What does SAG-AFTRA Atlanta President Karen Ceesay want every actor to understand about today's entertainment industry?
In this powerful episode of The Demia Avery Show – The Industry, Demia Avery sits down with Karen Ceesay, President of SAG-AFTRA Atlanta, for an honest and inspiring conversation about the actor's journey, the role of SAG-AFTRA, protecting performers, building a sustainable career, and the mindset actors need to succeed.
Whether you're just getting started or you're a seasoned performer, this interview is packed with valuable insight that can help you better understand the business side of acting.
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• What SAG-AFTRA really does for actors
• How performers can better prepare for opportunities
• Career advice from one of Atlanta's most respected industry leaders
• Lessons Karen has learned throughout her incredible career
• Fun rapid-fire questions to get to know Karen beyond the industry
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00:00:31 --> 00:00:33 >> Hello everyone. This is Demetria Avery
00:00:34 --> 00:00:36 and listen, this is the Demetria Avery
00:00:36 --> 00:00:40 show and today's guest I I am so excited
00:00:40 --> 00:00:42 you guys. So I made sure that I have my
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00:00:47 --> 00:00:48 we're going to make sure that we give
00:00:48 --> 00:00:51 her a proper intro. Today's guest is
00:00:51 --> 00:00:53 someone who truly understands this
00:00:53 --> 00:00:55 industry from every angle. She's built
00:00:55 --> 00:00:57 an incredible career as an actor
00:00:57 --> 00:00:59 appearing in hit series like Stranger
00:00:59 --> 00:01:02 Things and The Walking Dead while also
00:01:02 --> 00:01:04 making her mark as a writer, producer,
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00:01:07 --> 00:01:09 far beyond the screen. Today she serves
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00:01:16 --> 00:01:18 the region. Whether you're just starting
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00:01:20 --> 00:01:22 building your career, today's
00:01:22 --> 00:01:24 conversation is packed with insight you
00:01:24 --> 00:01:27 don't want to miss. Please join me in
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00:01:30 --> 00:01:32 C. say. Welcome.
00:01:32 --> 00:01:33 >> Oh, what a wonderful introduction. I
00:01:33 --> 00:01:36 mean take you everywhere with me.
00:01:36 --> 00:01:37 >> [laughter]
00:01:37 --> 00:01:39 >> Thank you so much for joining today. I I
00:01:39 --> 00:01:42 know we have so many people here that's
00:01:42 --> 00:01:44 going to enjoy everything that we talk
00:01:44 --> 00:01:47 about today. So I'm going to start off
00:01:47 --> 00:01:49 with I know a lot of people may not
00:01:49 --> 00:01:52 know. And you've built such an
00:01:52 --> 00:01:56 incredible career as an actor while also
00:01:56 --> 00:01:58 serving as president of SAG-AFTRA
00:01:58 --> 00:02:01 Atlanta. When you look back at your
00:02:01 --> 00:02:04 career and you see that little girl who
00:02:04 --> 00:02:06 started performing at 10 years old, what
00:02:06 --> 00:02:09 would you what would you think she'd say
00:02:09 --> 00:02:12 um if you she could see you today?
00:02:12 --> 00:02:13 >> I think and this is one of the things
00:02:13 --> 00:02:15 cuz I have to check me and my friends
00:02:15 --> 00:02:18 too. Like when we be like I you know
00:02:18 --> 00:02:19 we're in an industry that we're always
00:02:19 --> 00:02:21 focused on where we think we should be
00:02:21 --> 00:02:22 >> Yeah.
00:02:22 --> 00:02:24 >> and we lose sight of where we've come
00:02:24 --> 00:02:26 from a lot of times focusing so much on
00:02:26 --> 00:02:27 I should be here, I should be getting
00:02:28 --> 00:02:29 these roles, I should be having these
00:02:29 --> 00:02:32 credits. But I think little me would be
00:02:32 --> 00:02:34 impressed. I think she would. You know,
00:02:34 --> 00:02:36 I do.
00:02:36 --> 00:02:37 >> I love that.
00:02:37 --> 00:02:38 >> She thought I would have a lot more
00:02:38 --> 00:02:42 money but aside from that like I think
00:02:42 --> 00:02:43 she'd be impressed.
00:02:43 --> 00:02:44 >> [laughter]
00:02:44 --> 00:02:45 >> Well, okay. So, let's start at the
00:02:46 --> 00:02:48 beginning. For someone who's just
00:02:48 --> 00:02:50 getting into acting
00:02:50 --> 00:02:51 So, we're going to start off with the
00:02:51 --> 00:02:55 SAG-AFTRA thing first. And why should
00:02:55 --> 00:02:58 every actor understand
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00:02:59 --> 00:03:01 what SAG does? Even if you're not
00:03:01 --> 00:03:03 eligible eligible to join yet, what do
00:03:03 --> 00:03:06 you think every actor should know?
00:03:06 --> 00:03:08 >> The main thing about being part of
00:03:08 --> 00:03:12 SAG-AFTRA is protections. You know,
00:03:12 --> 00:03:14 um we protect your image. We protect
00:03:14 --> 00:03:17 make sure that you have a safe working
00:03:17 --> 00:03:19 environment. We um you can contribute to
00:03:19 --> 00:03:22 healthcare and pension. Um we protect
00:03:23 --> 00:03:24 the amount of time someone can use your
00:03:24 --> 00:03:27 image. Now with AI, you know, a lot of
00:03:27 --> 00:03:29 these non-union jobs you're doing yeah,
00:03:29 --> 00:03:31 you might get paid good on this vertical
00:03:31 --> 00:03:32 but where's your image going? Where's
00:03:32 --> 00:03:36 your voice being used? Um I had a friend
00:03:36 --> 00:03:39 of mine just recently sent me this text
00:03:39 --> 00:03:41 and was just like oh my god, is this you
00:03:41 --> 00:03:43 and um your son? And I'm looking at it.
00:03:43 --> 00:03:46 She's at some event like a healthcare
00:03:46 --> 00:03:49 conference. It is from a job that I did
00:03:49 --> 00:03:51 with my son when he was four years old.
00:03:51 --> 00:03:55 He 21 now and they are still using that.
00:03:55 --> 00:03:55 >> Yeah.
00:03:56 --> 00:03:58 >> I have no protections because it was
00:03:58 --> 00:03:59 non-union.
00:03:59 --> 00:04:00 You know what I'm saying? So
00:04:00 --> 00:04:01 >> Crazy. Yeah.
00:04:01 --> 00:04:03 >> caught up in the right here, right now
00:04:03 --> 00:04:07 and with work being so slow right now,
00:04:07 --> 00:04:09 there's a lot of conversation about
00:04:09 --> 00:04:11 should I join the union, should I stay
00:04:11 --> 00:04:14 in the union? Um and those are kind of
00:04:14 --> 00:04:16 two different responses. I would say for
00:04:16 --> 00:04:20 people looking to join, I would say hold
00:04:20 --> 00:04:23 off until, you know, you are like
00:04:23 --> 00:04:26 working all the time because right now
00:04:26 --> 00:04:28 our current members are not working a
00:04:28 --> 00:04:32 lot and having a hard time making dues
00:04:32 --> 00:04:34 and and doing whatever. So I think
00:04:34 --> 00:04:37 you want to hold tight a little bit, but
00:04:37 --> 00:04:40 study study what the rules are regarding
00:04:40 --> 00:04:42 um with SAG-AFTRA sets and maybe before
00:04:42 --> 00:04:44 you sign a contract, you could cross
00:04:44 --> 00:04:46 some things out and be like, um
00:04:46 --> 00:04:49 no, you can only use this for 2 years.
00:04:49 --> 00:04:50 You can only You can't use this in
00:04:50 --> 00:04:54 perpetuity. You know what I mean? So
00:04:54 --> 00:04:56 but for people that are in the union, I
00:04:56 --> 00:04:59 say stay because
00:04:59 --> 00:05:02 again, it's protections and right now
00:05:02 --> 00:05:05 you know, the power of the union is that
00:05:05 --> 00:05:07 we we combine strength. We, you know,
00:05:07 --> 00:05:09 they they talk about a fist is strong,
00:05:09 --> 00:05:11 but individual fingers are just, you
00:05:11 --> 00:05:14 know, by themselves. Whereas a fist,
00:05:14 --> 00:05:17 that's what we are. We're the fist. Um
00:05:17 --> 00:05:18 and we make sure that you're safe. We
00:05:18 --> 00:05:21 make sure that you, you know, get what
00:05:21 --> 00:05:22 is promised to you. If people don't pay
00:05:23 --> 00:05:25 it enough time, you get back pay, you
00:05:25 --> 00:05:28 know? So that is the power of the union.
00:05:28 --> 00:05:28 >> Okay.
00:05:28 --> 00:05:29 >> Amongst other things.
00:05:29 --> 00:05:32 >> Yeah. So I'm glad you say that that you
00:05:32 --> 00:05:34 said amongst other things. What do you
00:05:34 --> 00:05:37 think are some of the the myths or the
00:05:37 --> 00:05:39 the like the misconceptions of what
00:05:39 --> 00:05:41 SAG-AFTRA does?
00:05:41 --> 00:05:43 >> I mean, you know what? I've seen so many
00:05:43 --> 00:05:44 things
00:05:44 --> 00:05:47 online. I mean, and then you get to I
00:05:47 --> 00:05:49 mean, unions are made up of people.
