Hosts Dave Coker and Leonard Young talk with Jerome Saunders about preserving the legacy of Price's Run, the Prices Run Originals nonprofit, and their upcoming Community Day featuring health vendors, voter registration, music, and food. Saunders shares memories of the park’s golden era and efforts to restore youth programs and neighborhood pride.
The episode also covers personal stories like a Spelman move-in, a discussion about why kids avoid parks today, a Virginia school renaming court ruling, and a lighthearted parenting dilemma segment.
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00:01:32 --> 00:01:34 I'm hanging out with my partner, Mr. Leonard Young. What's going on,
00:01:34 --> 00:01:39 sir? Hey, Dave. Everything is good. This is Leonard Young, CEO of National Black
00:01:39 --> 00:01:46 Guide, DelawareBlack.com, Black Media Specialist, all-around good guy. How goes it?
00:01:46 --> 00:01:48 Hey, man. I can't complain, man.
00:01:50 --> 00:01:53 I swear you're a superhero, man, because you'd be all over the place, man.
00:01:54 --> 00:01:59 I know this was a big weekend for you. Did you cry? Surprisingly, I did not cry. No tears.
00:02:00 --> 00:02:02 Okay. Tell everybody what we're talking about.
00:02:03 --> 00:02:07 So, of course, my daughter graduated high school in this past,
00:02:07 --> 00:02:12 I guess, April, May, and she decided she'd be going to Spelman University.
00:02:13 --> 00:02:20 And I survived graduation, no tears. I survived the graduation party, no tears.
00:02:20 --> 00:02:24 And then this weekend, I helped move her in. Well, actually,
00:02:24 --> 00:02:29 yesterday, Monday, I helped move her into her dorm and no tears.
00:02:29 --> 00:02:36 So, you know, right now I'm tear free. But I can't lie. I do feel a certain way.
00:02:37 --> 00:02:40 I do feel a certain way. But there were no tears.
00:02:40 --> 00:02:46 Probably because the dorm she was in was so hot because her dorm at Spelman doesn't have AC.
00:02:47 --> 00:02:52 So in my mind, I think I was too dehydrated to cry, but, you know,
00:02:52 --> 00:02:54 still felt it anyway, so.
00:02:54 --> 00:02:58 Well, you know what's so amazing, though, Leonard? I remember,
00:02:58 --> 00:03:03 you know, we've been on the air since your daughter started high school.
00:03:03 --> 00:03:06 I know. You know, prior to her starting high school.
00:03:07 --> 00:03:11 And I can't believe that she just, got dropped off to college already.
00:03:12 --> 00:03:15 I mean, that, that, that time went so fast.
00:03:16 --> 00:03:20 Too fast. Well, you know, they, it's always funny when you hear other people
00:03:20 --> 00:03:24 talk about their children and, and I, I'll reference our good friend,
00:03:24 --> 00:03:27 Dave Woolley, you know, Dave Woolley always talks about,
00:03:27 --> 00:03:31 you know, oh man, these, these times going to fly by and cherish them.
00:03:32 --> 00:03:35 And, you know, I think a lot of times we, you know, we don't appreciate the
00:03:35 --> 00:03:39 time we have with certain people until they're, you know, family,
00:03:39 --> 00:03:41 mothers, father, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters.
00:03:41 --> 00:03:46 A lot of time, you know, we don't cherish these memories until they're either,
00:03:46 --> 00:03:50 they flew by or, you know, unfortunately, you know, we can't,
00:03:50 --> 00:03:53 you know, be with those people anymore. So.
00:03:53 --> 00:03:59 Right. Yeah. But yeah, Dave, this flew by. I was like, man, like nothing makes
00:03:59 --> 00:04:04 you feel old, like dropping some kids off at college for sure. Yeah, right.
00:04:04 --> 00:04:09 And, you know, you just did number one. I mean, you got another one following
00:04:09 --> 00:04:12 beyond, you know, so, you know, you'll be doing it again soon.
00:04:12 --> 00:04:16 So, you know, so sure. Yeah.
00:04:16 --> 00:04:21 So but that's that's a great thing, though, that because one thing one thing
00:04:21 --> 00:04:24 is a great thing that she wanted to go to school because, you know,
00:04:24 --> 00:04:26 a lot of young people like not to do it these days.
00:04:26 --> 00:04:31 So, you know, and to go to a school, prestige school like that,
00:04:31 --> 00:04:33 that's that's an awesome thing as well.
00:04:33 --> 00:04:38 So, so we'll be talking about her in another four years, you know,
00:04:38 --> 00:04:42 you know, talking about, man, we just talked about you dropping her off to the
00:04:42 --> 00:04:44 hot box down there. I know. I know.
00:04:45 --> 00:04:50 So, but that's great. And I know, was the weather hot down there like it was up here?
00:04:50 --> 00:04:55 Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, it wasn't like smelter, like smelting hot,
00:04:55 --> 00:04:57 but I mean, it was definitely hot.
00:04:57 --> 00:05:00 It was humid, which, you know, just made a little bit worse.
00:05:00 --> 00:05:03 But it wasn't unbearable, but,
00:05:03 --> 00:05:09 you know, probably typical August Atlanta weather. Right, right. Okay.
00:05:10 --> 00:05:13 All right. So, Dave, a couple of cool things I thought were cool.
00:05:14 --> 00:05:18 I can't remember. Remind me. Did we talk about Miss Spelman on here,
00:05:18 --> 00:05:21 how there were two Miss Spelmans? Yeah, remember? Yeah, we talked about that.
00:05:21 --> 00:05:23 Yeah, we talked about that a couple of weeks ago. Okay.
00:05:24 --> 00:05:29 So my daughter, Amaya, she's on the Spelman dance team. She,
00:05:29 --> 00:05:32 you know, she auditioned and she made the Spelman dance team. Okay.
00:05:33 --> 00:05:38 And one of the other people on the dance team is Miss, the current Miss Spelman.
00:05:38 --> 00:05:42 Oh, so she's the one that kept the crown. Yep. She's the one who kept the crown.
00:05:42 --> 00:05:44 And my daughter says she helped move her in because I guess,
00:05:44 --> 00:05:46 you know, she moved in off campus.
00:05:46 --> 00:05:50 Some of the freshman girls by choice helped her move in. Because,
00:05:50 --> 00:05:53 you know, at first I'm like, oh, you know, was she hazing y'all? She made y'all?
00:05:53 --> 00:05:57 But they volunteered to help her move in. So I thought that was a pretty cool,
00:05:57 --> 00:06:01 you know, just being able to be associated with certain people or know certain
00:06:01 --> 00:06:03 people coming in your freshman year.
00:06:05 --> 00:06:10 I'm trying to remember. Was she an AKA or was she a Delta? I'm not sure.
00:06:11 --> 00:06:14 I think she was an AKA, if I'm not mistaken.
00:06:15 --> 00:06:19 But that's good that you had people that are helping like that.
00:06:19 --> 00:06:24 Hopefully, did you tell Maya that we talked about her? Yeah.
00:06:27 --> 00:06:33 That was a very interesting topic. So, but hopefully, well, I guess Amaya will
00:06:33 --> 00:06:38 be able to see, you know, everything up close and personal now, how things go.
00:06:38 --> 00:06:43 So, so, but hopefully she doesn't get caught up in too many clicks down there, though.
00:06:44 --> 00:06:48 Because we know how that could be, too, you know, so, yeah. Yep.
00:06:48 --> 00:06:52 And Dave, real quick, I also want to give a shout out to your friend who was
00:06:52 --> 00:06:56 at GNR Campground. Oh, okay.
00:06:56 --> 00:07:02 Charlemagne Park? Yep, Charlemagne. So it was good meeting some of our listeners.
00:07:02 --> 00:07:08 And I'm glad I finally got the truth that, you know, people love my tidbits
00:07:08 --> 00:07:09 more than love yours. You know.
00:07:12 --> 00:07:16 It was so refreshing to confirm this. Yeah, okay, all right.
00:07:16 --> 00:07:19 Yeah, you down there sniffing that campground air down there.
00:07:19 --> 00:07:22 Okay, all right, I understand, I understand.
00:07:22 --> 00:07:25 But we'll keep it moving because I know better.
00:07:26 --> 00:07:30 But anyway, well, I'm glad you had such a good weekend.
00:07:30 --> 00:07:34 I'll just say my weekend was kind of interesting. Saturday, I woke up,
00:07:34 --> 00:07:38 and unfortunately, you just kind of talked about time going past.
00:07:38 --> 00:07:42 I had a cousin of mine that we laid to rest on Saturday morning,
00:07:42 --> 00:07:48 somebody I grew up with and one of my first cousins, and someone very close to growing up.
00:07:49 --> 00:07:55 And then, just as later on that night, ended up going to another cousin's 60th
00:07:55 --> 00:07:59 birthday party. So, you know, so it was just an interesting day that day.
00:07:59 --> 00:08:03 And, you know, so, you know, you
00:08:03 --> 00:08:06 know, so my weekend was kind of full with that type of stuff. So, yeah.
00:08:07 --> 00:08:10 But, you know, it's always good seeing family, but you hate seeing family in
00:08:10 --> 00:08:13 certain circumstances like death. I agree.
00:08:13 --> 00:08:20 Yeah. So, but. All right. Well, we do have a guest on with us today and we're
00:08:20 --> 00:08:24 fortunate enough to have this this person on with us today. Why don't you give
00:08:24 --> 00:08:28 a little background as who we have on and bring our guests on?
