer it's your biology and psychology working overtime to protect
00:05:48 --> 00:05:52 you from what your ancestors would have called a bad investment you're basically
00:05:52 --> 00:05:59 channeling thousands of years of wisdom every time you say i am so good now i'm so good.
00:06:00 --> 00:06:04 Now, there are classic examples of the ick factor, shall we?
00:06:05 --> 00:06:08 So, ladies, I know you've been there. You're vibing with someone.
00:06:08 --> 00:06:13 Things are going well. Then, boom, one little thing sends your attraction into
00:06:13 --> 00:06:17 a witness protection program. You don't ever want to see them again.
00:06:17 --> 00:06:22 So, the common moments you have with the ick factor, number one, is bad hygiene.
00:06:22 --> 00:06:27 Nothing says nope, like noticing they have dirt under their nails.
00:06:27 --> 00:06:30 Of they got this mysterious odor going on that
00:06:30 --> 00:06:33 it shouldn't be mysterious I should only be smelling like soap and cologne
00:06:33 --> 00:06:39 the laugh it's fine until it sounds like a dying seal then suddenly you're calculating
00:06:39 --> 00:06:44 how to end that date early then you know the laugh is so hideous that everybody
00:06:44 --> 00:06:49 that you are around while you're dining is looking at you overly clingy behavior
00:06:49 --> 00:06:52 when they are texting you W.Y.D.
00:06:53 --> 00:06:57 Every 15 minutes or act like your oxygen on day two of knowing them.
00:06:58 --> 00:07:03 Sir, you got to relax. You got to relax. And unnecessary arrogance.
00:07:03 --> 00:07:05 Look, I like confidence.
00:07:05 --> 00:07:10 Confidence is sexy. But if you bragging about your high school football days,
00:07:10 --> 00:07:14 that was like back in what time? What, 2005? I'm good.
00:07:15 --> 00:07:18 Weird eating habits. If they slurping, they chewing loudly.
00:07:19 --> 00:07:22 This is wild. they cutting spaghetti with scissors yes
00:07:22 --> 00:07:25 it is out there y'all i'm telling you that's just like
00:07:25 --> 00:07:29 okay yeah we're gonna wrap this up now here's
00:07:29 --> 00:07:32 where it gets interesting because for women the ick factor is
00:07:32 --> 00:07:35 like a symphony of signs it's not just one thing it's
00:07:35 --> 00:07:39 the combination of things like the bad hygiene how
00:07:39 --> 00:07:41 they said i don't really like dogs you know
00:07:41 --> 00:07:45 follow them leaving like a 10 percent tip women are
00:07:45 --> 00:07:48 detail oriented so we stack the offenses like
00:07:48 --> 00:07:51 we playing dinner blocks up in this piece until it comes
00:07:51 --> 00:07:54 crashing down that's when we like yeah I figured all
00:07:54 --> 00:07:59 them bricks wasn't gonna hold men for some reason their tolerance is different
00:07:59 --> 00:08:04 he may notice the same things and but instead of him running for the heels he's
00:08:04 --> 00:08:08 probably thinking you know nobody's perfect ladies you've seen it because his
00:08:08 --> 00:08:12 girlfriend is out here roasting marshmallows with her bare hands and he just happy to be there.
00:08:13 --> 00:08:16 Men are more visual and women are more vibe driven.
00:08:17 --> 00:08:22 Now, nobody is immune to the ick factor because even celebrities go through the ick factor.
00:08:22 --> 00:08:27 It is well and alive in Hollywood because celebrities, they may have fame,
00:08:27 --> 00:08:34 fortune, even flawless Instagram filters, but they can't even escape those cringy relationship moments.
00:08:34 --> 00:08:38 A few examples I got here, which is Nick Cannon and his baby announcements.
00:08:38 --> 00:08:44 So y'all got to imagine dating somebody who treats fatherhood like it's a reality TV spinoff.
00:08:44 --> 00:08:47 And Nick Cannon's ongoing baby reveal tour
00:08:47 --> 00:08:50 that might not be someone's cup of tea most women
00:08:50 --> 00:08:53 they aim for it so that's a whole ocean of
00:08:53 --> 00:08:56 ick nothing says run like the possibility of
00:08:56 --> 00:09:02 becoming baby mama number 15 16 whatever and as much as I love Leonardo DiCaprio
00:09:02 --> 00:09:08 you know if you're over 25 you've basically expired with him it's a dating philosophy
00:09:08 --> 00:09:14 like a walking ick because dude can And you may be aimed for relationships that
00:09:14 --> 00:09:16 last longer than a TikTok trend.