00:05:49 --> 00:05:49 >> Mhm.
00:05:49 --> 00:05:52 >> Right? And people are human.
00:05:52 --> 00:05:52 >> Mhm.
00:05:52 --> 00:05:54 >> So, there may be certain things that
00:05:54 --> 00:05:58 certain humans do or things that have to
00:05:58 --> 00:06:00 operate We're in a right-to-work state,
00:06:00 --> 00:06:02 so we operate differently than LA and
00:06:02 --> 00:06:04 New York and some of the other markets
00:06:04 --> 00:06:05 that are union.
00:06:05 --> 00:06:06 >> Yeah.
00:06:06 --> 00:06:08 >> Um so, I think there's a lot of
00:06:08 --> 00:06:10 misconception into how right-to-work
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00:06:13 --> 00:06:16 what SAG-AFTRA really has power over.
00:06:16 --> 00:06:20 Like, we can't force the rate Now, we
00:06:20 --> 00:06:23 just um we just got a raise on our daily
00:06:23 --> 00:06:25 rates and everything regarding this new
00:06:25 --> 00:06:26 contract and everything.
00:06:26 --> 00:06:27 >> Okay.
00:06:27 --> 00:06:29 >> But, we can only enforce what the
00:06:29 --> 00:06:31 current rules are.
00:06:31 --> 00:06:31 >> Mhm.
00:06:31 --> 00:06:32 >> You know? And a lot of times, people are
00:06:32 --> 00:06:34 like, "SAG should be doing this.
00:06:34 --> 00:06:35 SAG-AFTRA should be doing this." And
00:06:35 --> 00:06:37 it's just like, that's not what we do.
00:06:37 --> 00:06:38 We These are the rules that we've
00:06:39 --> 00:06:41 established, that we've negotiated with
00:06:41 --> 00:06:43 the studios.
00:06:43 --> 00:06:43 >> Mhm.
00:06:43 --> 00:06:46 >> This is what we can enforce, you know?
00:06:46 --> 00:06:46 >> Mhm.
00:06:46 --> 00:06:48 >> The other thing, and I'm, you know, I
00:06:48 --> 00:06:50 don't know if this is just cuz I'm a mom
00:06:50 --> 00:06:52 and I'm doing check, folks, but a lot of
00:06:53 --> 00:06:55 times, people want us to fight for them,
00:06:55 --> 00:06:56 and they're not willing to fight for
00:06:56 --> 00:06:57 themselves.
00:06:57 --> 00:06:58 >> There you go.
00:06:58 --> 00:06:59 >> Like,
00:06:59 --> 00:07:02 you [snorts] know, we have a a rule for
00:07:02 --> 00:07:04 casting. You're supposed to get at least
00:07:04 --> 00:07:06 48 hours for a turnaround to submit your
00:07:06 --> 00:07:08 audition. And the weekends don't count.
00:07:08 --> 00:07:09 So, if someone gives you something on
00:07:09 --> 00:07:11 Friday, it's not due till Tuesday.
00:07:11 --> 00:07:12 >> Right.
00:07:12 --> 00:07:13 >> But, a lot of times, you know, there are
00:07:13 --> 00:07:17 different things that come up that um
00:07:17 --> 00:07:20 you know, make it so that you don't get
00:07:20 --> 00:07:22 that 48 hours.
00:07:22 --> 00:07:23 >> Mhm.
00:07:23 --> 00:07:26 >> But, if it's not falling into the rules,
00:07:26 --> 00:07:27 people will complain to us, and it's
00:07:27 --> 00:07:29 just like, "Well, did you talk to your
00:07:29 --> 00:07:31 agent?" "Did your agent talk to the
00:07:31 --> 00:07:32 casting director to see if you can get
00:07:33 --> 00:07:34 an extension?"
00:07:34 --> 00:07:34 >> Right.
00:07:34 --> 00:07:37 >> "Did you file properly?" But, this I'll
00:07:37 --> 00:07:38 have people calling me, and I'm like,
00:07:38 --> 00:07:39 "What do you want me to do?"
00:07:39 --> 00:07:41 Like,
00:07:41 --> 00:07:41 >> Yeah.
00:07:41 --> 00:07:42 >> "Well, my agent wasn't doing this."
00:07:42 --> 00:07:43 Well, sounds like you got a problem with
00:07:43 --> 00:07:45 your agent.
00:07:45 --> 00:07:46 Right, you know?
00:07:46 --> 00:07:48 >> Right. Well, speaking of that, the say
00:07:48 --> 00:07:52 say for example, okay, if I am
00:07:52 --> 00:07:53 um
00:07:53 --> 00:07:56 an actor, and if every actor had to
00:07:56 --> 00:08:00 attend a 5-minute SAG-AFTRA
00:08:00 --> 00:08:02 orientation
00:08:02 --> 00:08:04 before they become eligible, what do you
00:08:04 --> 00:08:06 think they should walk away with?
00:08:06 --> 00:08:07 Because
00:08:07 --> 00:08:10 uh you know, I feel like there should be
00:08:10 --> 00:08:13 some type of education,
00:08:13 --> 00:08:14 um
00:08:14 --> 00:08:16 anyways, it I feel like the orientation
00:08:17 --> 00:08:18 should happen in some kind of way. It
00:08:18 --> 00:08:20 doesn't necessarily have to come from
00:08:20 --> 00:08:23 SAG-AFTRA, but maybe some something
00:08:23 --> 00:08:25 through the the talent agent or you
00:08:25 --> 00:08:27 know, just the basics. What do you
00:08:27 --> 00:08:28 think?
00:08:28 --> 00:08:30 >> Well, funny you should say that. We do
00:08:30 --> 00:08:32 um we have conservatory, which are
00:08:32 --> 00:08:34 monthly classes for our members that are
00:08:34 --> 00:08:37 free to our members. But, um usually
00:08:37 --> 00:08:39 every year or every other year, we have
00:08:39 --> 00:08:41 an agent panel, and we open it up to
00:08:42 --> 00:08:43 pre-members. We call them pre-members,
00:08:43 --> 00:08:46 not non-members. Um and we open it up,
00:08:46 --> 00:08:48 and we usually have a very
00:08:48 --> 00:08:50 big turnout. So, we'll talk about the
00:08:50 --> 00:08:52 industry a little bit, and you'll get a
00:08:52 --> 00:08:54 little information. We also have
00:08:54 --> 00:08:56 presence at different film festivals.
00:08:56 --> 00:08:58 We'll set up We were out at um Atlanta
00:08:58 --> 00:08:59 Film Festival. We're working to be at
00:08:59 --> 00:09:03 other festivals in Georgia. Um
00:09:03 --> 00:09:04 and I mean, you can always call the
00:09:04 --> 00:09:07 office. Like, we've got staff. We've got
00:09:07 --> 00:09:09 a website. We've got all of these
00:09:09 --> 00:09:12 things. And what happens is so many
00:09:12 --> 00:09:14 people want to put the onus on other
00:09:14 --> 00:09:16 people to educate them about this
00:09:16 --> 00:09:18 business. Everything you need to know is
00:09:18 --> 00:09:20 online, and now we got AI. So, you just
00:09:20 --> 00:09:22 type it into the machine.
00:09:22 --> 00:09:23 >> [laughter]
00:09:23 --> 00:09:24 >> Say, "What do I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT
00:09:24 --> 00:09:26 THIS?" AND IT'LL TELL YOU. NOW, you need
00:09:26 --> 00:09:27 to double-check if you look at AI, cuz
00:09:27 --> 00:09:29 we know that sometimes they're wrong.
00:09:29 --> 00:09:30 But,
00:09:30 --> 00:09:32 it's a wealth of information out there.
00:09:32 --> 00:09:34 You can't be like, "Oh, I didn't know
00:09:34 --> 00:09:35 this. I didn't know that." Well, that's
00:09:35 --> 00:09:37 on you, cuz this is your image. This is
00:09:37 --> 00:09:40 your business. This is your career. And
00:09:40 --> 00:09:42 you have to be the one who's most
00:09:42 --> 00:09:45 invested in knowing what to do.
00:09:45 --> 00:09:47 >> Yeah. And I heard you mention a little
00:09:47 --> 00:09:51 bit about the industry being slow right
00:09:51 --> 00:09:53 now, but what are some of the positives?
00:09:53 --> 00:09:55 I guess cuz I'm always trying to, you
00:09:55 --> 00:09:57 know, I know that the industry has ebbs
00:09:57 --> 00:10:00 and flows. So, what are some of the
00:10:00 --> 00:10:02 positive things that we could be doing
00:10:02 --> 00:10:04 right or that as far as actors are
00:10:04 --> 00:10:06 concerned that they could be doing right
00:10:06 --> 00:10:08 now while the industry may be slow right
00:10:08 --> 00:10:10 now? What do you think?
00:10:10 --> 00:10:11 >> It's so funny cuz you know, Iyanla
00:10:11 --> 00:10:13 Vanzant has a book. I bought it many,
00:10:13 --> 00:10:15 many decades ago called Value in the
00:10:15 --> 00:10:17 Valley, right? And it's like when you're
00:10:17 --> 00:10:19 at your low, what is lesson that you're
00:10:19 --> 00:10:22 supposed to be learning, right? And so,
00:10:22 --> 00:10:24 right now, I mean, a number of people
00:10:24 --> 00:10:26 have had to get full-time jobs, had to
00:10:26 --> 00:10:28 get, um, you know, we got you know, I'm
00:10:28 --> 00:10:31 driving Uber. You know, we got people
00:10:31 --> 00:10:32 working at Costco, working at Trader
00:10:32 --> 00:10:33 Joe's cuz they got good, um, health
00:10:33 --> 00:10:35 benefits and everything.