00:08:28 --> 00:08:34 Sure. So today we have Mr. Jerome Sanders. Jerome Sanders has deep roots in
00:08:34 --> 00:08:40 Northeast Wilmington, growing up on North Pine Street, directly across from Price's Run Park.
00:08:40 --> 00:08:44 As a young man, he looked up to a group of neighborhood athletes who excelled
00:08:44 --> 00:08:47 in football, basketball and baseball,
00:08:48 --> 00:08:54 and later came together to form the Prices Run Originals in 1987,
00:08:54 --> 00:08:57 led by Lenny Burton and Ben Martin.
00:08:58 --> 00:09:02 As the years passed and many of the group's gatherings and traditions faded,
00:09:02 --> 00:09:06 Sanders made it his mission to help preserve their legacy.
00:09:06 --> 00:09:13 He began interviewing original members for a three-hour video project called
00:09:13 --> 00:09:18 The Chronicles of Northeast Wilmington, which eventually helped inspire the
00:09:18 --> 00:09:19 group to come back together.
00:09:20 --> 00:09:28 Today, Sanders and the Prices Run Originals are continuing that legacy as an
00:09:28 --> 00:09:30 incorporated 501c3 nonprofit,
00:09:31 --> 00:09:36 hosting annual community events, preserving Northeast Wilmington history,
00:09:37 --> 00:09:41 and working to show young people in the neighborhood a positive path forward.
00:09:41 --> 00:09:47 So without further ado, I would like to welcome Mr. Jerome Sanders to the show.
00:09:47 --> 00:09:48 How are you, sir? Saunders, Saunders.
00:09:49 --> 00:09:53 Oh, Saunders. I'm sorry. I apologize.
00:09:53 --> 00:09:59 Yep. Jerome, how are you today? Hi, everybody doing? Good evening to everyone.
00:09:59 --> 00:10:03 Good evening. Good evening, sir. Thank you for taking a moment to hang out with
00:10:03 --> 00:10:12 us and join us and give us some insight as to everything that Leonard just spoke of in your bio and,
00:10:13 --> 00:10:18 Hopefully, we can enlighten some people out there about the rich history,
00:10:18 --> 00:10:19 especially when it comes to Prices Park.
00:10:20 --> 00:10:26 So, let you get started. Yep. So, Jerron, I guess to start out with,
00:10:26 --> 00:10:32 can you take us back to growing up on North Pine Street across from Prices Run Park?
00:10:35 --> 00:10:38 What was the neighborhood like back then? Well, when I first moved there in
00:10:38 --> 00:10:41 19—our family moved in 1958.
00:10:42 --> 00:10:51 When we moved in, the area was probably 1% African-American, and we were the 1%.
00:10:51 --> 00:10:59 So after we decided, after we moved in, I guess white America started to move out a little.
00:10:59 --> 00:11:06 And eventually they all moved by 1965, 60, 66.
00:11:07 --> 00:11:12 It was turning to be African-American neighborhood. When we first moved in that
00:11:12 --> 00:11:15 area, they had an ice skating rink. Oh, wow.
00:11:16 --> 00:11:18 Right in the center of the park.
00:11:19 --> 00:11:23 Wow, I didn't do that. Yeah, right in the center of the park was an ice skating rink.
00:11:25 --> 00:11:30 And I went ice skating. I couldn't ice skate. You know, I was on my ankles and
00:11:30 --> 00:11:33 my brother, James Saunders, he could ice skate very well.
00:11:33 --> 00:11:39 And he showed off, you know, because I couldn't ice skate and not too many African-Americans
00:11:39 --> 00:11:41 could actually ice skate.
00:11:42 --> 00:11:46 And down on the 26th Street side where the basketball courts are now,
00:11:47 --> 00:11:50 they were all tennis courts, clay courts. Oh, wow.
00:11:50 --> 00:11:56 Eventually, after after a while, they got rid of the tennis courts and made
00:11:56 --> 00:11:58 them basketball courts.
00:11:59 --> 00:12:04 But the original guys, they originated on the 23rd Street side,
00:12:04 --> 00:12:06 where it was only one basketball court.
00:12:07 --> 00:12:09 That's where it all came from.
00:12:10 --> 00:12:15 Guys became, they started a group called Sportsman Association.
00:12:15 --> 00:12:21 Prices Run Originals was started by a guy by the name of Lenny Burton and Ben Martin.
00:12:22 --> 00:12:25 And they, you know, they started doing different things in the area,
00:12:25 --> 00:12:28 like having longshoremen dances and things of that nature.
00:12:28 --> 00:12:31 But eventually it kind of slacked off.
00:12:31 --> 00:12:38 And Ben Martin, Vice President, he asked me, you know, could I continue,
00:12:39 --> 00:12:42 you know, to bring the park guys, well, back then, they called them the park
00:12:42 --> 00:12:44 boys, back together again.
00:12:44 --> 00:12:50 So I sat down with each member that was still around and did a video.
00:12:50 --> 00:12:54 We call it the Chronicles of Northeast Wilmington. I interviewed each guy,
00:12:55 --> 00:12:58 you know, and they gave me a whole lot of insights of, you know,
00:12:58 --> 00:13:01 what they did when they were kids, when they grew up in that area.
00:13:01 --> 00:13:04 But the area has changed so much. It's not the same anymore.
00:13:04 --> 00:13:07 And that's the purpose we're trying to do.
00:13:07 --> 00:13:12 We're trying to bring it back to, you know, so, you know, people feel safer
00:13:12 --> 00:13:16 in the park. And I've noticed that something is very different about prices
00:13:16 --> 00:13:20 run now. It's not the same anymore. But we're trying.
00:13:20 --> 00:13:25 We want to bring it back to where it was. And right now we have a committee
00:13:25 --> 00:13:28 called Sportsman Association Prices Run Originals.
00:13:28 --> 00:13:33 And on that committee, we have Ronald Patton, Clinton Times.
00:13:34 --> 00:13:40 Alton Williams, Tyrone Butler, Valerie Simpson, Bobby Dillard.
00:13:41 --> 00:13:44 We're trying to bring everything back together and make everything work like
00:13:44 --> 00:13:48 it used to be. But it's hard right now because the areas change.
00:13:49 --> 00:13:53 And really what's happening in that area, we're not. We live there.
00:13:54 --> 00:13:59 We all own our homes. right now no one owns their homes and they don't really
00:13:59 --> 00:14:05 care how they treat the area so that makes it difficult for,
00:14:06 --> 00:14:10 the area to really, you know, be about what it should be.
00:14:11 --> 00:14:15 But it's still Price is Run, but not really Price is Run.
00:14:15 --> 00:14:20 Gotcha. So, Jerome, let me ask you this. So taking it back a little bit,
00:14:20 --> 00:14:24 I know you talked about looking up to certain individuals, you know,
00:14:24 --> 00:14:26 looking up to them as athletes.
00:14:26 --> 00:14:31 You know, who were some of the standout players that you remember?
00:14:32 --> 00:14:36 And then, you know, what do you remember about watching them play?
00:14:36 --> 00:14:41 Well, it was a particular individual that I really like watching play.
00:14:41 --> 00:14:42 His name was Kenny Miller.
00:14:43 --> 00:14:50 Kenny Miller had a unique defense that if he decided to really play you.
00:14:51 --> 00:14:55 You couldn't receive the ball or you had to know where he was on the football
00:14:55 --> 00:14:58 field and he had the ability to do everything.
00:14:58 --> 00:15:00 I mean, he could run.
00:15:01 --> 00:15:06 He could jump just high enough to do what he needed to do on the basketball
00:15:06 --> 00:15:09 court. He could swim, hurl.
00:15:10 --> 00:15:14 It wasn't too much that Kenny couldn't do. Now, he was an outstanding athlete.
00:15:14 --> 00:15:21 In my opinion, he was the best athlete that ever come out of the Price is Run area. Oh, wow.
00:15:21 --> 00:15:26 There's a couple more that really, really, really, really I looked up to.
00:15:27 --> 00:15:32 But Kenny Miller was the one that really gave me my insight to really pay attention
00:15:32 --> 00:15:35 to these guys because, you know, and everybody else paid attention to Kenny
00:15:35 --> 00:15:39 Miller, too, because of the way he could play, the things he could do,
00:15:40 --> 00:15:43 and his demeanor that he carried himself, how he carried himself.
00:15:43 --> 00:15:50 Gotcha. Now, I know you talked about also, you talked about there were a lot
00:15:50 --> 00:15:52 of traditions that kind of stopped.
00:15:53 --> 00:15:56 But so I guess one, did they kind of stop because, you know,
00:15:56 --> 00:16:00 people just kind of had their own lives to live and, you know,
00:16:00 --> 00:16:01 their responsibilities.
00:16:01 --> 00:16:08 And then what made, you know, or who made the decision or what was the decision that.
00:16:09 --> 00:16:13 Kind of said, like, okay, we need to bring this back. This is what the community needs.
00:16:14 --> 00:16:21 Well, the park changed, right? Back then, we had a park director named Major Harrison.
00:16:22 --> 00:16:26 You know, the park would open up, I guess, around 9 o'clock in the morning,
00:16:26 --> 00:16:32 and he would come. He had a program for the guys, for everyone when they came
00:16:32 --> 00:16:34 in the park. It was all kinds of activity.
00:16:35 --> 00:16:39 But today, that's not happening anymore. There's no activity.
