Hosts Dave and Leonard cover a range of stories: the Jackson County grand jury’s no-true-bill in the death of Nolan Wells and responses from Ben Crump and Al Sharpton; Kirk Franklin’s family DNA revelation and ongoing estrangement; Tyler Perry’s viral Spirit Tunnel moment on The Jennifer Hudson Show; and a conversation about the impact of AI and the economy. The episode closes with community updates, show milestones, and a light-hearted HBCU trivia segment.
Listeners get a mix of hard news, cultural moments, and personal reflections from the hosts, plus calls for accountability and community engagement.
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01:27 --> 01:31 Leonard Young. What's going on, sir? Hey Dave, everything is good. This is
01:31 --> 01:34 Leonard Young, CEO of National Black Guide,
01:34 --> 01:39 DelawareBlack.com, the hottest app in the app market,
01:39 --> 01:42 Culture Check app, and all-around good guy. How goes
01:42 --> 01:45 it, Dave? All right, all right, um,
01:46 --> 01:50 I can't complain. Well, I'm hanging out with the hottest Um,
01:50 --> 01:53 the hottest personality, um, in the— in
01:54 --> 01:57 Delaware right now. And this guy's everywhere. He's got the Culture Check
01:57 --> 02:01 app going on. He's winning awards from the NAACP.
02:02 --> 02:05 You know, he's got the campground down, downstate in
02:05 --> 02:09 Houston, Delaware. I mean, is there anything you're not doing right now, man?
02:09 --> 02:13 Uh, sleeping, sleeping,
02:13 --> 02:16 relaxing. Well,
02:17 --> 02:20 I want to once again say to you, and as you can see, a lot
02:21 --> 02:25 of folks stopped past to say congratulations to you
02:25 --> 02:28 for your award on Friday night with the MOT
02:29 --> 02:33 chapter of the NAACP
02:34 --> 02:38 and your big award that you got, the Community
02:38 --> 02:42 Service Award, you know. That was well deserved,
02:42 --> 02:46 and Delaware Black. And, um, you know,
02:46 --> 02:50 people been rocking with you for the last 20 years, man. So, you know,
02:50 --> 02:54 um, it's good that they took time to recognize you that
02:54 --> 02:57 way. Do you have anything to say about that? Yeah, yeah. I mean,
02:57 --> 03:01 I definitely agree. First of all, um, I just want to thank you for coming
03:01 --> 03:05 and, you know, being a friend and a supporter as
03:05 --> 03:08 always. Um, but you did, you know, be honest,
03:08 --> 03:12 I I thought it was a great event. Um, I was actually interested
03:12 --> 03:15 in hearing about some of the other people who were honored or mentioned that,
03:15 --> 03:18 to be honest, I had never heard of before. So, you know, I thought that
03:18 --> 03:22 was a, a great thing as well. And then I think—
03:23 --> 03:26 I know for sure we, we met one person
03:26 --> 03:29 who had been on the show before. Did— was there more than one?
03:30 --> 03:33 Um, that was there that night? I mean, other than
03:34 --> 03:37 other than Ann Latrice. I mean, you know,
03:37 --> 03:41 okay. Um, no, but you remember Flora McKendall? Yeah, you know,
03:41 --> 03:44 okay. Yeah, you know, other than, um, but no,
03:45 --> 03:48 Flora McKendall, um, who is the state
03:49 --> 03:51 of Delaware's president of the NAACP,
03:52 --> 03:56 um, we had her on our show prior,
03:56 --> 04:00 um, and she was there that night. We actually both
04:00 --> 04:03 got a chance to meet her, um, personally for the first time.
04:03 --> 04:07 We talked to her over the phone, but that was our first
04:07 --> 04:11 time actually, actually meeting her. And it was great to see her,
04:11 --> 04:14 and she was happy to see us as well. So, um, um,
04:14 --> 04:18 so that was, that was a great, that was a great event. And, uh,
04:18 --> 04:22 had Lamont been on the show before? I feel like he had. Oh yeah,
04:22 --> 04:25 that's right, Lamont's been on the show too. Okay. Um,
04:25 --> 04:29 Yeah, that's, that's right. Um, um, Lamont's been on the show as well,
04:29 --> 04:33 so, um, so we had at least 3 people in there that
04:33 --> 04:37 has been on the show. Um, probably, and we got some future people
04:37 --> 04:40 that was probably there, probably will be on the show too, right? So, right,
04:40 --> 04:43 no, so, um, but, um,
04:43 --> 04:47 great event, and I was— and thank you for the invite. And, um,
04:47 --> 04:50 it was— I was glad to be able to hang out with you and your
04:50 --> 04:53 wife and your sister-in-law and Um, you know,
04:54 --> 04:57 and to watch everyone who received awards. I know I
04:58 --> 05:01 have some ties to the Hope Center. They were also honored, and I'm glad to
05:01 --> 05:04 see that they were honored, um, because we deal with the Hope Center
05:05 --> 05:08 at my job. Matter of fact, um, one of the guys
05:09 --> 05:12 I work closely with, he said he had wished he had known because he probably
05:12 --> 05:16 would have been there too, because he works closely with that group, you know.
05:16 --> 05:20 Yeah. So, um, So that was a great— that
05:21 --> 05:24 was a great time and a great event. Uh, matter of
05:25 --> 05:28 fact, can I tell the little story about what happened with Ann Latrice real quick?
05:28 --> 05:32 Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, so Ann Latrice,
05:32 --> 05:35 who, um, the group Best Kept Soul performed at the
05:35 --> 05:38 event, uh, tore it up there that night, matter of fact.
05:40 --> 05:43 Um, and Ann Latrice and
05:43 --> 05:46 Best Kept Soul, they were performing a song.
05:46 --> 05:48 Um, um,
05:49 --> 05:52 and actually, after they got finished
05:52 --> 05:56 singing, one of the ladies that was there
05:56 --> 06:00 walked up to Ann Latrice and just, um, was telling her how much
06:00 --> 06:04 she loved hearing her sing and that she did a great job, especially on that
06:05 --> 06:08 one particular song. And, um, um,
06:09 --> 06:13 she said I recorded you and I let my
06:13 --> 06:17 friend, a very close friend of mine, listen to you sing the song,
06:18 --> 06:21 and they were so excited and they really, um, liked,
06:21 --> 06:24 um, liked how you did the song. She said,
06:24 --> 06:27 matter of fact, I have them, I have them on the phone right now.
06:27 --> 06:31 You mind saying a few words to them?
06:31 --> 06:35 So she said, sure. So she said, always glad to,
06:35 --> 06:38 um, talk to a fan. So she gave
06:39 --> 06:42 her the phone, she gave her the phone, and the guy was, the guy was
06:43 --> 06:47 on FaceTime as he gave her the phone, and it was Anthony Hamilton,
06:47 --> 06:51 the singer Anthony Hamilton, whose song Anne was singing,
06:52 --> 06:55 you know. So, and he, he told her how much he enjoyed it and how,
06:56 --> 07:00 you know, their rendition of it gave her big
07:00 --> 07:04 props and everything. And she said she was just floored. She said she, she almost
07:04 --> 07:07 dropped the phone when she realized it was him, you know. So,
07:07 --> 07:11 but there's, there's the classic example, folks, you know. You never know who
07:11 --> 07:14 may be in the room. You never know who might be listening,
07:14 --> 07:18 right, you know. So always want to— I, you know, it's hard telling the
07:18 --> 07:22 new generation this these days, you know. You always want to put your best foot
07:22 --> 07:26 forward and always try to, try to, you know, just,
07:27 --> 07:30 you know, do things decent and in order.
07:30 --> 07:33 Because you do not know who might be listening. You do not know who
07:34 --> 07:37 might be in that room. Yeah, definitely. And, and, you know,
07:37 --> 07:41 Dave, Dave, to piggyback off that, you know, um, I always have
07:41 --> 07:44 the philosophy you never know.
07:45 --> 07:48 And I mean, this is not the celeb— on the celebrity side, but when you
07:48 --> 07:52 meet people and you interact with people, you never know what
07:52 --> 07:56 type of impression you're going to leave on them where they may
07:56 --> 07:59 remember that for, you know, a long time. Like, I'm sure
08:00 --> 08:03 Anthony— like, Anne will probably remember that for the rest of her life,
08:03 --> 08:06 you know what I mean? I'm sure. And, you know, like,
08:06 --> 08:10 just how— and I won't even say thoughtful,
08:10 --> 08:13 I can't think of the right word— but just how, um,
08:14 --> 08:18 complimentary that was from Anthony Hamilton
08:18 --> 08:22 to recognize someone who has talent. Because, you know, they— you know, there's some
08:22 --> 08:26 people who see people who have talent and look great or do something great and,
08:26 --> 08:29 and never say a word. And you know,
08:29 --> 08:31 it's, it's one of the things where, uh, like, um,
08:33 --> 08:36 is it Toni Morrison? No, not Toni Morrison. Was it Toni Morrison? No.