00:10:35 --> 00:10:35 >> Yeah.
00:10:35 --> 00:10:37 >> Um, it's time for you to write your
00:10:37 --> 00:10:39 project. It's time for you to learn
00:10:39 --> 00:10:41 other aspects of this industry. It's
00:10:41 --> 00:10:43 time for you to learn other aspects of
00:10:43 --> 00:10:45 yourself. It's time for you to spend
00:10:45 --> 00:10:47 time with your family. It's time for you
00:10:47 --> 00:10:50 to, you know, paint that room, build
00:10:50 --> 00:10:52 that bookcase, you know what I mean?
00:10:52 --> 00:10:54 Learn how to crochet. It's time for you
00:10:54 --> 00:10:57 to do other things because what makes an
00:10:57 --> 00:10:59 actor valuable
00:10:59 --> 00:11:00 is a wealth of information and what you
00:11:00 --> 00:11:02 bring to the role. So, the more
00:11:02 --> 00:11:05 developed you are as a person,
00:11:05 --> 00:11:05 >> Right.
00:11:05 --> 00:11:07 >> you have to offer
00:11:07 --> 00:11:09 as an actor, you know? It's time to take
00:11:09 --> 00:11:11 that dance class. It's time to, you
00:11:11 --> 00:11:14 know, paint. It's time to do whatever.
00:11:14 --> 00:11:15 Um, you know, and, you know, find
00:11:16 --> 00:11:17 another way to make money.
00:11:17 --> 00:11:18 >> But you know
00:11:18 --> 00:11:20 and I'm glad you said that and you said
00:11:20 --> 00:11:22 all the different things that people put
00:11:22 --> 00:11:25 or should be doing and I'm like, okay.
00:11:25 --> 00:11:28 So, if I were an actor, which I'm not,
00:11:28 --> 00:11:30 but I would be like, okay, so I'm I'm to
00:11:30 --> 00:11:32 take this time. Maybe I want to in the
00:11:33 --> 00:11:36 future audition for some roles that is
00:11:36 --> 00:11:38 stunt doubling or or or something like
00:11:38 --> 00:11:41 that and maybe kind of hone my skills to
00:11:41 --> 00:11:43 something that I probably wouldn't have
00:11:43 --> 00:11:45 had time for. It Do you think that would
00:11:45 --> 00:11:47 be a good idea as well?
00:11:47 --> 00:11:49 >> Of course. It's a fab- I mean, you know,
00:11:49 --> 00:11:51 it's always a good time to educate
00:11:51 --> 00:11:53 yourself and learn a new skill and learn
00:11:53 --> 00:11:55 something else. I mean, again, just as
00:11:55 --> 00:11:56 human beings, we're supposed to be
00:11:56 --> 00:11:58 adaptable. We're supposed to learn. I
00:11:59 --> 00:12:01 mean, I'm in my 50s and I'm like, "Gosh,
00:12:01 --> 00:12:02 I thought
00:12:02 --> 00:12:04 I would have a better look by now." And
00:12:04 --> 00:12:06 it's like,
00:12:06 --> 00:12:08 "Okay, so I got to learn something new."
00:12:08 --> 00:12:08 >> Yeah.
00:12:08 --> 00:12:10 >> You know, and and it's going to be
00:12:10 --> 00:12:12 different for every person. You know,
00:12:12 --> 00:12:13 there's people that have become
00:12:13 --> 00:12:15 menopause coaches. There are people that
00:12:15 --> 00:12:16 have become speakers. There are people
00:12:16 --> 00:12:18 that have done all types of different
00:12:18 --> 00:12:19 things. We have one of our board
00:12:19 --> 00:12:23 members, he owns barber shops. So, he's,
00:12:23 --> 00:12:24 you know, cutting hair and and he's been
00:12:24 --> 00:12:26 doing that that's been his business, but
00:12:26 --> 00:12:28 it allows him to be able to be an actor
00:12:28 --> 00:12:30 when he wants to be, but still have this
00:12:30 --> 00:12:32 other skill that is another career path
00:12:32 --> 00:12:35 for him. I mean, you look at even
00:12:35 --> 00:12:36 stars,
00:12:36 --> 00:12:37 >> Mhm.
00:12:37 --> 00:12:39 >> they're not just actors. You know, they
00:12:39 --> 00:12:40 got hair care lines. They've got
00:12:40 --> 00:12:43 clothing lines. They got vodka labels.
00:12:43 --> 00:12:44 They've got all of these different
00:12:44 --> 00:12:46 things of different ways to make money
00:12:46 --> 00:12:48 and different ways to add value to the
00:12:48 --> 00:12:48 community.
00:12:49 --> 00:12:51 >> Yeah. And I'm glad you also touched on
00:12:51 --> 00:12:54 and something something that you said
00:12:54 --> 00:12:57 that it's not just affecting the actor.
00:12:57 --> 00:13:00 It's affecting everybody right now.
00:13:00 --> 00:13:00 >> Yeah.
00:13:00 --> 00:13:03 >> You know, so I I I love that you kind of
00:13:03 --> 00:13:06 you touched on that as well. Now,
00:13:06 --> 00:13:10 as far as SAG, what are some benefits
00:13:10 --> 00:13:13 that or resources that you wish more
00:13:13 --> 00:13:15 members would take advantage of?
00:13:15 --> 00:13:17 >> Definitely conservatory, um because
00:13:17 --> 00:13:20 those are free classes. Um we offer a
00:13:20 --> 00:13:21 lot of um
00:13:21 --> 00:13:23 it's been interesting because I came on
00:13:24 --> 00:13:26 board last year and I'll say this is
00:13:26 --> 00:13:28 probably the first just like
00:13:28 --> 00:13:31 free year, right? You know, in the last
00:13:31 --> 00:13:34 5 years because you had the pandemic
00:13:34 --> 00:13:36 where we couldn't do anything in person,
00:13:36 --> 00:13:37 and then we had the strikes where we
00:13:37 --> 00:13:40 couldn't do anything. So,
00:13:41 --> 00:13:42 and now we're dealing with a lot of
00:13:42 --> 00:13:45 people that feel kind of jaded as far as
00:13:45 --> 00:13:47 with the industry. So, it's hard to get
00:13:47 --> 00:13:48 people motivated, and I think that's
00:13:48 --> 00:13:51 kind of a a feeling that people are
00:13:51 --> 00:13:53 feeling across the country throughout
00:13:53 --> 00:13:55 various careers and industries. But,
00:13:55 --> 00:13:57 it's just
00:13:57 --> 00:13:59 we've been online, we've been separated
00:13:59 --> 00:14:01 from each other. It's time to get out,
00:14:01 --> 00:14:04 get into the community, talk to people.
00:14:04 --> 00:14:06 Nobody, I mean, your mom could support
00:14:06 --> 00:14:07 you, but she doesn't understand how this
00:14:07 --> 00:14:10 beast works. She doesn't get it. Other
00:14:10 --> 00:14:11 actors get it. You need to surround
00:14:11 --> 00:14:13 yourself with other people that get it.
00:14:13 --> 00:14:15 Now, we got a lot of energy a lot of
00:14:15 --> 00:14:17 times when you get a room full of
00:14:17 --> 00:14:18 actors, so it could be like
00:14:18 --> 00:14:20 you know,
00:14:20 --> 00:14:22 find your community, find your tribe
00:14:22 --> 00:14:24 within the tribe. You know what I mean?
00:14:24 --> 00:14:26 Find the people who you can connect
00:14:26 --> 00:14:27 with. Are y'all the same age? Are you
00:14:27 --> 00:14:29 the same ethnicity? Are you, you know,
00:14:29 --> 00:14:32 we've got a couple of our um
00:14:32 --> 00:14:33 our board members who just had babies.
00:14:33 --> 00:14:35 You know what I mean? Do you have that?
00:14:35 --> 00:14:37 Because having young children in this
00:14:37 --> 00:14:40 business is a whole 'nother thing. Do
00:14:40 --> 00:14:42 you need to find that community? Um so,
00:14:42 --> 00:14:44 that's where I wish people took more
00:14:44 --> 00:14:47 advantage of other actors and being a
00:14:47 --> 00:14:49 part of people who are professional and
00:14:49 --> 00:14:52 who have committed their selves to this
00:14:52 --> 00:14:53 industry, this career,
00:14:53 --> 00:14:55 and
00:14:55 --> 00:14:58 find that find that real community.
00:14:58 --> 00:15:01 >> Yeah. Yeah, and you know what I was also
00:15:01 --> 00:15:02 thinking
00:15:02 --> 00:15:05 um that
00:15:05 --> 00:15:07 when I was thinking of SAG, when we even
00:15:07 --> 00:15:09 before, you know, I came on here and I
00:15:09 --> 00:15:11 was like, I I get a lot of questions
00:15:11 --> 00:15:14 from from different actors. And one of
00:15:14 --> 00:15:17 the things that they always say is, you
00:15:17 --> 00:15:20 know, SAG has so many rules and
00:15:20 --> 00:15:23 restrictions and things like that. But
00:15:23 --> 00:15:25 instead of them thinking as
00:15:25 --> 00:15:27 restrictions,
00:15:27 --> 00:15:29 how can we turn this into a positive?