00:16:39 --> 00:16:43 For the kids right now there's no active nothing to do you know they used to
00:16:43 --> 00:16:48 have that little green box and the green the green bench down there and there
00:16:48 --> 00:16:53 were different leagues that these guys played in and major hashton was the one,
00:16:54 --> 00:16:58 that directed all these guys to you know the different sports that they learned
00:16:58 --> 00:17:00 how to play you know and after,
00:17:00 --> 00:17:05 after it just stopped all of a sudden no more activity no more wreck no more
00:17:05 --> 00:17:10 anything in price's run the swimming pool was still there But that wasn't, you know.
00:17:11 --> 00:17:15 It became, it wasn't active anymore for a while.
00:17:15 --> 00:17:20 You know, it just stopped. And then they had football, football by Wilson Mickey Smith.
00:17:20 --> 00:17:23 You know, he was my coach.
00:17:24 --> 00:17:31 He really had an impact on kids. Like, we went 13-0 when he coached me.
00:17:32 --> 00:17:38 I coached guys like Ronald Bennett, Orvi Coles, Larry Coles, Roddy Palmer.
00:17:39 --> 00:17:44 See, I can't name everybody right off the top of my head, but it was a lot of
00:17:44 --> 00:17:47 guys that really looked up to Mickey Smith.
00:17:47 --> 00:17:52 But the older guys had Mr. Gross. Edward Gross, Kenny Miller,
00:17:52 --> 00:17:55 Bobby Dillard, and guys of that nature.
00:17:55 --> 00:17:58 They had Edward Gross. And they were before me.
00:17:58 --> 00:18:05 And these guys, I used to watch play football right across from where I lived. I lived 25th and Pine.
00:18:06 --> 00:18:09 And you wouldn't think that they were really friends because they would hit
00:18:09 --> 00:18:12 you and try to really hurt you, you know.
00:18:12 --> 00:18:19 And it was all about football back there in them days, like Art Madrick and all these guys.
00:18:19 --> 00:18:22 They are older than me, you know, and Lenny Burton, all these guys.
00:18:22 --> 00:18:27 They were really serious athletes back then. It really made me pay close attention.
00:18:28 --> 00:18:31 Ronald Harris, I'm calling Kamoko now, Kamoko Harris.
00:18:31 --> 00:18:36 But I really paid close attention to these guys because all these guys was on the All-Star team.
00:18:37 --> 00:18:41 Every one of them, you know, So all of them had blue and gold jerseys.
00:18:41 --> 00:18:46 And from the other sides of town, they would come to try to beat the guys in the park.
00:18:47 --> 00:18:49 But no one could beat these guys in the park. Let me tell you,
00:18:49 --> 00:18:53 these guys were super athletes. And, you know, I really looked up to them.
00:18:54 --> 00:18:57 And Ben got real sick. Ben Martin, he got real sick. He said,
00:18:57 --> 00:19:01 Jerome, you're probably the only one around that really knows everybody.
00:19:01 --> 00:19:05 And he asked me, he said, could you bring these guys back together?
00:19:06 --> 00:19:11 It. And that's when I did the interview and called it the Chronicles of the
00:19:11 --> 00:19:14 1960s and brought them all back together.
00:19:14 --> 00:19:18 Like the original picture, they have on the original picture,
00:19:19 --> 00:19:24 it says for children of the 1960s, Price is one of those more than a place where
00:19:24 --> 00:19:26 the dreams became reality.
00:19:27 --> 00:19:33 And on that photograph is Dr. Alton Williams. Back then we call him Butch.
00:19:34 --> 00:19:40 O.C. Crumpler, Boo Young. Boo Young was an outstanding fullback.
00:19:40 --> 00:19:47 He was the first African-American to make All-State to come out of P.S. in 1965.
00:19:47 --> 00:19:49 Then they have Kamoko Harris.
00:19:50 --> 00:19:53 He was an all-star. And then you have Lenny Burton.
00:19:54 --> 00:19:58 Then you have Gamaliel Watson. He went to Brown Tech, Ben Martin, and Edward Seitz.
00:19:59 --> 00:20:06 These guys are the guys that are on the original article of the park guys.
00:20:07 --> 00:20:12 The park was more than a park back then in the 60s. It was a place to go. It was a place to be.
00:20:13 --> 00:20:17 It was something that everybody really looked forward to coming to Price is
00:20:17 --> 00:20:20 Run. It always was a baseball game.
00:20:21 --> 00:20:25 Always was something to do in the park. Today, it's not happening.
00:20:26 --> 00:20:30 I don't know what's going on there, but it's not happening like it should be.
00:20:30 --> 00:20:35 And we're trying as a committee to bring all this back together and make things
00:20:35 --> 00:20:36 happen like it used to be.
00:20:37 --> 00:20:42 But the community has changed so much because when you don't own your home,
00:20:42 --> 00:20:45 you don't pay close attention to what is really going on.
00:20:45 --> 00:20:51 You don't pay attention to how you should pick up the paper and do certain things
00:20:51 --> 00:20:52 in the area. And that's not happening.
00:20:53 --> 00:20:58 And we're trying to bring this back to where people can understand how you're
00:20:58 --> 00:21:03 supposed to really live in an area that was really meant to be something.
00:21:04 --> 00:21:08 Gotcha. So I know you also mentioned about and you mentioned a couple of times,
00:21:09 --> 00:21:13 doing the interviewing for the Chronicles of Northeast Wilmington.
00:21:14 --> 00:21:19 So, first of all, where where can people see this? Is this a video somewhere?
00:21:19 --> 00:21:25 Well I have several copies of it I made it like three years ago.
00:21:26 --> 00:21:33 I want to sell at the time I made them, right? But I can always get them if you need them.
00:21:33 --> 00:21:38 Okay, gotcha. Okay, so maybe connect with Dave and maybe each of us get it.
00:21:38 --> 00:21:41 Because, I mean, at the end of the day, that's wound within history.
00:21:41 --> 00:21:45 And I always feel like if we don't preserve it, we're going to lose it.
00:21:45 --> 00:21:51 Yeah. And then on top of that, so when you were doing these interviews of these,
00:21:52 --> 00:21:54 Prices Park legends, let's just say.
00:21:55 --> 00:21:59 Did you find out additional information maybe that you weren't familiar with,
00:21:59 --> 00:22:03 never heard of stories that, you know, kind of amazed you?
00:22:04 --> 00:22:09 Well, you know, basically, I grew up with the guys were older than me.
00:22:09 --> 00:22:14 And, you know, these guys I represent are at least six years older than I am.
00:22:15 --> 00:22:20 So I watched them. I was a kid, so I always was amazed by what they were doing,
00:22:21 --> 00:22:26 in the park. So the stories, I probably could tell you more stories about them
00:22:26 --> 00:22:29 than they could tell you about themselves.
00:22:29 --> 00:22:35 Because, see, I was a camera, a camera, I guess, a geek. Right.
00:22:35 --> 00:22:39 And I filmed everything. I have a lot of footage of a lot of things,
00:22:39 --> 00:22:41 some things they have never seen before.
00:22:42 --> 00:22:47 And I plan to do that, show them as we go on in life, you know,
00:22:47 --> 00:22:51 some of the things that they did, some of the things they probably don't want to see. but I have that.
00:22:52 --> 00:22:57 Okay. So let's fast forward. And I don't want to steal all Dave's questions,
00:22:57 --> 00:23:03 but as of today, or, you know, as of right now,
00:23:04 --> 00:23:09 what are you looking to restore any programs to Price's Park?
00:23:09 --> 00:23:13 I know you talked about back then they had, you know, the basketball where other
00:23:13 --> 00:23:16 parks would want to come play Price's Park.
00:23:16 --> 00:23:20 You talked about some of the activities such as football, swimming,
00:23:21 --> 00:23:26 is your organization looking to I guess increase some of the activities for
00:23:26 --> 00:23:28 youth in that park as well,
00:23:29 --> 00:23:32 we really would like to do that and that's a different that's a whole nother
00:23:32 --> 00:23:37 process right you know we have to get with the right people to make this happen.
00:23:38 --> 00:23:43 And if we could increase especially the summer program and the winter program
00:23:43 --> 00:23:48 as well that would be amazing for that area to turn it up back around and make
00:23:48 --> 00:23:51 it like it used to be. In the 1960s,
00:23:52 --> 00:23:58 I guess the middle 1960s, Price's Run was one of the best parks to go to.
00:23:59 --> 00:24:04 Right now, I question it, you know, but it's still a good park,
00:24:04 --> 00:24:06 but it needs a lot of work right now.
00:24:07 --> 00:24:11 Gotcha. Okay. All right. Well, I'm going to pass the mic over to Dave.
00:24:11 --> 00:24:15 I know he has some, because, you know, he's a PS faithful.
00:24:15 --> 00:24:19 I'm sure he has some great questions to ask. Yeah.
00:24:20 --> 00:24:27 Well, you know, as I sit here and I listen to Jerome talk, I think back about,
00:24:27 --> 00:24:31 my time in the park, you know, and I'm younger.
00:24:32 --> 00:24:36 You know, Jerome was talking about how he's at least six years younger than
00:24:36 --> 00:24:39 those guys, and I'm like six or seven years younger than Jerome.
00:24:40 --> 00:24:41 So, you know, so...
00:24:42 --> 00:24:44 And I remember my time.
00:24:46 --> 00:24:53 In the park. I moved to Riverside in 66, and, you know, I was only six years old at the time.
00:24:53 --> 00:24:57 But as I got older, and I'd always heard about Price's Park,
00:24:58 --> 00:25:04 you know, I remember being, when my mom finally allowed me to make the walk over to the park,
00:25:05 --> 00:25:10 I just remember going over there and just being amazed about all that was going on in the park.