08:36 --> 08:40 Um, or Nikki Giovanni? No. Um, who's— Why the
08:40 --> 08:44 Caged Bird Sings? Oh no, that's Maya Angelou.
08:44 --> 08:47 Yeah, Maya Angelou says, um, long story
08:47 --> 08:50 short, you'll never forget how somebody made you feel.
08:51 --> 08:54 You know, like, you, you may forget what they said, who they were, but You
08:55 --> 08:58 know, if someone makes you feel a certain way a lot of— yeah,
08:59 --> 09:04 well, it's funny that you say that because this— that— and I'll
09:04 --> 09:07 say this and then we'll, I guess, get into the show. But I'm gonna say
09:07 --> 09:11 this because we're talking about what we're talking about right now, and it's—
09:11 --> 09:15 and this all comes out of the award ceremony that you were given
09:15 --> 09:18 an award at. The reason that you
09:18 --> 09:23 and I are here is a similar situation because
09:24 --> 09:28 when I, I, you know, I made you feel good. I made you feel good.
09:28 --> 09:32 No, wait, wait, let me say it. Let me say it my way because you
09:32 --> 09:36 always try to start stuff all the time. So I
09:36 --> 09:40 know when I was at that award ceremony, and I was there that
09:40 --> 09:44 particular night because the band I was working with at that
09:44 --> 09:48 particular time, which was the Full Effect band, was nominated for award.
09:49 --> 09:51 And that was my— that was your second awards.
09:52 --> 09:55 I didn't make— I didn't know anything about the awards show until that
09:56 --> 09:59 particular awards. So I'm
10:00 --> 10:03 sitting there and I'm watching all of this stuff unfold, and I'm like,
10:03 --> 10:07 man, this is great. I'm like, who put this on? I didn't know anything
10:07 --> 10:09 about Leonard Young. I'll be honest with you, I didn't.
10:10 --> 10:14 Um, and I didn't know anything about the awards until the band was
10:14 --> 10:16 nominated. So I,
10:17 --> 10:20 I'm sitting there and I'm watching all this stuff going, and I'm seeing all these
10:20 --> 10:23 people being nominated in all the categories and everything.
10:23 --> 10:27 I'm sorry, this is really a nice event. So I'm sitting there,
10:27 --> 10:31 and then they said, okay everybody, let's introduce,
10:31 --> 10:35 let's introduce you to the man all that's behind us and bring
10:35 --> 10:39 him on stage, and so forth and so forth. And they, they say,
10:39 --> 10:42 Mr. Leonard Young. And you know, you go walking out, and I'm like,
10:42 --> 10:46 that's That's who? You know, that's the guy that put this together?
10:47 --> 10:51 You know, so I was like, but then you spoke and
10:51 --> 10:55 you were very humble and you were very low-key, just like you did Friday
10:56 --> 10:58 night. You didn't make it about you. You made it about everything else.
11:00 --> 11:03 That's what made me want to get to know who you were.
11:05 --> 11:08 If you came up there, you know,
11:09 --> 11:11 I did this, I did that, you know how some people talk, you know,
11:12 --> 11:15 and I, I, I, and you know, they want to make it all about
11:16 --> 11:19 them or whatever. You and I probably would have never really gotten close
11:20 --> 11:23 because that's not what I wanted to hear at that particular moment.
11:24 --> 11:27 What I heard is what I wanted to hear, and I wanted
11:27 --> 11:28 to talk to you because of that.
11:31 --> 11:34 We met ironically, we run into each other a couple days later after that
11:35 --> 11:38 event, and here we are all these years
11:38 --> 11:42 later. So, um, but it was because of what
11:43 --> 11:47 you didn't do that night that made
11:47 --> 11:50 me want to get to know who you were. Because I'm the same way,
11:50 --> 11:53 like when I do events or whatever, I don't make it about me. I sit
11:53 --> 11:57 back and I'm just laid back watching everything, you know. So I get it.
11:57 --> 12:00 So you got to make sure that people,
12:00 --> 12:04 you know, it's the, it's the way to make people pay
12:04 --> 12:07 attention without trying to make them pay attention,
12:08 --> 12:12 you know what I mean? Yeah. So, but anyway,
12:12 --> 12:14 well, once again,
12:14 --> 12:18 congratulations. And, you know,
12:18 --> 12:21 like I said, and good job to the NAACP.
12:22 --> 12:26 Yeah, you know, great event there. Um, and, and, uh, I can't
12:26 --> 12:29 remember if I was telling you or Yolanda, uh, my wife, but I was like
12:30 --> 12:33 You know, this was— that was a very nice event. A lot of
12:33 --> 12:36 movers and shakers, a lot of people who are doing stuff in the community.
12:37 --> 12:40 And it actually made me think, I was like, you know what,
12:41 --> 12:45 I should be going to all the NAACP events. You know,
12:45 --> 12:48 because, you know, of course we have the Wilmington chapter, the Newark,
12:49 --> 12:52 probably a Dover chapter. But, you know,
12:52 --> 12:54 it's— you know what they— I know, you know, it's one of the things where
12:55 --> 12:58 you go and you see people you haven't seen for a long time. You've seen
12:58 --> 13:02 people who you hear about, never met. Um, for us, you know,
13:03 --> 13:06 we saw people who we interviewed on the show and had never met,
13:06 --> 13:10 right? And, um, you know, I mean, it was a good
13:10 --> 13:14 event. Yeah, it was a good event. And, uh, like, um, what you going— Jerome
13:15 --> 13:17 and Lamont was telling me that this, that they, uh,
13:18 --> 13:22 this is the 3rd year, I think they told me, that they'd done this event.
13:22 --> 13:26 So You know, I said, oh, this is the first one I ever knew
13:26 --> 13:30 about. So, you know, so, and you could tell there's
13:31 --> 13:34 a lot— you were right about the movers and shakers that were there because these
13:34 --> 13:37 are a lot of faces that you don't normally see on a regular basis,
13:38 --> 13:41 you know what I mean? So yeah, so even yourself,
13:41 --> 13:44 people don't see you. No, they, they don't.
13:44 --> 13:48 Hey, yeah, I know,
13:48 --> 13:52 I know. He's the magic man, people. He's invisible.
13:52 --> 13:56 So, but anyway, we're going to go ahead and get into
13:56 --> 14:00 our stories, um, and, um, got a few
14:00 --> 14:04 things to talk about tonight, so we're going to try to get through these stories.
14:04 --> 14:08 The first one, it's kind of— I saw this
14:08 --> 14:12 and I was just like, this, you know, this makes no sense to
14:12 --> 14:13 me, but we're going to talk about it.
14:15 --> 14:18 A no true bill is not And
14:18 --> 14:22 the answer, Crump and Sharpton responds after the no indictment
14:23 --> 14:24 in the Nolan Wells case.
14:26 --> 14:30 A Mississippi grand jury has declined to indict
14:30 --> 14:33 anyone in connection with the death,
14:35 --> 14:40 um, of 18-year-old Nolan Xavier
14:40 --> 14:44 Wells, but the decision has not ended questions from
14:44 --> 14:48 Wells' family. Attorney Ben Crump
14:48 --> 14:52 and civil rights leader Al Sharpton about how
14:52 --> 14:57 the teenager died. Says Wells
14:57 --> 15:00 was— who was Black— disappeared July 4th
15:01 --> 15:05 after traveling with his friends to Horn Island off the Mississippi Gulf
15:05 --> 15:08 Coast. His body was found 3 days later after
15:09 --> 15:13 investigation that included 132 subpoenas testimonies
15:13 --> 15:17 from 43 witnesses, and a review of physical
15:17 --> 15:21 and digital evidence, the Jackson County grand jury returned
15:21 --> 15:25 a no true bill, meaning it found
15:25 --> 15:27 no evidence warranting criminal charges.
15:29 --> 15:33 The grand jury concluded that Wells' body was consistent
15:33 --> 15:36 with drowning and found no credible evidence of criminal conduct.