00:15:29 --> 00:15:31 How should actors really view them? Cuz
00:15:31 --> 00:15:34 I view it as well, they're protecting
00:15:34 --> 00:15:37 you, you know? So,
00:15:37 --> 00:15:37 >> [laughter]
00:15:37 --> 00:15:39 >> They're protections.
00:15:39 --> 00:15:39 >> Right.
00:15:39 --> 00:15:40 >> It's protections.
00:15:40 --> 00:15:41 >> Mhm.
00:15:41 --> 00:15:43 >> I mean, I've been, you know, before I
00:15:43 --> 00:15:44 joined the union, I've shown up on set
00:15:44 --> 00:15:45 and be like, "Oh, yeah, by the way,
00:15:45 --> 00:15:48 there's a nudity scene." What?
00:15:48 --> 00:15:48 Mhm.
00:15:48 --> 00:15:49 >> What?
00:15:49 --> 00:15:49 >> Yeah.
00:15:49 --> 00:15:51 >> Oh, yeah, by the way, we're doing this
00:15:51 --> 00:15:53 sex simulated scene.
00:15:53 --> 00:15:53 >> Mhm.
00:15:53 --> 00:15:54 >> And you're going to be up under these
00:15:54 --> 00:15:56 covers with this guy. His name is Brad.
00:15:56 --> 00:15:58 Here he is.
00:15:58 --> 00:15:59 >> [laughter]
00:15:59 --> 00:16:00 >> Right. Right.
00:16:00 --> 00:16:01 >> Okay, we're going to have you climbing
00:16:02 --> 00:16:03 up this ladder.
00:16:03 --> 00:16:04 >> Mhm.
00:16:04 --> 00:16:05 >> What?
00:16:05 --> 00:16:08 We're going to keep you 12 hours. We're
00:16:08 --> 00:16:10 going to take a child and put them in a
00:16:10 --> 00:16:12 situation that a child is not supposed
00:16:12 --> 00:16:13 to be in.
00:16:13 --> 00:16:14 >> Yeah.
00:16:14 --> 00:16:14 Yeah.
00:16:14 --> 00:16:15 >> You know?
00:16:15 --> 00:16:16 >> Mhm.
00:16:16 --> 00:16:17 >> We're going to We're going to withhold
00:16:17 --> 00:16:19 your payment cuz we didn't get paid. So,
00:16:19 --> 00:16:21 you're not going to get paid and it's 6
00:16:21 --> 00:16:22 months now and you still haven't gotten
00:16:22 --> 00:16:25 paid. Okay? Guess who about to get that
00:16:25 --> 00:16:26 check.
00:16:26 --> 00:16:26 >> Uh-huh.
00:16:26 --> 00:16:27 >> You know what I mean? Guess who about to
00:16:27 --> 00:16:29 get some money. Oh, you know, you show
00:16:29 --> 00:16:33 up, you got to drive to so-and-so
00:16:33 --> 00:16:35 to to work this job. Okay, well, you
00:16:35 --> 00:16:37 need to pay for my gas.
00:16:37 --> 00:16:37 >> Mhm.
00:16:37 --> 00:16:39 >> You need to pay for me to eat because
00:16:39 --> 00:16:40 I'm not in my house.
00:16:40 --> 00:16:42 >> Mhm. Mhm.
00:16:42 --> 00:16:44 >> So, people can say all that stuff, but
00:16:44 --> 00:16:45 it comes down to protections.
00:16:46 --> 00:16:46 >> Yeah.
00:16:46 --> 00:16:48 >> And the fact remains is that a union
00:16:48 --> 00:16:51 set, you get paid better,
00:16:51 --> 00:16:53 you being treated better.
00:16:53 --> 00:16:54 >> Yeah.
00:16:54 --> 00:16:55 >> I'm supposed to have a room, my own
00:16:55 --> 00:16:56 dressing room.
00:16:56 --> 00:16:57 >> Yeah.
00:16:57 --> 00:16:59 >> So, I'm not changing in front of the
00:16:59 --> 00:17:00 crew.
00:17:00 --> 00:17:01 >> Mhm.
00:17:01 --> 00:17:03 >> I'm supposed to have a meal.
00:17:03 --> 00:17:03 >> Right.
00:17:03 --> 00:17:04 >> You got to feed me. If you don't want me
00:17:04 --> 00:17:06 leaving set
00:17:06 --> 00:17:07 and you're trying to keep me here, then
00:17:07 --> 00:17:09 you need to feed me.
00:17:09 --> 00:17:09 >> Mhm.
00:17:09 --> 00:17:11 >> So, it's all of those things cuz the
00:17:11 --> 00:17:12 fact remains, people can say all this
00:17:12 --> 00:17:14 stuff, but they would rather be on a
00:17:14 --> 00:17:17 protected union set than a non-union
00:17:17 --> 00:17:17 set.
00:17:17 --> 00:17:20 >> Right, so I agree. Yeah, I agree. Now,
00:17:20 --> 00:17:22 without naming any names or anything
00:17:22 --> 00:17:25 like that, is Can you think of a time
00:17:25 --> 00:17:28 that SAG has stepped in and truly made a
00:17:28 --> 00:17:31 difference for a performer or maybe like
00:17:31 --> 00:17:33 a real-life story that that helped an
00:17:33 --> 00:17:36 actor understand the value of the union?
00:17:36 --> 00:17:39 >> Well, one I remember is SAG after we did
00:17:39 --> 00:17:41 merge with AFTRA, so we are SAG-AFTRA
00:17:41 --> 00:17:43 officially. And it was SAG, but now
00:17:43 --> 00:17:45 we're SAG-AFTRA officially.
00:17:45 --> 00:17:45 >> Mhm.
00:17:45 --> 00:17:47 >> But, I mean
00:17:47 --> 00:17:49 I'll say this much again, I was I had
00:17:49 --> 00:17:51 gotten hired on something that shot in
00:17:51 --> 00:17:52 South Carolina.
00:17:52 --> 00:17:53 >> Okay.
00:17:53 --> 00:17:56 >> And after the you know, when we would
00:17:56 --> 00:17:57 get our per diem, you supposed to get it
00:17:57 --> 00:17:59 when you arrive on set in cash.
00:17:59 --> 00:18:00 >> Okay.
00:18:00 --> 00:18:01 >> That's the rule.
00:18:01 --> 00:18:01 >> Mhm.
00:18:01 --> 00:18:04 >> But, after the pandemic, production
00:18:04 --> 00:18:06 companies started changing it. It never
00:18:06 --> 00:18:09 officially changed in the contracts.
00:18:09 --> 00:18:09 >> Mhm.
00:18:09 --> 00:18:11 >> But, they'd be like, "Oh, we're just
00:18:11 --> 00:18:13 going to pay you in your check." No, I
00:18:13 --> 00:18:15 need to eat today.
00:18:15 --> 00:18:17 I need gas in my car to drive back.
00:18:17 --> 00:18:18 >> Mhm.
00:18:18 --> 00:18:20 >> Cuz you know we always scraping to get
00:18:20 --> 00:18:21 by in this industry.
00:18:21 --> 00:18:22 >> Yeah.
00:18:22 --> 00:18:25 >> And it came down to, okay
00:18:25 --> 00:18:27 we're going to write You know, I'm like,
00:18:27 --> 00:18:29 how do some accountants in South
00:18:29 --> 00:18:30 Carolina
00:18:30 --> 00:18:33 decide whether or not they will uphold
00:18:33 --> 00:18:35 union rules? So, we had to get the
00:18:35 --> 00:18:37 executive The executive director at the
00:18:37 --> 00:18:38 time wrote a letter.
00:18:38 --> 00:18:39 >> Mhm.
00:18:39 --> 00:18:41 >> And she wrote a letter, and guess who
00:18:41 --> 00:18:42 had their money when they showed up when
00:18:42 --> 00:18:43 they showed up on set?
00:18:43 --> 00:18:44 >> There you go.
00:18:44 --> 00:18:46 >> And see, that's another thing where I
00:18:46 --> 00:18:48 took it to that level. Too many actors
00:18:49 --> 00:18:50 will be like, "Well, they're not paying
00:18:50 --> 00:18:52 us, so
00:18:52 --> 00:18:53 >> Mhm.
00:18:53 --> 00:18:54 Mhm.
00:18:54 --> 00:18:56 Wow. You know Yeah.
00:18:56 --> 00:18:58 >> when when uh people are late with
00:18:58 --> 00:19:00 payments, that's a big thing, the
00:19:00 --> 00:19:02 payments. Being late with the payments.
00:19:02 --> 00:19:06 >> And I was on a job one time, and a big
00:19:06 --> 00:19:07 job.
00:19:07 --> 00:19:08 >> Okay.
00:19:08 --> 00:19:09 >> And they were like a month late with the
00:19:09 --> 00:19:11 pay. And I'm like, "Where's my money?"
00:19:11 --> 00:19:12 I'm asking the other people that were in
00:19:12 --> 00:19:14 the scene, "Did you get paid? Did you
00:19:14 --> 00:19:15 get paid?" No, I didn't. I'm like,
00:19:15 --> 00:19:16 "Well, I'm complaining." "Well, I'm not
00:19:16 --> 00:19:18 going to say anything."
00:19:18 --> 00:19:19 Why you not going to say nothing?