00:25:11 --> 00:25:15 You had to, you know, and I had no idea they had tennis courts there at one
00:25:15 --> 00:25:18 time. So that's interesting to me. And the ice skating rink,
00:25:18 --> 00:25:18 I didn't know about that.
00:25:20 --> 00:25:23 But I, you know, remember going over to the basketball courts and playing and
00:25:23 --> 00:25:27 seeing the pool. I learned how to swim in that pool, you know.
00:25:27 --> 00:25:30 So, and most of us did back then, you know.
00:25:31 --> 00:25:36 I remember during the summer, they had the bag lunch program and they had the
00:25:36 --> 00:25:40 kids in the park. And they fed all the kids in the park with the brown bag and everything.
00:25:41 --> 00:25:45 Yeah yeah that was really that that was a program and maybe when you were talking
00:25:45 --> 00:25:50 i was thinking about that how they used to do that and i know they don't do that anymore no
00:25:50 --> 00:25:54 no they don't do those type of things anymore i remember going there and watching
00:25:54 --> 00:25:57 the softball games and the baseball games you know in the park.
00:25:59 --> 00:26:05 So it would be nice to be able to get the programs or some type of program where
00:26:05 --> 00:26:12 we can get the kids interested or the young people interested in starting to go to the parks anymore.
00:26:12 --> 00:26:17 But unfortunately, one of the things is, you know, when you look at Price's
00:26:17 --> 00:26:22 Park, but some of the other well-known parks in Wilmington especially,
00:26:23 --> 00:26:25 they're all kind of suffering from the same thing.
00:26:26 --> 00:26:33 And, but it would take organizations like yours to be able to try to get people
00:26:33 --> 00:26:35 to come back and to these parks,
00:26:36 --> 00:26:41 you know, and the programs that you've been doing every year. Tell us about,
00:26:42 --> 00:26:47 What people can expect from the big day you have coming up this weekend?
00:26:47 --> 00:26:52 First of all, tell us about that day and what people who come out will be able,
00:26:53 --> 00:26:59 to enjoy if they come out on this weekend to the crisis part.
00:26:59 --> 00:27:04 What we're setting up is called Community Day, and we're having health vendors,
00:27:05 --> 00:27:09 all kinds of health vendors, attack addiction, Delaware AIDS,
00:27:09 --> 00:27:12 community voter registration.
00:27:12 --> 00:27:18 That's very big the voter registration table will be there and we'll we'll be
00:27:18 --> 00:27:23 hoping that everybody especially the people have never voted or not are not
00:27:23 --> 00:27:26 registered to bring their uh,
00:27:26 --> 00:27:32 to bring to bring to bring you know their licenses so they can register and
00:27:32 --> 00:27:37 we're looking forward to some people coming that haven't been around uh like
00:27:37 --> 00:27:39 roosevelt rousey we haven't bruce hart,
00:27:40 --> 00:27:42 do you you're familiar with Bruce Hart?
00:27:42 --> 00:27:44 I know Bruce Hart. I know Bruce Hart, yes.
00:27:44 --> 00:27:49 Yeah, he's probably has the highest education that ever come out of Wilmington,
00:27:49 --> 00:27:52 Delaware. Yeah, smart guy, man.
00:27:53 --> 00:27:59 Yeah, take that away from him. Yeah, yeah, he's looking forward for him being at this event.
00:27:59 --> 00:28:06 It's called Community Day, and we're going to really try to show the area something
00:28:06 --> 00:28:08 that they haven't seen before.
00:28:08 --> 00:28:12 You know, we're going to try to show them some poise, some class,
00:28:13 --> 00:28:17 and feed them well. We will feed them well, that's for sure.
00:28:17 --> 00:28:18 We're going to feed them well.
00:28:18 --> 00:28:25 But it's all about coming back together in the community. We're looking for an.
00:28:27 --> 00:28:31 If you notice, if you don't play the hip-hop, you're not going to get them young
00:28:31 --> 00:28:36 kids. If you play music, they say, oh, we ain't going down there with them old people.
00:28:37 --> 00:28:39 And they probably won't show up.
00:28:40 --> 00:28:45 The crowd that we don't want. We want at least 55 and up.
00:28:46 --> 00:28:49 At least 55 and up. But we have a lot for the kids.
00:28:50 --> 00:28:55 And we're going to try to have some book bags and pencils. Because school is getting ready to start.
00:28:56 --> 00:29:01 But we just want to show the area that it can be something other than what it is right now.
00:29:01 --> 00:29:08 Because right now, I grew up over there, you know, and I'm not crazy about going
00:29:08 --> 00:29:11 back over there like I used to.
00:29:11 --> 00:29:15 You know, it's not that kind of a place that when it gets dark,
00:29:15 --> 00:29:17 it's time to leave, you know.
00:29:17 --> 00:29:23 But we're going to show something to the kids or something to the grownups in
00:29:23 --> 00:29:26 that neighborhood that they're really going to appreciate what we're doing.
00:29:28 --> 00:29:35 Well, and that's going to be the Saturday, right? What time do you guys start? We start at 3.
00:29:36 --> 00:29:40 We start at 3 and 3 to 7. 3 to 7. Okay.
00:29:40 --> 00:29:46 All right. And, you know, and listen to you talk about the name dropping of
00:29:46 --> 00:29:48 the names that you have dropped.
00:29:48 --> 00:29:53 You know, you have some, you know, a lot of you, a lot of the guys that are
00:29:53 --> 00:29:58 older will recognize a lot of those names. because a lot of them lived in the
00:29:58 --> 00:30:00 area for a long time as well.
00:30:00 --> 00:30:04 Yeah. That was what was so cool because they were right there in the area.
00:30:04 --> 00:30:08 So they wasn't people who just came in town and showed their face,
00:30:08 --> 00:30:13 you know, and so forth and then left. They lived in the area. So, yeah.
00:30:14 --> 00:30:17 Yeah. And so that was what was really cool about it.
00:30:18 --> 00:30:22 You know, I know Leonard, he was talking about the tournaments and so forth.
00:30:22 --> 00:30:27 Man, it was nothing like going to Price's Park during a basketball tournament
00:30:27 --> 00:30:33 people came from all over the place you know and you know and as,
00:30:34 --> 00:30:41 time went on when you got to my when you got to my era you know the those those
00:30:41 --> 00:30:43 games those tournaments got even bigger,
00:30:44 --> 00:30:50 You know, and we started having, even the white boys would come and play in these tournaments.
00:30:50 --> 00:30:55 I mean, they drew from all over. First of all, you had, if you,
00:30:55 --> 00:30:59 you wasn't a basketball player, and correct me if I'm wrong, Jerome.
00:31:00 --> 00:31:03 You wasn't a basketball player unless you played basketball at Price's Park, right?
00:31:04 --> 00:31:08 Right. You, if you came from Price's, you could play basketball.
00:31:09 --> 00:31:13 Yeah. You can go anywhere and play. You know, that's what I'm saying.
00:31:13 --> 00:31:18 You can go anywhere. basketball but but but you but you couldn't you couldn't
00:31:18 --> 00:31:22 call yourself a basketball player if you had never stepped foot on those courts
00:31:22 --> 00:31:25 you're right foot on those courts you know you could you could be you could
00:31:25 --> 00:31:27 be a king the king of where you came from,
00:31:28 --> 00:31:32 but you wasn't you wasn't a basketball player unless you came to prices part
00:31:32 --> 00:31:37 and competed on those basketball courts that was like the holy land of basketball
00:31:37 --> 00:31:41 right there you know those guys those excuse me for cutting you.
00:31:43 --> 00:31:50 Those guys could not only play basketball, but they had some outstanding football players. Oh, yeah.
00:31:50 --> 00:31:55 You're right. Well, Dr. Alton Williams, definitely. Dr. Alton Williams,
00:31:55 --> 00:32:01 you know, he's a three-letter man. You know, he played basketball,
00:32:01 --> 00:32:04 football, and he's a track man as well.
00:32:04 --> 00:32:08 Now, are you talking about the same eye doctor? Yes, that's who he's talking about.
00:32:09 --> 00:32:12 Yes, that's who he's talking about. And, you know, it's so funny because today
00:32:12 --> 00:32:15 I just got my follow-up appointment for next week. I have an appointment in
00:32:15 --> 00:32:21 the 19th. So I'm, Jerome, I'm glad to tell him, you know, I heard from you that
00:32:21 --> 00:32:23 he was an excellent athlete.
00:32:23 --> 00:32:28 Yes, he was. Yes, no question. No question. He's my vice president. Oh, is he?
00:32:28 --> 00:32:33 Yes, he is. Okay. Dr. Arthur Williams is the vice president.
00:32:33 --> 00:32:35 Clinton Times is the treasurer.
00:32:36 --> 00:32:40 Now, is that Clinton Times, who's the business development director at SBDC?
00:32:40 --> 00:32:43 Yes, it is. Yes, it is. You're learning some things right now, Leonard.
00:32:45 --> 00:32:47 You're learning some things. You know, Delaware's a small place.
00:32:49 --> 00:32:59 Yes, it is. Yeah. And Kamoko Harris is one of the top labor union guys in Delaware.
00:33:00 --> 00:33:04 Delaware. Yeah, currently. Currently. Yeah, he's big time, man,
00:33:05 --> 00:33:07 in that whole thing, man. Yeah.
00:33:08 --> 00:33:14 Those original guys, you know, Dr. Alton Williams, Bobby Dillard,
00:33:15 --> 00:33:19 Kamoko Harris, Ronald Patton, those are the original guys.