15:38 --> 15:42 District Attorney Angel Myers McGraff
15:43 --> 15:48 has also said there is absolutely no evidence that
15:48 --> 15:53 Wells' death was racially motivated, but Crump, who represents
15:53 --> 15:59 the Wells family, argues that the grand jury's decisions does
15:59 --> 16:03 not resolve questions surrounding injuries
16:03 --> 16:06 documented during forensic examinations.
16:07 --> 16:11 Today, the state of Mississippi is attempting to
16:11 --> 16:16 close the chapter on Nolan Wells' death without
16:16 --> 16:20 getting to the truth, Crump said in a statement released by
16:20 --> 16:24 his office. According to Crump, Mississippi's medical examiner
16:24 --> 16:28 documented bruising on the back of Wells' head.
16:29 --> 16:33 An independent autopsy conducted for the family by forensic
16:33 --> 16:36 pathologist Dr. Roger Mitchell also documented
16:36 --> 16:40 traces of blood and recent blunt force injuries
16:42 --> 16:46 to the back of Wells' head and back. To this
16:46 --> 16:49 day, not one person has explained how they got
16:50 --> 16:53 there. Crump said Mitchell's report, according to Crump's office,
16:53 --> 16:57 said that the available record did not establish whether
16:57 --> 17:00 Wells entered the water voluntarily or was
17:00 --> 17:04 forced. Or whether he was conscious when he entered
17:04 --> 17:09 the— both the state medical examiner
17:09 --> 17:12 and independent pathologist have determined the cause
17:13 --> 17:15 and manner of death to be undetermined.
17:16 --> 17:20 Sharpton, who has publicly supported Wells' family,
17:21 --> 17:25 echoed those concerns in a statement to the email— in
17:25 --> 17:29 Tuesday's email to the Agrio. A no true
17:29 --> 17:33 bill is not an answer to how 18-year-old Nolan
17:34 --> 17:38 Xavier Wells left for an outing with friends and
17:38 --> 17:42 never came home, Sharpton said. His cause
17:42 --> 17:44 and manner of death remains undetermined.
17:45 --> 17:49 Sharpton added that the family will not confuse the
17:49 --> 17:52 absence of indictment with the presence of an answer.
17:53 --> 17:57 We will continue to demand answers, pursue accountability,
17:57 --> 18:01 and mobilize with even greater resolve
18:01 --> 18:06 until justice is served, he said. While the
18:06 --> 18:10 grand jury's decision means no criminal charges have been brought,
18:10 --> 18:15 it does not legally prevent the case from being revisited if
18:15 --> 18:21 new evidence emerges. Mississippi has Um,
18:21 --> 18:23 no statute of limitations for murder charges.
18:25 --> 18:28 So they
18:28 --> 18:32 are saying that there's a no true bill,
18:32 --> 18:35 that, you know, that they're just kind of saying,
18:36 --> 18:39 hey, it hasn't been proven that something happened.
18:41 --> 18:42 And, um,
18:44 --> 18:46 these kids that were with him Basically,
18:47 --> 18:51 they're saying that they have not been able to prove that they did anything wrong,
18:52 --> 18:56 even though there's so many unexplained things
18:56 --> 19:00 that have happened around this case. Do you think
19:00 --> 19:03 that this was done in the right way? Do you think they're making the right
19:04 --> 19:07 decision, or, or do you think that this
19:07 --> 19:11 was one of the other kids and Wells
19:11 --> 19:13 was living? Do you think it would go this easy?
19:14 --> 19:18 Well, Dave, we already know the answer to that because wasn't one of the kids'
19:18 --> 19:21 parents a judge themselves?
19:21 --> 19:24 So, yeah, um, and you know, you know, Dave, I think it's
19:25 --> 19:28 always hard because in cases like this— and,
19:28 --> 19:30 and just tell me your thoughts— from the very beginning,
19:31 --> 19:35 did you think we would get a fair trial? No,
19:35 --> 19:37 it's going to be hard. It was going to be hard from the very moment
19:38 --> 19:41 it happened. So, I mean,
19:41 --> 19:45 I'm not surprised. I mean, I'm sorry, I'm a little surprised
19:46 --> 19:49 at the outcome, but in a way I'm not surprised just because
19:50 --> 19:54 I know what has happened to us historically and then
19:54 --> 19:57 the stuff we've just had to go through culturally being,
19:59 --> 20:02 being Black. Yeah, and that is still the
20:03 --> 20:06 South. I mean, we still talking about how they deal with things down in the
20:07 --> 20:10 South, you know. Um, below that Mason-Dixon line,
20:11 --> 20:13 man, things are a lot different, you know.
20:14 --> 20:18 And, um, and it's really
20:18 --> 20:22 a shame because we just had— we've
20:23 --> 20:27 had so many people over the last 5 years especially to
20:27 --> 20:31 go away on trips and not come home.
20:31 --> 20:35 Yeah. And it always seems to
20:35 --> 20:40 involve people of opposite
20:40 --> 20:43 color sometimes. And, um,
20:44 --> 20:49 and it's just unexplained how people could— how people can come
20:49 --> 20:53 back. And I don't think anybody's been charged in any of these things,
20:54 --> 20:55 you know. So,
20:57 --> 21:00 you know, it seems like they're ruling out a lot of things that happened.
21:00 --> 21:04 I mean, you know, they said that they there was definitely the,
21:05 --> 21:08 you know, they're saying that it seemed like he was hit in the back
21:09 --> 21:12 of the head and in the back of the back. But, you know, they're trying—
21:12 --> 21:16 they're not saying that, that something
21:16 --> 21:21 happened. I mean, I don't
21:21 --> 21:24 know. I, I— it's really, it's really a shame, you know.
21:24 --> 21:27 Um, here it is, we got this 18-year-old kid that's, that's gone.
21:29 --> 21:32 Well, I guess he's 19 now, um,
21:32 --> 21:36 and, you know, he had him, you know, he was playing football, and it's
21:37 --> 21:39 really a shame. It really is. And I hope that,
21:40 --> 21:44 you know, let's just say if
21:44 --> 21:48 they're innocent, then I'm glad to find out
21:48 --> 21:50 that they didn't have anything to do with this.
21:52 --> 21:56 But if they're not And there's some type
21:56 --> 21:57 of cover-up going on,
22:00 --> 22:03 you know. Let's hope it doesn't come out the wrong
22:03 --> 22:07 way because they're gonna have a problem, you know what I mean? So yeah,
22:08 --> 22:11 so story that definitely, folks, we need to keep
22:12 --> 22:14 an eye on because I know Benjamin Crump is not going anywhere,
22:15 --> 22:18 you know. Him and Alex Sharpton are going to try to prove that
22:19 --> 22:22 something happened, I'm sure. So, um,
22:23 --> 22:26 so they can try to close the case for now. I'm sure
22:27 --> 22:28 that we'll hear more about it later.
22:30 --> 22:35 So, all right, moving on to this
22:35 --> 22:38 next story. Um,
22:39 --> 22:42 I, I saw— I was watching a little interview when—
22:42 --> 22:44 about this, and I just thought I'd bring it up.
22:46 --> 22:49 Um, Kirk Franklin says his mother still rejects DNA results
22:49 --> 22:53 identifying his father. Do you remember? I think we even talked
22:53 --> 22:57 about it on the show. Do you remember a couple years ago when Kirk Franklin
22:57 --> 22:59 did the, um,
23:00 --> 23:03 Finding Your Roots show? You know, the, the show with the
23:04 --> 23:08 guy that does the Finding Roots, and he found out that the—
23:08 --> 23:11 he had just buried the person who he thought was his father.
23:12 --> 23:15 Uh-huh. But it turned out it wasn't his father. Oh wow. Because,
23:15 --> 23:19 because the guy found out who
23:19 --> 23:23 his real father was and the mother had a fit because
23:23 --> 23:27 she denied it. And she got, you know, that her
23:27 --> 23:31 and Kurt Franklin fell out over this because he kept denying.
23:31 --> 23:35 He took 2 tests and
23:35 --> 23:40 that came back 9 point He— I think he said 999%
23:41 --> 23:45 saying that this man is his father, and the mother is still denying
23:45 --> 23:49 that it happened, that it's not his father. So this story came up
23:49 --> 23:52 recently. This story came up recently. It says Kirk Franklin
23:52 --> 23:56 says his mother still refuses to accept DNA results
23:57 --> 24:00 identifying Richard Hubbard as his biological father.
24:01 --> 24:05 The Grammy Award-winning gospel star Excuse
24:05 --> 24:09 me, says that the ongoing family divide
24:09 --> 24:12 remains painful 3 years after this— his discovery.