00:09:16 --> 00:09:21 So women have higher standards, sharper instincts, and probably have saved themselves
00:09:21 --> 00:09:24 a lot of headaches by letting the ick take the wheel.
00:09:24 --> 00:09:27 Men, y'all might want to borrow a page from my playbook. Trust me,
00:09:27 --> 00:09:31 it will save you from dating someone who drinks milk with every meal.
00:09:32 --> 00:09:35 All right, let's get into the tea, because if we're talking about the ick,
00:09:35 --> 00:09:39 we have to talk about how society messes with our heads at the same time when
00:09:39 --> 00:09:40 it comes to relationships.
00:09:41 --> 00:09:45 Because society loves to tell women to be picky, but not too picky.
00:09:46 --> 00:09:50 We're supposed to find someone who is just good enough and settle down.
00:09:50 --> 00:09:55 But heaven forbid we actually trust our instincts when it comes to feeling like something is off.
00:09:55 --> 00:09:59 You know, like he interrupts every five seconds. You know, that's how men are,
00:10:00 --> 00:10:01 sweetie. No, we're not doing that.
00:10:02 --> 00:10:06 And meanwhile, men are out here with standards as flexible as yoga instructors.
00:10:06 --> 00:10:10 They're not even bombarded with messages like, you know, don't wait too long.
00:10:10 --> 00:10:12 Your biological clock is ticking.
00:10:12 --> 00:10:18 Instead, they're told to live up and settle down when they feel like it. So what's the result?
00:10:18 --> 00:10:25 Women are navigating this weird tightrope between social pressures and their instincts screaming.
00:10:25 --> 00:10:30 So, girl, you got to do better. So you can't let society run how you think it should go.
00:10:30 --> 00:10:33 And here's something else that women have that we shine
00:10:33 --> 00:10:36 in we have got this built-in radar again it's
00:10:36 --> 00:10:39 emotional compatibility if something feels
00:10:39 --> 00:10:45 slightly off whether it's the way he side-eyes the waitress or he can't hold
00:10:45 --> 00:10:50 a conversation for longer than five minutes we pick up on that quick that heightened
00:10:50 --> 00:10:55 emotional awareness is why we are so good at spotting red flags even when they're
00:10:55 --> 00:10:57 camouflaged as he's just having a bad day.
00:10:58 --> 00:11:02 And let's face it, the world has trained us to anticipate drama.
00:11:02 --> 00:11:06 So when we get that gut feeling, we're not overreacting.
00:11:06 --> 00:11:11 We're proactively saving ourselves from heartache, awkward holiday dinners,
00:11:11 --> 00:11:14 and the years of, did you take the trash out arguments?
00:11:14 --> 00:11:20 Now, men do get the ick. They do. But you don't hear about it as much because
00:11:20 --> 00:11:24 men don't call it the egg they just say I wasn't feeling it or they just ghost them,
00:11:25 --> 00:11:29 For men, it's often about the surface level stuff. Maybe she talks too loud.
00:11:29 --> 00:11:33 She may not like sports or does something that can't explain,
00:11:33 --> 00:11:35 but they know they don't like it.
00:11:35 --> 00:11:39 For men, it's often about surface level stuff. Maybe she talks too loud.
00:11:39 --> 00:11:42 She don't like sports or does something that they can't explain,
00:11:43 --> 00:11:44 but they know they don't like it.
00:11:44 --> 00:11:51 But here's the kicker. Men seem to hit the pause button on the ick way more than we do as women.
00:11:51 --> 00:11:54 They stick around even if the vibes are off.