00:33:20 --> 00:33:25 They're on the committee, right? These guys show me some things,
00:33:25 --> 00:33:29 and they keep me in line, you know, if I get out of the line a little bit,
00:33:29 --> 00:33:30 Tom. Come on back, Jerome.
00:33:30 --> 00:33:36 Come on back. You know, because it's all about these guys back in the day.
00:33:36 --> 00:33:40 You know, these guys back in the day, you know, they really, they compete.
00:33:40 --> 00:33:42 They were competitive with one another.
00:33:43 --> 00:33:46 They played all the sports. You know, Bobby Diller can play everything.
00:33:47 --> 00:33:51 Bobby Diller was the man. Yeah, Bobby can play everything, you know.
00:33:52 --> 00:33:58 You know, his best sport really is baseball, but he got recognized for basketball.
00:33:59 --> 00:34:00 Yeah he's you know he's the second
00:34:01 --> 00:34:05 all-stater to ever come out of pièce de pont for for basketball okay
00:34:06 --> 00:34:11 yeah yeah he was out he's outstanding outstanding outstanding athlete you know
00:34:11 --> 00:34:15 and i i really look up to bobby because bobby can do a lot of things and you
00:34:15 --> 00:34:18 know and he has bobby's a good guy too he,
00:34:18 --> 00:34:23 yeah he has a lot of knowledge will make time yeah he'll talk to.
00:34:24 --> 00:34:28 You you know He's really a little guy. He really is. Yeah.
00:34:29 --> 00:34:31 Yeah. He gave me. But, um...
00:34:32 --> 00:34:35 Go ahead. He gave what? He gave Marvin Bell.
00:34:36 --> 00:34:41 He gave Marvin Bell a lot of pointers. That's one of Marvin Bell's mentors is
00:34:41 --> 00:34:48 Bobby Dillard. Bobby Dillard gave Marvin a lot of insight on that little wiggle
00:34:48 --> 00:34:51 move that he does that nobody could stop.
00:34:58 --> 00:35:03 That's what this is all about. there's so many outstanding athletes that come
00:35:03 --> 00:35:05 out the park you know my starting five,
00:35:07 --> 00:35:12 for the park you know like the pros do my starting five would be Gerald Stockton,
00:35:13 --> 00:35:19 it would be Kenny Miller it would be Bobby Dillard let me see Kamoko,
00:35:20 --> 00:35:22 and who else can I put it oh Glenn Watson,
00:35:24 --> 00:35:28 these guys here matter of fact they all come from PS DuPont.
00:35:31 --> 00:35:36 They all come from p.s to fun high school so if you if you don't like p.s all
00:35:36 --> 00:35:38 these guys come from p.s right,
00:35:41 --> 00:35:45 they were out these guys were outstanding athletes that's what made me go to p.s right,
00:35:46 --> 00:35:51 i followed behind all these guys that you know that could play this game play
00:35:51 --> 00:35:56 all the games very well i mean not just basketball but football everyone i mentioned
00:35:56 --> 00:35:59 is a two-letter man Right. Every one of them.
00:36:00 --> 00:36:04 And so some of them are three letter men. Kenny Miller, whatever sports you
00:36:04 --> 00:36:06 name, he can play five letters.
00:36:07 --> 00:36:12 He was outstanding. Outstanding athlete. No question in my mind that he was
00:36:12 --> 00:36:15 an outstanding athlete. The best I ever seen.
00:36:15 --> 00:36:19 Yeah, I saw you when you posted that on Facebook with your turn five.
00:36:19 --> 00:36:21 I started laughing. I said, he's a great star-spot now.
00:36:22 --> 00:36:26 True, though. But you know, nobody goes question. Nobody says anything,
00:36:26 --> 00:36:28 though. Nobody says anything, because they know.
00:36:29 --> 00:36:32 Nobody says nothing. They didn't argue with you. They didn't argue with you.
00:36:33 --> 00:36:38 No? I saw that. I made Art the sixth man, and Art chimed in and said he's just
00:36:38 --> 00:36:41 happy to be mentioned. I saw that. I saw that.
00:36:41 --> 00:36:45 And look, Art definitely. Yeah, Art would have talked.
00:36:45 --> 00:36:49 Knowing art the way I do yeah that's it yeah.
00:36:52 --> 00:36:57 Well what I'm going to do because I know you got to get ready to do I know you
00:36:57 --> 00:36:58 got another stop to make so,
00:36:59 --> 00:37:04 do me a favor just give another shout out about the event this weekend what
00:37:04 --> 00:37:08 time it starts if anybody needs to know any information give a contact information
00:37:08 --> 00:37:13 and so forth let people know I'm looking forward to everybody coming out,
00:37:13 --> 00:37:15 to our community day.
00:37:15 --> 00:37:18 It starts at 3, 3 to 7.
00:37:19 --> 00:37:25 We will be on the 23rd Street side, Brown, Burton, Winchester Park, a.k.a. Price is Run.
00:37:25 --> 00:37:29 Bring your chairs, your mosquito repellent. Sit down and enjoy yourself.
00:37:30 --> 00:37:35 We're going to break the park anyway, so it'll be worthwhile.
00:37:36 --> 00:37:42 But anyway, bring your mosquito repellent because, you know, bugs in August are bad.
00:37:42 --> 00:37:45 But anyway, we're going to have a great time And you're going to enjoy yourself
00:37:45 --> 00:37:49 We have music by Charles Bailey He's going to be our DJ.
00:37:50 --> 00:37:55 We have a caterer Friends Catering We'll have Tyrone Butler on the grill He's
00:37:55 --> 00:37:58 excellent And Damon Tillman,
00:37:58 --> 00:38:04 doing the fish and he can cook the fish. That's my son. So he can cook the fish.
00:38:04 --> 00:38:10 So you're going to enjoy yourself. And we have a marvelous program for everyone to enjoy.
00:38:11 --> 00:38:14 So come on out and enjoy yourself and sit down and, you know,
00:38:14 --> 00:38:16 learn something about the original park guys.
00:38:16 --> 00:38:21 They, you know, they're up in age now, but, you know, they still have a lot
00:38:21 --> 00:38:25 of class and want you to see how we were when we were kids.
00:38:25 --> 00:38:32 And another thing, down on the 22nd in church, there is two signs of names,
00:38:32 --> 00:38:35 the deceased and the living.
00:38:36 --> 00:38:37 I would like for everybody to go
00:38:37 --> 00:38:41 down there and look at those signs that's hanging up on a baseball field.
00:38:42 --> 00:38:45 It's a fence down there, almost towards the swimming pool.
00:38:45 --> 00:38:51 And you can get some insight of the guys that are living and some of the guys that are deceased.
00:38:51 --> 00:38:54 And we plan to recognize a couple of the falling brothers.
00:38:55 --> 00:39:00 Okay. I was about to say, Jerome, are some of the original Price's Run group,
00:39:00 --> 00:39:04 are they going to do some demonstrations on the basketball court and the football
00:39:04 --> 00:39:07 field kind of like they did in the class?
00:39:09 --> 00:39:11 No. We want them to get through the event.
00:39:13 --> 00:39:17 We're a little bit up in age, right? I'm the youngest one.
00:39:19 --> 00:39:20 And I'm up in age,
00:39:23 --> 00:39:26 I'm all up in 70 and over yeah yeah,
00:39:27 --> 00:39:30 yeah even though Art I wouldn't be surprised Art trying to get out there and
00:39:30 --> 00:39:35 do something no Art's not going to do nothing now he'll tell you how to do it
00:39:35 --> 00:39:38 no he definitely will do that he definitely will do that but he'll get out there
00:39:38 --> 00:39:41 and demonstrate nothing he,
00:39:41 --> 00:39:44 might tell you bend down and get a little lower,
00:39:46 --> 00:39:48 but he ain't going to do no running I guarantee you yeah,
00:39:51 --> 00:39:52 Well, there you have it, folks.
00:39:55 --> 00:40:01 Come on down to Price's Park this weekend on the 15th, starting at 3 o'clock,
00:40:01 --> 00:40:03 and come and have a good time.
00:40:04 --> 00:40:07 For some of you guys, it will be a nostalgic time.
00:40:07 --> 00:40:13 And for some of you younger guys, it'll be just a time to hang out with some
00:40:13 --> 00:40:20 of the park greats and hear some stories and be able to take some pictures and eat some good food.
00:40:20 --> 00:40:23 And just have a good old time, listen to some old school music,
00:40:23 --> 00:40:27 it'll be a great time. So I want to, you know, News and Trends,
00:40:27 --> 00:40:32 I want to thank Mr. Jerome Saunders for coming on and hanging out with us today
00:40:32 --> 00:40:34 and giving us that information.
00:40:34 --> 00:40:38 And, you know, Jerome, we really appreciate your time.
00:40:38 --> 00:40:42 Well, thank you for having me. And I appreciate you doing all I can do.
00:40:42 --> 00:40:44 All right, I might see you this weekend, okay?
00:40:44 --> 00:40:48 Okay, all right. All right, then, take care. All right, bye-bye. All right.
00:40:51 --> 00:40:54 All right. There you have it, folks. That sounds like it would be a great event.
00:40:54 --> 00:40:56 I think I might go through there and show my face.
00:40:56 --> 00:40:59 I got to work till three. I think I might take a ride in town afterwards,
00:40:59 --> 00:41:04 man. Yeah, Dave, you may have to show some of your football skills,
00:41:04 --> 00:41:07 you know. No, them guys. Show them what you can do.
00:41:07 --> 00:41:10 I'm telling you, those names that he was throwing out out there.