24:13 --> 24:17 Franklin discussed his relationship with his mother,
24:17 --> 24:20 Deborah Jones, during a September 17th appearance
24:21 --> 24:25 on the Angie Martinez Show. He said Jones continues
24:25 --> 24:28 to reject the results of 2 DNA tests,
24:29 --> 24:33 even quite a few years ago. This whole thing about
24:33 --> 24:35 me discovering, um,
24:37 --> 24:41 see, me discovering my
24:43 --> 24:46 new dad, he still denies it, Franklin says.
24:47 --> 24:50 He added 2 DNA tests, all of
24:50 --> 24:54 them 9s, and she says they
24:54 --> 24:57 ain't— that he still ain't your daddy.
24:58 --> 25:03 Franklin told Martinez that the disagreement has contributed to continued
25:03 --> 25:07 estrangement. It's very painful. I haven't seen her,
25:07 --> 25:11 he said. He also says Jones walked out of
25:11 --> 25:15 his Father's Day documentary,
25:15 --> 25:19 which chronicled his discovery. I remember that. She,
25:19 --> 25:21 she got up and just walked out.
25:22 --> 25:26 But that, that's consistent with my life experience with
25:27 --> 25:30 her, though, Franklin said. Complex reports that Franklin
25:31 --> 25:34 met Hubbard in 2023 after
25:35 --> 25:38 spending decades without knowing his biological father.
25:40 --> 25:43 Franklin previously, previously believed,
25:44 --> 25:47 um, another man, Dwight Allen,
25:49 --> 25:53 was his father. A DNA test later identified
25:53 --> 25:57 Hubbard as Franklin's biological father. A second
25:57 --> 26:01 test also supported the results after Jones disputed Hubbard's paternity.
26:02 --> 26:03 Um,
26:06 --> 26:10 it was previously reported that testing produced a 99.9
26:11 --> 26:15 paternity match between Franklin and Hubbard. So all
26:15 --> 26:18 but 1% was proven. Hubbard had
26:19 --> 26:22 also lived in the same neighborhood where Franklin grew up.
26:24 --> 26:28 To live over half a century with somebody who
26:29 --> 26:31 lived in the same city as you,
26:32 --> 26:36 Franklin said in 2023. He described struggling with love,
26:36 --> 26:40 intimacy, faith, and identity while growing up without
26:40 --> 26:45 paternal guidance. Franklin named his 2003
26:45 --> 26:49 album Father's Day after,
26:50 --> 26:54 um, the life-changing discovery.
26:54 --> 26:58 He also explored his complicated family history through
26:59 --> 27:02 accompanying documentary. Finding Hubbard's
27:02 --> 27:06 Answer answered a question Franklin
27:07 --> 27:09 had carried for decades.
27:11 --> 27:15 However, his latest comments shows that the discovery also created
27:15 --> 27:20 a painful divide within his family. So the reason
27:21 --> 27:24 I brought that up, because I have a couple friends who,
27:24 --> 27:25 who, um,
27:27 --> 27:31 recently, um, have gone through
27:31 --> 27:35 finding out that they have other siblings You
27:35 --> 27:38 know, finding out, uh, there's one— oh,
27:38 --> 27:43 uh, like, uh, you met Kathy down at the campground.
27:44 --> 27:47 Um, Kathy, she just found that she— her
27:47 --> 27:51 father had a son that they just recently connected
27:52 --> 27:55 over the last 2 years, and he found her on Ancestry.
27:56 --> 28:00 You know, she didn't know anything about this guy, but it turns out
28:00 --> 28:02 this is her biological brother. They did the testing and everything.
28:03 --> 28:07 Um, you know, so when you have these type of situations that come up,
28:09 --> 28:13 you know, but it also can alter other
28:13 --> 28:16 situations that you came up in. I mean,
28:16 --> 28:20 would you want to know if you
28:20 --> 28:24 found out that there's another person who possibly
28:24 --> 28:26 could be your, your father or your mother?
28:29 --> 28:32 I mean, in a way yes,
28:32 --> 28:35 and then in a way no, you know. Um,
28:36 --> 28:40 I think I would because, you know, I think it is, it's just that never-ending
28:40 --> 28:44 curiosity. And, you know, not even
28:44 --> 28:48 curiosity, it's probably additionally like, okay, why, you know, did you give
28:48 --> 28:51 me up? You know, were you young, young parents?
28:52 --> 28:54 You know, did you get scared? You know.
28:55 --> 28:59 And then I say no, just in terms
28:59 --> 29:03 of, you know, I, I personally consider myself having great
29:03 --> 29:06 parents, great family, great-great,
29:07 --> 29:10 um, grandparents. So, you know,
29:10 --> 29:13 it's not that I was lacking anything,
29:14 --> 29:18 but it would be more for curiosity. Now, for people who may feel
29:18 --> 29:21 like, you know, they didn't have great parents, didn't have great
29:21 --> 29:25 family, didn't have, you know, whatever then,
29:25 --> 29:27 then I, I could definitely see that more,
29:29 --> 29:32 um, of, you know, like a struggle for them,
29:33 --> 29:36 you know, Dave. And it's funny because that's even like people who, uh,
29:38 --> 29:41 you know, find out late in life that they have other brothers,
29:41 --> 29:45 sisters, half, you know, half brothers, half sisters,
29:46 --> 29:49 and, you know, people reconnecting on Facebook. And, you know,
29:49 --> 29:53 I'm sure you heard many of those stories, people finding
29:53 --> 29:57 each other on Facebook and via social media, so Um,
29:57 --> 30:00 you know, I, I definitely think it's a desire of a lot of people.
30:02 --> 30:05 Yeah, that's true. And, um, actually,
30:05 --> 30:08 that's one thing that social media has been great for, is connecting
30:08 --> 30:11 families, and especially some of the missing pieces
30:11 --> 30:15 that have been out there. You know, um,
30:16 --> 30:20 um, I was watching something on TV, um, an interview
30:20 --> 30:23 on TV, and one, one of the guy said he,
30:24 --> 30:28 he was, um, on Instagram and he kept seeing this
30:29 --> 30:33 guy who really looked a lot like him on
30:33 --> 30:36 Instagram. And, you know,
30:37 --> 30:40 the only thing that was different between
30:41 --> 30:43 the two, he was darker than the other guy,
30:44 --> 30:48 but they had basically the same body build, same face
30:48 --> 30:51 and everything. And so forth. And he said, you know, and the guy was a
30:51 --> 30:55 singer, and this, this guy also
30:55 --> 30:59 sings too. So he said, you know,
30:59 --> 31:03 he didn't think anything of it at first. And everybody, you know,
31:03 --> 31:07 he would show, you know, send like, uh, the,
31:07 --> 31:10 the clip or something to a friend of theirs. They said, gosh, that guy looks
31:11 --> 31:14 just like you, like a version of you. He said, have you
31:15 --> 31:17 ever tried to reach out to him? And he said he never tried to reach
31:18 --> 31:21 out to him. He did, you know, they did follow each other,
31:21 --> 31:23 you know, because like I said, this guy sings too.
31:24 --> 31:28 And he said they sounded a lot like when they sang. So one day he
31:28 --> 31:31 reached out to him finally and he said, where are you from?
31:33 --> 31:36 And he said that he's from New Jersey.
31:38 --> 31:42 And he said, huh, he said, I'm from New Jersey. He said,
31:42 --> 31:45 what part? And he said,
31:45 --> 31:49 up in the Newark area. He said, that's interesting.
31:49 --> 31:51 He said, I'm from the Newark area too.
31:52 --> 31:55 He said, well, where'd you
31:56 --> 31:59 go to school? And he told him, uh,
31:59 --> 32:03 apparently there's some type of private school up there that
32:03 --> 32:07 this guy went to. The, the, um, he said,
32:07 --> 32:11 oh well. He said, well, I went to you know, whatever their main high school
32:11 --> 32:15 is up there. So they're
32:15 --> 32:18 talking a little bit more, and so he said, uh,
32:20 --> 32:24 well, what's your parents' name? So he mentions his parents,
32:25 --> 32:29 and it didn't ring a bell to him. But he went—
32:29 --> 32:33 this guy went and asked his mother, did he know that name?
32:34 --> 32:37 And the mother knew the family. And she said, yeah,
32:37 --> 32:41 I know that, I know that family. She said, matter of fact,
32:43 --> 32:47 um, I knew, um, and I,
32:48 --> 32:51 I knew that family for a while, but she said, I don't remember the
32:52 --> 32:52 mom ever having a kid.