00:11:54 --> 00:11:57 They just hope it gets better but women
00:11:57 --> 00:12:00 yo we out the door at the first sign of someone
00:12:00 --> 00:12:03 mispronouncing anything so while women
00:12:03 --> 00:12:05 are out here dodging these emotional landmines like a ninja
00:12:05 --> 00:12:08 with precision men are more like i'm gonna see where
00:12:08 --> 00:12:11 this goes just to see but spoiler alert fellas
00:12:11 --> 00:12:14 it doesn't go anywhere good i'm gonna
00:12:14 --> 00:12:17 tell you right now let's normalize listening to
00:12:17 --> 00:12:20 our gut you know we need to listen to our gut that's why
00:12:20 --> 00:12:23 it is there life is too short to settle for anything
00:12:23 --> 00:12:26 less than amazing let's talk about how the
00:12:26 --> 00:12:29 ick factor isn't just your brain being dramatic
00:12:29 --> 00:12:32 it's your built-in protective shield like wonder
00:12:32 --> 00:12:36 woman's bracelets you know but you dating for your life first of
00:12:36 --> 00:12:39 all the ick factor is your bestie it's the
00:12:39 --> 00:12:44 one that's whispering in your ear girl this ain't right this ain't it you know
00:12:44 --> 00:12:47 when you catch him wearing flip-flops to a nice restaurant or talking about
00:12:47 --> 00:12:52 his crypto portfolio way too much it's not just about the surface level cringe
00:12:52 --> 00:12:58 The ick is a defense system designed to keep you away from toxic or dead in relationships.
00:12:58 --> 00:13:03 And I know I had the ick factor when I first started this podcast and I talked
00:13:03 --> 00:13:05 about the guy I dated who was majorly into Comic-Con.
00:13:05 --> 00:13:09 That's all he would talk about. So I definitely got a major ick factor going on.
00:13:09 --> 00:13:14 And when your gut is waving red flags like the Olympics at the opening ceremony.
00:13:15 --> 00:13:19 The ick factor, it steps in and says, nope, not today.
00:13:19 --> 00:13:26 Maybe it's how he dismisses your opinions or the way he avoids responsibility like it's a bad ex.
00:13:26 --> 00:13:30 Either way, that gut feeling isn't just about what's annoying.
00:13:30 --> 00:13:32 It's about what's wrong.
00:13:32 --> 00:13:37 You got to trust it. Your intuition knows when somebody is about to turn your life into a soap opera.
00:13:39 --> 00:13:43 And the truth is, stressful relationships are bad for your health.
00:13:43 --> 00:13:48 It's like binge eating chocolate and pretending like kale doesn't exist. It's just bad.
00:13:48 --> 00:13:52 And acting on the ick factor itself is self-care.
00:13:52 --> 00:13:56 It's dodging a future where you're constantly rolling your eyes.
00:13:56 --> 00:14:01 Arguing over the remote, or trying to fix someone who isn't clearly willing to be fixed.
00:14:02 --> 00:14:06 By walking away when your gut tells you to, you're saving yourself.
00:14:06 --> 00:14:10 It's unnecessary emotional baggage we do not need.
00:14:10 --> 00:14:15 So you know the kind that has you venting to your friends at a brunch for years
00:14:15 --> 00:14:21 and considering therapy because he didn't even believe in the boundaries that were set.
00:14:21 --> 00:14:24 So here's another thing you want to take into consideration.
00:14:24 --> 00:14:28 Dodging the bad vibes. that's actually going to help prolong your life.
00:14:28 --> 00:14:31 Please listen to me on that one. It prolongs your life.
00:14:32 --> 00:14:37 Seriously, there is a science that's backing this up because less stress equals better health.
00:14:37 --> 00:14:42 And better health equals to more years to sip wine, laugh with your girls,
00:14:42 --> 00:14:44 all about the mess you didn't sign up for.
00:14:45 --> 00:14:49 All right, let's break this down because not every ick is a deal breaker.
00:14:49 --> 00:14:54 Sometimes it's just a side-eyed moment. But how do you know when it's just an
00:14:54 --> 00:14:59 annoyance versus a full-blown red flag waving like it's at the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade.
00:15:00 --> 00:15:04 The minor annoyances versus the serious red flags, like he may chew his gum loud.
00:15:05 --> 00:15:08 It's annoying, yes it is, but it's not relationship ending.
00:15:09 --> 00:15:12 Unless he's out here auditioning for America's Loudest Eater,
00:15:12 --> 00:15:13 you could probably let that one slide.
00:15:14 --> 00:15:18 A serious red flag is when he's chewing loudly while he's also talking with
00:15:18 --> 00:15:21 his mouth full about how he don't believe in monogamy.
00:15:21 --> 00:15:26 On the second date, that's not the egg factor, honey, that's your exit cue.
00:15:27 --> 00:15:30 A minor annoyance may also be that he's late. He's late sometimes.
00:15:30 --> 00:15:35 We all have our late moments. But it's a red flag when he's consistently late
00:15:35 --> 00:15:39 and blames you for not reminding him. I'm like, sweetheart, technology is here for that.