00:19:19 --> 00:19:21 >> BUT YOU SHOULD, RIGHT.
00:19:21 --> 00:19:24 >> WELL, I DON'T Go to find out, they had
00:19:24 --> 00:19:26 some new accounting system. Everybody's
00:19:26 --> 00:19:28 checks were late. But now, everybody
00:19:28 --> 00:19:31 gets back fit back pay. I got A CHECK
00:19:31 --> 00:19:34 FOR LIKE $900 IN BACK PAY. Everybody got
00:19:34 --> 00:19:35 those checks in back pay. You're
00:19:35 --> 00:19:37 welcome.
00:19:37 --> 00:19:39 >> [laughter]
00:19:39 --> 00:19:42 >> You welcome.
00:19:42 --> 00:19:44 Now, let's talk a little bit about AI.
00:19:44 --> 00:19:46 Now, AI
00:19:46 --> 00:19:50 is changing the industry so much. And
00:19:50 --> 00:19:52 you know, what should actors understand
00:19:52 --> 00:19:55 right now about how SAG-AFTRA is working
00:19:55 --> 00:19:57 to protect them in this new era? Cuz I
00:19:57 --> 00:19:59 mean, AI is taking over everything.
00:20:00 --> 00:20:02 >> Well, we do we are definitely promoting
00:20:02 --> 00:20:05 people to sign um the the um
00:20:05 --> 00:20:08 forgetting my word, the uh the
00:20:08 --> 00:20:09 Why did I forget my word? Cuz you in
00:20:09 --> 00:20:11 your 50s. Karen, um
00:20:11 --> 00:20:12 >> [laughter]
00:20:12 --> 00:20:14 >> to sign a petition. There we go. I was
00:20:14 --> 00:20:16 like, I know it starts with a P um about
00:20:16 --> 00:20:19 the No Fakes Act. That um and this is
00:20:19 --> 00:20:22 something that is outside of our
00:20:22 --> 00:20:24 industry, too. Like, our industry is
00:20:24 --> 00:20:25 really pushing it.
00:20:25 --> 00:20:25 >> Mhm.
00:20:25 --> 00:20:28 >> But it's for it will protect the
00:20:28 --> 00:20:31 community at large because now we see
00:20:31 --> 00:20:33 how you can just make a video of anybody
00:20:33 --> 00:20:36 and saying anything. You got videos of
00:20:36 --> 00:20:37 celebrities endorsing products that
00:20:37 --> 00:20:38 they're like, "I don't know what that
00:20:38 --> 00:20:39 product is."
00:20:39 --> 00:20:40 >> [laughter]
00:20:40 --> 00:20:42 >> I didn't say that. I didn't say that.
00:20:42 --> 00:20:43 >> I didn't say that.
00:20:43 --> 00:20:46 >> Right. Right. Urkel, did I do that? No,
00:20:46 --> 00:20:49 you know. So, it's like
00:20:49 --> 00:20:53 what we are pushing in our industry
00:20:53 --> 00:20:53 >> Mhm.
00:20:53 --> 00:20:55 >> is protection for the community at
00:20:55 --> 00:20:57 large. You know, it starts with us
00:20:57 --> 00:20:59 because people want to utilize um
00:20:59 --> 00:21:00 especially famous people. It's so much
00:21:01 --> 00:21:02 harder for them cuz their images are so
00:21:02 --> 00:21:03 widespread.
00:21:03 --> 00:21:04 >> Right.
00:21:04 --> 00:21:06 >> But um we have definitely been pushing
00:21:06 --> 00:21:09 that. Um I am not completely I don't
00:21:09 --> 00:21:11 know exactly the terminology in the new
00:21:11 --> 00:21:13 contract, but we definitely pushed for
00:21:13 --> 00:21:15 more AI protections. And that was
00:21:15 --> 00:21:18 another one of the big hold ups with why
00:21:18 --> 00:21:20 we were on strike for so long, too. It
00:21:20 --> 00:21:22 was um it was streaming residuals and it
00:21:22 --> 00:21:24 was AI.
00:21:24 --> 00:21:25 Because once you missed the boat, you've
00:21:25 --> 00:21:27 missed the boat. Like there's no putting
00:21:27 --> 00:21:30 the genie back in the bottle. Like after
00:21:30 --> 00:21:33 after you don't get control of the um
00:21:34 --> 00:21:36 the imagery. But again, we do have
00:21:36 --> 00:21:38 protections on how your
00:21:38 --> 00:21:40 how you get paid, how you can
00:21:40 --> 00:21:41 um
00:21:41 --> 00:21:44 you know, a big thing was like for a lot
00:21:44 --> 00:21:46 of the superhero movies, they would take
00:21:46 --> 00:21:49 extras and we don't background talent
00:21:49 --> 00:21:52 and we don't um cover background in
00:21:52 --> 00:21:54 Georgia and South Carolina. Um Atlanta
00:21:54 --> 00:21:56 local is over all of Georgia and South
00:21:56 --> 00:21:59 Carolina, but we don't cover background.
00:21:59 --> 00:22:01 So people are coming in in a non-union
00:22:01 --> 00:22:05 status and they're getting scanned.
00:22:05 --> 00:22:06 So their images are getting scanned and
00:22:06 --> 00:22:08 it's like they don't know. They're just
00:22:08 --> 00:22:10 showing up and they're like
00:22:10 --> 00:22:11 okay.
00:22:11 --> 00:22:13 And now they can use their image like 10
00:22:13 --> 00:22:14 years from now.
00:22:14 --> 00:22:14 >> That's crazy.
00:22:14 --> 00:22:16 >> Oh, we're doing another thing and now
00:22:16 --> 00:22:17 it's you. They can use your image any
00:22:17 --> 00:22:18 kind of way.
00:22:18 --> 00:22:19 >> Yeah.
00:22:19 --> 00:22:21 >> So we have worked for protections for
00:22:21 --> 00:22:22 that where you can't have that, you
00:22:23 --> 00:22:25 know. Um there's different things that
00:22:25 --> 00:22:28 um at large they're doing with regards
00:22:28 --> 00:22:30 to like you can't be nominated for an
00:22:30 --> 00:22:34 award and things like that um if AI is
00:22:34 --> 00:22:37 used. But again, don't quote me. Go to
00:22:37 --> 00:22:38 the website cuz you know
00:22:38 --> 00:22:39 >> [laughter]
00:22:39 --> 00:22:40 >> there's many rules. There's so many
00:22:40 --> 00:22:41 things. And people be calling me up, hit
00:22:42 --> 00:22:43 me on Instagram, hit me in text and I'm
00:22:43 --> 00:22:46 like I don't know. SAG-AFTRA Look,
00:22:46 --> 00:22:48 Atlanta.sagaftra.org,
00:22:48 --> 00:22:48 okay?
00:22:49 --> 00:22:49 >> That's right.
00:22:49 --> 00:22:51 >> I don't want you to be misquoting me.
00:22:51 --> 00:22:52 I'm not going to be getting caught
00:22:52 --> 00:22:54 saying it wrong.
00:22:54 --> 00:22:56 >> I love it. Now Atlanta, speaking of
00:22:56 --> 00:22:58 Atlanta, it continues to be one of the
00:22:58 --> 00:23:00 biggest production hubs in the country.
00:23:00 --> 00:23:03 So what opportunities would you say that
00:23:03 --> 00:23:06 excites you the most for actors that
00:23:06 --> 00:23:08 works in this market?
00:23:09 --> 00:23:12 >> What I think is great about the Atlanta
00:23:12 --> 00:23:14 market and the Georgia market, I'll say
00:23:14 --> 00:23:16 um larger,
00:23:16 --> 00:23:19 is our community. Right? Like we know
00:23:19 --> 00:23:20 each other.
00:23:20 --> 00:23:22 Um even, you know, back in the day when
00:23:22 --> 00:23:24 we were still going into auditions,
00:23:24 --> 00:23:26 going in, you know, before self-tape
00:23:26 --> 00:23:28 took over. Like we literally would be in
00:23:28 --> 00:23:31 there and be like, "Oh, I don't see your
00:23:31 --> 00:23:32 name on this call sheet and I know we
00:23:33 --> 00:23:34 audition for the same stuff. I didn't
00:23:34 --> 00:23:35 see your name. Did you get called for
00:23:35 --> 00:23:36 this?"
00:23:36 --> 00:23:38 We'd be like, "Oh, here, use my Like it
00:23:38 --> 00:23:41 was an open thing. Try to do that in LA
00:23:41 --> 00:23:42 or New York. They're going to stab your
00:23:43 --> 00:23:44 back. They're going to take your stuff,
00:23:44 --> 00:23:45 you know, whatever. Let Let me not be
00:23:45 --> 00:23:47 just my LA New York folk peeps cuz I've
00:23:48 --> 00:23:50 met some good people out there, too, but
00:23:50 --> 00:23:52 we're very community-oriented. We're
00:23:52 --> 00:23:54 very um
00:23:54 --> 00:23:56 close-knit. We've got a lot of people
00:23:56 --> 00:23:57 that a lot of people that have moved
00:23:57 --> 00:24:00 here since the pandemic. So, it's
00:24:00 --> 00:24:02 We increased our membership um
00:24:02 --> 00:24:06 substantially post-pandemic. But
00:24:06 --> 00:24:09 with the work, like we all had all of
00:24:09 --> 00:24:12 this work. Like I'd say 2018, 19, we
00:24:12 --> 00:24:14 were like up here and we were We were
00:24:14 --> 00:24:15 rocking and rolling and then the
00:24:15 --> 00:24:17 pandemic hit and it was like, "Oh,
00:24:17 --> 00:24:19 uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh."