32:55 --> 32:58 And, you know, so they just talked a little
32:59 --> 33:02 bit more and more, you know, they kept finding out, you know, a little more
33:02 --> 33:06 about each other. And it turns out the
33:06 --> 33:10 mom did some digging and found the lady's phone number,
33:10 --> 33:13 this guy's mom's phone number, and reached out to her.
33:15 --> 33:17 And they did know each other pretty well back in the day,
33:18 --> 33:22 so they, you know, they talked and they got her— got
33:22 --> 33:25 caught up. Turns out she never did have
33:26 --> 33:27 a kid. This kid was adopted.
33:30 --> 33:33 Right. So she said,
33:33 --> 33:36 well, how was the kid adopted? Who did she adopt him from?
33:37 --> 33:41 And it turned out this child was her sister's
33:41 --> 33:45 child and she raised him, but he never
33:45 --> 33:49 knew this. Turned out the
33:49 --> 33:52 other guy's father and the sister had an affair.
33:54 --> 33:56 And that was his brother. Oh wow.
33:59 --> 34:02 All that came out because of them seeing each other on social
34:02 --> 34:04 media, right? You know,
34:06 --> 34:09 and, um, you know, so that's just one of them situations,
34:09 --> 34:12 you know, that, you know, um, that happens.
34:12 --> 34:14 And sometimes you may want to know— I mean,
34:16 --> 34:20 um, I know my pastor has, has a story
34:20 --> 34:23 about finding out that he was adopted,
34:23 --> 34:27 you know, years ago. And he and I have known each other since
34:27 --> 34:30 we were 9 years old. I remember the day that he found out.
34:31 --> 34:34 Oh wow. And because he, he was like,
34:34 --> 34:38 what? We were like teenagers. We were 16 years old when that happened. So,
34:39 --> 34:42 so that, you know, it does happen. I don't know, you know,
34:43 --> 34:49 I don't know how I would feel I
34:50 --> 34:54 mean, I have a half-sibling now that I've, I've never really had any
34:56 --> 34:59 real connection to, you know, you know, uh,
34:59 --> 35:03 that my father— and when you say have
35:03 --> 35:07 not had really any, uh, real connection to, does that mean you
35:07 --> 35:11 know who they are but you don't associate with them? I know who, who he
35:12 --> 35:15 is. Um, and I don't want to sound like cold that
35:16 --> 35:19 I don't— I mean, I just haven't associated with him.
35:19 --> 35:23 Um, we, we made a slight— we made
35:23 --> 35:27 an attempt years ago. When I'm saying years ago, over 30 years
35:27 --> 35:31 ago. Um, I've known
35:31 --> 35:37 of him just about 3 quarters of my life because ironically
35:37 --> 35:42 me, him, and my sister went to nursery school with together.
35:42 --> 35:46 He's the same age as my sister, so my mom and
35:46 --> 35:49 his mom was pregnant at the same time by my father.
35:51 --> 35:55 So, um, but I haven't seen this guy in
35:55 --> 35:58 years. I, I wouldn't know him if I walked across the street
35:58 --> 36:03 and walked right past him. But I,
36:04 --> 36:07 I, it's— I've thought about it over the years. Me and my sister was talking
36:07 --> 36:10 about it, um, Last year we talked about this, said,
36:10 --> 36:14 dude, should we reach out to him or should we
36:14 --> 36:17 try to figure out what's going on with him now?
36:17 --> 36:20 And I said, well, you know, this dude,
36:20 --> 36:23 60-something years, you know, he's 64 years old now. I mean,
36:24 --> 36:27 do we start a relationship at 60, all of
36:28 --> 36:31 us 60-plus? You know what I mean? I don't know.
36:31 --> 36:35 I don't know what to say about that. Well, let me ask
36:35 --> 36:39 this. If, if he contacted you out the blue and,
36:39 --> 36:43 and he was attempting to build a real relationship with you,
36:44 --> 36:46 um, is that something you will still be open to, or do you feel like
36:47 --> 36:50 you're just— I, I would definitely have a conversation. I would definitely talk to him.
36:51 --> 36:54 Um, if— I mean, if I ran into— like, I looked—
36:54 --> 36:58 I've looked on social media to see if I've seen him pop up, but I
36:58 --> 37:02 haven't yet. I don't know if he's on social media, and then
37:02 --> 37:05 of course, you know, he could be under a different name, who knows. But,
37:05 --> 37:09 uh, um, but yes, I definitely
37:09 --> 37:11 will have a conversation and see,
37:12 --> 37:18 see how that went. He actually has children
37:20 --> 37:23 with my sister's god sister, like my
37:24 --> 37:27 sister's godmother had these kids, and one of the girls,
37:29 --> 37:32 um, had— has children by him. So,
37:33 --> 37:37 you know, so we always knew that connection, but, um,
37:38 --> 37:42 they're not together now, but they of course have raised kids,
37:42 --> 37:46 you know what I mean? So, so,
37:46 --> 37:50 um, what made us— what
37:51 --> 37:54 made us talk about it, because my sister's godmother passed away last year,
37:54 --> 37:57 and that's what made— that's what made us talk about all this. So,
37:58 --> 38:01 right, yeah, okay. But anyway,
38:01 --> 38:04 um, but I hope— I hope that could— I mean, you know,
38:05 --> 38:08 I'm hoping that Curtin and his mother can kind of get back on the same
38:09 --> 38:13 page. I don't know, it sounds to me like whatever happened
38:13 --> 38:18 between her and this Hubbard person who
38:18 --> 38:22 is his father, sounds like it was something that she definitely
38:22 --> 38:26 was burying and she didn't want to come out,
38:26 --> 38:29 right? And the fact that, you know, she's still saying that
38:29 --> 38:33 the tests are wrong even though he took 2 tests that only show
38:34 --> 38:38 that 1 percentage says— 1 percentage point says that he's not
38:39 --> 38:43 the father. Yeah, you know, so interesting.
38:44 --> 38:47 You know, and I mean, and Dave, to be honest, maybe she's
38:47 --> 38:51 hiding something, but you know, maybe it's got to be something. It's got to
38:52 --> 38:55 be something. And I mean, you know, not to break out,
38:55 --> 38:58 you know, anything crazy, but you know, we've heard
38:58 --> 39:02 many stories about, uh, young women being molested
39:02 --> 39:05 by uncles, fathers, you know.
39:05 --> 39:09 So I mean, you know, not to say it's a situation like
39:09 --> 39:13 that, but you know, maybe that's why she's
39:13 --> 39:17 not, you know, maybe, um, you know, I,
39:17 --> 39:20 I don't know. It'd be painful. It could be painful. I mean, it could be.
39:21 --> 39:24 I mean, the way she reacted— I watched that bit, you know, if you ever
39:24 --> 39:27 get a chance, go back and watch it. She was very,
39:28 --> 39:31 very, very upset. And yes,
39:31 --> 39:34 she did leave out of it. She, she walked out of there and,
39:35 --> 39:38 you know, and she just kept saying, this can't be, this can't be. I'm telling
39:38 --> 39:42 you, that's not your father. That's not your father. You know,
39:42 --> 39:44 so, so something happened,
39:45 --> 39:48 definitely, you know. And he's not saying,
39:48 --> 39:51 you know, the father wasn't saying too much, you know,
39:51 --> 39:55 about their whatever they had,
39:56 --> 40:01 you know. So something, you know, something caused
40:01 --> 40:05 her to react that way. That's what I'm gonna say. So I hope
40:05 --> 40:09 they're able to get— because the fact that he and his mother have not talked
40:09 --> 40:11 in 3 years that's not good. And of course,
40:13 --> 40:16 you know, uh, you know,
40:16 --> 40:20 when, when people are getting older and whatever, you know,
40:23 --> 40:26 you, you know, a lot of people, you know, so many people tend to die
40:26 --> 40:30 of broken hearts, you know. Um, let's hope
40:30 --> 40:32 this is not one of those situations. So, all right.
40:35 --> 40:39 I'll move on to our next thing.
40:40 --> 40:43 This has been one of the most talked about things over the last week.
40:44 --> 40:48 Um, when I saw it, I just— when I first
40:48 --> 40:52 saw it, I said, oh man, he didn't mess up now. Um,
40:53 --> 40:57 and then immediately after it surfaced online,
40:57 --> 41:01 the, the, the people copying the video was just hilarious.