00:15:39 --> 00:15:44 If you're too simple to set your alarm, I can't help you. That's called irresponsibility.
00:15:44 --> 00:15:46 And we don't have time for that kind of energy.
00:15:47 --> 00:15:51 Let's explore some tips for communicating discomfort in these relationships.
00:15:51 --> 00:15:57 Because when somebody is bothering you, you don't have to unleash like the ninja star.
00:15:57 --> 00:16:00 Just start off with a soft approach. Use a little humor. Like,
00:16:01 --> 00:16:04 you know, if I had a dollar for every time you forgot to text back,
00:16:04 --> 00:16:05 I'd be buying us dinner right now.
00:16:06 --> 00:16:11 This is keeping it light, but it gets to the point as well. You want to be direct, but not dramatic.
00:16:12 --> 00:16:16 Hey, it really bothers me when you show up late. Can we work on that? Please.
00:16:16 --> 00:16:20 You want to stay calm. As my girls say, we keep it classy.
00:16:21 --> 00:16:25 Set the boundaries. I'm happy to make plans, but I need you to respect my time.
00:16:26 --> 00:16:30 Simple, effective, and you have confidence when you're delivering the message.
00:16:31 --> 00:16:36 So sometimes we have to distinguish when you want to trust your instincts versus giving a second chance.
00:16:36 --> 00:16:41 If it feels off, it probably is. So trust your instincts on that factor.
00:16:41 --> 00:16:45 They've been fine-tuned over a lifetime of dodging bad vibes and questionable situations.
00:16:46 --> 00:16:50 Trusting your instincts, you know, that kicks in when discomfort feels like
00:16:50 --> 00:16:54 more of a warning than a passing thought. You got to listen to that.
00:16:54 --> 00:16:59 Things like lack of respect, the consistent selfishness. Are they dishonest?
00:16:59 --> 00:17:01 These don't deserve second chances.
00:17:01 --> 00:17:06 But if you do want to give a second chance, it's a one-time thing and they genuinely
00:17:06 --> 00:17:09 got to own up. Maybe they forgot your birthday.
00:17:09 --> 00:17:15 Maybe. Okay. Forgetting their own birthday, that's worth a laugh and a chance.
00:17:15 --> 00:17:18 At the end of the day, you got to trust yourself because you know what's worth
00:17:18 --> 00:17:22 working through and what's not. Because life is too short.
00:17:22 --> 00:17:28 You cannot spend your life convincing yourself that these red flags are just quirky decor.
00:17:29 --> 00:17:33 So here's what we learned today about the ick, the ultimate relationship radar.
00:17:34 --> 00:17:38 The minor annoyances versus the red flags. Not every loud chew,
00:17:38 --> 00:17:41 funky dance move is a deal breaker.
00:17:41 --> 00:17:45 But if your gut is screaming, run. You need to listen.
00:17:46 --> 00:17:50 Keep in mind, it's also a protective mechanism. The ict isn't just petty.
00:17:50 --> 00:17:56 It's your brain's way of saying, this situation ain't worth the piece that you're going to be giving up.
00:17:57 --> 00:18:00 Please trust your gut. Your instincts are smarter than your friends,
00:18:01 --> 00:18:05 than your horoscope reading, and your mom's advice sometimes.
00:18:05 --> 00:18:10 You got to combine all this, because when it feels wrong, don't try to talk yourself out of it.
00:18:11 --> 00:18:14 And when you communicate, communicate like a boss. you
00:18:14 --> 00:18:17 know if something is bothering you but it isn't the
00:18:17 --> 00:18:20 icky type of way you gotta say it with humor confidence
00:18:20 --> 00:18:23 and a little side of sass the biggest
00:18:23 --> 00:18:28 lesson though ladies is to know your worth you're a whole queen out here don't
00:18:28 --> 00:18:32 settle for someone who makes you feel less than amazing just because society
00:18:32 --> 00:18:38 whispers maybe you're being a little too picky damn it yes i am here's the tea
00:18:38 --> 00:18:43 You deserve a partner who makes you feel cherished, supported, and a little giddy.
00:18:43 --> 00:18:45 So trust your instincts and honor your boundaries.
00:18:46 --> 00:18:49 And don't waste time on anyone who makes you question yourself.
00:18:50 --> 00:18:53 Thank you guys again for tuning in to another episode of Talk to Me, Michelle.
00:18:53 --> 00:18:56 I hope that you enjoyed this episode. So if you found it insightful,
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