00:41:12 --> 00:41:15 They were some excellent ballers, man. I'm telling you. And it's funny,
00:41:15 --> 00:41:19 Dan. You didn't hear Dr. Arthur Williams' name. You had no idea, did you?
00:41:20 --> 00:41:24 I never, no. I'm surprised because I'm surprised. But you know what?
00:41:24 --> 00:41:29 I've had other people tell me that they've been in his office and he never mentioned
00:41:29 --> 00:41:33 anything about that type of stuff, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
00:41:33 --> 00:41:38 so, but you've mentioned B.S. Dupont to him. He'll light up like a Christmas tree.
00:41:39 --> 00:41:43 I'm telling you will. But Dave, I have one last question. I meant to ask Jerome. Yeah.
00:41:43 --> 00:41:46 So some of these players, did their success transfer over to,
00:41:46 --> 00:41:49 like, high school as well? like high school sports?
00:41:50 --> 00:41:56 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, like you heard him say, Alton Williams was All-State in
00:41:56 --> 00:41:58 football and in basketball.
00:41:58 --> 00:42:02 What do you call Bobby Dillard that he was talking about was first team All-State
00:42:02 --> 00:42:04 in basketball. Art Madrick,
00:42:05 --> 00:42:11 play football, basketball. Matter of fact, Art Madrick is one of the top track
00:42:11 --> 00:42:12 coaches that ever come out of Delaware.
00:42:13 --> 00:42:16 He coached, I don't know, you remember, there used to be something called the
00:42:16 --> 00:42:19 Wilmington Track Club? Yeah. That was him.
00:42:19 --> 00:42:22 He was the coach. So the Wilmington Track Club, not no more?
00:42:23 --> 00:42:25 Well, he's not. I know he's not.
00:42:27 --> 00:42:32 But, you know, he coached a lot of the top track stars that ever came out of Delaware.
00:42:32 --> 00:42:36 You know, so, so, you know, those guys, those, their success really,
00:42:37 --> 00:42:43 you know, were, was really big because they, you know, they developed a great following.
00:42:43 --> 00:42:48 They were scholastic athletes and then they helped to groom a lot of the kids that came after them.
00:42:49 --> 00:42:55 I understand. So that's what made, you know, the Sportsman Association,
00:42:55 --> 00:43:00 you know, into what it became because people looked up to those guys.
00:43:00 --> 00:43:05 And, you know, watching them play ball and, you know, just getting to know them.
00:43:05 --> 00:43:07 And they're all good guys. Yeah.
00:43:08 --> 00:43:12 I mean, that's what made it so unique. You know, they didn't have attitudes.
00:43:12 --> 00:43:16 They took time to hang out with the young people and talk to the young people and so forth.
00:43:17 --> 00:43:20 So that's what made them so special. Okay? So.
00:43:21 --> 00:43:26 But it's funny, when he was talking, and it kind of brings us to,
00:43:26 --> 00:43:28 we're going to get into our topics.
00:43:29 --> 00:43:34 When he was talking it kind of brings us to where we are today and i kind of
00:43:34 --> 00:43:36 alluded to it earlier as jerome was talking.
00:43:37 --> 00:43:42 About the park and so forth and how the park has changed and people don't come
00:43:42 --> 00:43:44 there like they used to and so forth.
00:43:45 --> 00:43:49 So maybe kind of think about where we are today, about parks in general.
00:43:50 --> 00:43:54 And I think I mentioned this before in my neighborhood, you know,
00:43:54 --> 00:43:59 how the, you know, you don't see kids, you know, you know, you always live by me.
00:43:59 --> 00:44:02 So, you know, and you don't see kids in the park anymore, you know,
00:44:02 --> 00:44:06 not like you used to see them, you know, because, you know, they're too busy
00:44:06 --> 00:44:10 in the house or playing on their, what's it called? The only thing you really
00:44:10 --> 00:44:12 see a lot of young people doing now is riding.
00:44:14 --> 00:44:17 The electric scooters and the electric bikes now.
00:44:18 --> 00:44:21 They didn't figure out how to make these bikes and everything where they don't
00:44:21 --> 00:44:27 have to pedal, you know, other than to get the charge on the bikes, you know, whatever.
00:44:28 --> 00:44:34 So I came up with this article about why don't kids go to the park anymore.
00:44:35 --> 00:44:38 And listen to this, and tell me if you agree with some of the things in this article.
00:44:40 --> 00:44:44 Kids avoid parks in low-income urban neighborhoods primarily due to the perceived
00:44:44 --> 00:44:51 environmental threats, a severe lack of functional, high-quality play infrastructure,
00:44:51 --> 00:44:54 and systemic city disinvestment.
00:44:54 --> 00:44:58 While the common assumption is that smartphones keep kids indoors,
00:44:59 --> 00:45:03 researchers note that the drop in neighborhood play in lower-income areas stem
00:45:03 --> 00:45:06 from deeper structural and safety barriers.
00:45:07 --> 00:45:11 And it kind of goes on to make these points. to send immediate safety threats,
00:45:11 --> 00:45:15 crime concerns, active gang violence, open air drug markets.
00:45:16 --> 00:45:22 And frequent flights turn communal green spaces into high-risk zones,
00:45:23 --> 00:45:30 physical hazards, broken glass, discarded needles, trash littering play structures
00:45:30 --> 00:45:34 cause immediate risk or physical injury,
00:45:35 --> 00:45:40 traffic safety, fast-moving vehicles, and critical lack of safe and crosswalks
00:45:41 --> 00:45:45 make walking to the park too dangerous for unsupervised children.
00:45:46 --> 00:45:52 Illicit activities, public intoxication, illegal loitering, and unpredictable
00:45:52 --> 00:45:57 behavior from adults make the environment intimidating for younger populations.
00:45:58 --> 00:46:01 And then they go into underfunded and broken infrastructure,
00:46:02 --> 00:46:07 neglected equipment, public parks, and under-resourced areas frequently
00:46:07 --> 00:46:13 feature rusted swing sets, cracked asphalt, and broken slides that are never repaired.
00:46:15 --> 00:46:22 Playground deficits, lower socioeconomic status. Neighborhoods have significantly,
00:46:23 --> 00:46:27 fewer total functional play spaces per capita.
00:46:27 --> 00:46:33 Zero customization. Standard sterile metal fixtures failed to offer the engaging
00:46:33 --> 00:46:40 creativity of mildly challenging play environments that you naturally see.
00:46:40 --> 00:46:44 And they said extreme weather barriers, a lack of shade, canopies,
00:46:45 --> 00:46:51 Working water fountains or splash pads make unshaded blacktop playgrounds unusual
00:46:51 --> 00:46:52 during hot summer months.
00:46:53 --> 00:46:57 And then they say the parental and legal pressures, high vigilant parenting,
00:46:57 --> 00:47:02 parents living in high crime neighborhoods enforce strict indoor rules to shield
00:47:02 --> 00:47:05 their children from random street violence.
00:47:05 --> 00:47:13 And legal repercussions. Low-income parents face higher risk of neighborhood or police reporting,
00:47:14 --> 00:47:20 them for child neglect and their kids are spotted playing outside unattended.
00:47:21 --> 00:47:25 And people have long working hours, dual-income or single parents.
00:47:25 --> 00:47:30 Households working multiple shifts lack the spare hours required to personally
00:47:31 --> 00:47:34 chaperone their kids to distant parks.
00:47:35 --> 00:47:41 So that was a lot there. But I think it kind of covered a lot of the reasons
00:47:41 --> 00:47:45 why we don't have our kids go to the parks.
00:47:46 --> 00:47:51 But I think one of the things that they left out, which is the biggest reason,
00:47:51 --> 00:47:54 I think, they don't want to go.
00:47:55 --> 00:47:59 What's your thoughts? So, Dave, I disagree with everything you read.
00:48:00 --> 00:48:02 Do you for real? Yeah, no, I do.
00:48:03 --> 00:48:08 Except for one point. The only point I didn't disagree with was the parents
00:48:08 --> 00:48:10 worrying about safety from violence.
00:48:11 --> 00:48:13 So, you know, like, I definitely understand, you know, you're not going to let
00:48:13 --> 00:48:17 your kids go to the park if, you know, bullies, violence, you know,
00:48:17 --> 00:48:18 drugs are being sold, you know.
00:48:19 --> 00:48:23 But everything else I disagree with because my kids, you know,
00:48:24 --> 00:48:29 they're not in the, you know, places where the sun's shining on the blacktop every day.
00:48:29 --> 00:48:36 They're not places where the cement's cracked. They're not places where the air is an issue.
00:48:37 --> 00:48:43 They, you know, these are my kids. These are some suburban kids who have a decently
00:48:43 --> 00:48:46 nice playground who still don't go out there, you know.
00:48:48 --> 00:48:51 So your kids fall into the last thing that I said, which is the biggest thing.
00:48:53 --> 00:48:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm just saying all the other factors you read,
00:48:57 --> 00:48:59 if I want to go play, I want to go play.
00:48:59 --> 00:49:03 When I was a kid, you know, like think of all the stuff we played on that was
00:49:03 --> 00:49:08 unsafe, cracked, broken, rusted, in the sun.
00:49:08 --> 00:49:11 You know, like if we wanted to play, we were going to play.
00:49:11 --> 00:49:15 And we didn't care. Yeah, we didn't care. You know, we were drinking out of
00:49:15 --> 00:49:19 hose water, maybe drinking straight from spigots off the sides of buildings.
00:49:19 --> 00:49:24 And drinking out of water fountains. Yeah, we weren't asking no questions.