41:01 --> 41:04 Oh yeah, you know, so,
41:04 --> 41:08 but I don't know if you had to be under a rock by now if
41:08 --> 41:11 you haven't seen Tyler Perry go
41:11 --> 41:16 down the spirit tunnel on the Jennifer Hudson Show, because that's
41:16 --> 41:20 all everybody's been talking about over the last week is Tyler Perry and
41:21 --> 41:24 this thing. But it's just so funny how the internet is undefeated because,
41:24 --> 41:28 I mean, that video wasn't out a whole day before
41:30 --> 41:33 before people were mocking it already, you know. So,
41:34 --> 41:36 but anyway, for those who are under a rock,
41:38 --> 41:41 uh, Perry came to promote his latest movie,
41:42 --> 41:46 but he cropped a white jacket. His cropped white
41:46 --> 41:50 jacket and playful moves gave social media entirely
41:50 --> 41:54 different assignment. Tyler Perry danced his way through The
41:54 --> 41:58 Jennifer Hudson Show's spirit tunnel. And social media
41:58 --> 42:02 wasted no time, um,
42:05 --> 42:08 approximately zero time turning the filmmaker's
42:08 --> 42:12 moves and that cropped white jacket
42:12 --> 42:15 into comedy. Perry,
42:15 --> 42:18 57, made his first visit to the Jennifer Hudson show
42:19 --> 42:23 Happy Place, Happy Place, for the September
42:23 --> 42:27 14th Uh, for the September 14th season
42:28 --> 42:31 5 premiere with promoting his Netflix film Why
42:32 --> 42:36 Did I Get Married Again. Before talking movies,
42:36 --> 42:39 however, Perry had to make it through the tunnel,
42:40 --> 42:44 and technically he did. What followed
42:44 --> 42:46 was hips,
42:47 --> 42:51 hip swivels, some shoulder action Just enough
42:51 --> 42:54 rhythm to send social media straight into Madea mode.
42:55 --> 42:57 Uh-huh. Uh,
42:57 --> 43:01 video from the Jennifer Hudson Show shows Perry smiling
43:01 --> 43:04 and moving to the beat as staffers clapped and chanted his name.
43:05 --> 43:09 Wearing black trousers and a black shirt topped with
43:10 --> 43:13 a cropped white jacket, Perry delivered some hip movement,
43:13 --> 43:17 shoulder action, and carefully rash in
43:17 --> 43:20 footwork. That was all social media needed.
43:21 --> 43:25 Sandra Rose highlighted reactions from the
43:25 --> 43:29 viewers apparently believed Perry was holding back.
43:30 --> 43:33 He wanted to twerk so bad, one user said.
43:34 --> 43:38 Another wrote, Madea was fighting for her life in that white
43:38 --> 43:42 jacket. So now, why did Madea have to get
43:42 --> 43:46 dragged into this? The Mabel Madea Simmons comparisons kept coming.
43:47 --> 43:51 Madea wanted to come out so bad, another user
43:51 --> 43:54 wrote, while someone else declared,
43:55 --> 43:58 you will always be Madea. The crop
43:58 --> 44:02 jacket wasn't spared either, as viewers dissected Perry's
44:03 --> 44:06 entire look along with his dancing. For the record, Perry appeared
44:07 --> 44:11 to be having a perfectly good time. The man gave the
44:11 --> 44:15 hallway a play, a few playful steps, and social
44:15 --> 44:19 media transformed into judges,
44:19 --> 44:22 fashion critics, and media historians.
44:24 --> 44:28 Then Not Carlton Banks— you ever
44:29 --> 44:32 see this guy's videos? He is funny.
44:33 --> 44:36 His@ is called Not Carlton Banks. Oh no,
44:36 --> 44:40 I haven't. He's funny though. He is really funny. He took
44:40 --> 44:44 the joke one step further, delivering an Instagram parody that suggests
44:45 --> 44:49 Perry's Spirit Tunnel performance may have left a few moves
44:49 --> 44:52 on the cutting room floor. Perry was there
44:52 --> 44:57 to promote Why Did I Get Married, the latest installment of his relationship franchise,
44:57 --> 45:01 but the Spirit Tunnel had other plans. Tyler supplied
45:01 --> 45:06 the crop jacket and the moves. The internet supplied the commentary.
45:06 --> 45:10 And Madea, she never officially appeared,
45:10 --> 45:14 but judging from those reactions, folks swear she was
45:15 --> 45:18 about 2 hip rolls away. So, so,
45:19 --> 45:23 um, it was, it was
45:23 --> 45:26 an interesting dance. He was having a good
45:26 --> 45:29 time with it, and you could tell that he was trying to hold back a
45:29 --> 45:32 little bit because there was a couple points he looked like he was about to
45:32 --> 45:34 do something crazy. So,
45:36 --> 45:39 but this story's being nice because
45:39 --> 45:43 if you went to the— and I think
45:43 --> 45:47 you know what I'm talking about— because when you went to the
45:47 --> 45:50 comments, I couldn't
45:51 --> 45:54 stop laughing, man. I'm serious, I could not stop laughing reading those comments.
45:55 --> 45:59 And a lot of it wasn't even words. A lot of them was just
45:59 --> 46:03 the GIFs, the GIFs and everything that people were using And
46:03 --> 46:06 everybody was giving, you know, you had the ones with the side eye and the
46:07 --> 46:10 ones like shaking their head. Now we know, that type of
46:10 --> 46:14 thing. Oh, Tyler, you let the
46:14 --> 46:17 cat out of the bag with this one, man. You know, so there was just
46:18 --> 46:21 a lot of, a lot of people say, well, if you didn't
46:22 --> 46:25 know, folks, you know now. So, so what was
46:25 --> 46:28 your whole, what was your whole thoughts about everything you saw?
46:29 --> 46:32 Well, you know, it's funny, the first time I saw it, I didn't even know
46:33 --> 46:36 if it was real or not because I, I— first of all, the outfit that
46:36 --> 46:39 Tyler had on didn't look like something that he would
46:39 --> 46:43 normally wear. Normally wear, right. And for, for some reason,
46:44 --> 46:47 and this is just me, his head looked big. So, and when I
46:47 --> 46:50 first saw— I thought I was the only one that thought that, Letter. Yeah,
46:51 --> 46:54 it did, it did, it did look like he was like— his head didn't belong
46:54 --> 46:58 to his body, right? Yeah. So, you know, I thought someone had just superimposed
46:59 --> 47:02 his head onto somebody else's body. That's what I
47:03 --> 47:05 first thought. And then of course, you know, I saw all the stuff around the
47:05 --> 47:09 internet. And then when I saw it the second time, I was, you know,
47:09 --> 47:12 you know, Dave, it's the one thing you have to shake your head. Yeah.
47:12 --> 47:14 But now in, in his defense,
47:16 --> 47:20 Dave, if I went on the Jennifer Hudson Show with
47:20 --> 47:24 my 2 left feet and I was forced to do some
47:24 --> 47:28 type of movement down the aisle, y'all might
47:28 --> 47:31 have been talking about me the, the, the same type of— I mean,
47:32 --> 47:35 you know, I'm, I'm just not sure. But what I will say is,
47:36 --> 47:40 for a non-dancer to be forced to dance
47:40 --> 47:43 down a, like, a Soul Train line,
47:44 --> 47:47 that right there is tough work, Dave. All right, there's tough
47:48 --> 47:51 work. Yeah, yeah, I get it, I get it. But Um,
47:51 --> 47:55 I don't think his dancing was that bad though.
47:56 --> 47:59 I think he got down the line. Yeah, I think he,
47:59 --> 48:02 I think he was being cautious. Oh,
48:02 --> 48:06 I'm sure he was. Yeah, I think he was
48:06 --> 48:09 being very cautious,
48:09 --> 48:14 cautious about how he, he went down that line,
48:14 --> 48:18 uh, even though it
48:18 --> 48:21 didn't work. Yeah, put it that way. Because so
48:22 --> 48:24 what, they would have been better if he just twerked? You know, it might have
48:25 --> 48:27 been better if he just twerked down the line. Like, at least people would maybe
48:27 --> 48:31 laugh, thought it was comedy. Yeah, they would have thought it was just him being
48:31 --> 48:37 Madea, you know what I mean? So, um, but he—
48:38 --> 48:40 I mean, he didn't help himself with the way he went down the line,
48:40 --> 48:44 you know what I mean? Because, you know, of course, for— I mean, everybody knows
48:45 --> 48:49 there's speculation out there about his whole preference
48:49 --> 48:52 and, you know, as far as his sexuality and everything is concerned.