00:24:19 --> 00:24:21 And then the strikes hit and we're like
00:24:21 --> 00:24:22 all the way down here. Now, we're coming
00:24:22 --> 00:24:24 up. Look, there's where we are right
00:24:24 --> 00:24:27 now, right? But um
00:24:27 --> 00:24:29 but just because the work, like
00:24:29 --> 00:24:31 Hollywood picked up and went overseas
00:24:31 --> 00:24:33 because they don't have to pay, you
00:24:33 --> 00:24:34 know, health care and stuff over there
00:24:34 --> 00:24:37 and they, you know, just want a cheaper
00:24:37 --> 00:24:39 product, you know, a cheaper cheaper
00:24:39 --> 00:24:41 production cost.
00:24:41 --> 00:24:43 But we're still talented. So, you have
00:24:43 --> 00:24:44 crew that worked The Walking Dead. The
00:24:44 --> 00:24:47 Walking Dead, that's that's an enormous
00:24:47 --> 00:24:49 show and it's a totally different type
00:24:49 --> 00:24:51 of training that's outside of just I'm
00:24:51 --> 00:24:53 an actor. It's just you working with
00:24:53 --> 00:24:55 props. You I mean, I had to learn how to
00:24:55 --> 00:24:57 shoot a gun. I had to learn how to throw
00:24:57 --> 00:24:59 a knife. I had to learn you know
00:24:59 --> 00:25:01 somebody was learning how to you know
00:25:01 --> 00:25:04 the archery. Like you're learning all
00:25:04 --> 00:25:05 these things for these roles. So we've
00:25:05 --> 00:25:08 got trained crew. We've got trained
00:25:08 --> 00:25:10 staff I mean trained
00:25:10 --> 00:25:13 you know actors and everything. And now
00:25:13 --> 00:25:14 we're really focused on the independent
00:25:14 --> 00:25:17 film community and empowering them to go
00:25:17 --> 00:25:21 union. Um because again if you're hiring
00:25:21 --> 00:25:23 union talent in front and behind of the
00:25:23 --> 00:25:25 camera you're going to professional.
00:25:25 --> 00:25:26 >> Yeah.
00:25:26 --> 00:25:27 >> Someone that knows what to do when
00:25:27 --> 00:25:28 they're on set. They know the
00:25:28 --> 00:25:30 terminology. They you know you can try
00:25:30 --> 00:25:33 to save this money here and there on
00:25:33 --> 00:25:34 well I'm just going to do it myself but
00:25:34 --> 00:25:36 it might take you twice as long now.
00:25:36 --> 00:25:36 >> Yeah.
00:25:36 --> 00:25:38 >> You might have missed the opportunity to
00:25:38 --> 00:25:40 get the right shot because you know no
00:25:40 --> 00:25:41 one was noticing that the boom was in
00:25:41 --> 00:25:43 the shot. Like
00:25:43 --> 00:25:44 >> Mhm.
00:25:44 --> 00:25:45 >> You got pros on set you're not worried
00:25:45 --> 00:25:47 about that.
00:25:47 --> 00:25:50 >> Now quick question so
00:25:50 --> 00:25:52 I was also I have so many questions in
00:25:52 --> 00:25:55 my head for you and it is it is crazy.
00:25:55 --> 00:25:58 But the new thing I'm I'm assuming is
00:25:58 --> 00:26:00 the whole verticals. Are you getting a
00:26:00 --> 00:26:03 lot of questions about verticals and and
00:26:03 --> 00:26:05 is there any
00:26:05 --> 00:26:07 difference in
00:26:07 --> 00:26:10 protecting the actors or you know with
00:26:11 --> 00:26:13 with vertical
00:26:13 --> 00:26:14 projects?
00:26:14 --> 00:26:15 >> Well just last year we came up with the
00:26:15 --> 00:26:17 vertical contract. So you can be
00:26:17 --> 00:26:19 protected on a vertical
00:26:19 --> 00:26:22 set as well now. Vertical is like this
00:26:22 --> 00:26:24 new beast. I'm not even going to lie.
00:26:24 --> 00:26:26 I've never even seen a vertical. Like
00:26:26 --> 00:26:29 I've never even watched
00:26:29 --> 00:26:29 >> [laughter]
00:26:29 --> 00:26:29 >> I
00:26:29 --> 00:26:32 just saw Taye Diggs. I just saw Taye
00:26:32 --> 00:26:33 Diggs had one the other day. I thought
00:26:33 --> 00:26:35 oh okay that's what this is.
00:26:35 --> 00:26:38 >> Yeah he does a lot and a lot of the
00:26:38 --> 00:26:40 production companies are coming from
00:26:40 --> 00:26:41 overseas. A lot of coming from like
00:26:41 --> 00:26:44 China and everything and shooting here.
00:26:44 --> 00:26:44 >> Mhm.
00:26:44 --> 00:26:46 >> I'll say this right like it's the new
00:26:46 --> 00:26:48 new. Everything is a new new eventually
00:26:48 --> 00:26:49 right?
00:26:49 --> 00:26:53 >> Right.
00:26:53 --> 00:26:56 >> People will take the check now.
00:26:56 --> 00:26:57 >> Yeah.
00:26:57 --> 00:26:59 >> But again, they're making so much money
00:26:59 --> 00:27:01 on the back end, and they're shooting
00:27:01 --> 00:27:03 bare bones, and they're paying you three
00:27:03 --> 00:27:05 Gs. Okay, that's great right now.
00:27:05 --> 00:27:06 >> Yeah.
00:27:06 --> 00:27:07 >> You're not getting none of that back
00:27:07 --> 00:27:09 end. You're not getting any of that on
00:27:09 --> 00:27:10 other side.
00:27:10 --> 00:27:11 >> Okay, that's a good point. Okay.
00:27:11 --> 00:27:14 >> And and that is why we want to push for
00:27:14 --> 00:27:17 it to be protected. It's still new,
00:27:17 --> 00:27:18 you know what I mean? It's still very
00:27:18 --> 00:27:19 new. I don't even know if it's a year
00:27:19 --> 00:27:21 old yet, the um the vertical contract.
00:27:22 --> 00:27:24 But it's there, and it's worth looking
00:27:24 --> 00:27:25 into.
00:27:25 --> 00:27:26 >> Yeah.
00:27:26 --> 00:27:28 >> Um it's worth
00:27:28 --> 00:27:30 doing this. And now, I'll say the the
00:27:30 --> 00:27:32 the other upside
00:27:32 --> 00:27:32 >> Mhm.
00:27:32 --> 00:27:35 >> for producers and filmmakers
00:27:35 --> 00:27:36 of this,
00:27:36 --> 00:27:39 you know, the the slow down in the
00:27:39 --> 00:27:41 industry is you can get bigger actors
00:27:41 --> 00:27:44 now to work for less money.
00:27:44 --> 00:27:44 >> Mhm.
00:27:44 --> 00:27:46 >> Not that I'm trying to downgrade the the
00:27:46 --> 00:27:47 check.
00:27:47 --> 00:27:48 >> Right, right.
00:27:48 --> 00:27:49 >> But a lot of people want to work. I've
00:27:49 --> 00:27:51 done a couple things where I mean, five
00:27:51 --> 00:27:53 years ago, I'd be like, "No, I'm good.
00:27:53 --> 00:27:55 No, I can't do that." Or "Oh,
00:27:55 --> 00:27:56 >> You'd be like, "Now, let me see that
00:27:56 --> 00:27:57 contract again."
00:27:57 --> 00:27:58 >> Now I'm like, "Ooh,
00:27:58 --> 00:28:00 that's the power. Look, I can make a
00:28:00 --> 00:28:01 power bill with this, you know what I
00:28:01 --> 00:28:01 mean?" So,
00:28:01 --> 00:28:04 >> That's right.
00:28:04 --> 00:28:06 >> And you can work out something a little
00:28:06 --> 00:28:08 bit better. Maybe um somebody can come
00:28:09 --> 00:28:11 on um as a co-producer or something like
00:28:11 --> 00:28:14 that, you know? It's um
00:28:14 --> 00:28:16 uh a lot of actors want to direct. You
00:28:16 --> 00:28:18 could probably get somebody to direct
00:28:18 --> 00:28:19 that wants to act on it.
00:28:19 --> 00:28:20 >> Yeah.
00:28:20 --> 00:28:22 >> that So, there's a lot of other things,
00:28:22 --> 00:28:24 and that will help you get your film
00:28:24 --> 00:28:26 funded, get your project funded by
00:28:26 --> 00:28:29 having rec- you know, name recognized uh
00:28:29 --> 00:28:30 talent.
00:28:30 --> 00:28:31 >> Right, right.
00:28:31 --> 00:28:33 >> And um people are more It's not even
00:28:33 --> 00:28:34 just the I got to make money, it's I
00:28:34 --> 00:28:36 want to work. Actors act.
00:28:36 --> 00:28:36 >> Yeah.
00:28:37 --> 00:28:40 >> And we want to act. So, sometimes if the
00:28:40 --> 00:28:41 script is good. Now, I'm not just
00:28:41 --> 00:28:42 working on anything.