00:49:25 --> 00:49:29 Dave, we were probably putting our mouth on the water fountain just to make sure we ate nothing.
00:49:30 --> 00:49:33 Because remember how the water pressure would be low sometimes,
00:49:33 --> 00:49:36 you know, if you try to suck out all the water, you know.
00:49:36 --> 00:49:41 So, I mean, I do agree. I think, you know, so if we say, why do kids not play
00:49:41 --> 00:49:43 anymore? I agree. like they don't want to.
00:49:44 --> 00:49:49 Well, that, I think, is the biggest reason. That's why I say that part for last,
00:49:49 --> 00:49:52 that statement for last, because a lot of them don't want to go to the parks.
00:49:53 --> 00:49:56 Now, of course, we are talking about two different type of parks.
00:49:56 --> 00:50:03 We're talking about the inner city or the urban area parks. Again,
00:50:03 --> 00:50:07 that's what this article mainly kind of pointed at was the urban parks.
00:50:08 --> 00:50:11 But even in the suburbs, the kids don't want to go. When you go to the,
00:50:11 --> 00:50:18 like, the park over by us, the Weiss Park over there, when you go in that park, there's, you know,
00:50:19 --> 00:50:23 you'll see some people on the basketball court, but most of the people there
00:50:23 --> 00:50:25 are playing cricket or softball.
00:50:26 --> 00:50:30 Yeah, or softball. Or people just walking around like adults.
00:50:30 --> 00:50:34 That's it. And they're usually adults. It's not a lot of kids, you know.
00:50:34 --> 00:50:41 So, you know, so I'll say there's a park in my neighborhood and I mean,
00:50:41 --> 00:50:42 it's kind of a kiddie park.
00:50:42 --> 00:50:47 I mean, you know, has like a merry-go-round, some swings, something to climb
00:50:47 --> 00:50:49 on. Maybe it's another thing to climb on.
00:50:51 --> 00:50:55 I never see kids, like, rarely ever do I see any kids out there.
00:50:55 --> 00:51:00 Well, that's the same way. You remember the park up the street from my house?
00:51:00 --> 00:51:04 You know, that park up there, it's rarely kids there either.
00:51:04 --> 00:51:09 And that's for, you know, kids that, you know, anywhere from first grade to,
00:51:10 --> 00:51:13 you know, maybe, you know, early middle school or whatever the case may be.
00:51:13 --> 00:51:16 But you never see any kids there. I mean, never.
00:51:17 --> 00:51:19 So it just says that you know.
00:51:21 --> 00:51:25 Well like the last thing i said again they don't want to,
00:51:25 --> 00:51:31 you know and a lot of especially now that the electronic we're in the electronic
00:51:31 --> 00:51:36 uh world down you know everything is tech this and tech that and like i just
00:51:36 --> 00:51:40 said you know the only time you see young people out they're,
00:51:41 --> 00:51:45 riding their they're riding their electric i just find that The funniest thing, the electric scooters.
00:51:46 --> 00:51:51 And the electric bikes, because they don't want to pedal or they don't want to push them.
00:51:51 --> 00:51:55 No, and Dave, I personally think I think we need some legislation because in
00:51:55 --> 00:51:59 my neighborhood, I don't know if it's about you, these 10, 11,
00:51:59 --> 00:52:03 12, 13-year-old kids. They be flying. They be flying. Oh, my goodness.
00:52:04 --> 00:52:08 No helmet. They be going. And I mean, I don't know how fast those things go,
00:52:08 --> 00:52:11 but it got to be at least 30, maybe 40 miles an hour, some of them.
00:52:11 --> 00:52:17 Those bikes they say can get yeah they do get up to like 25 to 35 miles and,
00:52:17 --> 00:52:23 all you know so and it depends on how and they ain't cheap i'll be wondering how they get that stuff,
00:52:23 --> 00:52:28 well i mean i love it looks like about a thousand or at least,
00:52:29 --> 00:52:33 the cheapest one i sold was like seven or eight hundred dollars but you know
00:52:33 --> 00:52:36 i maybe dave in their defense if you get a good bicycle,
00:52:37 --> 00:52:40 Now, I don't know if people are getting teenagers good bicycles,
00:52:40 --> 00:52:45 but, you know, a good bicycle could be about $1, too. So it may be a deal.
00:52:45 --> 00:52:50 Instead of paying $1 for a pedal bike, $1 for an electric bike.
00:52:51 --> 00:52:53 Yeah, that's true. That is true.
00:52:54 --> 00:52:59 Well, I mean, you guys, what are your thoughts on this, especially about the
00:52:59 --> 00:53:02 parks in your neighborhood or just talking about the parks that,
00:53:02 --> 00:53:07 you know, that, you know, well, do you disagree or disagree with what I read?
00:53:08 --> 00:53:11 Or do you feel it's just the fact that the kids don't want to go anymore?
00:53:11 --> 00:53:13 Let us know what your thoughts are on that.
00:53:14 --> 00:53:18 I just thought I'd pick up on that after, you know, talking to,
00:53:18 --> 00:53:22 you know, how things used to be versus how they are now, you know.
00:53:22 --> 00:53:26 So I'm going to move on to this next story.
00:53:26 --> 00:53:31 I just kind of came across, I mean, I thought it was something worthwhile mentioning.
00:53:32 --> 00:53:36 The judge rules Virginia School Board discriminated against Black students by
00:53:36 --> 00:53:37 restoring Confederate names.
00:53:38 --> 00:53:42 And it says a federal judge had ordered the Virginia School Board to replace
00:53:42 --> 00:53:44 two Confederate schools'.
00:53:46 --> 00:53:54 Names restored in 2024, ruling that the decision discriminated against Black students.
00:53:54 --> 00:53:59 The ruling is the latest turn in a fight that began with the Virginia NAACP
00:53:59 --> 00:54:02 filed a lawsuit after the school board The,
00:54:02 --> 00:54:10 2024 vote reverse changes made during the 2020 racial justice protests in Confederate
00:54:10 --> 00:54:13 schools' names must now be changed again.
00:54:15 --> 00:54:21 In an opinion filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Virginia, Judge Michael F.
00:54:22 --> 00:54:27 Urbanski found that the Shenandoah County School Board violated black students'
00:54:27 --> 00:54:35 rights under the 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause and the Equal Educational Opportunities Act.
00:54:36 --> 00:54:45 It says that Urbanski described the names honoring Confederate officers as vestiges
00:54:45 --> 00:54:49 of the county's segregationist history.
00:54:51 --> 00:54:57 He ordered the board to choose new names on a racially non-discriminatory basis
00:54:57 --> 00:54:59 and to do so with all deliberate speed.
00:55:00 --> 00:55:04 The Confederate names were restored with complete awareness of the historic
00:55:04 --> 00:55:09 legacy and ongoing discrimination impact. In the court's view,
00:55:11 --> 00:55:19 the affirmative act of reinstating these names from segregation is far more problematic,
00:55:21 --> 00:55:26 than a passive failure to remove a longstanding name or symbol, wrote our basket.
00:55:27 --> 00:55:35 The case centers on Stonewall Jackson High School and S.B. Lee Elementary School.
00:55:35 --> 00:55:41 In May 2024, the board voted 5-1 to restore the names after they had been changed
00:55:41 --> 00:55:47 to Mountain View High School and Honey Run Elementary in 2020.
00:55:50 --> 00:55:54 All you can do is laugh, right? I mean, you know, and the fact they came up
00:55:54 --> 00:55:56 with those names, that's funny. Right.
00:55:56 --> 00:56:03 Stonewall Jackson was a Confederate general, while S.B. Lee combines the names
00:56:03 --> 00:56:09 of Confederate General Robert E. Lee and Calvary Officer Turner Ashby.
00:56:10 --> 00:56:15 The Virginia NAACP sued the following month on behalf of six students and their parents.
00:56:15 --> 00:56:19 The organization argued that the Confederate school names subjected Black students
00:56:19 --> 00:56:24 to racially discriminatory education environment and forced them to participate
00:56:24 --> 00:56:29 under symbols associated with the Confederacy and white supremacy.
00:56:30 --> 00:56:34 Black students make up less than 3% of the high school's system population.
00:56:35 --> 00:56:40 School board members who supported restoring the name said that they were responding
00:56:40 --> 00:56:47 to community sentiment and correcting what they viewed as a flawed 2020 process now,
00:56:48 --> 00:56:51 what do you think about all of that,
00:56:52 --> 00:56:54 to be honest I'm surprised,
00:56:56 --> 00:57:02 that the that the judge in the Virginia school board denied reinstating those names.
00:57:05 --> 00:57:11 Yeah yeah you know so i mean i i feel like that's a win for justice,
00:57:13 --> 00:57:19 you know so well i mean it it definitely is pushing things in the right direction
00:57:19 --> 00:57:23 because we've been taking a lot of l's lately you know what i mean,
00:57:24 --> 00:57:29 and a lot of different things over the last few years, if you wink-wink,
00:57:29 --> 00:57:30 you know what I'm saying.
00:57:30 --> 00:57:36 And, you know, our history just keeps getting put in, pushed further and further
00:57:36 --> 00:57:41 back in archives, you know, and nobody wants to know what the truth is.
00:57:41 --> 00:57:50 They've been trying to erase a lot of stuff and try to reimagine things the
00:57:50 --> 00:57:54 way that they want us to see them, but not the real truth in,
00:57:55 --> 00:57:57 what really happened.
00:57:59 --> 00:58:02 And, you know, in the South, they've always, that's what they've always done.
00:58:02 --> 00:58:08 You know, they've always had schools like that named after those type of people and so forth.