48:53 --> 48:57 And of course, that whole thing, like, the comment section,
48:57 --> 49:00 man, they just went wild. I'm telling you, they really did.
49:02 --> 49:05 So, but, um, and then,
49:05 --> 49:09 um, he actually sang with Jennifer Hudson on the show
49:09 --> 49:12 too. Yeah, he did. Yeah. So Um,
49:13 --> 49:17 I did see a clip of that, but, um, but you
49:17 --> 49:21 know, Tyler— you think Tyler worried about what people got to say?
49:21 --> 49:25 That man's a billionaire. He talked about— he talked about moving to
49:25 --> 49:28 Puerto Rico and building a compound down there, you know.
49:29 --> 49:33 But did, did he mention Puerto Rico because he
49:33 --> 49:37 was trying to get away from some of the stereotypes he had acquired over
49:37 --> 49:42 here? He mentioned Puerto Rico because he just said that he's tired
49:42 --> 49:45 of, you know, what's going on here.
49:46 --> 49:48 But I mean, Puerto Rico is still part of the United States. I mean,
49:49 --> 49:51 he ain't going too far, you know. I could see if he went to Colombia
49:52 --> 49:55 or someplace like that, but you know, um, but I
49:56 --> 49:59 guess he can go to Puerto Rico, um,
49:59 --> 50:02 and, you know,
50:03 --> 50:05 don't have to deal with a lot of people because, you know, you know,
50:06 --> 50:09 Tyler Perry, 6'5, he's a big guy. Yeah, you know, he stands out
50:10 --> 50:13 anywhere that he goes, but he can go to Puerto Rico and probably chill,
50:16 --> 50:19 you know what I mean? Because he's down, you know,
50:19 --> 50:23 he's down there in the Atlanta area now, and, you know, he's,
50:23 --> 50:27 you know, he's among celebrities
50:27 --> 50:29 on a regular basis. So, um,
50:30 --> 50:34 um, you know Puerto
50:34 --> 50:37 Rico is an interesting place. I wonder, I wonder why Puerto Rico, uh,
50:37 --> 50:40 but that's where he, that's where he wants to go, I'm sure.
50:40 --> 50:44 Look, he might, he might live there part of the time and live here
50:44 --> 50:47 in the States part of the time. I know he's supposed to be adding on
50:47 --> 50:50 to— I heard he was adding on to the
50:51 --> 50:54 studio down there, and then he just bought another,
50:55 --> 50:59 another, um, piece of land that he wants in another state
50:59 --> 51:02 that he's supposed to be putting a studio on. Oh really? Okay.
51:02 --> 51:06 Yeah, so yeah, I forget what state it was, so— but
51:07 --> 51:09 anyway, but Tyler, you know,
51:11 --> 51:13 you did your thing going down that line,
51:16 --> 51:20 man. I would suggest that you retire from doing
51:20 --> 51:24 the spirit line from this point on though. That's— so if you
51:24 --> 51:27 had to go down the Jennifer Hudson line, what, what dance would you do?
51:30 --> 51:33 Uh, that's a good question. Um,
51:34 --> 51:38 and would you be concerned about how you looked on national TV
51:38 --> 51:41 going down the line, or would you be like, oh, I mean, because, you know,
51:41 --> 51:44 like, I think I would have fun with it. But I mean, you know,
51:45 --> 51:48 this, this whole thing with Tyler is about, you know, we, yeah,
51:48 --> 51:52 we're being nice. We're, we're not putting out what this is really all about.
51:52 --> 51:55 But, you know, they wanted to see what was going to happen when he
51:56 --> 51:59 went down that line, and what happened— what they wanted see they saw.
51:59 --> 52:03 Let's put it that way. I got you. Okay, so,
52:03 --> 52:07 um, you know, I tell you one thing, I always like—
52:07 --> 52:10 always check out the spirit line. You know, some people really have a good time
52:11 --> 52:14 with— I tell you, the best one ever was Anderson .Paak. Anderson .Paak
52:14 --> 52:18 did— oh, you gotta check that out. Anderson .Paak did
52:18 --> 52:21 this thing going down that spirit line. Um,
52:22 --> 52:27 he was— he was one of the best ones. Of course
52:27 --> 52:29 You know, you heard everybody talk about the Aaron Pierre when Aaron Pierre went down.
52:29 --> 52:32 Yeah, okay. And then, um,
52:33 --> 52:36 Drewski was pretty funny too. Drewski was pretty funny.
52:37 --> 52:40 Yeah, he was pretty funny going down. Um, but you know who pissed
52:40 --> 52:43 me off during— tell us,
52:44 --> 52:48 because you always see this person dancing on her show and
52:49 --> 52:52 on Instagram you'll see her dancing. No, it wasn't Ellen.
52:52 --> 52:55 It was, it was, um, Sherri Shepherd.
52:56 --> 52:59 Oh really? Okay. She did not dance going down the line. She just
53:00 --> 53:03 walked down the line. And, and you were pissed, huh? Yeah,
53:04 --> 53:07 because she's always dancing all the time, you know. And I don't know if that
53:07 --> 53:10 was something— maybe she was feeling some kind of way because I think that was
53:11 --> 53:14 after, right after the announcement that her show was going to
53:14 --> 53:17 be canceled. And she probably saying, why this chick still got a show and I
53:18 --> 53:20 ain't got a show, you know what I mean? That's That's what I was thinking
53:20 --> 53:23 about it. But she did not dance every— and in the
53:24 --> 53:27 comments everybody said something about it. Everybody was like, how's she gonna be dancing every
53:28 --> 53:30 time you see her and then she gonna walk down the spirit line?
53:32 --> 53:34 So, you know, so I don't know.
53:35 --> 53:37 But anyway, that's, uh,
53:38 --> 53:42 way to go Tyler. That's, you know, so,
53:42 --> 53:45 um, but one day, I don't know,
53:46 --> 53:48 when I go down the spirit line, man, I'll figure out what dance I'm gonna
53:49 --> 53:52 I'm doing. So I'll let you know. So, all right, sounds good.
53:53 --> 53:56 All right, uh, that brings us to Leonard's favorite
53:56 --> 53:58 part of the show, Mr. Culture Check here, uh,
53:59 --> 54:02 Dave's Corner. Now I ain't gonna— I ain't gonna test you today,
54:03 --> 54:07 uh, you know, I just got a, uh, philosophical question for
54:07 --> 54:09 you. Well, shucks. Here we go.
54:10 --> 54:14 Um, do you think we are
54:14 --> 54:17 better off now, as far as the economy
54:18 --> 54:22 and technology goes now,
54:23 --> 54:26 or do you think we'll be better off 10 years from now?
54:29 --> 54:32 Now, when you first hear that question, you probably think to yourself,
54:32 --> 54:36 oh well, you know, you automatically think that 10 years from now
54:36 --> 54:39 we could be better. But then you got to think about this a little bit.
54:40 --> 54:43 Could be, you know, What do you think? We'll be better off,
54:43 --> 54:46 or do you think we— so is this, is this,
54:46 --> 54:50 um, economically and technically together,
54:50 --> 54:53 or it's separate? Well, you can— whatever way you want to answer it, you can
54:54 --> 54:56 do it, but both with using both of those as the backdrop though.
54:58 --> 55:01 So I think that the average person will probably
55:02 --> 55:05 be better off now, and you know, I,
55:05 --> 55:09 I think I say that because I feel like with
55:10 --> 55:14 technology, the rich are going to get richer and the poor are going to
55:14 --> 55:18 get poorer. So I feel like as these next years,
55:18 --> 55:22 5, 10, 20 years go by, there's going to
55:22 --> 55:26 be a larger divide between the haves and the have-nots.
55:27 --> 55:30 And, you know, they've unfortunately traditionally— a lot of,
55:31 --> 55:34 a lot of us, us skin folk have been on the have-not side.
55:35 --> 55:39 But I feel like, um, and you know, unfortunately we're not
55:39 --> 55:43 on the technology side either, or the, the AI algorithm
55:43 --> 55:47 side. So I feel like some of these technology—
55:48 --> 55:51 I was just talking to somebody today and they were saying that they had
55:52 --> 55:55 been applying for jobs and they said, you know,
55:55 --> 55:59 the last 10 years they've never had issue getting jobs, getting interviews.
56:00 --> 56:03 But for some reason, the last 4 or 5 months, they've been getting all
56:04 --> 56:08 these automatic AI rejections,
56:08 --> 56:11 algorithm rejections, you know.
56:11 --> 56:14 Um, they said they applied for a job at like
56:15 --> 56:18 11 at night, at night, and they woke up at 1 AM,
56:18 --> 56:23 they had gotten a, um, you know, a rejection email. So already?