00:28:42 --> 00:28:43 >> Right.
00:28:43 --> 00:28:44 >> But if the script is good, it's like,
00:28:44 --> 00:28:47 "Okay, I'll do that for less money."
00:28:47 --> 00:28:47 >> Mhm.
00:28:47 --> 00:28:49 >> You know, you got to pay me on time
00:28:49 --> 00:28:51 though. Like, you know WHAT I MEAN?
00:28:51 --> 00:28:54 >> [laughter]
00:28:54 --> 00:28:57 >> NOW, IF IF there's a question that
00:28:57 --> 00:29:02 What's the question that you think that
00:29:02 --> 00:29:04 or that you would I guess expect an
00:29:05 --> 00:29:07 actor to ask you, but they have never
00:29:07 --> 00:29:10 asked you before?
00:29:10 --> 00:29:12 >> I have no idea.
00:29:12 --> 00:29:13 Um
00:29:13 --> 00:29:15 I know what people ask me all the time.
00:29:15 --> 00:29:17 >> What is that in the
00:29:17 --> 00:29:19 >> You know, I think people who are
00:29:19 --> 00:29:20 starting off
00:29:20 --> 00:29:22 >> Mhm.
00:29:22 --> 00:29:24 >> really think one that we make a lot of
00:29:24 --> 00:29:25 money.
00:29:25 --> 00:29:26 Right?
00:29:26 --> 00:29:26 >> Mhm.
00:29:26 --> 00:29:28 >> Two,
00:29:28 --> 00:29:30 that
00:29:30 --> 00:29:32 knowing me has any control over what
00:29:32 --> 00:29:34 kind of work you get.
00:29:34 --> 00:29:34 >> Mhm.
00:29:34 --> 00:29:36 >> Like, people want to talk to me and I'm
00:29:36 --> 00:29:38 like, I'm not in casting. And I mean,
00:29:38 --> 00:29:40 I'm friends with people that are casting
00:29:40 --> 00:29:41 directors. That doesn't mean I'm going
00:29:41 --> 00:29:42 to get cast in a role. You got to be
00:29:42 --> 00:29:43 right for the role.
00:29:43 --> 00:29:43 >> Right.
00:29:43 --> 00:29:45 >> Period.
00:29:45 --> 00:29:47 >> But, I would imagine that's because of
00:29:47 --> 00:29:50 your personality. You have such a like a
00:29:50 --> 00:29:52 a um
00:29:52 --> 00:29:56 a fun like yeah, I can I can talk with
00:29:56 --> 00:29:58 you very relatable. So, they probably
00:29:58 --> 00:29:59 thinking, you know, we're friends now,
00:29:59 --> 00:30:01 so we can you can help me do this. Do
00:30:01 --> 00:30:03 you get that a lot?
00:30:03 --> 00:30:05 >> I mean, okay. So, I talk to to students
00:30:05 --> 00:30:06 a lot.
00:30:06 --> 00:30:07 >> Okay.
00:30:07 --> 00:30:08 >> And those are the ones I really got to
00:30:08 --> 00:30:10 try to check, right?
00:30:10 --> 00:30:11 >> Okay.
00:30:11 --> 00:30:13 >> The feeling is, well, I'm a really good
00:30:13 --> 00:30:16 actor, so I should be able to do this.
00:30:16 --> 00:30:17 And it's just like, being a good actor
00:30:17 --> 00:30:19 is like third or fourth on the list of
00:30:19 --> 00:30:20 what gets you cast, sweetie.
00:30:21 --> 00:30:22 Like, that's like that's low on the
00:30:22 --> 00:30:24 list. I mean, not low. I mean, of course
00:30:24 --> 00:30:25 you still got to be a good actor, but
00:30:26 --> 00:30:26 >> Right.
00:30:26 --> 00:30:28 >> in my category, they're all my friends,
00:30:28 --> 00:30:31 and they're all really talented.
00:30:31 --> 00:30:31 >> Mhm.
00:30:31 --> 00:30:34 >> Theater and and doing stuff and teaching
00:30:34 --> 00:30:36 and people that I look to as mentors who
00:30:36 --> 00:30:39 are my friends. And and I mean,
00:30:39 --> 00:30:41 we're all good actors.
00:30:41 --> 00:30:42 >> Yeah.
00:30:42 --> 00:30:44 >> So, being a good actor is not what's
00:30:44 --> 00:30:46 going to put you on necessarily. It's
00:30:46 --> 00:30:48 your hustle and being around and having
00:30:48 --> 00:30:51 people know you. It's doing other work
00:30:51 --> 00:30:54 creating your own work, so you're still
00:30:54 --> 00:30:55 working.
00:30:55 --> 00:30:58 And it's making sure your materials are
00:30:58 --> 00:30:59 professional. You got a professional
00:30:59 --> 00:31:02 headshot. You got several headshots. I
00:31:02 --> 00:31:04 am the queen of wigs, weaves, and what
00:31:04 --> 00:31:07 not. So, I can switch my look up.
00:31:07 --> 00:31:07 >> [laughter]
00:31:07 --> 00:31:09 >> I mean, people that'll see me in
00:31:09 --> 00:31:11 different things like you wouldn't even
00:31:11 --> 00:31:13 know it was me depending on how I do my
00:31:13 --> 00:31:15 face, how what kind of wig I have on,
00:31:15 --> 00:31:17 what and that gives me so much more
00:31:17 --> 00:31:20 range. I've gotten salt and pepper wigs
00:31:20 --> 00:31:22 if I'm playing 60 or something like
00:31:22 --> 00:31:23 that, you know?
00:31:23 --> 00:31:23 >> Yeah.
00:31:23 --> 00:31:26 >> So, it's really
00:31:26 --> 00:31:29 you've got to make sure that your kit is
00:31:29 --> 00:31:32 professional. That you communicate with
00:31:32 --> 00:31:34 This is another thing.
00:31:34 --> 00:31:35 Just because social media is social
00:31:35 --> 00:31:37 don't mean that it we're friends. So,
00:31:37 --> 00:31:38 I'll have people that'll hit me up and
00:31:38 --> 00:31:42 be like, "Yeah, so what's up?"
00:31:42 --> 00:31:44 >> You're like, "What what what's up with
00:31:44 --> 00:31:45 you?"
00:31:45 --> 00:31:47 >> I don't I don't know you like that.
00:31:47 --> 00:31:48 >> Right. Right.
00:31:48 --> 00:31:51 >> People be be be cold calling cold
00:31:51 --> 00:31:52 sending things be like, "Yeah, so I
00:31:52 --> 00:31:54 think we need to work together. You
00:31:54 --> 00:31:56 know, you got to be like
00:31:56 --> 00:31:58 This is not how you sell yourself, boo.
00:31:58 --> 00:32:00 Like this [laughter] is not
00:32:00 --> 00:32:02 >> Oh my god.
00:32:02 --> 00:32:03 >> I don't even know who you are. You
00:32:03 --> 00:32:04 haven't even introduced yourself
00:32:04 --> 00:32:06 properly. You haven't even
00:32:06 --> 00:32:08 You know, it's it's
00:32:08 --> 00:32:10 it's the
00:32:10 --> 00:32:12 I think we're at that that era of
00:32:12 --> 00:32:15 everything has gotten too little relaxed
00:32:15 --> 00:32:18 and common and people still need to be
00:32:18 --> 00:32:20 professional and use full sentences with
00:32:20 --> 00:32:23 punctuation and proper spelling and you
00:32:23 --> 00:32:24 know what I mean? Like things like that.
00:32:24 --> 00:32:27 Especially if you're hitting up somebody
00:32:27 --> 00:32:28 especially if you're hitting up I mean,
00:32:28 --> 00:32:30 I don't get caught up in the title, but
00:32:30 --> 00:32:32 I'm the president of the SAG-AFTRA. You
00:32:32 --> 00:32:33 can't just be emailing
00:32:33 --> 00:32:34 >> Right. You can't just
00:32:34 --> 00:32:35 be talking about what's up.
00:32:35 --> 00:32:37 >> [laughter]
00:32:37 --> 00:32:40 >> Hey, yeah. What's up? Yeah, yo. What?
00:32:40 --> 00:32:41 >> Oh my gosh.
00:32:41 --> 00:32:42 >> Really?
00:32:42 --> 00:32:44 >> I can't believe that you're getting
00:32:44 --> 00:32:46 texts and emails like that. So, that
00:32:46 --> 00:32:49 that is hilarious to me.
00:32:49 --> 00:32:50 Oh my gosh.
00:32:50 --> 00:32:53 >> BELIEVE IT AND YET
00:32:53 --> 00:32:56 >> [laughter]
00:32:56 --> 00:32:59 >> OH my gosh. So, okay. So, we're going to
00:32:59 --> 00:33:00 go ahead and move on. Now, this is a
00:33:00 --> 00:33:02 part of the interview that I absolutely
00:33:02 --> 00:33:05 love because I believe that when people
00:33:05 --> 00:33:08 get to know just a little bit about you,
00:33:08 --> 00:33:09 a little bit more about you, they tend
00:33:09 --> 00:33:12 to trust you more. That's just how I how
00:33:12 --> 00:33:13 I roll.
00:33:13 --> 00:33:14 So, we're going to play a little bit of
00:33:14 --> 00:33:16 rapid fire.
00:33:16 --> 00:33:17 >> Uh-uh.