00:58:08 --> 00:58:12 And the fact that they went that far, that this kind of, you know,
00:58:13 --> 00:58:17 changed the names altogether to something that was flowery.
00:58:17 --> 00:58:21 And that's what I call it, flowery type names, Mountain View High School and
00:58:21 --> 00:58:23 Honeysburg Elementary, you know.
00:58:23 --> 00:58:29 But then, you know, and still try to maintain without trying to show any racial,
00:58:30 --> 00:58:32 bias in any kind of way, even though.
00:58:35 --> 00:58:39 The schools are mostly white schools, you know, they still wanted to try to
00:58:39 --> 00:58:46 make it into a place that, hey, you can come to without seeing the negativity, you know.
00:58:46 --> 00:58:51 And hopefully, you know, they're able to finish what they started.
00:58:52 --> 00:58:56 But it is really a shame that we are having these kind of conversations,
00:58:57 --> 00:58:59 you know, about the names of schools.
00:59:00 --> 00:59:06 You know, in fact, I think we talked about this when it happened. But I'm not mistaken.
00:59:06 --> 00:59:11 It sounds very familiar. I think we might have did a story about that when it happened. So...
00:59:13 --> 00:59:17 Your guys, just kind of give us an idea of what you guys think about that story.
00:59:17 --> 00:59:25 And the fact that, I mean, you know, we definitely need to reinstate a lot of these.
00:59:25 --> 00:59:30 I mean, definitely need to change a lot of these schools that still have Confederate
00:59:30 --> 00:59:32 names because they're being honored.
00:59:32 --> 00:59:37 You know, even though our president is bringing back a lot of this stuff,
00:59:37 --> 00:59:41 you know, trying to change our history again, you know.
00:59:42 --> 00:59:48 But we're not going anywhere we were here and we can prove it you know we saw it you know so,
00:59:49 --> 00:59:53 but to give us your thoughts on what you thought what you think in reference
00:59:53 --> 00:59:56 to that i just wanted to bring that story up because i thought it was a good
00:59:56 --> 00:59:59 you know you know it was a good thing to talk about,
01:00:01 --> 01:00:07 all right and that brings us to leonard's favorite part of the show all right
01:00:07 --> 01:00:09 y'all We'll see y'all next time.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:11 Thank you. Okay. Hold on. Good night.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:17 I got another scenario for you, by the way, Leonard. Oh, Lord. Here we go.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:21 And this one is called Who's Right, Him or Her?
01:00:21 --> 01:00:26 Okay. I'm not trying to start any wars between husbands and wives, but here we go.
01:00:26 --> 01:00:32 Hold on. So you are trying to start a war? You're not trying to start a war. Anyway, the situation.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:38 12-year-old Jordan was told three times to clean his room and finish his homework
01:00:38 --> 01:00:41 before getting on his video game. Typical today, right?
01:00:42 --> 01:00:46 Mom comes home, finds Jordan stressed out on the couch, head set on,
01:00:46 --> 01:00:49 yelling, Let's go! I got him!
01:00:51 --> 01:00:56 And then Mom immediately takes the game system and says, That's it.
01:00:56 --> 01:00:58 No video games. No phone.
01:00:58 --> 01:01:00 No going outside for two weeks.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:02 You ain't got to worry about that.
01:01:03 --> 01:01:08 Maybe now you'll learn to listen. Then dad walks in. Leonard walks in, people.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:12 Okay, Leonard walks in and says, two weeks.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:16 He didn't rob a bank. Take the game for the rest of the night,
01:01:16 --> 01:01:20 make him clean his room, and finish his homework. Tomorrow's a new day.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:25 Mom looks at dad and says, and this is why he doesn't listen.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:29 Every time I discipline him, you come behind me and soften the punishment.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:37 Leonard responds, and this is why he comes to me to give a 20-year sentence for a misdemeanor.
01:01:38 --> 01:01:42 Now, Jordan is sitting quietly thinking, I'm just going to let this play out
01:01:42 --> 01:01:44 and see how this works out.
01:01:45 --> 01:01:52 So who's right? Okay, A, mom, children need consequences strong enough to make them remember.
01:01:52 --> 01:01:58 B, dad, the punishment should fit what the child actually did.
01:01:58 --> 01:02:05 C, both. They need to stop disagreeing in front of the child and decide on disciplining together.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:11 Or D, Jordan, stay quiet and hope they forget what they were mad about.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:18 Well, Dave, I'll put it like this. When you were reading this scenario,
01:02:19 --> 01:02:21 when you said the mother said she was granted for two weeks,
01:02:21 --> 01:02:23 in my mind, I was like, ah, damn, two weeks.
01:02:25 --> 01:02:28 So apparently— That's why I said Leonard. Yeah.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:33 So apparently, I'm with Leonard in the story.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:38 I'm going to agree with the punishment fit the crime so you're going to take
01:02:38 --> 01:02:41 it away from the night tomorrow's a new day right,
01:02:42 --> 01:02:50 yes and the punishment should fit the crime and not you know try to overplay it you know because,
01:02:51 --> 01:02:58 you know mom as Gary said it off you know it's funny I looked at the scenario now back during my day,
01:02:59 --> 01:03:04 oh hey my mom that would have been my mom all the way, you know,
01:03:04 --> 01:03:07 she would have said no, and especially the part about not going outside,
01:03:08 --> 01:03:10 one day not going outside would have killed us,
01:03:11 --> 01:03:15 you know, so we'd be, look, we used to sit in the, in the, in the room,
01:03:15 --> 01:03:20 in, in the, in the window crying, and all the kids say, oh, you can't come outside,
01:03:20 --> 01:03:23 you can't come outside, now, of course, kids don't care about that anymore, so.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:28 I agree with you. I think dad's right in this situation.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:37 And maybe if that happens enough, then maybe Jordan will react a little bit differently.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:42 Because you take your phone away for an hour or a game away for an hour,
01:03:42 --> 01:03:47 that's like an eternity. Dave, I can't lie, you take my phone away for an hour,
01:03:47 --> 01:03:49 that's like eternity too.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:55 But Dave, I will say, I will go outside. I mean, I will go outside and do stuff,
01:03:56 --> 01:03:57 but you take that phone away.
01:03:57 --> 01:04:02 I'm like, I know I've gotten halfway to work, Leonard, turned around,
01:04:02 --> 01:04:06 went home and got my phone and went back. I don't care about being late.
01:04:06 --> 01:04:08 I got to go get my phone. So, you know, so.
01:04:10 --> 01:04:14 And I'd rather lose my wallet than my phone. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:04:14 --> 01:04:15 Well, your whole life is in your phone.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:20 So, you know, you know, look, we don't memorize any numbers.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:22 Do you know your wife's number?
01:04:22 --> 01:04:26 I do. Okay, good. Please tell me. But do I know my kids' numbers?
01:04:26 --> 01:04:29 You don't know their numbers? Okay.
01:04:30 --> 01:04:35 Yeah, so there you go. So that's the world we live in nowadays.
01:04:36 --> 01:04:39 So you guys. Hold on, Dave. Did you answer?
01:04:40 --> 01:04:46 Yeah, I agree with you. I would do the same thing. I think the two weeks.
01:04:47 --> 01:04:52 But it all depends. I mean, it all depends on whether this is a recurring thing
01:04:52 --> 01:04:55 with Jordan. and she has to tell Jordan every night is going to end up getting
01:04:55 --> 01:04:57 serious. I can tell you that now.
01:04:58 --> 01:05:06 But if it's that one situation, the way I read it, then I would take it away for that night.
01:05:06 --> 01:05:13 And then the next day, hopefully he learned a lesson and he straightens up after that.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:17 So that's the way I would handle it, I guess. So I agree.
01:05:18 --> 01:05:21 How do you guys feel? Let us know. How would you handle Jordan?
01:05:22 --> 01:05:28 You know would you would you uh be leonard or be mom in this case so all right,
01:05:29 --> 01:05:33 I think that's everything we got for you guys tonight. Anything you want to add, sir?
01:05:34 --> 01:05:38 Trying to think. Nothing I can think of.
01:05:38 --> 01:05:43 Just, you know, they try to make it through another week. Yeah, yeah.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:48 You know, look like we got the heat. Oh, you know. By the way,
01:05:49 --> 01:05:52 prayers go out to people of Columbia.
01:05:52 --> 01:05:55 That was a big earthquake they had over there. Did you see that?
01:05:56 --> 01:06:01 No, I heard of it. Oh, man, they said over 1 people were presumed dead.
01:06:02 --> 01:06:08 They had a big earthquake the other night over there, and a lot of people died.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:13 So prayers out to Columbia. The weather's bad.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:18 It's been some crazy weather, and it's causing all kinds of havoc on everything.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:24 You know and they said we've had more earthquakes in the last four months than
01:06:24 --> 01:06:26 they said it's been recorded in a long time,
01:06:27 --> 01:06:33 so something is definitely going on right right yeah so but anyway just just
01:06:33 --> 01:06:38 keep keep everyone in prayer be safe and you know kids have to get ready to
01:06:38 --> 01:06:41 go back to school already so you know enjoy them,
01:06:42 --> 01:06:45 you know get ready to have some fun when the kids go back to school people,
01:06:46 --> 01:06:50 you know so I know you're looking forward to this time you know so summer's
01:06:50 --> 01:06:57 almost over so man that time goes fast but anyway thank you for joining us tonight
01:06:57 --> 01:07:01 and we will talk to you again next week have a good night.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:18 Tune in next week ladies and gentlemen for another edition of news and trends with your host Dave and.