56:24 --> 56:28 All right. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, you know, I think AI,
56:28 --> 56:32 I mean, AI, I mean, of course we can take advantage of it,
56:33 --> 56:36 but I don't, I don't believe it's in our best interest how,
56:37 --> 56:40 you know, we're considered with AI and the algorithm.
56:42 --> 56:45 Okay. So with that said, I'm gonna say, I think,
56:46 --> 56:49 I think overall, just quality of life,
56:50 --> 56:53 I think now is going to
56:53 --> 56:54 be better than later.
56:58 --> 57:01 You know, I tend to agree with you. I think this is— I think we're
57:01 --> 57:05 in a better position now, and both
57:05 --> 57:09 economy-wise and, and also technology-wise,
57:09 --> 57:13 because if things, especially on the technology side,
57:13 --> 57:16 if things are happening or will happen the way that
57:17 --> 57:20 they've been talking— I mean, after all, before you and I came on the show,
57:20 --> 57:24 I was telling you about how You know, the government was up there
57:24 --> 57:28 trying to figure, you know, trying to pass laws to try to slow down
57:28 --> 57:29 the development of AI.
57:31 --> 57:34 Um, which is of course the number
57:35 --> 57:39 one tech thing now. I mean, you know, when you turn around, AI is
57:39 --> 57:44 everywhere, right? Watching my cousin on Instagram driving in
57:44 --> 57:48 his Tesla, no hands. In the car,
57:48 --> 57:49 and I was like,
57:52 --> 57:55 you know, that's scary, you know. Um,
57:56 --> 57:59 you know, so we're, you know, we're in a situation now—
57:59 --> 58:03 we've been talking about the Jetsons for years now, right?
58:04 --> 58:08 So, you know, finally, every year we say, oh, we're finally
58:09 --> 58:12 in the Jetson age, or we're getting closer and closer to it. Well, we,
58:12 --> 58:16 we are definitely just about there now. You know, and according
58:16 --> 58:19 to, according to what we saw in that cartoon.
58:21 --> 58:24 And but are we going to be happy with all of this?
58:26 --> 58:29 And economy-wise, if we're looking at gas right now
58:30 --> 58:32 at $4.29, $4.30,
58:35 --> 58:38 imagine what it's going to be 10 years from now. If— well,
58:38 --> 58:42 they're going to definitely— well, I guess they're going to force everybody everybody to go
58:42 --> 58:46 to it, go electric or, or hybrid. But right
58:46 --> 58:50 now, you know, Tim was up there kidding about how he just charged his car
58:50 --> 58:53 up a couple days ago, um, because he
58:53 --> 58:56 has an electric vehicle and it only costs
58:57 --> 59:00 $8.29. Oh, for electric full tank?
59:01 --> 59:03 Yep, for full charge. Yes.
59:05 --> 59:08 And I said, yeah, I said you might well enjoy it now
59:08 --> 59:12 because as soon as they figure out a way to regulate that
59:13 --> 59:17 those prices probably go up to what the gas prices are,
59:18 --> 59:21 you know. Um, and especially if they start
59:22 --> 59:25 pushing everybody towards electrical— electric vehicles, you know.
59:26 --> 59:29 Yeah. So, um, so I just,
59:29 --> 59:32 I just feel that, yeah, I think we're better now than
59:33 --> 59:37 we are going to be because I don't see anything changing. I don't think
59:37 --> 59:40 we're gonna— they're gonna— we're gonna be making more money Um,
59:41 --> 59:45 I don't think that we're gonna have more advantages
59:45 --> 59:49 than we have now because I think there's going to be more people
59:49 --> 59:52 unemployed in 10 years than it is now. Yeah.
59:53 --> 59:57 You know, yeah, everybody out there
59:57 --> 01:00:00 DoorDashing, you know, we already know AI are
01:00:01 --> 01:00:04 taking people's jobs. So yeah, we already know that. We already know.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:06 So I, I think the job market is going to get to a period where
01:00:07 --> 01:00:10 if you're not building maintaining or servicing
01:00:10 --> 01:00:13 AI, you might not have a job.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:18 Look, we can, we can talk about— they keep playing the movie
01:00:19 --> 01:00:22 I, Robot on TV. I don't think it's a coincidence that they keep playing
01:00:22 --> 01:00:26 it. I think that, you know, subliminally they're
01:00:27 --> 01:00:30 trying to tell us something, and you better wake up and pay attention,
01:00:31 --> 01:00:35 right? Yeah. So Um,
01:00:35 --> 01:00:39 you guys, you heard that, you heard Dave's point of the day. Tell me what
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01:00:48 --> 01:00:52 AI or the economy versus
01:00:52 --> 01:00:55 now. I mean, 10 years. Uh, well,
01:00:55 --> 01:00:59 now versus 10 years from now and also technology
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01:02:19 --> 01:02:23 this for 6 years now, almost 6 years now. So So,
01:02:24 --> 01:02:27 um, so thank you. Anything you want to add?
01:02:27 --> 01:02:30 Uh, you want to plug the culture check there, sir? Yeah,
01:02:30 --> 01:02:34 Dave, look, look how you just try to bypass the— I
01:02:34 --> 01:02:37 would never— News and Trends with Dave and Lynn culture check
01:02:37 --> 01:02:39 question of the day.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:44 Are, are you ready? I thought you forgot, man. Okay, all right,
01:02:44 --> 01:02:47 I got last week. Let's see if I get this week. Okay.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:48 All right, David.
01:02:50 --> 01:02:54 Which HBCU is
01:02:54 --> 01:02:58 the alma mater of NBA
01:02:58 --> 01:03:02 Hall of Famer Earl the Pearl Monroe?
01:03:05 --> 01:03:06 Do you need multiple choice?
01:03:08 --> 01:03:12 Uh, Winston-Salem. Oh, you think you slick,
01:03:12 --> 01:03:15 huh? You think you are slick.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:19 And I'll always— you know how I always know that?
01:03:21 --> 01:03:24 There's a Delaware tie. You know what the Delaware tie
01:03:25 --> 01:03:29 is? I, I do not. Who is
01:03:29 --> 01:03:31 our senator? Chris Coons.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:35 Well, the other one. Oh, Lisa Blunt Rochester.
01:03:35 --> 01:03:39 Her father played on the same team as Earl the Pearl. Oh dude,
01:03:40 --> 01:03:42 he was— okay, matter of fact,
01:03:43 --> 01:03:47 they were very close and, um Um, he's— Earl
01:03:48 --> 01:03:51 the Pearl was his mentor. Wow. Yeah.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:54 And you know what I think? Who— you know who else was on, um,
01:03:55 --> 01:03:56 who also played there? Stephen A. Smith.
01:03:58 --> 01:04:01 During the same time frame or just— yeah, he came in, he was a little
01:04:02 --> 01:04:04 bit younger than that. He was younger, but he came in a little later.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:07 But he actually played at Winston-Salem. Oh wow.
01:04:08 --> 01:04:11 Yeah. Um, but I learned something new every day. Yeah,
01:04:11 --> 01:04:15 see, there's your culture check. Okay. Say, thought you had
01:04:16 --> 01:04:19 me that time, didn't you? I, I, I, I, I did,
01:04:19 --> 01:04:22 because I was like, oh, he, he ain't— he ain't— he thinks he's a sports
01:04:22 --> 01:04:24 guy, but he ain't never gonna get this.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:29 Yeah, I'm surprised you ain't talk about your Eagles.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:33 But I know, time to wrap on up. I know, I know. We'll see
01:04:33 --> 01:04:37 you next time, man. Look, look, look. Oh wait, hold on, you supposed to
01:04:37 --> 01:04:40 be an Eagle fan too. I guess you're, you're the quasi-Eagle fan. Well,
01:04:41 --> 01:04:44 considering they almost lost the game on Sunday, that was a close— that
01:04:44 --> 01:04:48 was a close win. But yeah, it was 2-0 right now and the only 2-0
01:04:49 --> 01:04:52 team in the division. So let's keep it going. So, but let's go,
01:04:52 --> 01:04:56 let's go Birds! That's— they got Chicago on Monday night.
01:04:56 --> 01:05:00 Let's see what happens. Okay. All right, all right, all right, guys.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:03 We want to thank you again for taking the time to listen to News
01:05:03 --> 01:05:07 and Trends with Dave and Len and We will talk to you
01:05:07 --> 01:05:12 next Tuesday. Have a great night.
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