00:33:17 --> 00:33:18 >> [laughter]
00:33:18 --> 00:33:20 >> I got brain fog. I'll be like,
00:33:20 --> 00:33:21 "What's that word? What's that word? It
00:33:21 --> 00:33:24 starts with an F." Uh
00:33:24 --> 00:33:26 >> So, you know, just quick answers. Quick
00:33:26 --> 00:33:27 answers and we're going to go through
00:33:27 --> 00:33:28 it, okay? You ready?
00:33:28 --> 00:33:29 >> All right.
00:33:29 --> 00:33:33 >> All right. Craft services or catering?
00:33:33 --> 00:33:34 >> Both.
00:33:34 --> 00:33:36 >> [laughter]
00:33:36 --> 00:33:38 >> How many alarms
00:33:38 --> 00:33:40 How many alarms do you set for an early
00:33:40 --> 00:33:41 call time?
00:33:41 --> 00:33:43 >> One.
00:33:43 --> 00:33:45 >> Which disappears first on set, the
00:33:45 --> 00:33:47 coffee or the snacks?
00:33:47 --> 00:33:48 >> Snacks.
00:33:49 --> 00:33:51 >> What's one word that describes a 5:00
00:33:51 --> 00:33:53 a.m. call time?
00:33:53 --> 00:33:55 >> Early.
00:33:55 --> 00:33:55 >> [laughter]
00:33:55 --> 00:33:58 >> But I'm up early though, so I can handle
00:33:58 --> 00:33:59 it like whatever. I used to have TO BE
00:33:59 --> 00:34:01 ON SET AT LIKE 3:30 in the morning like
00:34:01 --> 00:34:01 for Walking Dead.
00:34:01 --> 00:34:02 >> Oh lord. Okay.
00:34:02 --> 00:34:03 >> [laughter]
00:34:03 --> 00:34:05 >> In the boonies like 45 minutes away,
00:34:05 --> 00:34:07 too. So, it's like
00:34:07 --> 00:34:09 >> Oh my gosh. Okay, so which is harder,
00:34:10 --> 00:34:13 crying on cue or not laughing during a
00:34:13 --> 00:34:14 serious scene?
00:34:14 --> 00:34:16 >> Crying on cue.
00:34:16 --> 00:34:18 >> If your trailer had a name, what would
00:34:18 --> 00:34:20 it be?
00:34:20 --> 00:34:22 >> See, I still be in the honey wagon half
00:34:22 --> 00:34:25 the time.
00:34:25 --> 00:34:28 I don't know. Karen's Castle?
00:34:28 --> 00:34:28 >> [laughter]
00:34:28 --> 00:34:30 >> The Lion's Den. I'm a Leo, so everything
00:34:30 --> 00:34:32 I do is lion's out, right?
00:34:32 --> 00:34:34 >> Okay. What's more dangerous,
00:34:34 --> 00:34:37 >> spoilers or social media?
00:34:37 --> 00:34:39 >> Spoilers.
00:34:39 --> 00:34:40 >> What's one thing
00:34:40 --> 00:34:41 >> get sued on a spoiler.
00:34:41 --> 00:34:42 >> Oh, yes, you can.
00:34:42 --> 00:34:44 >> [laughter]
00:34:44 --> 00:34:46 >> Okay, what's one thing every actor
00:34:46 --> 00:34:52 secretly carries in their bag?
00:34:52 --> 00:34:53 >> I don't know. It's different for
00:34:53 --> 00:34:55 everybody. Um
00:34:55 --> 00:34:56 I know for me, I'm always blowing my
00:34:56 --> 00:34:58 nose. If you see it already, so I always
00:34:58 --> 00:35:01 have 10 tissues on me.
00:35:01 --> 00:35:02 >> [laughter]
00:35:02 --> 00:35:05 >> If Zac Efron had a mascot, what do you
00:35:05 --> 00:35:07 think it would be?
00:35:07 --> 00:35:08 >> Well, I'm just going to go with the
00:35:08 --> 00:35:10 lion, cuz we are lions.
00:35:10 --> 00:35:11 >> [laughter]
00:35:11 --> 00:35:12 >> OR, YOU KNOW WHAT? MAYBE A DOG, CUZ WE
00:35:12 --> 00:35:14 LOYAL. WE'LL FIGHT for you and we're
00:35:14 --> 00:35:15 loyal. Yeah.
00:35:15 --> 00:35:18 >> That's right. Okay, finish the sentence.
00:35:18 --> 00:35:24 Every actor should own at least one.
00:35:24 --> 00:35:26 >> Wig.
00:35:26 --> 00:35:29 >> [laughter]
00:35:29 --> 00:35:33 >> Okay, what's your superpower on set?
00:35:33 --> 00:35:35 >> Um
00:35:35 --> 00:35:36 I'm
00:35:36 --> 00:35:38 great at improv.
00:35:38 --> 00:35:38 >> Awesome.
00:35:38 --> 00:35:40 >> I can improv, yeah.
00:35:40 --> 00:35:42 >> What's your guilty pleasure after a long
00:35:42 --> 00:35:44 shoot?
00:35:44 --> 00:35:47 >> Um taking craft services.
00:35:47 --> 00:35:49 >> [laughter]
00:35:49 --> 00:35:50 >> Okay,
00:35:50 --> 00:35:52 this is just a couple more. What's one
00:35:52 --> 00:35:55 word that would describe Karen Ceesay?
00:35:55 --> 00:35:58 >> Boisterous.
00:35:58 --> 00:36:00 >> Okay, last personal question, because I
00:36:00 --> 00:36:03 hear you from Philly. Cheesesteak or
00:36:03 --> 00:36:04 hoagie?
00:36:04 --> 00:36:06 >> Look, I'm like
00:36:06 --> 00:36:08 That's what I'm going to give to my my
00:36:08 --> 00:36:13 my Philly girl. Um
00:36:13 --> 00:36:15 To me, it's like they're the same.
00:36:15 --> 00:36:17 They're like cousins. They're twins. You
00:36:17 --> 00:36:19 know what I mean? For turn up time.
00:36:19 --> 00:36:21 >> You got to have a Okay, what's Okay, how
00:36:21 --> 00:36:24 about Geno's or Pat's?
00:36:24 --> 00:36:26 >> See, and this is the thing. I grew up in
00:36:26 --> 00:36:28 Mount Airy, Germantown. So I went to
00:36:28 --> 00:36:29 Pagano's. Like that was my cheesesteak
00:36:30 --> 00:36:33 spot. They're still there on Ogontz Ave.
00:36:33 --> 00:36:34 Pagano's.
00:36:34 --> 00:36:36 >> [laughter]
00:36:36 --> 00:36:38 >> I love it. I love it. All right, Karen.
00:36:38 --> 00:36:40 Thank you so much for being here today.
00:36:40 --> 00:36:43 Congratulations again on your new role
00:36:43 --> 00:36:46 as president SAG-AFTRA Atlanta. Thank
00:36:46 --> 00:36:47 you for sharing your knowledge and
00:36:47 --> 00:36:49 helping educate actors. I know our
00:36:49 --> 00:36:52 audience learned a lot from our
00:36:52 --> 00:36:55 conversation and a lot about you. And
00:36:55 --> 00:36:56 listen, I want to thank you for
00:36:56 --> 00:36:58 watching. Is there anyone, Karen, that
00:36:58 --> 00:37:00 you want to shout out to or just say
00:37:00 --> 00:37:02 hello to real quick?
00:37:02 --> 00:37:03 >> I mean, since I'm here in an in an
00:37:03 --> 00:37:05 official unofficial capacity, really
00:37:05 --> 00:37:07 shout out to the staff
00:37:07 --> 00:37:09 at SAG-AFTRA because even though we're
00:37:09 --> 00:37:11 right-to-work state, if you're on a
00:37:11 --> 00:37:15 SAG-AFTRA project and you are non-union,
00:37:15 --> 00:37:16 they still work for you, too. And they
00:37:17 --> 00:37:19 can still fight for you as well.
00:37:19 --> 00:37:21 They are who's consistent through the
00:37:21 --> 00:37:23 changes of the board and the
00:37:23 --> 00:37:25 you know, committees and everything. So
00:37:25 --> 00:37:27 definite shoutout to the staff, our
00:37:27 --> 00:37:30 executive director Allison Wise, our
00:37:30 --> 00:37:32 immediately former director executive
00:37:32 --> 00:37:36 director Melissa um Donner who
00:37:36 --> 00:37:38 who was executive director for like 39
00:37:38 --> 00:37:40 years. So um
00:37:40 --> 00:37:41 you know, that's who I would want to
00:37:41 --> 00:37:43 shout out shout out right now.
00:37:43 --> 00:37:45 >> Awesome. Okay, everybody. We want to
00:37:45 --> 00:37:48 thank Karen C Say once again for joining
00:37:48 --> 00:37:50 us today. Hope she'll come back at
00:37:50 --> 00:37:51 another time and maybe we'll have some
00:37:51 --> 00:37:54 actual questions from the audience.
00:37:54 --> 00:37:56 Maybe we can feed her that. But thank
00:37:56 --> 00:37:59 you again and this is Demetria Avery
00:37:59 --> 00:38:00 with The Demetria Avery Show, The
00:38:00 --> 00:38:02 Industry. We'll talk to you soon. Thank
00:38:02 --> 00:40:19 you.
00:40:19 --> 00:42:14 >> Mhm.
00:44:50 --> 00:44:52